Senator Kyrsten Sinema Abandons the Democratic Party, Now an Independent

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In an Op-Ed article for Arizona Central Sen. Kyrsten Sinema explains: Why I’m registering as an independent

Everyday Americans are increasingly left behind by national parties’ rigid partisanship, which has hardened in recent years. Pressures in both parties pull leaders to the edges, allowing the loudest, most extreme voices to determine their respective parties’ priorities and expecting the rest of us to fall in line. 

In catering to the fringes, neither party has demonstrated much tolerance for diversity of thought. Bipartisan compromise is seen as a rarely acceptable last resort, rather than the best way to achieve lasting progress. Payback against the opposition party has replaced thoughtful legislating. 

Arizonans – including many registered as Democrats or Republicans – are eager for leaders who focus on common-sense solutions rather than party doctrine.

But if the loudest, most extreme voices continue to drive each party toward the fringes – and if party leaders stay more focused on energizing their bases than delivering for all Americans – these kinds of lasting legislative successes will become rarer.

When politicians are more focused on denying the opposition party a victory than they are on improving Americans’ lives, the people who lose are everyday Americans.  That’s why I have joined the growing numbers of Arizonans who reject party politics by declaring my independence from the broken partisan system in Washington.


Kyrsten Sinema an Independent for Arizona

Who Will Sinema Caucus With?

There were already two independent senators in the Senate, Angus King in Maine and Bernie Sanders in Vermont.  Both caucus with the Democrats.

If Sinema chooses to caucus with Democrats then the Democrats will retain their 51-49 edge. If not, it’s back to 50-50.

The Wall Street Journal reports Kyrsten Sinema Switches to Independent, Complicates Democratic Control of Senate

“I have joined the growing numbers of Arizonans who reject party politics by declaring my independence from the broken partisan system in Washington,” she wrote in an opinion article in the Arizona Republic

In an interview with CNN, she said questions about whether the Democrats’ majority would remain at 51-49 or effectively become 50-49 was “kind of a D.C. thing to worry about.”

Earlier this year, her relationship with state Democrats dissolved so completely that there were few Democrats she spoke to in the state, according to several Arizona Democrats. In one notorious incident in October 2021, activists followed Ms. Sinema into a bathroom to protest her efforts to pare back Mr. Biden’s spending agenda.

One Down, One to Go 

It makes no sense for Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia to caucus with Democrats. Manchin has little in common with them. 

Democrats screwed Manchin over royally on energy policy, reneging on promises made to him to for his vote on the ridiculously-named Inflation Reduction Act.

He declined to comment following Sinema’s announcement on Friday. 

If Manchin and Sinema switched to independents caucusing with Republicans then Democrats would lose control of the Senate as well.

Irony of the Day 

Progressives activists hounded Sinema out of the party. 

This is very much like Trump hounding out anyone who would not suck up to his preposterous Stop the Steal nonsense.

Trump cost Republicans the Senate. It would be beautifully ironic if Progressives returned the favor. 

Inflation Reduction Act

For more on the IRA please see The EU is Very Worried About Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act (IRA)

Also see Biden’s Climate Change War Picks Up Steam In More Ways Than One

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wmjack50
wmjack50
1 year ago
All problems the average self supporting American Citizen suffers from originates with the Federal Administrative State three million strong in hundreds of DC agencies. These civil service protected 95% democrat party members of the STATE is the fourth branch of government. The Senate control is only needed to send the State it’s parasitic feast of tax money to carry on it’s life style of power and control much like the CCP in China. Trump was attacking this beast and had to be destroyed. The voter registration system is full of fraud and is where the vote is now control.
lil_neezy
lil_neezy
1 year ago
“If not it’s back to 50-50”
No. It’s to 50-49. Your assumption she’ll caucus with republicans is unfounded. Quite possible she’ll caucus with no one, thus a 50-49 senate with dems in majority.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  lil_neezy
At least for now, and I think for the next 2 years, she will call herself an independent and vote with the Democrats.
rktbrkr
rktbrkr
1 year ago
She started in politics with green party so she’s on a journey. Wiki says shes divorced and bisexual so she’s used to switching. Caucusing with GOP takes her out of comm assigns.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  rktbrkr
Actually, if she were to bring Manchin over, and they both switched parties, she’d keep her committee positions. So would he. In the end, I think they’re both phonies.
Avery
Avery
1 year ago
What a surprise! Not.
Always struck me as the pole dancer type.
Jackula
Jackula
1 year ago
Wow the comments on this post are quite entertaining! Personally I think a few more independent politicians would be a good thing if it helped get the people’s work done, we’ve got a lot of problems needing attention
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
For those interested:
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Kyrsten Sinema and the Politics of Narcissism
Dec. 9, 2022, 7:06 p.m. ET
By Michelle Goldberg
In the self-congratulatory video that Senator Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona made to announce that she was leaving the Democratic Party and becoming an independent, she didn’t mention any disagreements with her former caucus about issues. Instead, she framed the move as a step toward self-actualization. “Registering as an independent, and showing up to work with the title of independent, is a reflection of who I’ve always been,” she said.
It’s true: This is who she’s always been. The content of Sinema’s politics has changed over time, from Green Party progressivism to pro-corporate centrism. Her approach to elected office as a vehicle for the refinement of the self has not.
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Galfer1
Galfer1
1 year ago

Ladies & Gents, the level of
vitriol in some of our posts is, well, not particularly helpful. We gotta
remember that we’re all inhabitants of this infinitesimally small orb (HOW many
planets in our solar system? How many solar systems?). NO one is right 100% of the time.

As valuable as Mish’s posts are, there’s true gold in the comments, too. Pocket your ego for now; there are many
well-educated (and occasionally brilliant) voices contributing. For my
money, it’s intelligent discourse that moves us all forward, not angry
evaluations of opposing viewpoints. How can we work together to make this a
world which will support and enliven future generations?

JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Galfer1
I’m as much of a Student Council president as anyone (“be constructive”), but there are times when a verbal punch in the gut is exactly what’s called for. There are lots of worthy songs on life’s play list, not just Kumbaya. There is a long world history of productive and intelligent anger, ridicule, and sarcasm.
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
I turn to the Internet for entertainment, not intellectual stimulation and… “Kumbaya”
More gut punches please
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Cynically, symbolically separating oneself from a party about to be exposed as the party of corruption would be a logical step.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I’m with Mark Twain: “There is no distinctly American native criminal class, except Congress.” True in the 1800s, just as true now. Both parties.
CRZYHUN
CRZYHUN
1 year ago
She is an independent liberal = democrat in action.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
I have finally had enough of Speculato and his TDS Type II, Trump Cult Syndrome
He will be gone shortly
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
About time. I endorse this move.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
I’m not sure, sometime “he” has interesting things to say.
But limiting the rants to 25 words or less would be really nice.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
“he” can’t seem to say things without hurling insults at people. He was on my ignore list for a long time.
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
holy crap, I didn’t realize there was “ignore” functionality here!
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  ajc1970
ok, given that, there’s not much reason to ban anybody
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Sorry to see that. I’ve got a few people on the “ignore” list, one being Zardoz. If the knee’s jerking, it leads to my ignore list. I don’t regard Speculato that way, but I can’t say that I look all that closely.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
I have an ignore approach to commenters who are known entities to me. As a result, I read maybe 50% of comments.
Maybe there need to be a rule: evebody can state their counterpoint, but put in a non-personal manner.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
I wish Mish would post a link to the Community Rules on his posts periodically or always. I would also update these rules to state no personal attacks. I like the rules over at Wolfstreet…
  • No content that promotes violence or physical harm against others
  • No threats or sexual harassment
  • No racial or ethnic slurs
  • No derogatory racial or ethnic comments
  • No sharing of anyone’s private information without explicit permission
  • No pornographic content
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
So when a person attacks an elderly woman at a subway station, for example, pushing her down the stairs and beating her with a baseball bat, and if I advocated public castration as an effective treatment for ‘wild animals’, that would be banned on six out of the six guidelines?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I think a better way to handle it is to give me a round-trip first-class ticket, a nice hotel suite, meals in the best restaurant within 50 miles along with a car and driver to take me there, and $50 an hour from door-to-door. In return, I will bring the rifle of my choice, and the ammunition of my choice, and act as the one-man firing squad. LOL
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Depends.
I can think of a few elderly women in the House who have disparaged cops and strict enforcement of laws enough that I’d give the wild animals a pass
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  ajc1970
I am not them. Far, far from it. I am on the victim’s side. If I want the criminal to go slow, I’ll bring my lever rifle in .17HMR and 100 rounds. If I’m on the fence, maybe my AR-15 in 5.56 NATO and a couple 30-round mags. If I feel liberal, I’ll borrow my friend’s AR-10 in 7.62×51 so he goes fast. Maybe all three, and see what his attitude is. I am an American gunner. No apologies, no excuses. They who don’t like it can move to Europe, or California.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
This will be completely ineffective without the Clint Eastwood sneer and a John Wayne gait.
You…feelin’ lucky, punk?
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Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  ajc1970
Failure to perform one’s Constitutional Duty should have a more severe penalty: guillotining on The Mall would be appropriate, and send the right message.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
If said elderly woman had her handy AR-15 with her, as any upstanding American citizen should, according to Wayne Lapierre, she’d simply pull it out while tumbling down those stairs and pick off said attacker without hitting anyone else in said subway station.
This is just common sense, this elderly woman has chosen to be a victim by not purchasing a quality firearm from a trusted NRA contributor.
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Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
The vast majority of the population have already been effectively emasculated by modern society. Personally, I blame Mr. Rogers.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab

WHAT?

Avery
Avery
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The younger generation should view the first Death Wish movie as a documentary. Charles Bronson played a real person based upon real events in New York City at the time, ~ 50 years ago.
The ironic part is at the end of the movie the NYC politicians run that character out of town. The next / last scene is he arrived at Chicago Union Station.
The real Chicago is still waiting. See CWBChicago and Heyjackass sites for more info.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
I actually think there are some posters here who deserve ridicule, 8dots being a great example. I love it when he gets drunk and incoherent and posts here. LOL
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
I actually thought 8dot might be a college AI experiment at one point, often random but verbally relevant in the wording, his posts often are garbled.
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Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
8dots is a bot. Twenty years late and still somewhat lagging after HAL 9000 from Space Odyssey, but it is getting there.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
I hope not. This isn’t because of its “content,” but because it has fooled me into thinking there’s a person there. Maybe it’s A.I., huh?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
You either have free speech, or you don’t.
As Twitter is now discovering, limited free speech sends messages, limits thinking, and eliminates opinions, far more destructive to free speech than those opinions that are limited initially. The result might be an echo chamber.
As I wrote the above, I was asking myself why do I come to Mish Talk? In my experience, there has never been a period that has been so unpredictable, and dangerous (in social and economic terms). I joke about this being the end of the Age of Pisces and the beginning of the Age of Aquarius. If the impact will be that far-reaching, the last thing I want is an echo chamber.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The Limitless Constitution
Fire in the theater.
Guy at the gun counter, twitching and angrily mumbling to himself, asks where the nearest elementary school is, then requests an AR-15 with extra mags & 1000 rounds.
Local newspaper journalist, happens to be your neighbor who’s angry about your fence being an inch into his property, writes a story making hideous claims about you in … in a pizza restaurant cellar, no less..
While I do agree on your concerns about Twitter & the 1rst amendment, but when 1,000 fake accounts operated by Wagner group are successfully convincing Americans to harm each other, well, you tell me about “limitless”.
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Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
So you would censor anyone with disruptive opinions? Got it.
What if someone uses offensive language? “… swearing isn’t simply a sign of language poverty, lack of general
vocabulary, or low intelligence. Instead, swearing appears to be a
feature of language that an articulate speaker can use in order to
communicate with maximum effectiveness…” link to medicalxpress.com
Like all rights, freedom of speech comes with responsibility. US Supreme Court decisions and Common Law establish reasonable and legitimate limits while encouraging discourse.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
“So you would censor anyone with disruptive opinions?”
Russians, posing as Americans, encouraging Americans to harm each other, or join a planned attack on the Capitol, yes, censor.
“…swearing isn’t simply a sign of language poverty, …”
Not sure where this topic arrives from, or why, I swear, a lot, just not here out of respect for decorum – it’s Mish’s house, I respect his rules.
“Like all rights, freedom of speech comes with responsibility. US Supreme Court decisions and Common Law establish reasonable and legitimate limits while encouraging discourse.”
So, you’re saying offering a tutorial on how to build and plant a dirty bomb at strategic government and infrastructure locations is censorable? …Not covered by the 1rst amendment?
What about sales of Stingers for personal protection? …Or, would turning away the mumbling guy buying an AR15 while asking for the nearest school location violate his 2nd amendment?
Does Twitter have a right to stop conspiracy theories spawned for foreign disinformation campaigns that intend to harm Americans or instigate seditious conspiracy or armed conflict?
By muting foreign disinformation, is Twitter engaging in election interference? Perhaps depriving non-American’s of the 1rst amendment rights?
.
I get where you’re coming from on free speech, scares me too that private entities are starting to cross this line, but it’s become obvious that without guardrails cars will go off the cliff.
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JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I could have two middle names — actually, two phrases: “Road Trip” or “Free Speech.” That said, this isn’t Twitter or Facebook. It’s a small list of regulars, so I’m okay with Mish making that call if he wants to, and even if I disagree with it. Blogs like this one are ships on the ocean. Captain’s rules. I don’t think Speculato merits exclusion, but I’m not ranting or raving either.
ajc1970
ajc1970
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
I can live without any specific fool but please don’t ban them all. In aggregate, they’re generating the most humorous commentary.
This reminds me of the bank bailouts, in reverse.
Yes, we need banks. But we don’t need any specific bank. Let them fail.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
i lived in her state house district for years. she has always been very independent. but she’ll be like bernie and king and stay with Ds. this is just pablum as she has ruben gallego us rep who will challenge her next primary season. smart politician Sinema. keeps the money flowing to her as long as she caucus with Ds.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
She can call herself anything she wants, but what actually matters is who she caucuses with. There are two other “independent” senators, Sanders of VT and King of ME, but they are Ds because that’s who they caucus and vote with. I looked elsewhere and saw that Schumer’s not kicking her off any committees, so for now I presume that she’s a Democrat and that she’s calling herself “independent” because that works in Arizona.
Now, if she caucused with the Republicans and brought Manchin with her, that would matter. But for now, this does not appear to be in the cards. Bottom line: Purely p.r., no actual content. I suppose someone could call it a precursor of things to come, but I’d be heavily skeptical. Unless she caucuses with the Republicans, this is a nothingburger.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
“Bottom line: Purely p.r., no actual content.”
Content may matter if Democrats seek to bust the filibuster or do certain other untoward things. Considering that Kelly got re-elected as a Democrat, i don’t know why she would need to become an independent, “because that works in Arizona.”
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
Arizona has a history of electing fence sitters. Absent her caucusing with the Republicans, I view her declaration as positioning for her next Senate race. If she’d remained a Dem, I don’t think she’d be re-elected, so I see this as something of a Hail Mary pass + a shot across the bow to the institutional Democratic Party: “better support me, or else.” A move for political insider leverage, but nothing that I expect to matter.

By the way, if the Dems end the filibuster it’ll be the mother of all self-defeating moves. We shall see just how stupid they wind up being. You never know, but I’d be surprised.

worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
The question is will we see more Congressmen from both parties do this? It would be nice to see about 50 split off and form the beginnings of a 3rd party.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
The system is very much geared to parties, because they control committee assignments and the legislative calendar. The U.S. has had more than 2 parties at times, but the third and fourth parties have never dominated or lasted long. The closest to an exception was the Progressives of the late 1800s and early 20th Century, but they were always a minority. Influential in both parties, but the influence was never actual control, and was short-lived.

I will be surprised if this is anything but Sinema- and Arizona-specific. If she caucused with the Republicans I’d change my mind, and I’d really change my mind if she brought Manchin with her. Given how the Dems have treated both of them, especially Manchin, I think they ought to switch parties. It would be a great middle finger to the small-p “progressives” who have been running the Democrats into their woke ditch. But I’m not seeing it right now, given what Schumer and some other higher-ups have been saying.

The media have always been a bunch of amateur political scientists at the expense of actual news, so they’re in high thumb-sucking mode over this. I’m not buying it unless she switches parties, and especially if Manchin also does it. That would be a big deal, but I really don’t expect it.

vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
MAGA party in 3,2,1 if the Donald is not the R candidate. gonna be a wonderful next 2 years watching the empire unwind.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
Trump is history. I suspect he knows it. Maybe his ego is really that big and blinding, but I doubt it. Even Archie Bunker (who, like Trump, was from Queens) knew when he had to give up. LOL
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
the political landscape will be very interesting in 2024. Today is Friday so somewhere across America 50,000 boomers retired this week and all are eager to jump on the social security and medicare gravy train. These “socialist” programs are loved near and dear by every boomer and yet these same boomers are the ones that favor Trump and hate socialism. The cognitive dissonance is palatable.
Another interesting scenario is 5,000 boomers die on a daily basis while we have fresh new immigrants coming into the country daily. So allow immigrants in to provide labor to grow businesses (and alter the voting dynamic) or shut immigration down and let inflation eat away at everyone’s pension, savings and quality of life (and double down on trumpism)?
what’s that cliche? “cut off your nose to spite your face” seems like a very good fit right now.
Galfer1
Galfer1
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
MP, you might want to consider that over the last fifty-four years (and counting), unless I live to 120, I will have paid far more into Social Security and Medicare that I will ever see returned to me. Factor in inflation (which I sincerely believe exceeds what our government posts) and the situation for being repaid (at zero percent interest, mind you) is ever less likely.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  Galfer1
That’s total BS! You need to go create a MS SS account if you haven’t already. The latest statement they provide clearly shows what you’ve paid into SS.
I’ve only paid $104,545 into the system, and I’m 55 and make about $93K in total income before investments. I plan to work about 7.5 more years and live off my pension & savings until 66. So by the time I retire, I’ll probably have not exceeded $140K paid into the system, but my monthly benefit will be approaching $36K a year by the time I get a few more teacher raises and future COLAS between now & when I retire.
I’ll get my money back in less than 4 years unless I kick the bucket which MOST people don’t do.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
As you in one of the States that lets teachers collect social security?
Most don’t because you already collect your teachers pension instead of social security.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
I do have to chuckle at the lack of accurate understanding of Social Security here. Maybe I’ll get the energy to lay it out, but even my Inner Nerd gets tired. LOL
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  Galfer1
what worleyeoe stated is correct. I just logged on to check my statement and I’ve paid less than $200k into social security and I am a very high earner. Social security taxes are limited. There has been talk about Congress changing the limits for decades.
It is mathematically impossible unless you were working 5 jobs and never requested a tax adjustment on your return for 54 years to pay more than you will get out. If this statement were true, the social security fund would be going insolvent, it would have huge surplus but it keeps getting bailed out by taxpayers. It’s simple math if you are intellectually honest with yourself but I suspect you are a boomer and a trumper and can’t come to terms with reality.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
that should read *would NOT* be going insolvent.
Esclaro
Esclaro
1 year ago
Reply to  Galfer1
What nonsense. I retired six years ago and I already got back every dime I ever paid into social security. About $150,000.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
Never fear, the Democrap solution will be to means test Social Security. If you saved/invested, you won’t qualify for Soc Sec, despite how much you paid in.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
What’s your solution?
Steve333
Steve333
1 year ago
Your declaration is meaningless and hollow. It’s also fraudulent and lazy.
It’s mental self absolution at best.
garryl44
garryl44
1 year ago
R,D, I. Nothing will change until or if the obscene amount of money and legal bribery ends. We have no representation in Washington.
Rbm
Rbm
1 year ago
Reply to  garryl44
Yup
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  garryl44
Absolutely, the single BIGGEST problem we have is bribery in government, in the guise of “campaign donations”.
Money is NOT free speech, it’s bribery.
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Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  garryl44
Humans have cheated, lied and stolen from each other since the dawn of history. It’s part of our DNA to do so. Almost all strongmen/politicians have been able to be bought by someone. Nothing will ever change until the machines take over.
Naphtali
Naphtali
1 year ago
You’re a bit late to the non-party Kyrsten. Welcome.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
1 year ago
“This is very much like Trump hounding out anyone who would not suck up to his preposterous Stop the Steal nonsense.”
I actually had not heard that this was “a thing”. Can you please list a few of those who were hounded out by trump? I used to think I followed the news pretty closely until now…
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
The mainstream media?
If not, what news?
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
Ducey wanted to run for AZ Senate but Trump said he would campaign against him so Ducey bowed out. So guess what?
Trump tried to knock out Kemp in the Georgia primary and came close.
Trump backed idiots elsewhere for Senate and guess what.
There were a number of Reps that Trump knocked out in primaries that went on to lose. There were others who would not back stop the steal stupidity and bowed out figuring Trump would cost them.
So no, you are not reading closely or you have selective reading skills.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
right you are mish. not to mention mein fuhrer drumpf ran out of the GOP, decent folks like jeff flake and mark sanford and justin amash. the GOP is MAGA. it ain’t conservative. tis’ radical now. the Ds are illiberal and the Rs are radical. empire unwinding fast last 20 years. afghanistan retreat after 9.11.01 was the death knell. WMD and iraq just kleptomaniacs ruling us. empire crumbling 101. homeless camps coast to coast. folks divided on Blue or Gray color uniforms. pardon pun. lived in charleston. old joke down there. the ruling class had both uniforms in closet as a hedge. now the RS and Ds make believe they are not uniparty.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
I think Trump’s coattails have been longer than most presidents’ coat tails. That said, I think his 15 minutes have expired.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
“If Sinema chooses to caucus with Democrats then the Democrats will retain their 51-49 edge. If not, it’s back to 50-50.”
She has stated that she WILL NOT caucus with the Republican’s.
FlyNavy1
FlyNavy1
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
No she didn’t.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  FlyNavy1
I can see why you are in the military. D’oh.
Sinema herself, however, said she would not caucus with the Republican Party, according to an interview Politico published on Friday. If that holds, Democrats could still maintain greater governing control in the closely divided chamber, blunting the impact of her defection.
CRS65
CRS65
1 year ago
I hope she enjoys being a one term Senator.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  CRS65
I agree. The Dems were already getting ready to primary her for not being liberal enough, and she’s not conservative enough for the Republicans. Her only hope within Arizona is to be a spoiler in ’24, handing the race to the Republicans. I think she ought to simply go Republican given the realities, and see if she can bring Manchin with her. It would be a delicious FU to the “progressives” who have ruined the Democratic Party, but I’m not expecting her to do it.

If she was going to do it, I think she’d have done it. Throw in the reaction from Schumer and some other higher-ups among the Dems, and I think she’ll cling to the Dems even as they kick her to the curb. Sigmund Freud can explain why.

LostNOregon
LostNOregon
1 year ago
Reply to  CRS65
My thoughts exactly. She just eliminated a 2nd term for herself.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  LostNOregon
It occurs to me that she might be one of those rare birds for whom principles matter more than whether she’s re-elected. Ya never know.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
By the way, if that bit of idle speculation about principles happens to be true, she’s by definition unqualified for the United States Senate, which is a baby step ahead of the Roman Senate after the fall of the Republic. The voters, as usual, see it first. Look at who they’ve been putting there; they see that the whole thing is a joke.
Esclaro
Esclaro
1 year ago
Reply to  CRS65
Exactly right. In a three way race against a Democrat and a Republican does she really think she is going to come out on top? She’s an idiot!
pimaC
pimaC
1 year ago
good! the Democrats have proven themselves to be criminals, they committed fraud with Russiagate and there’s substantial evidence they’ve committed election fraud, not to speak of committing fraud to eliminate Bernie Sanders from the Dem primary TWICE, once in 2016 and again in 2020. They have abandoned every principle that used to define them.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 year ago
Reply to  pimaC
Tucker has infiltrated your brain. If there is “substantial evidence” Dems committed election fraud, then are the Democrats the masterminds of deviousness, or are the Republicans so incompetent they can’t figure out how to submit one single piece of evidence in over 60 court cases? Inquiring minds want to know. Maybe it’s that evil judiciary where 75% of Trump’s appointees make “commie” rulings that are just unfair against Trump? Is everything a conspiracy?
I’ll wait for your answer while I log into Dominion and flip another ten thousand red votes to blue, as a penalty for you getting out of line. Like a good liberal should. I hope you truly believe that and call the FBI.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Evidince, schmevidence… can’t you see how CERTAIN he is? God in Heaven is on his side!
FlyNavy1
FlyNavy1
1 year ago
There’s irrefutable evidence from Zuckerberg at Facebook to Musk at Twitter, plus the emails released by Taibbi. Stop being deliberately ignorant. Censorship is election tampering, plain and simple. Call it whatever makes you happy.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  FlyNavy1
Send a link to this evidence.
Describing it as ‘irrefutable’ proves nothing. Not even in all caps.
Provide the evidence, or shut up about it.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Go to Twitter. Watch other than MSM. Evidence galore of government conspiring with Facebook and Twitter to limit freedom of speech on those platforms. My fav is emails trying to come up with cover names for meetings with govt.
Evidence that Jim Baker, ex-FBI and Twitter legal, destroyed emails etc concerning conspiracy.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab

I don’t see any of that. Give me a link or shut up.

Blue
Blue
1 year ago
Reply to  FlyNavy1
In two years of Republi-tards crying election fraud, they have yet to produce one piece of credible evidence of said fraud. There have been cases of individual fraud across party lines that accounts for a handful of votes – nothing that would have changed any outcomes.
lamlawindy
lamlawindy
1 year ago
Reply to  Blue
I’m puzzled by your argument. First, you state that there isn’t even “one piece of credible evidence” of election fraud but then you acknowledge that there “have been cases of individual fraud.” Do you mean that there hasn’t been a showing of sufficient fraud to alter an election result?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  lamlawindy
None of it matters. Yes, of course it was stolen. Yes, of course the Dems know it and approve. Yes, of course the Repubs were in on it. Yes, of course there’s a permanent government that Trump offended from the get go. Yes, of course you don’t go against the spooks.
Blue
Blue
1 year ago
Reply to  lamlawindy
There is a difference between a few idiots trying to cheat and the massive/organized fraud that Republi-tards claim exists. Unfortunately, I find that many people cannot tell the difference. Just to spell it out, there has not been one single piece of evidence showing widespread and organized fraud in any elections since I started voting in the 1980s. Sometimes you just lose because people don’t like you or your message. Trump is a very repulsive person to a majority of the country (including independents), and conservative politicians who associated with Trump’s agenda of rehashing 2020 election drove voters away and motivated Trump haters to get out and vote – as it should be. This is not fraud, it is just social dynamics at work.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Blue
When high-level government employees go to Twitter and conspire to withhold information that would affect the outcome of the election, does that qualify as election fraud?
What if the FBI had a laptop in their possession that proved Trump’s intervention in Ukraine was justified to expose Biden’s corruption, yet concealed it throughout an illegitimate impeachment hearing?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Before Trump won in ’16, a retired spook said he’d never be re-elected, and during his term he’d be rendered pretty much inert. His reason was simple: The spooks (“national security establishment”) hated him, as did the spook who made the comment to begin with.

Folks, elections are a distraction. Oh, and personal corruption has long been a pre-requisite for holding high office in this country. Truman and Eisenhower were exceptions, at least insofar as we know, but that’s it. Forget about the laptop. It doesn’t matter, unless the spooks want it to matter. Which they will, if Biden doesn’t keep toeing the line.

MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  FlyNavy1
“Censorship is election tampering”
Is it censorship to invalidate Russian’s using fake American accounts to influence consensus, promote lies & harm America?
Where are you stationed, btw?
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TheCaptain
TheCaptain
1 year ago
“are the Republicans so incompetent they can’t figure out how to submit one single piece of evidence in over 60 court cases?” I unfortunately have to agree with a good deal of this sentiment. I know that committing crimes is quick and easy and solving them is time consuming and difficult. That’s why real criminals like Madoff got away with it for years and years. So I know that it is possible that the conspiracy theories will eventually, some day be proven right yet again. But after 2016 the GOP should have been on high alert on all fronts for dem cheating and put processes in place to monitor, observe, deter or catch the cheaters in the act and then have avenues for prosecution and proper redress. You would think if the dems were cheating and suddenly big efforts were made to shut them down that all of a sudden you would see the 49-51% election control mechanism crumble and a landslide GOP victory would materialize.
At the same time, Ron DeSantis did EXACTLY what I said. He even put an election police force together. And guess what happened? Landslide victory. So either GOPs ARE incompetent that they couldn’t stop election fraud that they knew damned well was coming OR it’s simply difficult to put processes in place until you get back in power. DeSantis could do it because he was in power.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
… and still, nobody has any evidence. Where is it? On hunter’s laptop in the secret bewbies folder?
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Election corruption comes in many flavors. Twitter, Google, Facebook interference, for three. Mainstream media interference. FBI interference. They had Hunter’s laptop since 2019. Intelligence Agency interference. The laptop had no earmarks of Russian disinfo.
Tell us about the Biden corruption files on the laptop. Bobolinski has even more information than he produced to publicly confirm the laptop was legit. Some 15% of voters polled said they would not have voted for Biden had they known the truth about the laptop.
The 2020 election was corrupt.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
TOOOOT TOOOOT!!
TOOOOT TOOOOT!!
TOOOOT TOOOOT!!
TOOOOT TOOOOT!!
TOOOOT TOOOOT!!
Ease up man, you’re gonna break my Kookwhistle!
jfpersona
jfpersona
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
I’m sorry – Wut now?
So essentially all the social media companies, ALL media companies (even Fox?), ALL the FBI, and ALL of our external intelligence community (CIA/etc.) were ALL in on corrupting our elections? AND the best they could do this time is losing the house and producing a completely divided Senate? I think…that you’re wrong.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Get rid of all mail-in ballots and let’s go back to the old days from 4 years ago and see what happens. Then, the red wave would have arrived.
You’re totally delusional if you think your fellow dems haven’t figured out a way to game the system.
And let’s be clear. There’s been ZERO real state-wide election audits since 2020. ZERO.
Oh! And get rid of the ERIC voter registration system and replace it with something that’s completely non-profit, auditable & transparent and let’s see what happens! The voter registration rolls is where the illegal activity is occurring.
Our elections are now banana republic like.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
“Get rid of all mail-in ballots and let’s go back to the old days from 4 years ago and see what happens. Then, the red wave would have arrived.”
Absolutely correct, by understaffing and too few poll locations in urban areas, forcing those voters to wait in line till 10pm, or give up and go home.
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Blue
Blue
1 year ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
TheCaptain’s brain has set sail for Fantasy-land.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
DiSatan gerrymandered the state to the nth degree. Plus, voters are stupid and think his posturing was a blow for freedom when it was just his bid for the big house. He’s just as slimy as all the other swamp creatures. He backs the blue no matter how corrupt they are. He hates “citizen initiatives”, because he hates us commoners. But, the idiots love getting screwed by him because they value appearance over substance. Slaves are gonna slave.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
ha ha ha
CRZYHUN
CRZYHUN
1 year ago
They did in 1960 with Nixon and he decided not to contend it…oh that was then this is now. Hah. Different animal same spots. John Fund has a spot on book about this.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  CRZYHUN
Nixon didn’t contest it because the Dems of Illinois said they’d do a recount at the rate of one precinct a day. By the way, I think JFK was killed on orders from the Chicago mob. I think they did it because they were instrumental in delivering Chicago after midnight, and were outraged when JFK appointed Bobby Kennedy as his A.G., and then Bobby kept going after the mob. First they got JFK, then they got Bobby. I don’t think Teddy was set up; he simply got drunk, dunked the car, and saved himself.
To quote the best comedy record ever made, National Lampoon’s Radio Dinner, in a parody of Teddy: “Next thing I knew, Mary Jo and the cah were gone. I loved that cah.” LOL
Obviously, we’ll never know about JFK and RFK. Maybe some future generation will know, but I really doubt it. To me, the movie Ruby is as close to the what and why as anything I’ve seen or read. Oswald was a shooter, but not the only one. He said on camera that he was a patsy, and Ruby worked in Dallas for the Chicago mob. Sirhan Sirhan? Does anyone really think that he had it in for Robert Kennedy? I don’t.
In any case, the rule is this: If they steal an election for you, make sure not to bite the hand that put you in office.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  pimaC
A clear case of the kettle calling the pot black.
Sunriver
Sunriver
1 year ago
Darth Vadar comes to mind when I think of the Republicans and Democrats.
Could we get term limits and a viable third party already? Hopefully Libertarian.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunriver
Yeah right, our system is way too broken. It’s going like this… decades more of this nonsense, many more years and election cycles than you can possibly imagine it taking. The entrenched power ain’t giving it up. It’s going to take at least another 10-20 years for people to get sick of their digital devices and switch to making real changes in the flesh.
How many people do you know who don’t want to vote for either party, but will in a close election so the “more evil side” doesn’t win? I know a LOT of them.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
1 year ago
Ha ha! You think we have “decades”. LOL! Have you seen the debt? Do you know the nature of exponential charts? Once the fake money loses its ability to trick people into accepting it as if it were real, the USA is going to break apart like Russia did in the late 80s and early 90s. We are no longer one nation under G_d. We are a divided nation in a bad marriage that can’t stand each other but are staying together as long as it is more economically prosperous to do so. And that prosperity ends when the dollar and other fake paper currency goes into collapse mode. The USA will not exist as a unified entity under a commodity backed currency anymore.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
… and the seventh seal shall be uncorked, and frogs shall rain down upon the heathens! And lo, Jesus shall return for the final battle against the Dark Lord Soros!
Repent, unbelievers! Repent and comply!
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
can i drink some blood and be a carnivore by eating body of jesus before i have sex with the nuns, please? i’m a roman catholic cult survivor. i still have flashback fantasies. sarc nit wits.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
The Faustian pentacle in DC says God has never had anything to do with our power.
hmk
hmk
1 year ago
A start would be to limit all to one longer term. Second, have the government finance all campaigns with an equal amount of cash and outlaw all campaing contributons. The whole election process needs to be compressed from the current grueling annoying long time frame. Until all that changes we will continue circling the drain. Right now we have the best government money can buy.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  hmk
A start would be for you to grow up and rule yourself. But I see you don’t want that. Too scary being free.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  hmk
Term limits are an emotional response that would be self-defeating. Congress has already ceded far too much power to the executive, to staff, and to lobbyists. Term limits would be the last straw, eliminating institutional memory. Be careful what you wish for.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Voting is immoral. The system isn’t broken. You just weren’t paying attention. Government has always been slavery. In fact, the word government comes from the Latin goberno and mentes. Goberno meaning to rule, govern, control. Mentes means the mind. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence. The chains are in your mind. And, if you look at a tarot card for the devil, the tarot being a learning tool for natural law, the chains are loose and easily removed. Slaves are gonna slave.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
There will always be government, no matter what. Some forms look different than others, but anarchy has never even existed let alone worked. If you don’t think leaders should be chosen by voting, then what process would you use in voting’s place?
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Thanks for letting me know about how ignorant you are. Historians and archeologists know when government was born. And the prevailing theory, based on evidence collected, is that it was born out of slavery. Anarchy is still the dominant form of government. Even in the U.S.. We have many levels in our society. You’re just too ignorant to comprehend that. Or do you demand some government slug to monitor your every move. This is all over your head because you have embraced ignorance. I know this from all your ignorant comments. Ask the Romans how well they did against the Germans in the black Forest. Anarchy isn’t for the ignorant. The ignorant are self made slaves. Government is slavery. So you need government. Not I. And that’s how I live my life. I could explain it to you, but I hate slaves.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
I could get all earnest and scholastic, but that would be truly stupid given your, um, logic. So I choose to laugh and offer a song. See, this is America, and in America there is a popular song for absolutely everything. Enjoy!
link to youtube.com

p.s.: Is your head exploding yet? LOL

HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Why would I accept an invitation from a fool?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
Those are the best invitations of all! When does that cocktail party of yours start, and where? LOL
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Yeah. Accepting an invitation from an ignorant fool after I just called you so is a great idea. Your level of stupidity is too disgusting for me. Ignore. Which is what you did to your brain. And why you will always be the chaff.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
You’re earnestly trying to make me angry, and failing. Honest, I’m laughing. This is fun. LOL
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  HippyDippy
2 great examples of anarchy. the code of pashtunwali. why afghanistan cannot be defeated. alexander the great knew. china knows. UK, USSR and USA learned the hard and dumb way. also ANTIFA has been around a century. total anarchy on display. there is not sign up sheet. unlike the proud girls and oath dopers. those morons folded up fast. total wimps. anarchy does work. lots of pockets in peaceful areas of world, too. even in many inner cities and very rural places like emerald triangle of redwoods……….and weed.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
You somehow think that the Pashtuns don’t have government because it doesn’t look like what you are conditioned to think that governments look like. As for antifa, okay, anarchy does happen: in riots. There are no “antifa” governments. If you think that the dopers in the redwoods don’t have governments, you haven’t looked very hard. But hey, b.s. yourself. Randy Weaver and Timmy McVeigh did. LOL
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
I live in rural north florida. There are still a lot of country folk around, which means they’re anarchists. The law won’t stop in many pockets of my county because we don’t like lawdawgs here. If you look beyond the padded wages, government wages drive up our income average, and notice how blatantly corrupt the government is at all levels here, Florida is in many ways a failed state. All you have to do to be an anarchist is grow a spine and let that little government slug know that you don’t have a problem putting him in a swamp and they’ll pretty much leave you alone. since there’s about a 10000% chance that country boy has an Arsenal that would scare away any foreign army, though none will be registered, those slugs will pay attention. But that takes a spine. The lack thereof by the ignorant being the sole reason we have such an obviously narcissistic social construct as government. Slavers for the slaves. But not for me.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
50 state solution is already happening. level of nullification and laws is nothing since civil war. this time, it’s been a big peaceful sort for decades. if you live in CA or TX or NY or AZ……….ti’s infinitely more important who your governor is than who the us president is. we’ll have a president and congress for decades. it just won’t matter much to most people. us courts and highways and navy. but day to day life it’s about the county and state that matters in our lives. i’ve lived in NYC and SC and AZ and CA. like different countries are in EU. it’s all a big yawn really. thank heavens. cold civil 50 state solution / amicable split up. mom and dad still in same house. dad lives on one floor and mom on another. kids alright.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunriver
To the best of my knowledge, I don’t believe there has ever been a Libertarian party in power in any country in the world. I don’t see that changing. Ever.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
This is exactly the kind of thing that is heard just before it happens.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Reply to  Jojo
Libertarians are half steppers. And the early years were very libertarian because the people weren’t as estrogen dominant as you voters. They would hound politicians and tar and feather them, while you sit back and beg for some privilege from your owner.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunriver
NASCAR style ranking can fix this.
lamlawindy
lamlawindy
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunriver
The Libertarian Party had their shot in NH with the Free State Project & couldn’t manage to win. What makes you think the LP will do any better these days?

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