Proud Boys Can’t Downplay Video Proof
The Proud Boys have tried to downplay their role in the Capitol riot. A WSJ video investigation shows that the far-right group was at the forefront of many of the day’s key moments.
Trump in Debates “Proud Boys Stand Back and Stand By”
Proud Boys Organize
Proud Boys Among First to Charge the Gates
Among the First to Push Through
Gieswein Sprays Police with Unknown Substance
Proud Boys Dominic ‘Spazzo’ Pezzola Breaks Window
First Rioters to Enter Building
Mobs Enter Capitol Complex
Canada Calls Proud Boys ‘a Terrorist Entity’
Yesterday, the Canadian parliament labeled US far-right Proud Boys group ‘a terrorist entity’,
The motion is purely symbolic, but the government has said authorities are monitoring the group and collecting evidence that could support the move.
In Canada, they first made headlines in 2017 when five navy members of the Proud Boys were disciplined for disrupting an indigenous ceremony in Halifax.
Canada lists dozens of banned terrorist organizations including Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, the Taliban and the Islamic State group.
Proud Boys Stand Back and Stand By
Debate Video
Trump refuses to denounce white supremacists then tells the Proud Boys to “stand by”.
When Trump called for the January 6 “wild” protest, the Proud Boys took that as a personal message from Trump to act.
It’s a fascinating study about mobs and organizers. Please play the debate video and the WSJ expose in the first Tweet at the very top.
Mish
I’m not at all convinced that the rioters (including The Proud Boys) truly believe the implausible (even by many other conservatives’ standards) assertions of mass voter fraud uttered by a man who will, even as president, behave so childishly in public.
Long before election day, Donald Trump was saying he may not respect a Biden win, as though preparing his voter base for his inevitable refusal to leave office.
Post-election, just the loss itself is still touted as sufficient proof of the unverifiable claim Trump was cheated from a victory due to atypically massive electoral-ballot fraud.
It is possible the claim that Trump actually won the election is a pretext for their attempt to overturn Joe Biden’s electoral win. Along with a sense of entitlement to another term of Trump, the rioters may have been enraged enough at his defeat by the supposedly ‘socialist’ Biden, they were now going to raise hell.
Or the Trump supporters may consciously or subconsciously believe that he has to remain in office for some perceived greater good (to save the nation or even to do God’s work), regardless of his election loss. Thus the ends justify the means.
Trump did say he loves the poorly educated. This was your first clue that he loves the Proud Boys. These boys are so, so smart, that one of their first actions of their insurrection is to grab their cell phones and start incriminating themselves for easy pickings when the federal alphabet soup legal authorities begin their arrests. And to think these minds think they are smart enough to overturn a government who spends a trillion plus a year on military and intelligence with their toy AR-15s. It’s comical! A drone strike will end it quickly and send them off to meet their maker.
The fact they are still on the grid and sending out a cell signal…
In their ultimate expression of stupidity, they really felt Trump loved them and would be there for them. They soon found out Trump is only about himself as these guys rot in jail. I have read since there were no pardons on January 20 at noon for any of these clowns, a few have figured out this tough lesson.
By the way, I mean no disrespect to the AR-15, but it’s a toy compared to the modern weapons that could be used to eradicate Proud Boys if the crap ever hit the fan.
Meanwhile Antifa smashes and burns Tacoma, the Magnificant Mile in Chiraq is a burnt out and gutted ruin with businesses closing up and leaving, Kenosha is still a boarded up wreck in certain areas (I drove through there recently), while the damage to the Capitol is light in comparison and will be repaired quickly. So the Proud Boys caused a little bit o’ damage. Just imagine the damage which has been caused to entire Nations from the Politicians who sit in that Capitol and fund endless war. It is the Proud Boys who are the criminals, not the Politicians waging endless war in your name, and their lair is sacred….. do I have that correct? Biden already has the Boys in Green going back into Syria to secure the oil and eliminate ‘enemies” in your name. Hurrah!
This is terrific stuff from the WSJ.
I wonder whether the FBI/etc have access to pictures, video, and GPS from most of the civilian phones and cameras there. If so, it will be interesting whether they can identify almost everyone there and their positions at any time.
Interesting contrast between these identified guys and the antifa crowd. The former seem like role-playing dress-up dudes. The latter, too, but dress in ninja outfits that cover the face, and (I’m guessing) don’t carry phones/GPS/personal-tracking-devices. It’s not hard to think of ways to defeat such efforts to hide identities. But still. Lotta work. I wonder if much of that work is already automated in the Capitol environs.
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Trump refuses to denounce white supremacists then tells the Proud Boys to “stand by”.
When Trump called for the January 6 “wild” protest, the Proud Boys took that as a personal message from Trump to act.
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Saying “Sure” is an odd refusal.
I’m not plugged in to the Proud Boy network, so must defer to those who are. And did they said “wild” was a message to them to act? Or are we going with the word of someone whose knowledge of Proud Boys matches my own?
More refusals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc&feature=youtu.be
Thanks. My Google skills failed me. I disavow them – my skills, that is.
…..We don’t have to guess what these fifteen men and women discussed on the eve of the insurrection, however, as the Omaha World Herald already reported on what Herbster and his compatriots were doing: “discuss[ing] how to pressure more members of Congress to object to the Electoral College results that made Joe Biden the winner.”
This seeming footnote in a mid-size newspaper may become one of the most startling revelations of the ongoing federal criminal investigation of the January 6 insurrection: it means that one of the organizers of the now-infamous Stop the Steal/March to Save America event met with Trump’s top advisers and family members—and possibly, if a speakerphone was employed, Trump himself—on the night before the insurrection to discuss how to “pressure more members of Congress to object to the Electoral College results that made Joe Biden the winner.” It also means that the organizer of the Jericho March, Flynn, which had been timed to coincide with the Stop the Steal/March to Save America, also met with this corps of Trump advisers to discuss how to “pressure more members of Congress.” And for reasons we still don’t know—but perhaps can guess at—the fifteen (minimum) participants at the meeting decided that they couldn’t meet in the White House. A call from the hotel to Alexander may offer an explanation for this.
Not only does this meeting appear to confirm that Trump’s team helped orchestrate the events of January 6, but that it participated in the calibration of those events to exert maximum “pressure” on members of Congress in the midst of them executing a grave constitutional duty. Moreover, it participated in that calibration in the presence of a member of the United States Senate, who was therefore—we can now conclude, from the reporting of the Omaha World Herald—working in private with the president’s team to advise Trump on how to generate that maximum pressure on his Senate peers….
At that meeting on January 5th, in person
Donald Trump Jr., eldest son of the president
Eric Trump, second-eldest son of the president
Michael Flynn, former National Security Advisor to the president
Peter Navarro, Assistant to the President, Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy, and National Defense Production Act Policy Coordinator
Corey Lewandowski, 2016 Trump campaign manager
David Bossie, 2016 Trump deputy campaign manager
Adam Piper, executive director of the Republican Attorneys General Association
Tommy Tuberville, United States senator from the State of Alabama
According to research by political strategist and regular CNN, MSNBC, The Hill, CBS, and Fox News contributor Cheri Jacobus, Txtwire CEO Daniel Beck claims he was at the January 5 meeting also, and that additional attendees at the gathering included the following three people:
Rudy Giuliani, personal attorney to the President of the United States
Kimberly Guilfoyle, girlfriend of Donald Trump Jr.
Michael Lindell, Trump donor and MyPillow CEO
“Kimberly Guilfoyle, girlfriend of Donald Trump Jr.”
Am I strange if I find this borderline hilarious?
You might recall, this was exactly the group in the tent at the speech stage yukking it up and high fiving at the coverage of the attack on the capitol.
At that point, it was a “job well done”
And, my guess is that the paper clutched in Mike Lindell’s hand, was the working paker of the insurrection.
It will be interesting if the fbi can trace where all these guys were getting money.
The Hyatt Hotels in D.C. were big beneficiaries of the right-wing rallies over the past 4 months there. No mask rule enforcement – customer-guests happy! Even Nicholas Fuentes stayed there! Illinois Governor J.B. Fatso happy, laughing all the way to the bank!
It took till this past week for my brother to finally admit the proud boys were a domestic terror organization. Until then he thought the real threat was Antifa. So maybe these videos and reporting serve a point even if it can seem futile
my brother who was sticking with the republicans longer than i did said bluntly between trump and the proud boy the GOP won’t be back in power for a long time
Ignoring one because the other exists is foolish.
They’re both threats.
I live near Portland. On a day-to-day basis, I’m more concerned with Antifa.
Proud Boys were emboldened by Trump’s words for 4 years.
For Antifa his words were fuel on the fire.
The new future for American Presidents–pull as much shit as you want during the last month in office. Load up a truck with gold from Ft. Knox. Sell pardons to the highest bidder. Sell some surplus military hardware. Get blackmail material from the NSA computers. Force that pretty gal to suck your ***. Trump’s proven that the President cannot be held liable for acts comitted as a President and once you’re out of office there are no consequences.
yayayay Put it all to rest: What if all /every one of the protesters were black?
I don’t know, what? A massacre where Trump himself stood over their bodies and belly-laughed at all the cameras. I bet that’s what would of happened….
Spazzo 2024 ?
Alfred E Newman – 2024!
“When Trump called for the January 6 “wild” protest, the Proud Boys took that as a personal message from Trump to act.”
“When Schumer declared Antifa was just an idea, the rioters took that as a green light for more mayhem.”
Two comparable statements. The difference is the Republicans condemned the singular event. Democrats only justified their summer of mayhem.
As you can see, Biden’s presidential campaign is still in gear.
The Proud Boys and Antifa are more alike than they are different. Both are accelerationists… people who think the country is in collapse…and that it’s a good idea to do anything they can to speed that process up…..they just have different fantasies about what comes AFTER the country disintegrates into complete chaos.
And they are both equally wrong….both about the collapse….and about what would be the outcome of the collapse they want….
They are both terrorist organizations…..not because some government says so….but because they act just like the terrorists we’ve known before….IRA, Black September, Al Quaeda, ISIS….
“The Proud Boys and Antifa are more alike than they are different.”
Agreed! They both need to be scrutinized by the FBI. Not just one of them. The fact that Antifa attacks were well planned and I haven’t heard of any supporters getting investigated/jailed after a summer of mayhem, makes one loose faith in the bureaucracy whose salaries are payed by US citizens. Not to mention that the present VP openly tweeted a bail out fund for the rioters. Disgusting…
It’s a major failing… But Antifa is smarter than the Proud Boys in a couple of ways….one way is by claiming not to be an organization…..the other is that they glommed on to BLM protests, which were very widely perceived as just and necessary……by liberal leaning people who really don’t read the fine print.
Viral videos lead to laser focus on a relatively small number of bad actors. We have 44 million arrests in this country in a year and many more confrontations with cops that don’t quite get to that point……and ONLY a thousand people killed by cops in a year, many of who are actually white too, as it turns out…..but nobody knows that, or even believes it if you show them the stats.
Police violence as of 2109 was at 30 year lows….we should actually be proud of that.
Instead we have false narratives perpetuated by social media.
Agree with your take but had to laugh at “Antifa is smarter than…” Rocks?? I think all of the evidence suggests that most of the IQs of both Antifa and Proud Boys fall in the 70-80 range. I can never unsee the video of that girl in black armor and helmet trying to break through plywood by hitting it over and over with … a paint can.
Probably “smart” was a poor choice of words…..how about more tactically savvy?
Street revolutions don’t seem to the dominated by those bound for grad school, do they.
“Agree with your take but had to laugh at “Antifa is smarter than…” Rocks?? I think all of the evidence suggests that most of the IQs of both Antifa and Proud Boys fall in the 70-80 range. I can never unsee the video of that girl in black armor and helmet trying to break through plywood by hitting it over and over with … a paint can.”
OK, timeout, ya got me chuckling as I suddenly realize you’re right, and that I’m engaging in serious debate about these folks.
On either side, they’re unquestionably the most impressionable, lowest IQ folks on either side, and here we are debating them as more than just a public nuisance.
They don’t represent any major voting demographic, they’re little more than a divisive distraction, caricatures of reality.
I still think Washington was hoping that people would storm the Capitol to justify a slew of reactions, and like the dummies they are, groups like the Proud Boys obliged. They bungled into the building with no aim other than creating a spectacle. The whole thing was idiotic.
Then the narrative that Antifa dressed up as MAGA people crumbled quickly under scrutiny. Less than a day after her death, so-called allies denounced Ashli Babbitt as a communist despite her social media accounts already being known to the public, and now the identities of many others have come to light.
Okay, that post WASN’T meant as a reply to RunnerDan, but rather to Mish’s article. Evidently I can’t post right to save my life today, so I should stop. Bring back the edit button as soon as you can, Mish!
Sorry who is Antifa? They seem to be spoken here like they are an organised group.
Most ‘antifa’ are a figment of far right imagination. A label applied to an imaginary groups involved in protests of ‘left’ causes to demonise and to create the illusion of a larger organised far left. The reality is they don’t exist as a ‘group’.
Sure there are radical left intent on violent confrontation in protests. Likewise there are plenty of hangers on willing to loot or cause trouble for their own benefits. But that is completely organised groups like the Proud Boys.
“who is Antifa?” The people smashing shit up every other day in Portland and Seattle? Not imaginary. And not “left”, they are anarchists who, as Eddie_T said, glommed onto BLM protests for convenient cover.
As per Snopes with respect to Antifa involvement in the BLM protests last summer ………..
“Trump claimed members of the movement were responsible for acts of vandalism during the May and June 2020 protests against police brutality in the U.S., but in at least one case a white supremacist group was found to have posed as antifa on Twitter. Groups associated with both right and left, not just antifa, are being accused of inciting violence and looting during the protests. In most cases it is difficult to ascertain that antifa is solely responsible for the lawless activities occurring at some protests, and the culprits are still being investigated, as Keith Ellison, Minnesota’s attorney general, observed on NBC’s “Meet the Press”:
“The truth is, nobody really knows …There’s been a lot of videotape taken by demonstrators of people who are very suspicious, who really did start breaking windows … There have been other photographs of cars with no license plates. Very suspicious behavior.”
It would all have to be investigated, he said.”
Stands to reason there are agent provocateurs on both fringes. It’s a tradition as old as history. The arsons in the Pacific Northwest last year would seem to show some sort of coordination, what group gets attached to that?
As for the AG in MN – “In most cases it is difficult to ascertain that antifa is solely responsible for the lawless activities occurring…”
Golly, who was saying persons affiliated with that entity were solely responsible for anything? Opportunities like what happened last year attract a wide cast of characters who embrace the anonymity of a crowd to do a little ransacking. Why frame it that way?
The thing that is humorous here is that while, clearly both antifa and proud boys (to the extent they both exist) are both evil, and both fascists, yet people are oddly reluctant to condemn both equally. If someone doesn’t believe one exists, they should add “but to the extent they do, they are just as evil”.
Runner Dan, your comparison between Trump’s call for a “wild” protest, and Shumer delaring that antifa is merely an idea is a false equality. Had Trump denied the existence of “proud boys” and ignored them, the that would have been equal. Trump did not deny them, nor ignore them. Rather, he gave them a specific command to “stand down, and to stand by”, meaning “back off for now, and I’ll tell you when to act”. Then, he told them to act on January 6. Shumer has not, to my knowledge, instructed antifa where and when to attack, so there is no equality.
The majority of Republican Senators have voted against impeachment.
The Republicans have spoken–and it’s all fine.
My serious question–what are the rock-bottom, unchangeable principles of the Republican party?
Are there any left after Trump?
Money talks and bullshit walks.
The real rich shouldn’t have to pay these pesky taxes.
A red silk tie look really good with a black Brooks Brothers suit and shiny black shoes.
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“The Republicans have spoken–and it’s all fine.”
What is “it’s”? The Republicans condemned the “insurrection”, so it’s not fine. They want the criminals who went against Trump’s request for a “peaceful protest” prosecuted. Unlike the Dem’s and their rioter-looters.
Chuckling as I recall watching the video of Trump & clan celebrating as they watch real-time footage of rioters breaching the capitol building while requests for help from the national guard were being denied simultaneously.
…The Republicans condemned the “insurrection”..
Aboslute BS!!
A fraction of the Republicans condemned the actions of the people in the Capitol.
“lawless” “unAmerican” “dangerous”
The majority are fine with Trump before, during and after the insurrection.
In fact, how many Republicans actiually used the term “insurrection?
I guarantee yiou, none.
So please don’t try to pull your petty ass BS on people who are awake.
To be precise, they vote that they don’t believe it is constitutional to impeach Trump after he has left office, which is not the same thing as saying that Trump is innocent. To be honest, I’m not sure at all that it is constitutional to impeach after he has left office, and I wish they had called a special session and fast-tracked the vote so as to get it done while he was still in office.
Since the motion did not pass, there will be a trial, and we will see if the vote is the same.
Rand Paul cited “…shall be removed from office..” as rationale to call it “unconstitutional”, that removal from office is a prerequisite for impeachment.
The full wording – “shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”
Would point to removal as a punitive result of impeachment and conviction, not a prerequisite.
Why does no one here know what impeachment is? He has been impeached a second time by the House. Before he left office. The only question is if the Senate will convict him.
There is no “real” difference between the Repubs and Democats. Yes you get sucked into all the BS talk that goes on but how they govern the country there is very little difference. They argue about things that matter but don’t. But both continue to spend money we do not have because neither can make the hard decisions required to get the boat back on course. Plus they are getting wealthy playing the game and printing money and making new laws how anyone that thinks they give a “hoot” about us I have no idea.
It looks like Trump is going to stay in the Republican party and try to primary whomever voted/votes to remove him. This is good news for Democrats in 2022. Expect more Senate seats to flip to Dems then and more house seats to go Democratic in 2022. Trump is going to be the gift that keeps on giving. Being a Republican is going to become more not less difficult.
“It looks like Trump is going to stay in the Republican party and try to primary whomever voted/votes to remove him. This is good news for Democrats in 2022.”
It’s also good news for the Dems if he remains active and continues to link apathy toward racism/extremism to his base, a Trump endorsement is toxic as is.
Moderates account for 41% of the vote, Republicans 25%, Dems 31%.
The GOP needs some of that 41%, Trump has alienated them.
Biden can appeal to them by simply avoiding any extreme legislation over the next 2 years.
As long as Biden stays boring it’s a win, and man, Biden is definitely boring.
Yep. Biden is like a librarian. He is exactly the perfect President the Dems and the country need. Biden knows what’s important and what’t not important. I predict he will attract back white middle class voters over the next two years. Things are looking up in 2021 and 2022 on many fronts. Trump bungled his big opportunity in 2020 by not wearing a mask and not letting experts do their jobs. The (R) is going to make people think of Riot and not Republican.
Old expression in sales – “A good salesman knows when to leave town, a good Con-man never has to.”
After decades, Trump isn’t leaving town, out of habit doesn’t realize he needs to.
I predicted Biden would govern somewhere between Obama and Trump. I predict it will be more like the Clinton era with people of all sorts supporting him because they want a country and not a riot or overthrow of government. Trump is bad news for Republicans even at state and local levels.
To follow up, I agree with the Republican representative from Illinois, Adam Kinzinger, who said the Republican party has to be rescued and taken back from Trump. Ben Sasse, Mitt Romney and a handful or two of other Republicans agree with this. As long as Trump is vocal and alive, he is going to be the face of the Republican party in every campaign going forward. Expect Texas to turn blue come 2022 along with other states that were traditionally red. Cruz, Cornyn and other senators from states that moderated in 2020 and going to find themselves in trouble.
Busted.
Trump obviously got a lot of juice from having a bunch of thugs ready to move on his command…enough that he never wanted to really distance himself from them…..even though it was obvious they were pro-violence, motivated by racism and secessionist rhetoric, etc…..
Any sane President would have made really sure to avoid an association with a group like that…..might as well have been the Klan, fwiw. But Trump is such a power tripper. It appealed to him…..like having his own little brown shirt militia.
So he wound them up and turned them loose on the Senate….deliberately, after spending more than month lying and making shit up about the election….neglecting the business of the country while he met with any wingnut lawyer who had some crackpot theory on how to reverse the election.
I agree with people who say the burden of proof is too high for a court to prove something like conspiracy or incitement…but for an impeachment there really isn’t any burden of proof….just another popularity poll among Republican Senators….I guess we’ll see how cowardly the GOP is….
“I agree with people who say the burden of proof is too high for a court to prove something like conspiracy or incitement…but for an impeachment there really isn’t any burden of proof…”
I don’t think the Dems expected impeachment to get past the Senate.
The bigger picture is public sentiment regarding Republican leadership that backed Trump and the image that Republicans are now linked to these extremists.
This is a nasty predicament for the GOP, if Trump continues appealing to this segment of voters, all Biden has to do is maintain moderate support, avoid “perceived” extreme legislation and 2022 could be more blue.
2022 “tossup” category slightly favors Dems right now, if Trump finds a way to publicly broadcast, it will only hurt the GOP.
“Any sane President would have made really sure to avoid an association with a group like that…”
Please provide an instance when Biden specifically called out Antifa and BLM. Trump has on numerous occasions condemned white supremacists.
Let’s be honest, Trump plays games. He compliments Xi on becoming president for life, says maybe he should try it. “Joking”. Says he should have a third term. “Joking” Suggests ingesting disinfectant, “being sarcastic.”
Ya, he takes it back later. Called plausible deniability.
If you honestly believe Trump was aiming to be president for life, then you are just silly. Silly, silly, silly! Goodness…
Biden will never call out BLM….Antifa is a maybe, going forward. But if you want me to disagree in principle here…the truth is that I don’t.
The press hounded Trump endlessly about disavowing White Supremacy…… and he did…in so many words…..but he also kept saying things that let everyone know he was okay with groups like the Proud Boys….he was completely disingenuous.
The press is joyous about Biden’s virtue signaling and knee-taking stance of legitimizing BLM…..which is a major failing in my view. But black people got Biden elected…..and with George Floyd and many other viral videos stirring up people and making them stupid…..he gets mileage out of it. Maybe he even believes some of what he’s doing….but if you notice, there is more lip service than substance. That’s because his donor class’s agenda is the real agenda.
“Please provide an instance when Biden specifically called out Antifa and BLM. Trump has on numerous occasions condemned white supremacists.”
“Very fine people on both sides..” after the Fayetteville incident, despite viral releases of cell video’s of armed Neo-Nazi’s, KKK and numerous other hate groups aggressing peaceful protesters, the above video revisits his “stand down, stand by” answer to the question of his Proud Boys public policy statement.
Biden explicitly states ANTIFA isn’t actually “organized” in the debate Video above that Mish specifically asks us to watch.
For giggles, google “ANTIFA”, there’s no website, Wikipedia has this – “highly decentralized and comprises an array of autonomous groups”.
BLM is a movement that does not endorse nor condone violence, I might suggest a visit to their website, it’s pretty boring in that respect, seriously, boring “peace, love and understanding” kinda stuff.
While violent protestors have aligned themselves with BLM, BLM goes out of it’s way to distance itself from violent protests. No “very fine people..” statements, just condemning violence, no hinting at takeovers of government, nadda.
“BLM goes out of it’s way to distance itself from violent protests”
That is a laughable statement, given the events of the past year….and even before that. Do you know about Evergreen? U. of Kansas?
Eddie,
Just going to copy/paste what I just said in it’s entirety –
“While violent protestors have aligned themselves with BLM, BLM goes out of it’s way to distance itself from violent protests. No “very fine people..” statements, just condemning violence, no hinting at takeovers of government, nadda.”
Go to BLM’s website, copy/paste any pro-violence statement from it, do tell.
While there have been violent protests with people wearing “BLM” shirts or banners, after Floyd was killed explicitly, BLM condemned the violence.
The worst thing BLM did was the suggest defunding police, bad idea, but not a violent one.
No the worst thing BLM has done was try to hunt down Bret Weinstein on the Evergreen campus where he was on faculty, and try to beat him to death with baseball bats.
“No the worst thing BLM has done was try to hunt down Bret Weinstein on the Evergreen campus where he was on faculty, and try to beat him to death with baseball bats.”
Terrible, yes, and if you wouldn’t mind, just send me a link from BLM where they organized this, or at least a statement where they condone it….I just can’t find it myself.
How much time do you have? I can post more links than you can possibly read or listen to. Good ones.
Benjamin Boyce, who graduated from Evergreen, has documented the entire Evergreen Riot story. It is filled with actual video footage and first person interviews….people who were there….so you don’t have to actually talk anybody’s word for anything. Watch and learn.
This is Bret Weinstein testifying before Congress. It makes all the important points that need to be made about anti-racist activism, the social justice movement in general, and the rather disturbing anti-intellectual nature of both.
“How much time do you have? I can post more links than you can possibly read or listen to. Good ones.”
Eddie, yes, very entertaining stuff.
Again, just give me one link, interview or quote from a member of the BLM organization that condones violence, that suggests BLM wants violence or destruction of property.
You’re posting testimonials of violence at the protests, witness opinions, yes, very entertaining.
All you’ve posted so far is tantamount to witnesses of UFO siting’s, they swear it!, they just know it was aliens!
Let’s see the lil’ green men you speak of….not testimonials of perceived lil’ green men, but the real goods, BLM itself promoting violence, not opinions or testimonials based on anecdotal observations.
It never fails to amaze me how people can convince themselves that whatever narrative they want to believe in is the correct one.
What I posted was live video feeds from a campus riot…..many of them made by the social justice warriors themselves……capturing a real university president giving in, over and over, to the most ridiculous demands….in the interest what he perceived as anti-racism.
You didn’t watch much of it, apparently. It speaks for itself.
The videos clearly demonstrate what happened. There are no UFO’s…just college student witnesses to a Mao style attack on an intelligent liberal leaning college professor who was just trying to be heard.
It is EXACTLY like what the Red Guard did in China in the mid 1960’s,,,when college professors were dragged out of their offices and summarily shot….people were sent to prison for the sin of wearing glasses, for instance….
This was way before your Tiananmen Sqare phot op that you want to cite……the Red Guard killed millions of people between 1966 and 1976…..nobody even knows how many even.
You are just another clueless guy who doesn’t know his history. Just like most people flogging their narrative on the internet.
That was Congress….Bret was testifying under oath before the US Congress……no UFO’s…just the sad truth of a dark day in America.
“It never fails to amaze me how people can convince themselves that whatever narrative they want to believe in is the correct one.”
Eddie, one more time, you’ve made accusations that BLM is a violent organization.
Give me just one official statement from BLM to prove it.
Yes, protesters at a BLM event got violent, yes, a guy said dumb things, yes, but show me a BLM statement condoning violence and you win!
I don’t want to win anything. I would like for you to understand that BLM…..and more broadly, the entire social movement that goes by the term anti-racism….is not what you probably think it is….that’s all.
Asking me to find a “an official statement from BLM “ that calls for violence…..is just silly.
Whether they condone violence or not….I doubt they’d advertise it on their website.
I can show you a video where one of the founders refers to herself and her colleague as “trained Marxists”.
I can show you the financial statements from the non-profit that point to self-enrichment on the part of the BLM leadership.
I can put up a number of decent videos that do a good job critiquing all the popular anti-racist pop stars who are getting tons of accolades and making bank, leading completely gullible guilty white people down the garden path.
But you don’t want to know. You think you have a handle on BLM and anti-racism. So why should I even waste my time…talking to some guy who just wants to win points on a blog forum? I really don’t care what you think. You’ve written enough that I know you buy into what I’d call a popular delusion. Good luck.
“I don’t want to win anything. I would like for you to understand that BLM…..and more broadly, the entire social movement that goes by the term anti-racism….is not what you probably think it is….that’s all”
Eddie, to be clear, not trying to get your goat, but “is not what you probably think it is” is the exact point I’m attempting to make with you.
Antifa, Qanon, Proud Boys, yes they openly promote violence. (Though ANTIFA isn’t actually “organized”, no leadership, just random individuals labelling themselves as such)
BLM, however, does not, they’re organized, they list their membership/leadership.
Yes, there have been violent protestors, some wearing “BLM” shirts or logo’s, but BLM itself discourages violence.
In this day/age, I feel it very important to not label without empirics.
Are you old enough to remember the Chinese Cultural Revolution and the Red Guard?
Because BLM is the Red Guard…our homegrown version….a Marxist anti-intellectual movement whose aim is to re-indoctrinate American society. They are well on their way.
“Are you old enough to remember the Chinese Cultural Revolution and the Red Guard?”
Eddie, seriously, you’re conflating a social movement created to protest unnecessary police killing of black people with a Communist uprising…a “redress of grievance” isn’t a Communist uprising.
I DO remember a Communist China image, one of a single student in front of a government tank, remember that one?
Seriously, that’s ridiculous.
People who were affected by the Red Guard and the Cultural Revolution have no difficulty connecting the dots with BLM. Here’s another link for you make fun of……written by the child of a Chinese man who was there…it’s an opinion piece, sure, but it makes excellent points.
Most people, yourself included, really don’t know much about BLM…….you’re just a liberal who wants to acknowledge that racism is still a problem in this country….which describes a broad swathe of the US public……and you support BLM because you think blacks still get a raw deal. The George Floyd videos, and other similar viral videos are proof enough for you that racists are under every rock in this country…..
It’s common. That’s what my wife thinks…..but she and you and many others are missing the forest for the trees on this.
The problem with Trump is that he rarely means anything he says, good or bad. It’s part of his 4D chess charm that he flip flops constantly.
Remember, this is that same guy who said both “I love WikiLeaks” and later “I know nothing about WikiLeaks”.
Comment above was meant to be a reply to RunnerDan.
Defenders of the assault have no concept of reality or history. Both of which will eternally heavily condemn this insurrection. Really a shame for OUR Capital.
IMO, after decades of post LBJ Republicans appealing to old school Dixiecrats by linking social entitlements to immigrants and minorities as rationale for cuts to entitlements to offset tax cuts for wealthy campaign donors, Trump may have pushed it to such an extreme that Republicans can no longer even hint at immigration reform or social entitlement cuts.
Trump blew the chance to delineate his party from racists/extremists when he reacted to the woman in Fayetteville killed with his “Very fine people..” comment.
“Trump blew the chance to delineate his party from racists/extremists when he reacted to the woman in Fayetteville killed with his “Very fine people..” comment.”
Artfully taken out of context by the MSM and it duped a lot of dupes, unfortunately.
‘ “Trump blew the chance to delineate his party from racists/extremists when he reacted to the woman in Fayetteville killed with his “Very fine people..” comment.”
Artfully taken out of context by the MSM and it duped a lot of dupes, unfortunately.”
I watched him say it live, no context, no editing, he actually said that when asked to condemn protestors who wore racist logo’s.
He had a chance to distance himself & his party, he chose to say “very fine people on both sides”.
I can’t believe people are still using that “very fine people” thing as proof of Trump’s alleged racism and white supremacy. Maybe just take a step back from hating the guy and read the transcript with the quote in context.
Biden’s “If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.” quote is far more inflammatory IMO and yet where’s the outrage and calls of racism?
Trump was asked to condemn the violent racist protesters @ Fayetteville, he responded “There are very fine people on both sides”
Biden in a real time interview with a black journalist “If you have a problem figuring out if you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black” referencing Trumps record of avoiding condemning racist groups.