Trump’s Pennsylvania Appeal Blasted Sky High
Please consider Third Circuit Rejects Trump’s Appeal in Broad Challenge to Pa. Election by Law.Com.
Circuit Judge Stephanos Bibas said there was no evidence to support the campaign’s argument that, based on alleged restrictions on its poll watchers, and measures taken to allow voters to cure defective ballots, the election was tilted against it.
Bibas is a Trump appointee. The decision is non-precedential.Bibas said the lawsuit only raises issues of state law and fails to raise any federal discrimination claims, therefore the lower court acted correctly in dismissing the lawsuit last week.
“The campaign never alleges that any ballot was fraudulent or cast by an illegal voter. It never alleges that any defendant treated the Trump campaign or its votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or its votes,” Bibas said in the 21-page ruling. “Calling something discrimination does not make it so.”
“I don’t want to pretend that, at the U.S. Supreme Court, it’s all law and politics has nothing to do with it … but you’re talking about a whole different scale here,” Duquesne Law professor Bruce Ledewitz, who focuses on constitutional law, told The Legal following Brann’s ruling. “He will be asking the U.S. Supreme Court to break all precedent, to find something where there’s nothing there, and to do what no other court’s done.”
Actual Ruling Page 20 and 21
Voters, not lawyers, choose the President. Ballots, not briefs, decide elections. The ballots here are governed by Pennsylvania election law. No federal law requires poll watchers or specifies where they must live or how close they may stand when votes are counted. Nor does federal law govern whether to count ballots with minor state-law defects or let voters cure those defects. Those are all issues of state law, not ones that we can hear. And earlier
lawsuits have rejected those claims.Seeking to turn those state-law claims into federal ones, the Campaign claims discrimination. But its alchemy cannot transmute lead into gold. The Campaign never alleges that any ballot was fraudulent or cast by an illegal voter. It never alleges that any defendant treated the Trump campaign or its votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or its votes. Calling something discrimination does not make it so. The Second Amended Complaint still suffers from these core defects, so granting leave to amend would have been futile.
And there is no basis to grant the unprecedented injunction sought here. First, for the
reasons already given, the Campaign is unlikely to succeed on the merits. Second, it shows no irreparable harm, offering specific challenges to many fewer ballots than the roughly 81,000-vote margin of victory. Third, the Campaign is responsible for its delay and repetitive litigation. Finally, the public interest strongly favors finality, counting every lawful voter’s vote, and not disenfranchising millions of Pennsylvania voters who voted by mail. Plus, discarding those votes could disrupt every other election on the ballot.
Here is the full Ruling by the Third Circuit Court of Appeals.
Reasons Why the Supreme Court Won’t Get Involved
- Election law is a state issue. Giuliani tried multiple times in multiple states to make federal law an issue. He failed in every attempt.
- Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and Nevada have all certified the election for Biden.
- Trump needs to succeed in not one case in one state, but in multiple cases in multiple states. The Supreme Court is likely to reject hearing cases on grounds they are moot.
Point three is a denial of writ of certiorari because the case is moot, that is, the Supreme Court will refuse to take the case because decision will make no difference in the outcome of the election.
I commented on the writ of certiorari in Voters, Not Lawyers, Choose the President.
I do so again to discuss the Law.Com opinion as mentioned by the appeals court regarding the fact this is a state issue.
Reflections on Media Bias and Trump’s Strategy
Trump Cult Syndrome
Every day I am told the the Supreme Court will decide this for Trump. I have a huge collection of “just wait and see” bookmarks saved up.
Here’s a typical comment from today.
The clear fact of the matter is Team Trump led by Rudy Giuliani presented and lost every case in ways practically begging the Supreme Court not to hear them!
And it was a Trump-appointed lawyer who issued this latest scathing blast at Rudy Giuliani.
Even still, the believers march on.
Trump’s legal team knew this was futile (or they are even more incompetent than I thought).
That’s why a number prominent law firms dropped out of these cases leaving the #1 lap dog, Rudy Giuliani dangling in the wind by himself.
Post-election, Trump’s legal strategy is not to win and never was. The strategy is to pretend there is a case so the other lap dogs will continue to suck up the Kool-Aid working up the cult followers to a feverish pitch in hopes of casting doubt on the election.
That strategy was arguably a success.
If you actually believe it’s likely the Supreme Court will hand this election to Trump, please look in the mirror to see someone with TCS.
Mish
“C’mon man! I stole this election fair and square!”
Ignorant foreigner tossing his lot in with the ignorant nationals.
Pot stirring, to what end?
Not enough stupidity in dear old blighty?
Afraid the US is falling behind?
You really don’t like me, do you njbr. Poor old chap! Lol
It is not that no one likes you. It is that you don’t ever bring data to the table. In god we trust, all others, bring the data.
Here you are Lance … proof from the horses mouth himself in the run-up to the election. “We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.” Can’t get much clearer data than that, can you matey?! ROFLMAO
Henry, anything, please anything https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/viral-posts-take-biden-quote-on-voter-fraud-out-of-context/
BTW: the fact you reiterate idiocy does not look good.
Oh, I SEE. Voter fraud PREVENTION. Who’d have thunk it??? Well, I guess black really is white. All the best.
I don’t like stupidity and the pushing of absolutely false narratives.
And you, having absolutely no understanding or background in the US election system, bring ignorance also to the table.
So your comments on the US system of elections is a nadir of public self-abasement.
Have some standards beyond being a quacking duck.
Comment on something you know of, or understand.
“I have a huge collection of “just wait and see” bookmarks saved up.”
Why? To what end? So one can say “I told you so”, once this has played out to its end, to people who will only harbour grater resent for it? How is this helpful? I fail to see how this accomplishes anything but massaging delicate egos.
I’d suggest instead to direct that effort towards better writing, or to narrowing the gaping chasm that separates your people and threatens to undo the USA we grew up admiring.
Stop throwing gas on the fire.
My wife had her first exposure to a friend that has TDS, and she was shocked. I on the other hand I read the crazies on ZH and here, so I have heard some of the conspiracies.
In a 20 minute conversation the following unsolicited issues got brought up.
Covid is fake.
She doesn’t wear a mask or do social distancing because well Covid is fake.
She won’t take a Covid vaccine because Bill Gates has made it and it will change her DNA.
She will take the “Trump Vaccine”, why she would do that when it is “fake” is beyond my understanding.
She is hosting a large Thanksgiving gathering with no social distancing and no masks.
Dem leaders kill babies and drink their blood.
The election was rigged.
The voting machines are from George Soros and changed Trump votes to Biden votes.
There was much more, but this post will be long enough as is.
The whole conversation this lady was absolutely angry, full of rage. She told my wife to stop arguing with her, to which my wife replied that she was not arguing with her (I was listening and she made no arguments, just asked if she was going to take the vaccine when available)
TDS peeps are going crazy, literally batshit crazy. Republican leadership needs to step up and put an end to this nonsense. We are losing family and friends to this literal insanity.
TDS peeps are informed in talking points to defend their craziness. When my wife would attempt to question anything she had some insane, fake, made up, counterpoint. You cannot have a debate with someone who just makes shit up.
“You cannot have a debate with someone who just makes shit up.” Exactly the situation we have been in for four years.
Burning down the house….
At a RNC event for the GOP candidates in GA….
McDaniel is being peppered with questions about the accusations about fraud.
One suggested that the voting machines counted votes that weren’t there.
McDaniel conceded- the audit did not show that.
Crowd did not like the response.
Another person asks- “Why should we vote in this election when we know it’s already decided?”
McDaniel responded- “It’s not!”
(This btw.. is the GOP’s worst nightmare in Georgia).
One person from the crowd yells out as McDaniel was speaking-
“Kemp is a crook!!”
(Brian Kemp is the GOP Governor and a committed Trump supporter)
McDaniel is now pleading with the crowd to focus their energy on the Senate race and promises of they will worry about Election fraud issues “later”.
As McDaniel wraps up her remarks she tells the crowd she will tell the President about how fired up the crowd was. The crowd erupts in a “Trump, Trump, Trump” chant.
Remember she was here in support of Perdue and Loeffler.
A true sign of derangement is thinking that everyone is out to get you…
So far 38 cases, and counting, have been laughed out of court because when you stand in front of a judge you have to tell the truth and present evidence. Even Trump appointed judges are laughing at Trump’s cases.
Diaper Don is on Fox News this morning talking to the moeny honey about “big massive dumps”.
Evidence please!!
Show us the pampers, errr, papers.
What is amazing is this unprecedented army of lawyers and activists have come up completely empty handed given a difficult election with record turnout. You would think they could have found something interesting. At this point, as I understand it, the latest theory is that George Soros reanimated Hugo Chavez. Chavez then flew, Santa Claus like, from precinct to precinct on election eve with his trusty screwdriver to rig the voting machines for Biden. Do I have it right?
Most of the dozens of lawsuits Trump and allies have filed can be described in one word, cavil. No way the Supreme court involves itself
Missing the forest for the trees.
The point is not whether there was or was not demonstrable fraud or whether the CFR will get all their picks in a Biden cabinet and the wheels of justice grind in habitual ways.
The point is legitimacy, which like value, rests on subjective judgement. The elections were not conducted in a way that convinced people. Period. Full Stop.
People can blame and impugn the intelligence of the deplorables as much as they want, but the fact is that a large proportion of the populate remain unconvinced despite the unanimous media messaging. Hence, there is no mandate to rule with the consent of the governed. Force will rule the subjects instead.
That outcome could easily have been avoided by running elections in the same way that any number of other developed countries do. And there have been decades of advance warning.
Exactly right. I am a Trump supporter, but I would accept a Biden victory, if there no doubt that he won, but there is waaaaay too much doubt. Then there was all the ridiculous activist polling (that MISH sadly fell for) that had Trump being way far behind…that surely served to sway votes because when people are truly undecided, they tend to vote for the guy they think is “supposed to” win. Then there was the illegal cover-up of the Hunter Biden story by Social Media platforms who are by law not allowed to be journalists nor censors, so that move was tantamount to election tampering. There’s a multitude of reasons why I don’t “believe” that Biden is actually the President of the United States…and that is the problem, the election of a US President should absolutely NEVER be an issue of “belief”. There needs to be ID-verifiable elections from here on in, and no baloney “servers” that can be programmed by human beings in counties which are known to be corrupt. Vote and count the we always have. This mail-in election was such a perfectly designed blow to incumbent and sure-thing Trump that the entire timing of the bug itself seems awfully suspect to me, to be perfectly honest.
“Then there was all the ridiculous activist polling that Mish Fell for”
What about all the absurd polling by Trafalgar? Did you fall for it?
The fact is, Silver beat Trafalgar by a mile. Moreover you don’t seem to know a damn thing about odds.
Biden was so far ahead in the polls that he won despite big polling errors. That’s why I was confident Biden would win. But yes, it was closer than I thought percentage wise, but well within expected norms by Electoral College.
Biden won with ZERO doubt.
If you have doubts about who won, look in the mirror to find someone with TCS.
So tired of Trump supporters thinking they are being original making statements like, “Trump should move on BUT there were a lot of irregularities”…and then can’t point to any irregularities or if they do identify a few, I throw just as many incidents of GOP fraud back at them. And then they try the Dominion voting system argument but have no response to the fact that 27% of FL’s counties (mostly all Red) use Dominion. And, mention that we should be relieved that our new safeguards worked, and there was no foreign interference…and it is almost as if Russia interference never happened.
Trump’s been screaming since before the election that the only way he could lose is if the election is rigged. He told his supporters to vote in person, while democrats were encouraged to vote by mail. Then, to add insult to injury, several states like Pennsylvania did not allow the mail in ballots to be counted until Election Day. Trump and his Republican allies set it up so it would look suspicious, that Trump was ahead significantly after the in person votes were tabulated, but then slowly lose his lead as the mail in votes were counted later. And he has done nothing but scream that the election was fraudulent since Election Day. The fact that trump on his own has created this chaos does not lead to the conclusion that the election is faulty. He is just a monumental sore loser, now doing a great deal of damage to the legitimacy of the Biden presidency. That is enormously unfortunate, and inexcusable, but does not mean Biden was elected illegitimately. Trump supporters now claim they don’t need evidence to invalidate the election, that just because it has the “appearance” of illegitimacy is reason enough to let the House decide. Well, who created that appearance? 40 or so court cases, and no proof of fraud, not even a real allegation of fraud. The lawyers scream “fraud” in front of the TV cameras, but when push comes to shove in a court of law, they say it is not a fraud case. Those with TCS are going to have to get over it. Somehow. Meanwhile, trump is trying to steal this election by claiming, with no proof, that the other guy stole the election. In my book, this is treason. He has no regard for the well being of this country or anyone in it except himself.
You’re free to believe all that if you wish. Yes a lot of what you say is factual (and is not news to me), but it doesn’t change the fact that this election was far too loosey goosey to Biden to ever be considered a legitimately leader, regardless of Trump’s obvious shenanigans. I had no problem accepting Obama as the actual president so I’d have no problem accepting Biden had he won his victory in a TRUSTWORTHY election.
No one had a problem until Trump started undermining it. If there is no fraud there is no issue
A lot of the people I read had ridiculous expectations to begin with. Many on ZH were predicting Trump would win 40+ states, some of them were even surprised Biden took California! Way too many people expected a landslide in Trump’s favor, so when it was close they automatically assumed fraud.
Higher than normal absentee voting didn’t help matters, but the onus is on Trump, Powell, or whoever to prove the fraud they allege took place. So far they’re not having much success. We were warned beforehand that the absentee ballots were likely to favor Biden.
While it’s true that people should be able to trust the legitimacy of the political process, it’s on them if they have unreasonable expectations. Personally, I would not have been surprised by a victory either way, but then again I’m not a dumb red/blue apologist. Both candidates are deeply flawed and there are plenty of reasons to vote against either one.
I really don t understand your emotional, even fanatical, involvement 24/7 in this election farce… You won t tell where you from, although you stated it is NOT the US ….So only question remaining WHY …Boredom maybe ? ….and where you from of course…but you already knew that one….
my previous comment, the ‘I really don t understand ‘ one, was meant for my@Realist frend….
What exactly would you have changed? All voting is counted with both Republican and Democrat observers. All equipment is certified safe. This was probably the most closely observed election in history, and the one with the least fraud.
I can’t believe so many people donated to Sidney Powell’s fund. This conjures up old sayings about fools and their money.
Then there was that North Carolina guy who donated $2.5M to “True the Vote”. Once he realized it was hot air he decided to sue them, seeking a full refund.
People still donate to Jim Bakker.
SCOTUS wont touch this case. As the writer pointed out, this isn’t a case about ideology. It is, at its heart, a simple case about federal election law. And, as the all GOP appeals Court panel pointed out, the case is merely repackaged State Law claims over which Federal Court has no authority. There is nothing subjective here. Nothing for Justices to disagree on on ideological grounds. The State Supreme Court ruled on the issues in question. There are no grounds on which to question those rulings. Game Over.
It’s a good thing I’m not on the SCOTUS, because the way that Twitter and Facebook brazenly broke the law and censored stories about Hunter Biden was tantamount to result-changing election fraud in my mind and I would easily vote to invalidate the entire election and order another one, or default to what the Constitution prescribes for an invalid election.
Then you are a proven fool with a severe case of TCS.
This is why most of Trump’s lawsuits will fail. It’s called ‘laches’. The bottom line is that if you think there is a problem with how an election is being run, you need to go to court at that point to sue about it; you can’t wait to see how the election turns out and then do it.
Trump doesn’t care. He just wants to win.
Just for argument’s sake, the Supreme Court never should have taken up Bush v Gore either, but they did. They never should have decided Bush v Gore the way they did either, but they did. That said, they probably will dodge this, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they got involved – I don’t trust the impartiality of the Supreme Court anymore.
I agree that the Supreme Court had no business taking up Bush v. Gore. That said, the Florida Supreme Court had no business making the decision they did, either. The Florida decision was clearly partisan, and clearly wrong, but the US Supreme Court should have stayed within their limited authority, and let it stand. I have very mixed feelings about the whole matter, because it’s hard to say that a wrong decision should have been allowed to stand, but that’s how I feel.
In the US states can change their own constitution unconstitutionally, the judges overlook it, if people complain they get told it took too long for them to do so.
The US constitution has elected officials, including the president, that oversee the running of the whole country. The decision that body makes depends on its composition and majorities. If one state, unconstitutionally by its own constitution, sends representatives to federal level that are not fairly elected, they are able to tip the balance of majority, or at the least make federal decisions not representative of national will, so disenfranchising all voters.
That the federal supreme court would not consider this, would surprise me, but I guess you all know best how your country does or doesn’t work.
The states can determine how their elections are to be run. In this case, Pennsylvania made statutory changes that may or may not be constitutional under their state constitution. It is certainly possible to go to court to contest that statute, and to have it declared unconstitutional, and to have it overturned. There is a proper time to do that, however. You either have to do it before the election, or after it, and not in the middle of it.
What you absolutely can’t do, is to let the statute stay in place during the election, and then, if you don’t like the outcome, try to get the law changed retroactively to void votes. If that were allowed, then people who were told what the rules were to vote, and who voted according to those rules, would have their vote not count. There is nothing whatsoever equitable or fair about letting a person cast their vote according to the rules, and then yanking the rules out from under them, essentially saying “Haha! Tricked you. Lots of people fell into our trap, and now their vote doesn’t count, so we win after all.”
As far as the US Supreme Court, they have limited authority. They have no authority to overrule state law. If they are forced to rule on a matter that involved state law, their job becomes, not to determine what is right, but solely to determine how the state Supreme Court would likely rule if faced with the question. In this case, since the state Supreme Court has explicitly ruled already, there is nothing that the US Supreme Court will do to change it.
Mish, after 4 years of Biden in the White House where will the NASDAQ and S&P 500 be in December 2024? Any good LEAP call plays?
Every one can vote and out of US faked voters can vote too as they can send the faked paper ballot via mails. If the people in prisons can get unemployment benefits, then they can vote too as it is easy than to apply for UI benefits.
Soon, any thing via mail can be used to defraud and cheat as there is no way to verify/valid the truth, correctness as senders have nothing to lose.
The absentee votes via mail will be promoted as the tool of cheating.
Unemployment benefits, foodstamp, Medicare, Social Security, all other forms of money and benefits will be defrauded and cheated. No way you can stop with the current law as perjury/penalty is a joke for homeless, illegal immigrants, inmates as they have nothing to lose.
Did you work for Swank Audio Visuals circa 2000? I knew a Brian Henry there, but probably not you, I remember him being smarter.
LOL lol
Brian Henry, you should get ready to send out as many ballots as you can in 2022 if it’s so easy. I will be watching the news to see if I see you. 🙂
Yes. Imagine if cheques were subject to the same ‘precautions’ as elections.
Mish – since you made the claim – what’s a single racist statement Trump has made? I can name about four Biden has made in the last three months.
Very funny.
I have repeatedly asked people this question, always people are stymied.
The best they can come up with is the comment about Charlotteville which they all imagine is some kind of slam dunk.
To be true, Trump revealed himself to be a complete political idiot b/c he could have just said nothing and kept his mouth closed or utter some comforting platitude.
The thing with the Charlotsivlle comment is Trump stated, a mere sentence or two away that “Neo-nazis, white nationalists — they should be condemned fully.”
But of course that doesn’t fit the narrative so it was conveniently censored.
I don’t even LIKE Trump but the bias and narrative control from the media (social or otherwise) is extreme.
“But of course that doesn’t fit the narrative so it was conveniently censored.”
Do you really not get the difference between an unequivocal condemnation and one that is equivocal? Trump has yet to condemn the far-right domestic terrorists or white supremacists without inserting “but the left is bad too!”.
There is a reference to shithole countries in Africa but perhaps some do not view that as racist.
‘These aren’t people. These are animals.’
‘Proud boys: Stand back and stand by.’
Trump has repeatedly called COVID-19 the “Chinese virus”
He called for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States”
Also this
There effectively ARE ‘shit hole countries in Africa’, and Trump called Brussels a ‘hell hole’, we DO have muslim infested places there even the police prefer to stay clear of… Some people ARE animals,we all are in fact : Sapiens Apes ! ….and C19 IS a chinese virus, innit ? The truth is and should be discussable !
“we DO have muslim infested places there even the police prefer to stay clear of… ”
Kind of giving away the game by claiming “infested”.
“Some people ARE animals,we all are in fact “
You know damn well that’s not the implication Trump was giving that.
“innit”
You’re not from fucking Brussels.
The Proud Boys are not a racist organization. How many times does Enrique Tarrio and other non-white Proud Boy members have to repeat the same thing?
Why is the “Chinese Virus” any more racist than the “Spanish Flu”? In fact it’s more accurate since the latter actual didn’t start in Spain but rather the US where as far as we know covid did in fact come from China.
“These aren’t people. These are animals.” was clearly in the context of referring to Mexican and other latin american gangs and cartels.
Why don’t you give the complete quote? “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.” which was in the context of talking about islamic terrorism.
Nonsense, any simpleton can see that Trump classifies and considers people first by the color of their skin and not the integrity of their ideas. Anyone with half a brain can understand that that alone is a racist way of interacting with the world and a horrible position to dictate policy from.
Not to mention his genuine belief in eugenicist garbage evidenced here at a public rally he gave. Trump is racist and publicly peddles racist ideology.
Look no further than Trump’s team and those surrounding him in the WH. Not many people of color, other than his wait staff.
Trump on Mexican immigrants: …They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists… Note that he isn’t saying some are, he’s saying “They are” Of course, those suffering TCS wouldn’t think this is not a racist comment. For them I provide the following definition: Racist – Prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
Calling a US born federal judge whose family had to live on a military base for security against narcotrafficantes a “Mexican judge” comes to mind.
…the proud boys literally just had an internal coup where they declared full allegiance to nazi ideals and condemned Enrique Tarrio as a token appointment made to trick the left, what the actual fuck are you talking about?
“Why is the “Chinese Virus” any more racist than the “Spanish Flu”?”
…they’re both racist, and there’s a good reason why the WHO declines to name viruses by wear they were first discovered, because of the racist violence it engenders.
“which was in the context of talking about islamic terrorism.”
Still said to ban all muslims for it, and the countries he tried to implement the ban on were not even the ones sending us terrorists.
nice narrative but basically the proud boys kicked out an unhinged lunatic who has made grand claims about a coup.
He spent 3 million in Wisconsin to find 132 lost biden votes. Now thats a kick in the balls.
Does anyone know if he’s actually paid that money? His track record isn’t that good and that particular little detail.
That’s got to sting!
I was waiting for this
PA Sup Ct rejects latest GOP effort to overturn Biden victory in the state. Decision turns on Laches doctrine. ”If you think there is a problem with how an election is being run, you need to go to court at that point; you can’t wait to see how the election turns out.”
I predicted that would be the result before the election, if you recall. You can’t let people vote based on rules they are given, and then tell them, “yes, you followed the rules, but your vote doesn’t count anyway”.
Thanks for posting. First I’ve seen….been waiting to see if that one would get off the ground….you can see that they finally found one lower court judge who was willing…..just not one high enough up the food chain to matter. All these cases have been fishing expeditions to see if they could find a judge who would rule for Trump no matter what the law says.
I still doubt the lower court judge would have ultimately ruled for Trump.
There is another reason Trump keeps pushing doubt in the election he knows he lost. Trump is acting like a Televangelist. He set up a fund raising campaign to soak the TCS. All his big donors are gone but he can still make money from his uneducated base. He is not as rich as he claims to be. 75% of donations can go to his new political super pack which will be ran from his properties. The other 25% is going to his legal team (Giuliani). The angrier he can make his base, the more money he is making. Sad thing is his base is hurting from the pandemic and job losses and can’t really afford to donate. Yet they still give to his lost cause.
Let’s see how supportive the tv preachers are when he starts draining their rubes.
When did the left become such skilled mind readers? I know it is normal to want to speculate when the things you see don’t make sense. I have discovered every time something seems bazaar and challenges common sense, it is because there is too much missing information. A reasonable person would take under consideration how little sense it makes for millions and millions of people to be upset about what they experienced and saw during this election if they had zero reason other than not getting the desired result. It has nothing to do with Trump at this point. Very wicked things took place, and the effort to keep the public from seeing the evidence so they can decide for themselves what to think–should be alarming to anyone who likes to live free and choose for themselves.
If Trump had lost in an ordinary and non fraudulent way, almost everyone who voted for him would be disappointed–maybe yell and say some stuff, then move on as always. Ask yourself why is it different this time? You wouldn’t likely need to speculate as to what is going on if something very odd and different were not afoot. Trump may be loud and have a lot of presence– but what you see now is impossible for EVEN HIM to orchestrate. This avalanche of complaints–even from Democrats–is not doable by a single person regardless of the ego you see in him.
Not to mention, if he was behaving and acting from the motives you claim–I would despise him, and so would the other voters. Who would respect that? A tiny fringe, perhaps. Not 74 million people. At least consider the possibility that truth is being hidden from you.
At least I will look at what my opposition is thinking and why. You can’t win any kind of war by underestimating the other party as badly as you all underestimate Trump and his voters. Truth has a way of coming out eventually. I urge you–with good will toward you–to look. Start with hereistheevidence.com. A crowdsourcing site.
In most cases, the courts are just dismissing out of technicalities, or sending it to lower courts. No one wants to be responsible for opening this door and the even greater chaos it will release when everyone knows. The judges find an out and wash their hands of it. I have personal testimony as to that fact. Also important to note–the majority of the cases thrown out, where you hear the media scornfully mock Trump for it–are actually lawsuits made by individual citizens complaining about what happened. Always tossed on technicalities and not merit.
This isn’t going away. It never will. It’s too big. Too egregious. And it involves FAR FAR too many people. If the Supreme Court also attempts to not take responsibility for something which will ultimately change our system–they will then be leaving no recourse for an awful lot of people who desire justice. That is not a good idea. If all was done properly, no one on Biden’s side should worry about scrutiny. What is there to afraid of?
TCS members don’t realize their leader is a one trick pony. This says more about TCS members then it does about their leader.
If the court takes up the case, it will only show that the Supreme Court is now a clown court.
it won’t happen. the odds are EPSILON
I suppose it is “conceivable” they agree to hear it just to totally smash Trump in a unanimous ruling. Very Long shot. The problem is the Appeals Court strongly rebuked the case in a way to make it hard for them to take it.
The Third Circuit court opinion in denying Trump and Giuliani was so well written and grounded in law and fact that there’s not a prayer in hell the Supreme Court takes this up. Some will point to the more conservative nature of the court but the Third Circuit was entirely comprised of Republican appointees, one by Trump even. Too much is being made of whether a judge was appointed by a Republican or a Democrat. Were not talking abortion or going to Church here. We’re talking basic law. Trump hasn’t even met the bare minimum standard of arguing the facts and the law. His team is lucky it hasn’t been hit with Rule 11 sanctions.
There is no reasonable way that the Supreme Court should even hear this, given that the only questions are questions of state law. The final say on Pennsylvania law should be from the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.
The reason you believe that is because you have not seen for yourself the overwhelming amount of evidence showing irregularity and obvious fraud committed. Just because the courts have refused to even LOOK at the evidence which, if listed, would probably fill a 500 page book at this point–it cannot be ignored. It is the people who are jilted. Many millions. It’s being hidden from you. Watch just one state legislative hearing where evidence has been allowed. No matter what you desire to be true–you are better prepared if you know whats true. Otherwise–I promise–you will be blindsided when it comes out as avalanche.
Perhaps you didn’t read the decision quoted above. “The campaign never alleges that any ballot was fraudulent or cast by an illegal voter. ” Trump didn’t even allege in court that there were any fraudulent ballots, nor that there illegal voters. If Trump isn’t even willing to argue fraud in court, why would anyone believe that the evidences exists?
And what if it does by chance? Should we buy or sell the market?
TINA.
Who is president does not matter. All that matters at this point is stimulus from the FED (and others) who is president will not impact that stimulus. We are trapped have to print more. There is no “tightening the belt” it will creat tremendous social unrest.
Remember stimulus monies parked in a bank essentially will create 8-9 times as much new money in addition to the stimulus.
If and when they stop printing there will be no bottom to the market . Well at least it will feel like that.
The FED was supposed to be independent of the government but it seems these days that they are partners with the Treasury and Congress.
The Fed IS independent. It is NOT a branch of government. It IS owned by the banking system. The Fed has one mission, and that is to assure the banking system continues to function profitably. If their goals and Congress and the Treasury are aligned, it is because if the economy is functioning, and banks are profitable, it is also a good environment for Congress and the President.
The simplest method of dealing with TCS victims, besides ignoring them (highly recommended), is to propose a wager.
Funny how they shut up after that. Seems they haven’t lost all reason after all, at least where money is concerned.
Monetary wagers are lame. It’s better to have the loser do something that really costs his reputation or make him look stupid for making the wager in the first place. For example if the loser is on the left make him wear a MAGA hat and walk through San Francisco for an afternoon. If he is on the right have him get his nose pierced and wear a ring there for a week. Hit them with something that causes them to lose status. Now that hurts much more than money.
I won $200 from a Trump believer on his loss. [lol]
I am 100% sure that Trump was the victor of this election, when you strip away any ONE of the several layers of illegal manipulations and interventions that took place (not all of them being the claimed ballot stuffing/harvesting). But I am 100% sure that Biden will be sworn in, so I’d never take a bet that Trump will l remain President. The Globalist were determined to get rid of him and yes, they certainly “did”.
Well, if you won’t bet me, then kindly donate all your money to Stop The Steal.
Shockingly, well maybe not so much, shallow analysis and blindness.
Election law is a state issue.
– Not solely so, the law and its applications still need to not run afoul of the Constitution’s equal protection clause.
Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, and Nevada have all certified the election for Biden.
– Certification is merely a procedural step in a larger process. State Legislatures do not have to accept them prima fasciae
Trump needs to succeed in not one case in one state, but in multiple cases in multiple states. The Supreme Court is likely to reject hearing cases on grounds they are moot.
– True multiple stages are in play, but all of them have their processes controlled by Democrat executive machines and ALL of them engaged in counting behavior that clearly indicates and coincides with fraudulent counting evidence; e.g. stoping the observations late at night but still running ballots through the machines after most observers were ordered to leave. Not to mention most of the observations were not in accordance with the spirit and intent of the state’s laws. And by not adhering to them those states denied the equal protection of the voters in all the other states.
You really need to stop drinking the Leftist Kool-Aid.