Donald Trump’s Final Days
The best outcome would be for Trump to resign to spare the U.S. another impeachment fight says the WSJ editorial board in Donald Trump’s Final Days.
Democratic leaders Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are demanding that Mr. Trump be removed from office immediately—either by the Cabinet under the 25th Amendment or new articles of impeachment. There’s partisan animus at work here, but Mr. Trump’s actions on Wednesday do raise constitutional questions that aren’t casually dismissed.
In concise summary, on Wednesday the leader of the executive branch incited a crowd to march on the legislative branch. The express goal was to demand that Congress and Vice President Mike Pence reject electors from enough states to deny Mr. Biden an Electoral College victory. When some in the crowd turned violent and occupied the Capitol, the President caviled and declined for far too long to call them off. When he did speak, he hedged his plea with election complaint.
This was an assault on the constitutional process of transferring power after an election. It was also an assault on the legislature from an executive sworn to uphold the laws of the United States. This goes beyond merely refusing to concede defeat. In our view it crosses a constitutional line that Mr. Trump hasn’t previously crossed. It is impeachable.
The related but separate question is whether impeachment or forced removal under the 25th Amendment now is in the country’s best interests. The latter seems unwise unless Mr. Trump threatens some other reckless or unconstitutional act. After Wednesday he has promised to assist an “orderly transition” of power. A Cabinet cabal ousting him would smack of a Beltway coup and give Mr. Trump more cause to play the political victim.
Impeachment has the virtue of being transparent and politically accountable. If there were enough votes to convict in the Senate, it would also seem less partisan. The best case for impeachment is not to punish Mr. Trump. It is to send a message to future Presidents that Congress will protect itself from populists of all ideological stripes willing to stir up a mob and threaten the Capitol or its Members.
We know an act of grace by Mr. Trump isn’t likely. In any case this week has probably finished him as a serious political figure. He has cost Republicans the House, the White House, and now the Senate. Worse, he has betrayed his loyal supporters by lying to them about the election and the ability of Congress and Mr. Pence to overturn it. He has refused to accept the basic bargain of democracy, which is to accept the result, win or lose.
It is best for everyone, himself included, if he goes away quietly.
Credibility
The WSJ noted Democrats would have more credibility now if they hadn’t abused the process in 2019.
I agree wholeheartedly. Indeed, I spoke against Pelosi’s unwise move calling it the Greatest Witch Hunt in American History.
I have defended Trump on many occasions and that was one of them. I defended his first two Supreme Court picks as well.
In case you forgot, please consider Kavanaugh Witch Trial on Thursday, Curious Case of Ms. Keyser vs Ford.
So don’t disclose your Trump Cult Syndrome (TCS) by telling me I have TDS.
Advantages and Disadvantages of Removal
The one disadvantage of immediate removal is Pence can pardon Trump.
But that is only for Federal crimes. Trump faces a slew of state crimes including tax evasion.
The major advantage is Trump faces a slew of resignations that could conceivably be a problem should some sort of global crisis arise.
Trump Crossed Constitutional Line
Advantages and disadvantages aside, there is little doubt Trump crossed a Constitutional line.
Senate Majority leader McConnell should demand Trump’s resignation or tell the president he will support an impeachment process if he doesn’t.
Mish
What Constitutional line, pray tell? You don’t bother to enlighten us with your acumen
I see you cannot read.
Even the WSJ gets it and I quoted them
Might as well impeach him. The congress can’t do anything else but investigate and impeach (actually their recent record is a failure here too) . But keeps them from having to make real decisions and shows us they are really in control?
How about addressing:
Immigatration
Infrastructure
Budget Cuts/Spending Control
Big Bank abuses (criminal charges do not impact their CEO’s but Trump can incite a riot and should be impeached. We have major banks with convicted Felons however their leaders are still roaming free.)
There is plenty to do but it would take real people willing to make tough decisions. I think that pretty much rules out our legislative branch.
Tax evasion? Mish rich don’t pay taxes only people that earn income. The word earned income being the word. Do you know why Warren Buffet pays less than his secretary same reason rich people do “Trump” because it not earned income. By all means investigate I’m not defending the man but there is a huge difference and no secret the tax code is written by wealthy influence but also with incentive to create jobs and investment in the united states. To attract investment like affordable apartment building or community builds their is great incentive tax wise for it because the government can’t and to the same decry debt is absolutely great for wealth. All debt is tax free and refinancing debt is also tax free so if you 100% finance something that has positive cash flow then refinance it every year taking money out while keeping positive cash flow you have 0 tax liability on it because debt isn’t taxable. Many other ways that’s the main way real estate investors work especially last decade.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/italian-connection-video-partly-recorded/
And how about Obama encouraging the BLM riots and looting? i guess that is ok with you? a lot more people died at the hands of BLM and way way more destruction
I wouldn’t base any important decisions on Marty Armstrong’s POV. And I’ve been reading him since he was incarcerated and sneaking photocopied rants with lots of typos…..from prison ….just sayin’
There is a strong narrative that says the US is about to collapse, that our day is done, and that we’re headed for a civil war.
Buy gold, build a bunker, and prepare for the worst. That’s the message of the Rickards, the Armstrongs..the rest of the hard core goldbugs like Peter Schiff and a half a dozen others I could name.
Some of us are still living a very good life in America. Building things, making good art, raising good kids, learning how to deal with the many challenges the future holds…..exercising our right to vote….making meaningful changes at times…..it does happen.
Yes some of us are living alright – I am among them – but the question is for how long? We are largely living of the dead carcass of the America that was built up until the immediate post war period. How much longer will that last?
Don’t throw Armstrong in with Rickards, and the others with agendas. You are living okay now because the agenda’s of Gates, Soros, & Schwab have not been implemented in the US, because Trump was standing in their way (although, Trump did not see through the Coronadoom BS). Let us know how you’re doing in 4 years.
Us and them. A mindset created from the destruction of institutions where dispute can be settled peacefully after evidence have been presented in court. That never happened. There was no intention of discovery. Why? Why wasn’t congress protected by two lines of infantry? Why did police open the gates? Why has some protesters been identified from ANTIFA? Why was the protesters who invaded congress mainly bussed in? What is the italian connection? Why has tech companies acted with more cencorship? All on YouTube. See armstrongeconomics.com. Looking at the election process from Norway, you have an insanely complicated and vulnerable system I couldnt imagine a superpower worthy. I think you have had maybe your last election, and the dispute will be settled with guns eventually. Us and them.
Divide and conquer always works no matter what century. Look at some of the opinions on this comments section over the years. People are ready to burn their neighbors for being pro-Trump or pro-Biden. Some on here even applaud the death of their fellow citizens for being “MAGA” – all for ideology and the insistence that people be forced in line to a particular ideology.
All i want personally is to be left alone – by government and by people trying to take what I’ve worked for to give to others who in many cases haven’t done anything or have come to the country with their hands open asking “what are you going to give me?”
My, you ARE inventive…
I see relying on internet fantasies is your life…
A dull life leads to one searching for wild rumors…
Trump will not resign. That would greatly diminish his power. He is still claiming that he won the election: https://www.nationalreview.com/news/trump-announces-he-wont-attend-bidens-inauguration/
He will hope that the Senate will not impeach, and he will probably continue to divide us.
Republicans still love Trump…
President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence are no longer expected to deliver a video keynote address to the Republican National Committee on Thursday night, though the president was overwhelmingly cheered when he called into the RNC’s winter meeting earlier in the day.
“We love you!” some in the room yelled, according to The Washington Post.
The Independent newspaper said Trump has scrapped plans for the address, attributing its information to a source.
Word of his canceled plans came one day after protesters violently stormed the Capitol building in a show of support for Trump.
The president reportedly called in during a breakfast session of the RNC, which is holding its winter meetings in Florida, and was cheered loudly when RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel put him on speaker. He made no mention of Wednesday’s violence at the U.S. Capitol.
He didn’t invite anything he never told them to be violent but protest. Mish your a hypocrite. Many more died bc of antifa and BLM.
You should focus on investigating the Biden crime family, Trump is gone in less than 2 weeks.
There are plenty of rocks you could turn over and find grift and greed, if you want to dedicate your life and time to looking at our political class. There is hardly a single member of congress whose family, friends, and donors are not benefiting financially from political connections and various conduit schemes, subsidies, questionable deals with foreigners looking to influence legislation, etc, etc, etc.
Your obsession with investigating Biden arises out of your anger over your man Trump going down in flames…..but there simply is no tit-for-tat here…….Trump good-Biden bad is an oversimplified cartoonish POV….read something besides ZH.
Frankly, I am more concerned about career politicians spending 20, 30 or more years grifting off the system they created than an outsider who spent 4 years in office and was unable to enact meaningful change. Trump is the villain of the day for many but he will soon be gone.
Will there be similar outrage at all those proper sounding smiling politicians that say everything right while they reach into your pocket in exchange for nothing and take away your freedoms? I won’t hold my breath.
I’m not in favor of an elite political class that uses long terms of political office-holding to build a new class of royals….but it isn’t a new problem…and it isn’t just something that Democrats do. It’s a problem that Americans have to recognize….we have to make these people reform….term limits and getting rid of unlimited corporate dark money..those are the solutions…..that got killed in the past. By both parties.
Neither PARTY is for the people. Hardly. The party machines are our enemy….they want to keep the pork going forever. They want the money that flows from all part os the globe into DC…looking for a pocket to get stuffed into.
Trump was an outsider…..but that isn’t enough. Trump was and is a bad guy who never cared about the things he claimed to care about…..he was no fighter for justice. He was a guy looking for maximum applause and hero worship. He would have said ANYTHING….He has no principles or scruples….He’s a clever manipulator unleashed on the country by the worst kind of slanted media.
I agree – this isn’t a new problem nor one that is exclusive to one party….well, except that what we have in this country is essentially one party with two different colored sock puppets keeping people agitated about whatever kind of crap keeps them distracted enough to not notice.
In regards to Trump…i don’t know perhaps he did prove to not be enough. Trump has his flaws like everyone else and his personality quirks make him unappealing to many. Is he a bad guy? In the sense that he’s quantitatively worse than any of these others? I really don’t know.
I voted for him again this time around. That vote was aimed providing a counter to the further enabling of the leftist-woke mob which already has the info-tainment media, big tech, universities, and a large part of the courts in their grip. Perhaps that is a losing effort at this late stage in Western Civilization. I didn’t cast that vote believing Trump to be a saviour, hero, or feeling like he can do no wrong. But then again I am a tried and true cynic. I think there are many in the same boat.
There are alot of disappointed and disaffected people out there and understandably so. Despite my own cynicism, I can understand the need for many of them for to find a hero and to pin their hopes and dreams on somebody coming to help them up.
Unfortunately many people on this blog and others focus on the apparent ‘stupidity’ of these people (literally ‘scum’ to some on this blog) for supporting Trump but they continue to fail to empathize with the human sense of desperation that is behind much of that support.
I believe the end is already here – like people in the 5th and 6th century still thinking they were Roman citizens when in reality Rome no longer existed.
People just live their lives…..collapse is ongoing……I would say we’re in a time of the collapse of the late stage American Empire. But I can’t let that dictate the terms of my existence. These things take generations, and some people never even notice.
But I don’t think we’re going to see a Seneca cliff anytime soon that wipes out the banks, or the government, or most institutions…..
And I say this from the POV of someone who has all kinds of emergency contingencies……food, guns, ammunition, rural. land, a nice tractor, all the tools my grandfather used to make his own living in the Great Depression with no help from anybody. It doesn’t hurt to prepare for possible emergencies….but the probability of us having to make massive changes in the way we live, in our short remaining lifetimes…is quite low, in my estimation.
Trump had Barr investigate the Biden’s and came up with nothing. You need to stop drinking Trumps Kool aid.
Nothing substantive that is.
Peggy Noonan has had enough. But she’s wrong on one point. It’s not that it won’t happen again , its that it did happen again because we failed to act every other time.
In case anyone was wondering
Don’t you think Biden is relived?
I think Biden is just frustrted that Trump is not cooperating fully on the transition.
Relieved…. Oops.
I’m worried he will be leading another insurrection.
He never had a plan. He just wanted to create a shit show
ST.LOUIS – Illinois Congresswoman Mary Miller, a Republican who represents
part of the St. Louis area, is facing calls for an apology, even her
resignation, just days after being sworn into her first term. Miller
invoked Adolph Hitler while speaking to supporters of President Trump
at a rally in Washington, D.C. The remarks were made in the hours
leading up to Wednesday’s violence inside the U.S. Capitol.
“Hitler was right on one thing. He said, ‘whoever has the youth has the future’,” Miller told the crowd https://fox2now.com/news/national/lawmakers-demand-apology-resignation-from-ill-congresswomans-hitler-comment/
Not so unfamiliar with that Hitler guy…
…Miller is a political newcomer, who stuck mostly to her family farming business until 2019. Her first term in public office was enabled by conservative political action committees and a far-right student activist organization that has been flagged by the Anti-Defamation League for racist language and previous references to Hitler….
How does ” He who has the youth has the future” false? If you listened to the entire thing or 5 minutes prior she was gawking at the comparison to Hitler and making that point not anyway endorsing. Should’ve used better complaisant because EVERYTHING is hyped up. This country is Zimbabwe no one can fix it lol poor will get poorer and the entirety is an absolute ideocracy of tribalism on both sides. The Russia collusion I listened no meat….. The election fraud I listened no meat…. Both sides are delusional and I don’t see sanity any where people just need to come together seriously most want the same thing.
It’s just an opinion. Opinion’s vary. All last summer we have had to endure left of center violence. Now this right of center violence is characterized as worse thing since 911.
Left center violence? You mean protests against how many dozens of unarmed black people getting shot to death by cops with no repercussions? Then they protest angrily but peacefully during the day while nighttime brings out the anarchists and even the right wingers who join in the destruction to have fun and blame it on the left?
The real danger has come from the right wing vigilantes who tried to kidnap the Michigan governor, who shot a cop in Oakland, who rampaged in Charlottesville, who gunned down a group of black churchgoers, who invaded the Capitol….
Yeah, no side is completely innocent. Trump and Barr seemingly refused to acknowledge or investigate the growth and boldness of these fascist right wing groups at the level they need to be investigated. So they have flourished.
The FBI calls them the biggest domestic terrorist threat. Their scrutiny is about to change dramatically after January 20th.
Apostrophe on opinions ? No. That shows your level of intelligence. The rest of the comment just cemented it.
Lower taxes, Smaller Government , Individuals rights (over the State). Yes I bet just about everyone in government finds them as a threat!
We see that the Trump-worship doltishness runs deep still–oddly enough so vociferously in the people commenting from other countries. Heads can’t be any further up the mango jesuses butt, otherwise you’d see their hair in his mouth.
It really is interesting. I really wonder what is up with that?
Foreigners ? Not that many..and Realist, wherever he lives, sides with you ….In fact I am the only vociferous one breaking the sound in the stupid echo chamber….You should be greatful !
fckn L O L !!… We are no longer talking about peaceful protest, it has now become a fckn outright COUP by fckn Trump, right ? Right ! You should be PROUD of yourselves though, you are actually VERY good at coups, especially in far away places, difference being that you now got a tiny little sip of your own, outrageous medicine, at home this time, unlike, not necessarily in chronological order, in : Libya, Ukraine, Syria, Yemen, Georgia, Venezuela, White Russia…. just to name a few that pop up in my mind ! And, please keep on being VERY VERY indignated, your fckn exceptional nation is HURT so HURT ! THANK YOU TRUMP !
Keep on living in your mollycoddled socialist backwater.
Socialism? That is exactly what yer going to ‘enjoy’ the next couple of years, the Deep State version of it …and some warmonging…of course … BTW, stay out of my backyard, will you, and out of my fckn frontyard too for that matter !
Such envy…
So sad for your butt-hurt.
envy, ENVY, fckn E N V Y ? WHY ?? Do you really think we are missing out on something HERE ?
Hey, what do you think of NATO? A tool of US opression of hapless EU suckers.
They’re in your front yard and back yard, too!
At least you finally revealed your reason for supporting Trump, your hatred of America, and your desire to punish them. America is on it’s last legs, but it has survived this, and will be stronger for it, for awhile, at least.
envy and jealousy is a root of hate
gollum …‘We Hates It. We Hates It Forever.’
You need to go back on the meds.
Signed,
Your Doctor
Troll
Letting Trump see out his term without any repercussions for his increasingly reprehensible behavior establishes a precedent for tolerated behavior from future presidents. I like to think that we will never see another demagogue elected to our highest office but we happen to live in strange times. The overall tenor of politics and press is at an all time low. A message needs to be sent to the rest of the world and to our fellow citizens that this week’s events do not represent what is acceptable behavior in America.
It was clearly an orchestrated riot by Trump and his supporters including Capitol Police and the chain of command that didn’t give the authority to the national guard to be called. Trump wanted this and is the insurrectionist in chief. This is Putin-level stuff.
Americans are very good at orchestrating riots, aren t they ?! Especially in far away places like Ukraine, to mention just one …
Like I said you are VERY good at it ….let me refreshen your deluded mind a little bit more : Libya, Syria, Irak, Yemen, Georgia(the other one), White Russia, Venezuela, Ukraine…
ok now do the BLM riots lol
TDS after Tuesday’s events? That’s pathetic!
I don’t want to hear Trump and his dumbass band of MAGAts ever complain again about a professional athlete kneeling crying “muh flag” ever again. These people showed a much greater disrespect of the institutions, as imperfect as they often are, including the Capitol and the Constitution than Colin Kaepernick ever showed by kneeling.
What Trump instigated with his rhetoric leading into the riots on January 6 showed a total disrespect for American traditions. Apparently, some Americans need to be led by a King–King Donald–and care not about their own freedom and self rule.
Before you tell me Trump is the greatest president of all time like so many of these clowns believe, this man couldn’t even lead his own party to fully repealing Obamacare. He is a failure in so many ways.
I am always surprised that the confederate flag has such a prominent place in these right wing rallies. They claim to be the true patriots and yet support the cause that sought to end the US – thus no US. So do Trump supporters believe the US should be desolved?
Such drama queens…
Capitol buildings are not infrequently occupied in the USA. it is an acceptable means of protest. Scuffling with police, arrests, not uncommon. No one calls the occupiers terrorists. No one shoots the protestors. Some times, the lawmakers, instead of scurrying away, actually meet with the occupiers.
Wisconsin, 2011: https://beautifultrouble.org/case/wisconsin-capitol-occupation/
California,2012: https://www.dailycal.org/2012/03/05/at-least-72-protesters-arrested-in-march-5-occupation-of-state-capitol-building/
Yes, this time it is the nation’s capitol, which is an appropraite venue for the issue under protest.
The TDS and MSM brainwashing is palpable. Consume and obey sheeple.
I agree wholeheartedly. Indeed, I spoke against Pelosi’s unwise move calling it the Greatest Witch Hunt in American History.
Trump’s call to Georgia’s Secretary of State was very similar to his conduct in Ukraine. Had the Senate acted we wouldn’t be where we are now, A president who abuses his office. Pelosi was right. Senate failed to act. I guess we can answer the question Susan Collins asked. No Trump did not learn his lesson.
Now that you mention Ukraine (againe)….Who orchestrated the coup there??? …Looks like the US got a little sip of its own medicine ! LOL !
Disagree with Mish, agree with Sechel.
The impeachment in 2019 was risky, but paid off politically, and certainly was correct from the moral perspective.
Also sad to hear Mish call the 2019 impeachment a “witchhunt”. I realize that Congress works on a political, not moral basis – but there is very little difference between the Ukraine call and state of Georgia call. Impeachment was certainly the right thing to do, and the Dems benefited greatly in my opinion in terms of solidifying Democratic base.
As Romney said – just tell people the truth. If you’re smart about it – it will eventually pay off.
Directive only given after January 6th debacle?
In the West Wing, shell-shocked aides were packing up, acting on a delayed directive to begin offboarding their posts ahead of the Biden team’s arrival. The slowdown before now was due to Trump’s single-minded focus on his defeat since Election Day at the expense of the other responsibilities of his office.
The logical approach would be agreement to resign in exchange for pardon from Pence. This is not the Trump way though.
Trump will self pardon and for potential crimes, but a president self pardoning is almost certain to be challenged in the supreme court and the idea of pardoning for potential crime first done by Gerald Ford on behalf of Richard Nixon was never tested by the Supreme Court so Trump doing both will be on shaky ground.
Ego and lack of trust are the reasons why Trump would never accept that reality. Trump was going to continue burning down the capital for the next 13 days until things blew up for him on January 6th. He still might try.
Twitter unfroze his account temporarily just so he can post one video. It’ back to being turned off.
Mary Trump nailed how he would act to a “T”. She knows him, too well.
What we saw was the culmination of an unrestrained psychopath throwing a temper tantrum with the full power of the presidency at his disposal.
The sight of Donald Trump in his trailer watching the pillaging of the capital while it burns to the music of Laura Branigan’s Gloria is something I will never quite forget.
Can you post the video?
‘Unrestrained psychopath’ ? Like Ted Bundy? Get a grip.
The US has shown for the last 150 years that it knows how to misuse the impeachment process as a partisan weapon. Only one other time has the US faced a situation where impeachment was actually appropriate, that being Nixon. While Nixon’s offenses were much less than Trump’s, Nixon knew he would be impeached and convicted, and he saved the country the trouble, and resigned. If Trump is impeached, who would vote against removing him from office? Anyone? If Senate Republicans telegraph to Trump that they intend to vote to convict, Trump may very well resign, too, and then this would be over, and the country can start to heal.
Mish, have you seen this?
Had the capitol building security been competent and prepared a breach would not have happened. Trump didn’t have any idea that a breach would happen, he’s just a cheer leader.
If only someone had stopped me, I wouldn’t have…
(struck the match by the gas can)(fired the gun)(looked down to text while driving)(had that 6th beer) (hit my wife)(molested that schoolgirl)(cheated on that test)
What, shouldn’t have incited a riot with an audience who should have known betterto attack a facility that should have been better prepared?
What kind of bubble-wrappped mommy-state do you want?
Personal resposibility, indeed.
Allowing it to continue for hours until someone was shot dead and degenerates were swamping the house/senate chambers, with reports of him watching it live cheering like a sports event.
Trump made the intent clear, to stop Biden’s certification, Trump’s words – “Big protest in DC on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!”
If Trump had any rudimentary deep thinking skills he would have made sure the National Guard was there.
Trump told his mob to go to the Capitol. He knew what would happen.
It’s almost like there was a reason why the US Capitol Security was unprepared.
Trump refused to call in the national guard, forcing Pence to make the call. On top of that Trump lackeys in the Pentagon did not equip the National Guard for crowd control duty ahead of time.
Nothing like blaming the victim. That’s really a classic. Got anything else as stupid as this to say? Just asking for a friend who likes to be entertained…
What he or Congress does now is far less a concern than what Trump does later with National security secrets later on.
Trump has a proven history of oblivious recklessness with other people’s money, there’s no reason to doubt he won’t do the same with national security/defense secrets.
All of this was avoidable, had we required candidates running for any federal position to disclose taxes. At the very least it would have shown his followers that he was in fact a Con.
You are all in to protect the National Security State?
Everything classified.
What a democrat you are sir!
To me, your response comes off like an angry child just sent to his room lobbing improvised insults at his parents.
“You….you…DEMOCRAT!”
So, is this an admission that you are not in favor of protecting US National Security?
So far trumps only punishment is he got his phone privilege taken away. A kids punishment for trying to overturn the government.
THE US of A HAS GOT A LONG LIST OF OVERTURNING GOVERNMENTS ELSEWHERE ….This time they got a sip of their own medicine … Serves you right….self declared rightious pricks !
Cabinet members (Devos, Chao) resigning so they avoid having to the 25th amendement issue.
Pence doesn’t want to invoke the 25th. I do expect that the threat of invoking the 25th has been used in the last 24 hours to try to exert some control over Trump. Seems to be working.
The Dems can’t possibly even get an impeachment trial done before the inauguration. And once again, I don’t think the votes are there to convict. Just another spectacle that will cost the Democrats in the long run.
It would be nice for Trump to resign, but he would only do it if he got something valuable out of it…..like immunity from future prosecution….or a pardon.
He will try to self pardon. He has little to lose. That should be thrown out in court. It’s simply wrongheaded to think the POTUS has that right…..people who say he does are delusional.
“The Dems can’t possibly even get an impeachment trial done before the inauguration.”
Incorrect if McConnell would go along
I would be VERY surprised if he did.
Come on Mitch. Surprise me.
“Senate Majority leader McConnell should demand Trump’s resignation or tell the president he will support an impeachment process if he doesn’t.”
This is the best path.
10% chance Trump just resigns — that’s best-case scenario.
90% chance he doesn’t… then Congress can decide what’s next.
I don’t know that impeachment is worth the effort with 2 weeks remaining, but if you can credibly threaten it and have a small chance of resignation — that’s worth it.
It appears that Pence has ruled out the 25th. Impeachment will proceed, whether there is conviction or not. Democrats are entirely sick of this lawless and seditionist president flouting the law nonstop without consequences. The real consequences will come after January 20th. He will shown to have been a lifelong criminal once his taxes and bank records are fully revealed, is the most likely case. What he has done to defile the office of the Presidency since then is beyond imagination.
It is worth it. Either you get him out, or you have at least 34 GOP Senators on the record supporting a President’s right to directly incite an attack on the US Federal Government. That vote will age just right.
I just thought of a way to improve on that.
If Trump resigns, Pence should resign. Gets rid of the Speaker too.
Cabinet members resigning to avoid having to deal with the 25th amedment.
Congresscritters making themselves scarce to evade the impeachment issue.
….Congress adjourned for at least the rest of the week after it counted Biden’s electoral victory early Thursday. It is unclear if either chamber would return in time to vote to remove the president in the 13 days before the inauguration. While Schumer’s Democrats will control the Senate in coming weeks after Senators-elect Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff of Georgia take office, Republicans will hold the chamber until they are sworn in.
Asked Thursday about the timing of possible impeachment proceedings, Pelosi said, “I don’t know how quickly [Pence] might respond. We’ll see.”
Schumer told reporters he and Pelosi tried to reach Pence on the phone to urge him to remove Trump from office. He said the vice president’s staff kept the Democrats on hold for 25 minutes, then told them he would not come to the phone….
Mommy said no, you can’t talk to that bad boy Schumer or that tramp Pelosi…
Self-pardon indicate self-indictment for crimes.
The problem I see with self pardoning passing a Supreme Court review has a pretty simple basis in common sense, while the legal basis may be more involved.
Let’s say a lawyer gives the Supreme Court an example that a President doesn’t like the justices of the other party on the Supreme Court. So he either arrests or has shot those justices and replaces them with his own choices. Or kills their whole families and pardons himself even if he doesn’t get away with the replacement gambit.
Or drops a nuke on one of those librul cities and pardons himself.
Sure these seem crazy, but so does what has happened these past 4 years. There is no conceivable reason why anyone should be allowed to be a criminal, and their own judge and jury of their actions, regardless of how heinous. I also heard a legal reason the other day that would probably shoot down any self pardon, but it was legal semantics that I’m not qualified to evaluate.
Still, I bet trump tries it. He really will need it if it works.
Trump’s resignation seems a remote possibility, but I guess anything can happen now. His statement about leaving on Jan 20 indicates he’ll play ball.
More importantly, the Q movement that spawned the Capitol scene yesterday is fizzling out. They made the critical error of basing everything on one man, effectively becoming a cult of personality. Now that Trump is exiting stage left, they can only fragment into pieces.
“the Q movement that spawned the Capitol scene yesterday is fizzling out.”
From your fingers to God’s eyes. How can you possibly know this?
The anger itself isn’t going away, but the idea that they can unite under one (false) god is kaput.
From here on out, it’s splintering and infighting in their future.
Only if they can’t find a single enemy to unify against
Sure, but who would the single enemy be? Dems? Globalists? Satanic pedophiles? Corporate elites? Bankers? MIC leaders? China? Latin immigrants? Muslims? The CDC? The EU? Atheists? Israel/Jews? Iran? Anyone who isn’t exactly like them?
You can see the problem here. Q is a scattershot movement and the only unifying thread is the Christ-like figure at the center, one Donald J Trump. Without that commonality, they might as well be 100 different movements.
This helps explain why once inside the Capitol, the insurrectionists plodded around like lost children on a field trip, sat at desks, and took dumps then spread them around. They didn’t know where to direct their energy. Fortunately for the planet, they didn’t have enough weapons and a determination to shoot and kill Dem lawmakers. One of these days, maybe they will have the firepower and game plan to tear the Earth a new one.
I wish the edit button was available, I forgot more obvious bogeymen like BLM, blacks in general, Antifa, communists, Millennials, H1B immigrants, etc. See how many enemies there are? They’ll never unite for more than one news cycle on who to fight and there are way too many choices.
6 months ago I warned of the Trump Cult, 30 million strong. And that he would control that cult in or out of office.
The worst thing in the world us non-cultists can do now is assume it will all just go away. It will not — it will only get worse unless and until it is exterminated.
Every police department in America is controlled by a MAGA union chief with loyal MAGA lieutenants and many MAGA officers in the department ranks. They are collaborating with the civilian MAGA organizations, allowing them free rein, as we witnessed in the Capitol Riot. Police officers permitted entry and took selfies. There were active police and military among the rioters.
This is no time for Pollyannas. This is the time for direct reaction.
I wouldn’t go nearly that far about the police. One of the failures of MAGA, as seen yesterday, is that the cops are generally NOT on the side of the Trumpkins. Their belief in the thin blue line and the “goodness” of the military are huge weaknesses, but those delusions were necessary for them to believe the MAGA crowd could take over the country. Without law enforcement and the military, they’re sunk and they know it.
The police aren’t an ideological entity, they’re on their own side and are willing to crack red/blue skulls when incentivized. The police also are not a monolithic entity, so different departments can play different games when it suits them.
Fair enough, but having key operatives in the right places makes the Trump Cult more powerful.
If you’re looking for a unifying concept it would be white supremacy. Their common enemy is anyone not white or against white supremacy. It has proved to be sufficient in the past.
You are calling for the extermination of 30 million of your fellow citizens?
You are way more unhinged than the Yemeni or whoever shouting mawet al Amerikani (they have a little more cause, serious personal loss).
Insane.
They aren’t citizens. Many of them are insurrectionists just waiting for the days and months ahead. This is the only the beginning:
Webej you’re talking about a guy (?) who just recently actively cheered the killing of Ashli Babbitt because she was a “MAGA” He’s just like every other enlightened tolerant leftist – ready to see anyone that disagrees with the ideology burned alive.
I give as good as I get, douchebag.
We can start with extermination of the ideology. If that doesn’t work, well….
In normal times, an eye for an eye is bad policy. But history has taught me that one cannot ignore genocidal threats.
MAGAtts at the insurrection were sporting “Camp Auschwitz” shirts and “6 Million Weren’t Enough” shirts.
So, yes, extermination … first for the ideology, and if necessary, for the adherents.
Between them or me, it will be them.
If you are MAGA, you are the enemy and will be treated as such.
The Capitol was far from the only site of organized insurrection yesterday. The Governor’s mansion in Washington State was occupied, the Michigan Capitol received bomb threats, the Kansas legislature was occupied. This is a nationwide uprising, and if it appears buffoonish and chaotic on the surface, it is very dangerous and determined.
Yes, but one thing they’re forgetting is the executive order that the impeached president passed. It calls occupying federal buildings a felony and includes 10 year sentences. While it was aimed at BLM and anti-fascists, isn’t it ironic how it’s going to come back and bite the Capitol occupiers? Some of them just figured that out and are furiously trying to claim it was all a big party on their social media, since the law knows who they are. OOPS.
The anger was fake. Just like it was with the Tea Party, which I was a part of. Tea Party claimed they were angry at Obama and his deficits, taxes, push for restrictions on liberty including gun rights. Yet where was the Tea Party when deficits skyrocketed with Trump’s pen (Trump era spending makes Obama look like a fiscal conservative), the new taxes on products Americans buy daily called tariffs, Trump’s executive orders against gun rights, his push for red flag gun laws, the bump stock ban, the honey badger ban, and FIX NICS.
These people have selective outrage and soon it will be seen.
Every side has selective outrage like this, it’s nothing new. I think at this point people set aside what they might be for and focus on what they are against despite whatever contradictions that might incur.
I don’t believe they’ll go away just as much Antifa or BLM will go away. Over the last 15 years there’s been a growing divide. The left vs Right is a huge part of the problem and not a single politician will ever fix a problem like that as society has to come together but tribalism is 100% normal not that I agree. Main point is I believe Trump either started “Q” or paid someone to do it. In 1991 Trump called a reporter acting as a representative of his when it was actually him and he’s done many tactics like this with smoke and mirrors so to me even when this Q thing first came out I thought it was a possibility more so at this point.
In 6 months a significant portion of Trump followere will believe that Nancy Pelosi faked the whole thing….the claim is now that Antifa took over the whole peaceful protest.
The delusion runs deep.