Update
Trump Aide Tests Positive for Covid
Please note Trump to Quarantine After Top Aide Tests Positive for Coronavirus
President Trump said he and the first lady would begin quarantining while they await the results of their Covid-19 tests, after Hope Hicks, a senior White House adviser who traveled with the president this week, tested positive for the coronavirus.
Ms. Hicks traveled with the president aboard Air Force One to and from the debate in Cleveland on Tuesday. She also traveled with Mr. Trump on Air Force One to and from a rally in Minnesota on Wednesday, along with a number of top White House advisers, including Stephen Miller; Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law: and Dan Scavino, deputy chief of staff for communications.
Earlier in the evening, the White House had released a schedule for Friday that showed Mr. Trump attending an indoor fundraiser at the Trump hotel in Washington and traveling to Florida for a campaign rally.
The White House typically uses a rapid test to assess whether the president and other officials have Covid-19, so it wasn’t clear why Mr. Trump doesn’t yet have results.
One Too Many Tests!
If you don’t test, you won’t have it.
Testing is BS
Update: Apparently Not
Debate
The next debate is set for October 15.
Depending on the outcome of the tests, it could be canceled.
U.S. Stock Futures Drop After Trump Tests Positive for Covid-19
The Wall Street Journal reports U.S. Stock Futures Drop After Trump Tests Positive for Covid-19
Ironic Debate Moment
Pres. Trump mocks Joe Biden on the issue of masks: “I don’t wear masks like him. Every time you see him, he’s got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away and he shows up with the biggest mask I’ve ever seen.”
Mish
Wishing P:resident Trump and Melania the speediest of recoveries.
Wishing President Trump and Melania the speediest of recoveries.
You can judge the moral character of liberals by their glee of someone being sick. This includes you Mish…..
Catching it and treating it early is key to overcoming the virus, and I wish him a speedy recovery.
… but if he ultimately succumbs from this, he’s my top nominee to receive the Darwin award.
It’s worse than they’re letting on
Went from mild to moderate.
Has fever and fatigue.
Got experimental cocktail that only 275 people have gotten at the highest dose. 8 mg
He’s going with the doctors and not taking hydroxychloroquine
Trump’s tweet announcing that he had Coid has turned out to be his most popular and most liked tweet ever! [lol]
I would have liked to see the look on their faces when some told them if trump and pence got sick that Nancy would be in charge. Thats why pence “does not”have to quarantine.
Just pointing out we really don’t know for sure that Trump’s symptoms are mild. There’s a long tradition of lying ot the American public about the true state of the President’s health. FDR, JFK and an incident I don’t recall about Bush Sr I believe.
JFK was far sicker than the public knew at the time. He took regular steroid injections to deal with his illness
If you see any flash grenades going off around the WH grounds, you can be pretty sure Trump is about to emerge from its walls.
Just heard on our main news he’s been flown to hospital, which is odd as they have a medical centre at The White House
I put the odds of Trump staying in isolation for the full 14 days at less than 10%.
Yep, Trump takes a car ride within less than 3 days.
He is already sick with “mild symptoms,” a characterization I am skeptical of. Reminds me of September 1976 when China announced that Mao had a cold.
One thing I think this does mean, Hope Hicks was veyr unlikely to be the source of infection; “…symptoms typically appear within four or five days after exposure.”
It has been 3 days since Hicks went with Trump on AF1.
For him to already be showing symptoms last night means he is very unlikely to have been exposed after Monday. It can take up to 14 days for symptoms to appear.
It is a legit question given his obesity and age (as well as probable underlying condition of dementia) whether or not his symptoms will worsen to the point that he has to go the Article 25 route, at least temporarily, or die in office. That is no excuse for postponing an election in which more than a million people have already cast ballots, and so many state and local ballot issues are at stake. Even if he were to die prior to election day he could be elected or defeated posthumusly and in the case of a win Pence be sworn in or have his term end January 20, 2021 at noon, and especially if Pence is already the acting president.
The complexity of changing election dates at this point given the rancor in the partisan congress makes this pretty unthinkable.
If Biden were to have to withdraw also then it might be a different story, both sides would have reason to see a short postponement. But, it would be such a circus with the constitution still requiring electors be counted in December and other laws that limit any delay, I do not think it can be done at all. I guess if the top of the ticket were gone for both parties through death or resignation/withdrawal the contest would revert to a vote between Harris and Pence.
This is one of the reasons I was watching Biden’s VP choice so closely, if you remember I thought Biden would be lucky to make it through his first term, now it is not out of the question that he could well not make it to Jan. 20. I just hope he was not infected.
It’s entirely possible that he test positive but has an unrelated cold.
This afternoon when you wrote that I would have agreed, but I just saw the helo take off airlifting him to Walter Reed. Stunning advance of symptoms I would say. He has had this longer than the suggestion that Hope Hicks gave it to him Tuesday aboard AF1. That would be a remarkable down spiral in just three days when three days is the earliest the incubation period is noted to be. Usually it is 5-14 days.
I sincerely wish our Dear Leader and First Lady fully recover quickly from Covid-19. The people around the whole world are already starting to miss your greatly talented circus show.
I grudgingly agree; it would in it’s own way be a form of justice for the more than 200,000 dead if he does not survive this, but, it is not the type of justice the nation needs. Besides, it would throw the election into real chaos, such as the GOP never Trump voters now being able to vote for a president Mike Pence instead. It would have an impact on everything if Trump were to succumb to Covid.
Already much has changed, for example how many votes will he now get as sympathy votes when even democrats are expressing hope he gets well soon. He could get a handsome bump from this. Dare I suppose he could even be faking this? Why not? He has lied about everything else and has zero morality to inhibit such a ploy.
It seems that you are claiming that without Corona (or different policy, you do not specify) there would 200,000 less deaths, in other words, that there is 200,000 of excess mortality. I have not seen any numbers that confirm anything like this…
My main concern now is not which other cabinet sycophants are infected by tRump, but if tRump has infected Biden as he was barking at Biden for 90 minutes during the debate.
“One Too Many Tests!
If you don’t test, you won’t have it.”
77 NFL players tested positive. Turned out that none actually had Covid-19.
Link to a credible source?
I had it in March for 15 days was so sick. They had no tests for it back then and basically told you to stay home if you got sick, they had almost no treatment at that time other than palative. May 1 was tested with finger stick for antibodies and that test came back negative, but the error rate was also 40% for those tests at THAT time.
Was sick again in May requiring an ER visit on the 16th and I was indeed quite ill but sent home because they only had room for the most severe cases and could not confirm it was even Covid anyway, they had no rapid tests then. Got sick again in July but just for a few days. Now sick AGAIN for the 4th time this year and each time has been the same symptoms and sensations even if less severe now, hoping this time it goes away even quicker.
This is one nasty bug that you can get sick from repeatedly and even between bouts have many symptoms like extreme life altering fatigue. I have started thinking of it more like malaria which peaks and falls away and comes back then receeds, but is never completely gone. Though I must admit also what I have may not be Covid at all, the first time I was actually sick was in Ireland in summer 2017 and that forced me to relocate back to the states, whatever that was could be the culprit because I was getting sick with that every so often and my ears have been affected ever since 2017.
I had it in April, same time as my wife who was tested because of occupation.
I had it very lightly, but 4 months later I’m not convinced I’m the same as before (when I do a sprint on my bike for a few kilometers). Lingering symptoms are not uncommon, but on/off again would be somewhat more exceptional, though similar accounts have surfaced.
Webej, I do not know what it is for certain, just that every couple/few months I get sick and the symptoms are a laundry list of those Covid is known to cause, except my ears which have been in bad shape since Ireland in 2017.
And yet you are back smoking???
I have been smoking since 1969, could have been 70, its a little hazy. Nixon was prez I remember. Have seriously tried to quit a number of times, but never made it past a week before the withdrawal just was too rough to make it worth it. My grandfather was told at 76 if he did not quit he would not see 77 so he quite, and he was a 2-3 pack a day smoker, he made it to 84 but he told me a little before he died that he wished he had never quit. He said the withdrawal never goes away.
And the part you are leaving out is that they (NFL) were suspicious of the result because all the positive tests came from one source that was subsequently found to be contaminated. Retesting was done and negative results confirmed. A disruption to be sure, but hardly the big deal you are trying to make of it. Hence why no one else is bringing it up this long after the event.
Hope he and his wife are OK. I’m not a Trump fan (nor a Biden fan), but I don’t wish death on anyone.
Me neither, but I could tolerate some suffering in this case.
Him dying would save lives.
As someone who has had covid i wish him luck. ( i had a slight temp for few days little cough. I about dropped over when i went back to work. felt like i could not get o2 in my body. )At the same time i cant help but say ah ha ( from the simpsons). Maybe something good will come out of this. Maybe the no mask crowd will start to take things seriously so we can get this over with. But prob not. Maybe the uncertainness of the the virus may change his attitude. Scrooge effect but prob not. Well see
Are Face Masks Effective? The Evidence.
Published: July 30, 2020; Updated: August 26, 2020
My elementary schooler got a homework assignment yesterday, it’s an assay about “you get what you sow”.
Is it a religious school? The sowing metaphor is in the Bible.
Could this be just a Flu? Or even be a Hoax by the Democrats? Because in tRump’s tweet announcing his test result, I didn’t find “Positive For China Virus”, nor “ KongFlu”. (He was talking about some strange thing called Covid-19 which is supposed to be just Flu).
Worthy question, it very well could be for several reasons. He said he would not participate in debates if the rules were changed, and the second debate now falls within his quarantine period so at the very least he will miss that one. He likes to pretend he won Tuesday but he as well as everyone else knows it was a freaking disaster for the GOP.
Also, he is on record over and over saying it is no worse than a bad cold or mild flu, so if he got it and recovered nicely he could say SEE? I TOLD YOU IT WAS NOTHING!
And then there is the sympathy vote, how many GOP never Trumpers could come back to the flock from sympathy, or even thinking great now he has learned his lesson, they do keep falling for that over and over.
What I want to know is if he knew he was infected prior to the debate and went through with it on the chance of infecting Biden. I mean the debate was Tuesday and he was already having symptoms on Thursday night. That is two days and minimum incubation period is 3, but typical time for first symptoms to show up is 4-14, meaning he was already infected and likely infectious on that stage. Maybe he had a sore throat or a tickle in his throat and ignored it, or just said hell with it, if I get sick I am taking Biden with me, no way was he going to skip his chance to act like a crazed chimpanzee slinging his own feces on national TV.
I hope some enterprising network wonk has a look at all the camera feeds from the debates frame by frame to see if he coughed in Biden’s direction. He could have when the camera feed WE see was on Biden and Trump is a TV personality, he knows to look for the red light that is the camera going out to the public, second nature to him. He would have known when he was not being watched.
Trump’s virus case is mild so far, with cold-like symptoms.
President Trump is showing symptoms of the novel coronavirus, but mild ones, according to two people familiar with his condition.
The president has had what one person described as cold-like symptoms. At a fund-raiser he attended at his golf club at Bedminster, N.J., on Thursday, where one attendee said the president came in contact with about 100 people, he seemed lethargic.
A person briefed on the matter said that Mr. Trump fell asleep at one point on Air Force One on the way back from a rally in Minnesota on Wednesday night.
A White House official said that as of Thursday night, the president’s treatment plan was still being discussed. So was a possible national address or a videotaped statement from the president to demonstrate that he was functioning and that the government is uninterrupted.
From what I understand the basic progression for serious cases is you have nominal symptoms for seven days or so and then you fall off the cliff.
Correct. Most people are asymptomatic the first week. It’s during the second week where the patient either gets better, or gets worse. Even then, there is nothing written in stone. Some people get better, get worse, get better, get worse, and it lasts for months.
its thought that people are at their ost infectious before they display simptoms
That is true. He’s probably had it for several days, and has been infectious for several days. But he’s still not yet to the point where the disease turns one way or the other.
Sechel: “Trump’s virus case is mild so far, with cold-like symptoms.
President Trump is showing symptoms of the novel coronavirus, but mild ones, according to two people familiar with his condition.”
Because the Trump White House has NEVER lied about anything.
To paraphrase him when it comes to severity of Covid “I had to lie in order to avoid panicking the nation.”
there’s a huge history of multiple admiinistrations not being honest on the president’s health.
JFK was far sicker than most people knew
FDR also comes to mind and there was an isse with one of the Bush presidents that escapes me
Yeah, I went for a nap, woke up started dinner and put on the TV and viola they have a helo on the White House lawn ready to air lift him to Walter Reed. At ht rate symptoms are progressing I would say he is toast, and if I had been at that New Jersey fund raiser I would be really pissed off at myself and the orange spy right about now.
Not sure I believe trump has covid. Awfully convenient excuse for no more debates and shutting him up until the election. And he can emerge saying I’m fine, the virus is just a bad cold, no biggie blah blah blah
What happens if Trump ends up being asymptomatic?
What will be the excuse if he can say “Yeah I had Covid but if I wasn’t tested I would have never known it”?
It would be a daft claim because he would then have given it to many others who might not be so fortunate.
He’s reported to have “cold-like” symptoms at this point.
Assume he is at the very entry-point into symptom-land
Assuming anyone in the Trump administration is even capable of speaking truth.
At the other extreme, what if he becomes a “long-hauler”, and never recovers? Or, what if Biden catches it as well before the election?
Covid is bizarre because the reaction of one person can be so different from the next. We just have to take things one day at a time, and see what happens.
Well that spares us from being embarrassed by our president in another debate. The world was clearly laughing at us on Tuesday…
Just hours before President Trump announced that he had tested positive for COVID-19, he was mingling with fundraisers at an event held at his New Jersey golf club—and even posed for personal photo-ops with supporters. The event went ahead after the White House learned that one of the president’s closest aides, Hope Hicks, had tested positive for the disease, according to multiple reports.
Trump was last seen in public Thursday afternoon, when he headed home to the White House after the fundraising trip to Trump National Golf Club in Bedminister. Ahead of that event, attendees were promised a photo opportunity with the president, and Trump was due to meet with the winner of a raffle organized to raise funds for his campaign. It appears that, despite Hicks’ test, the event went ahead as planned…. and Trump reportedly delivered a droplet-spraying speech. According to the Washington Post, Trump didn’t wear a mask at the golf club, or on the plane back to Washington, D.C. The president then tested positive after he had returned to the White House.
Many months ago now, when Trump was busily doing and saying all the wrong things and making matters so much worse than it had to be……I chanced to think once or twice……wouldn’t it just be poetic justice if this moron catches COVID and ends up sucking on a hose and gasping for breath.
I expect that with the early diagnosis and the decent treatment that’s available now, he’ll probably do fine…..
He probably WILL get hydroxychloroqine….and a Z-pack…and some steroids…….maybe some fluids….. it’ll probably work too. But you never know at his age, and with his BMI ……..and who knows what he puts up his nose when he’s tweeting on the toilet in the wee hours.
I agree he’ll obviously get the best treatment but if it were that easy we wouldn’t be having so many deaths.
Nobody takes COVID more seriously than I do. Mask+ Gloves+Gown+Excellent Handwashing= Staying Alive in my business.
And eye protection. Forgot eye protection. 🙂
What about bleach and light up the ass…let’s not forget those options.
Perhaps Putin will send his excellent vaccine…
During the debate Trump insisted that there were no “negative effects” that stemmed from his rallies and took a jab at Biden, arguing that the former U.S. vice president was essentially envious of his crowd turnouts. “We’ve had no negative effect. We’ve had no negative effect. And we’ve had 35 — 45,000 people at these rallies,” he said.
All it takes is one….
I would hate to be a bug catcher for someone like Trump.
He caught it from an aide. Not at a rally.
What is that?
Smells like schadenfreude.
The President Contracting COVID-19 Is A Major National Security Crisis
Trump Just Delivered the Ultimate October Surprise
and
I’m worried that if Trump is incapacitated, the entire country will be plunged into stability.
He delivered a October surprise but not the ultimate I think; that will be the start of WWIII with China.
As far as the nuclear football goes, I am pretty sure that since 2017 the Pentagon likely issued fake codes to him.
So far Trump has started no wars and showed himself to be reluctant with actual strikes, certainly compared to the last 5 presidents. He does bark a lot though.
That is an awful lot like saying Jack the Ripper didn’t stiff the waiters at restaurants. He started a war HERE!
It’s likely Trump was infected during the debate. Now Biden will need to get tested. We don’t know if the two talked back stage. Even if they did not an stayed 8 feet apart they were both indoors shouting at each other for 90 minutes. It’s a concern.
well he seemed quite fit during the debate. If he looks good and healthy in a few days it will somewhat undermine the message that Covid is a deadly disease…
not true. the danger time is usually days 10-14
Suppose it turns out that Trump infected Biden during the debate. Then suppose Biden dies and Trump survives….
Suppose Trump dies and Biden survives. People would vote Pence over Biden.
Pretty sure I could get elected over either one at this point.
I think you overestimate Pence’s popularity. He’s a career politician, which is not something a lot of Trump supporters signed on for. They think Trump is uniquely qualified.
Don’t think you are right. He is another entertainer. A talk show host turned politician.
here come the outpouring of well wishes from world leaders
I am sure the love letters from Kim Jung Un will be delivered.
Pooty poot sent a form letter.
The silence is deafening.
…’stock futures drop’ ! ….Given the Trump loathing on CNN, in biased newspapers and blogs like this one , I d rather expected a BIG relief rally….
Uncertainty, lots of ifs, buts and maybes depending on developments.
Does he really have it? Going for the sympathy vote?
He wants the stock market to hold up until the election at least. I can’t imagine he’d have thought that him faking the virus would help that, or his election chances when it eventually came out.
I had the same thought. He’s desperate, but that would be a dangerous gambit since word might get out.
Maybe this is the prelude to him constructing am excuse to bow out of the race?
He can then say “I wasn’t a LOSER, I was forced to quit due to the virus!”
Well at least Trump doesn’t have any comorbidity factors
Beside age. Over weight.
And likely Lewy Body Dementia.
Trump tested positive for a hoax? When does he start taking hydroxychloroquine?
He had already been taking it.
Most studies have concluded that HCQ is effective if given early, so presumably, if he is going to take it, he has already started. He did take it once before, so it is possible. For some bizarre reason, in the US, the only Emergency Use Authorization for HCQ was an authorization to give it late, to already hospitalized patients. That is not only likely to be ineffective, but may be harmful as well, so it is good that they withdrew it. It should have been replaced with an EUA allowing it to be given to patients as soon as they test positive, however.
Here’s a link to all the HCQ studies out there:
For what it’s worth, the same appears to be true of Ivermectin, Remdesivir, and favapiravir; they are most effective if given early. If you are giving a drug to stop replication, it only makes sense to give it during the phase where the virus is replicating, about days 1-7, when there are few, if any, symptoms. India has found that Ivermectin was more effective than HCQ, but there are a lot less studies on Ivermectin. There are, so far as I know, no studies of favapiravir or remdesivir being given early.
I’m willing to bet, though, that while the US standard practice is to send people home to see if they recover on their own, and won’t treat them until they are in really bad shape, Trump will get some sort of early treatment.
He’s probably getting the whole cocktail already, and it will probably work well. Ironic that so many had to die before treatment could be fine-tuned.
But it is still a roll of the dice at his age.
Any anti-viral will only be effective in the virus replication cycle, before serious disease on set. There is no study I know of that claims Remdesavir has any effect on outcomes of people with C19. The risk envelope (renal and liver failure) is significant, whereas for hcq and ivermectin it is closer to completely safe than aspirin.
I think he should jump right to injecting bleach.
Covid-45
This isn’t quite the October surprise I expected! Doctors are much better at treating Covid-19 than they were earlier this year, but Trump’s gotta be careful as an old guy.
You left out fat.
Trump tests positive:
Funny video! Put on 2x speed.
I’ll call BS on this thing. Another cliff hanger to keep the public focused on the election and the fake debate scenario. Nick Dibitetto had the best rendition of the debate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrduuiKGdSc