Trump’s New Tariff Advisor and Advice for Advisors

Just as Trump wants, his new Tariff advisor call for 20 percent tariffs.

Stephen Miran, the economist nominated to advise Trump, Makes the Case for 20% Tariffs.

Miran, the president-elect’s choice to chair his Council of Economic Advisers, has written that the U.S. could be better off with average tariffs of around 20% and as high as 50%, compared with the current 2%.

Miran’s views are worth studying, and not just because he’s going to advise Trump. He has described tariffs as a tool, and international intervention to weaken the dollar as another, that could address a longstanding global tension: the U.S.’s economic and military support for other countries have contributed to an overvalued dollar, wide trade deficit and hollowed-out industrial base.

“Sweeping tariffs and a shift away from strong dollar policy can have some of the broadest ramifications of any policies in decades, fundamentally reshaping the global trade and financial systems,” Miran wrote in a November report for Hudson Bay Capital, where he is senior strategist.

Miran wrote the report “A User’s Guide to Restructuring the Global Trading System” before he was named in late December as Trump’s choice to chair the CEA, the White House’s in-house economic think tank.

Miran cites research by Arnaud Costinot of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Andrés Rodríguez-Clare of the University of California, Berkeley, that a tariff of around 20% is optimal, and up to 50% could still leave the U.S. better off.

An optimal tariff policy is explicitly “beggar-thy-neighbor”: one country benefits only by hurting another. Since World War II, as the world pursued reciprocal tariff reductions, “it’s hard to find real life examples of countries motivated to pursue it in a systematic, and deliberate, way,” said Doug Irwin, a trade historian at Dartmouth College.

Optimal tariff theory has some real-world drawbacks. It doesn’t seem borne out by Trump’s tariffs on China. In an interview, Costinot noted that studies found the tariffs were mostly passed through to American importers. (Miran’s report disputed those studies.)

If other countries retaliate, as China, the European Union, Mexico and Canada did in 2018, the tariff is no longer optimal: Both sides lose. “Retaliatory tariffs by other nations can nullify the welfare benefits of tariffs for the U.S.,” Miran acknowledged.

Another problem: Tariffs only leave the U.S. better off if import prices barely rise. But in that case, consumers have no incentive to switch from imported to domestic goods, which nullifies Trump’s aim of boosting American manufacturing.

Yet another caveat is that tariffs might not reduce the trade deficit because the dollar rises in response, which makes imports cheaper and exports less competitive.

As an alternative to tariffs, Miran said the U.S. could weaken the dollar through a “Mar-a-Lago Accord,” modeled on the 1985 Plaza Accord in which the U.S. and its allies jointly acted to drive down the dollar. “After a series of punitive tariffs, trading partners such as Europe and China become more receptive to some manner of currency accord in exchange for a reduction of tariffs,” he wrote. Or, the U.S. could impose a user fee on buyers of Treasury debt.

A User’s Guide to Restructuring the Global Trading System

Please consider The User’s Guide to Restructuring the Global Trading System by Stephen Miran.

In this essay I attempt to catalogue some of the available tools for reshaping these systems, the tradeoffs that accompany the use of those tools, and policy options for minimizing side effects. This is not policy advocacy, but an attempt to understand the financial market consequences of potential significant changes in trade or financial policy. Tariffs provide revenue, and if offset by currency adjustments, present minimal inflationary or otherwise adverse side effects, consistent with the experience in 2018-2019. While currency offset can inhibit adjustments to trade flows, it suggests that tariffs are ultimately financed by the tariffed nation, whose real purchasing power and wealth decline, and that the revenue raised improves burden sharing for reserve asset provision.

That contradicts common sense as well as actual results but it is precisely what Trump wants to hear which is why he is headed to Trump’s Council of Economic Advisors.

During his campaign, President Trump proposed to raise tariffs to 60% on China and 10% or higher on the rest of the world, and intertwined national security with international trade. Many argue that tariffs are highly inflationary and can cause significant economic and market volatility, but that need not be the case. Indeed, the 2018-2019 tariffs, a material increase in effective rates, passed with little discernible macroeconomic consequence. The dollar rose by almost the same amount as the effective tariff rate, nullifying much of the macroeconomic impact but resulting in significant revenue. Because Chinese consumers’ purchasing power declined with their weakening currency, China effectively paid for the tariff revenue. Having just seen a major escalation in tariff rates, that experience should inform analysis of future trade conflicts.

What Really Happened

What actually happened, as the lead image clearly shows, is the trade deficit shrunk with China and rose elsewhere.

The result was not inflationary primarily because trade deficits shifted to Mexico, Canada, Vietnam, and South Korea in tax avoidance maneuvers, but also because the dollar strengthened.

Tariffs did nothing to lower the overall deficit, nothing. The overall trade deficit rose.

Roots of Discontent According to Miran

The deep unhappiness with the prevailing economic order is rooted in persistent overvaluation of the dollar and asymmetric trade conditions. Such overvaluation makes U.S. exports less competitive, U.S. imports cheaper, and handicaps American manufacturing. Manufacturing employment declines as factories close. Those local economies subside, many working families are unable to support themselves and become addicted to government handouts or opioids or move to more prosperous locations. Infrastructure declines as governments no longer service it, and housing and factories lay abandoned. Communities are “blighted.” According to Autor, Dorn and Hanson (2016), between 600,000 and one million U.S. manufacturing jobs disappeared between 2000 and 2011 due to the “China shock” of increased trade with China. Including broader categories, the jobs displaced by trade during that decade were closer to 2 million. Even 2 million job losses over a decade represents only 200,000 per year, a fraction of the churn of jobs that occurs every year because of technology, rising and falling firms and sectors, and the economic cycle. But that logic was flawed in two ways: first, the estimates of job losses due to trade increased over time as new research emerged, for instance Autor, Dorn and Hanson (2021); the “China shock” was much larger than initially estimated. Indeed, plenty of nonmanufacturing jobs which depended on local manufacturing economies were lost as well. Second, many job losses were concentrated in states and specific towns where alternative employment was not easily available. For these communities, the losses were severe.

Actual Root of Discontent

US fiscal and trade deficits soared after president Nixon ended the last semblance of the gold standard.

This allowed the US and other countries to inflate at will. Because the US had the “exorbitant privilege” of being the world’s reserve currency, other countries could and did resort to export mercantilism.

The end of gold convertibility is the one and only reason for constant trade deficits. It’s also how the US gets away with massive fiscal deficits.

As for the loss of jobs, global manufacturing jobs are shrinking everywhere due to automation.

Rising productivity is a good thing.

Global Manufacturing Jobs

That excellent chart is from Richard Baldwin Professor of International Economics, Where in the world are manufacturing jobs going?

Global manufacturing jobs peaked in 2013. Since then, China and the total number of manufacturing jobs have declined at the same rate.

Here’s a long-term image.

Image is from Disputing Trump’s NAFTA “Catastrophe” with Pictures: What’s the True Source of Trade Imbalances?

It’s sad that Miran moans about rising productivity, but that’s what’s going on.

Burden Sharing

Despite the dollar’s role in weighing heavily on the U.S. manufacturing sector, president Trump has emphasized the value he places on its status as the global reserve currency, and threatened to punish countries that move away from the dollar. I expect this tension to be resolved by policies that aim to preserve the status of the dollar, but improve burden sharing with our trading partners.

Reflections on Burden Sharing

The EU is a basket case. So is Canada.

Precisely how is the US going to force burden sharing and what happens if countries retaliate with tariffs.

Retaliation

Where these arguments run into trouble is when other nations begin retaliating against U.S. tariffs, as China did modestly in 2018-2019. If the U.S. raises a tariff and other nations passively accept it, then it can be welfare-enhancing overall as in the optimal tariff literature.

However, retaliatory tariffs impose additional costs on America and run the risk of tit-for-tat escalations in excess of optimal tariffs that lead to a breakdown in lobal trade. Retaliatory tariffs by other nations can nullify the welfare benefits of tariffs for the U.S.

Thus, preventing retaliation will be of great importance. Because the United States is a large source of consumer demand for the world with robust capital markets, it can withstand tit-for-tat escalation more easily than other nations and is likelier to win a game of chicken.

Recall that China’s economy is dependent on capital controls keeping savings invested in increasingly inefficient allocations of capital to unproductive assets like empty apartment buildings. If tit-for-tat escalation causes increasing pressure on those capital controls for money to leave China, their economy can experience far more severe volatility than the American economy. This natural advantage limits the ability of China to respond to tariff increases.

I finally agree with Miran on something. And that is China is less able to retaliate tit-for-tat than other countries.

I also agree with Miran on capital controls and savings in unproductive assets.

US Imports and Exports China, Canada, Mexico

Whereas China might struggle to retaliate 1-1 on Tariff hikes, Canada could easily do so and Mexico could unless Trump went totally nuts.

Also, Trump can punish China but not Mexico or Canada unless Trump wants to break the USMCA trade agreement, his own “best trade deal in history”.

USMCA is up for renegotiation in 2026. Unless he is crazy, Trump will not touch USMCA until then.

Assuming Trump is not crazy, it’s a clear bluff. So Trump can expect no concessions other than minor lip service on the border.

And upping tariffs beyond another 10 percent or so on China is not without risk.

Critical Materials Risk Assessment

Our Department of Energy has placed some of the rare earth minerals we need for weapons systems, wind turbines, batteries, semiconductors, cell phones, and aircraft on a critical materials list.

Nearly all of them are mined or refined in China.

Please consider a Critical Materials Risk Assessment by the US Department of Energy

If Trump increases tariffs on China by 60 percent, China could easily shut down rare earth exports. I have been warning about this for years

China controls more than 80% of the world’s supply of tungsten and about 90% of global magnesium production

China has an effective monopoly over processing major heavy rare earths – Dysprosium (Dy) and Terbium (Tb), and Light Rare Earths – Neodymium (Nd) and Praseodymium (Pr).  

China Halts Rare Earth Exports

On December 3, I commented China Halts Rare Exports Used by US Technology Companies and the Military

This is China’s advance salvo at Trump tariffs. It comes one day after the Biden administration expanded curbs on the sale of advanced American technology to China.

It’s a powder keg.

The US gets rare earths from allies who get them from China. But don’t rule out the possibility that China shuts off all access.

If Trump gets the rest of the world to act against China, I do think China will shut off rare earths globally.

Conclusion

Trump is only interested in Yes-men. And Stephen Miran is telling Trump what Trump wants to hear. This is the only reason Trump tapped him.

My advice to Miran: “If you want to keep your job, then keep preaching nonsense.” Trump will accept nothing less.

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Since the Fed’s first rate cut on September 17, yields on the long end have soared. So have mortgage rates.

Trump wants to add additional items to the TCJA renewal and expand military spending too.

The bond market thinks as much of Trump’s plan as I do, and that’s why yields are rising.

If trade wars were good and easy to win, Trump would have won them in 2016. The lead chart speaks for itself.

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Will the goat farmer
Will the goat farmer
10 months ago

Love it.
Tarrifs at 20 or 25% across the board is meant to do one thing. Deflation. Crash the supply chains. Demand destruction. Made in America, depression state for ALL countries.

Best part? Blame China, Russia, Iran, Lebanon for cornering the USA into a corner.

We should be discussing?
What is next after the demand plummets? When all the importing countries enter full blown recession? And eventually go for 24 months of demand falling? Aka depression?

War?
Homeland investment?
Debt default?
Massive govt cuts? (Carte Blanche for DOGE to make 30% cuts or more?)

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago

Maybe deflation eventually. But first; inflation.

Get ready for much higher gas, diesel and fuel oil prices. We import 6-8 mbpd of heavy oil from Canada, Venezuela, and Mexico because our refineries are designed to use it. And we export 8-10 mbpd of light shale oil because our refineries can’t use most of it. Tariffs on imported heavy oil will not spur domestic production of more heavy oil, because there isn’t any more. Conventional heavy oil production has dropped from 5 mbpd to 3.5 mbpd since 2008 while light shale oil production has increased from 0 to 10 mbpd. Too bad our refineries can only use a little of it by blending it with heavy. Or you could start to build new refineries to handle light shale oil. Problem is it takes 5 years or longer to build a refinery. And we haven’t built a new one in 50 years.

Greg
Greg
10 months ago

Alberta premier Danielle Smith met with Trump over the weekend at Maralogo.
The conclusion she drew after the mtg: Trump is going ahead with tariffs.

The tariffs having nothing to do with fentanyl & illegal immigration.

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Greg

Get ready for much higher gas, diesel and fuel oil prices. We import 6-8 mbpd of heavy oil from Canada, Venezuela, and Mexico because our refineries are designed to use it. And we export 8-10 mbpd of light shale oil because our refineries can’t use most of it. Tariffs on imported heavy oil will not spur domestic production of more heavy oil, because there isn’t any more. Conventional heavy oil production has dropped from 5 mbpd to 3.5 mbpd since 2008 while light shale oil production has increased from 0 to 10 mbpd. Or you could start to build new refineries to handle light shale oil. Problem is it takes 5 years or longer to build a refinery. And we haven’t built a new one in 50 years.

Greg
Greg
10 months ago

Are Americans ready for a much lower standard of living for the sake of uneducated & unskilled people that want to stay that way?

Jon
Jon
10 months ago
Reply to  Greg

The uneducated and unskilled are in charge now. They want all Americans standard of living to decline to theirs. So plan on it.

President Musk
President Musk
10 months ago

This “advisor“ is only a playmate for the fat stinky guy to keep him occupied when he’s not on the golf course. It’s become difficult to find people to go on play dates with him.

George
George
10 months ago
Reply to  President Musk

A question to you president Musk when are you going to start controlling your monkey

Peace
Peace
10 months ago

I’m sorry to say – US is falling star and in late stage.
Sinking in the Swamp: How Trump’s Minions and Misfits …
The harder you move the faster you’re sinking.

Pokercat
Pokercat
10 months ago

“Assuming Trump is not crazy, it’s a clear bluff.” Wow that’s a huge assumption!
I think he’s clearly suffering some type of dementia or other psychological disorder. That’s not to say I dislike him because of mental issues, I dislike the voters who either could not see it or didn’t care. Trump shouldn’t be making decisions for his small company let alone the federal govt.

JayW
JayW
10 months ago

Well, the good news is that in one week, the onion of Trump’s long awaited tariff plans will start to be peeled back.

So, we can all rest assured that this Mish’s 10Kth article bashing tariffs with be shown true, false or somewhere in between. My bet is on the later.

Mish is on record saying that the US should become more independent when it comes to the production of strategic goods. Maybe I missed the article or 2 or 3, but as of yet I don’t think I’ve seen the list of goods he considered to be strategic and his economic plan for revitalizing American independence with producing them.

One thing we know for sure is that tariffs are NOT part of Mish’s Presidential Mission Statement / Vision economic agenda.

But the good news is that the old sheriff is back in town & his final four years will not be marked by weak, feckless dawdling leadership like we’ve gotten from Brandon & Comrade Kamala. There’s a new way forward now being presented. Time will tell who’s right. But this much we know, the new sheriff has been left a S-SHOW to contend with. No one should be surprised by resurgent cartel violence or foreign middle eastern or Chinese terrorists taking steps to blunt Trump’s plans. We have the worst president in the history of the USA, Joseph Robinette Biden Jr, to thank for that.

Bayleaf
Bayleaf
10 months ago
Reply to  JayW

Right on

Ockham's Razor
Ockham’s Razor
10 months ago

The problem is that there is no bilateral trade with China. Their bussines have open gates to US market. But foreign companies have a lot of trade barriers there: theft of industrial property, the need to partner with a local company, no independent justice, censorship, arbitrary red tape, erc.

Last edited 10 months ago by Ockham's Razor
Jon
Jon
10 months ago

China is a communist country. Every capitalist politician and business leader knew that when they relocated their factories there. They didn’t do that to access the Chinese market. They did that to get rid of American labor costs.

Albert
Albert
10 months ago

Universal tariffs are not just a regressive tax on US consumers, but also an ill-targeted subsidy for US producers competing with imports. It basically shuts down external competition (as long as the dollar doesn’t appreciate offsetting the tariffs). The real goal of the Trump tariffs is to reduce competition; and capitalism without competition seems to be what the US billionaire oligarchs want these days.

JayW
JayW
10 months ago
Reply to  Albert

The two main purposes of Trump’s tariffs are to raise revenue to offset tax cuts and to spur US manufacturing of all sorts of strategic goods.

Albert
Albert
10 months ago
Reply to  JayW

Keep dreaming. A universal tariff is exactly the wrong tool for incentivizing the production of strategic goods. Tariffs are about scuttling competition and making billionaires richer.

JayW
JayW
10 months ago
Reply to  Albert

Albert, then give us the solution please.

Also, America will not be successful in the future if we don’t figure out how to source all of our own REMs. We have to start manufacturing more of the critical, less sophisticated chips that make missiles boom & planes fly. We have to start making our pharma or getting it from friendly countries. There are many other critical goods that we need to decouple from China.

China is our enemy. I watched Christopher Wray’s F’You Trump interview on 60 Minutes. I certainly agreed with one of his comments:

China is our biggest threat going forward. Legit!

Albert
Albert
10 months ago
Reply to  JayW

If America really wants to stop trading with China, it can do it without a tariff on Canada, Mexico, etc. Given the reasons you give, the whole Trump tariff policy set up makes no sense.

JayW
JayW
10 months ago
Reply to  Albert

Tariffs on Mexico are completely warranted. They are complicit with Biden sending 12M people across the border in 4 years.

We shouldn’t be adding tariffs to Canada.

Again, you didn’t give the alternative / solution.

Keep trying!

peelo
peelo
10 months ago

Every wall (or its lack) has upsides and downsides. Trump’s method is always to have some oversimplified goal, and all promised upside. Classic sales, marketing. Then reality creeps in, and he changes the positions of the goalposts retroactively. For whatever reason, his posturing as an all-knowing tough guy in control, keeps people in (and increasingly attracts people to) his influence. Like fake news, it sells because it is catchy, not because it has real-world substance, which takes more mental work. But what alternatives do we have, at present? The other team definitely has its own buildup of flammable kindling, problems of drift toward failure.

Lee
Lee
10 months ago

Maybe the tariffs didn’t work right is because they failed to take account of transshipment from China to Vietnam and Mexico…..

Those goods should have been hit with extra tariffs.

Also these discussions fail to account for numerous aspects related to prosperity and national security.

Imports from China into the US allow China to build its military. US consumers are paying for bullets, missiles, and aircraft that may be used in the next war between China and some other country.

In order to have a safe and secure country you need a base of manufacturing capacity and capability to design and manufacture items needed for the military.

Included in that is the intellectual ability and knowledge to do that.

By losing your manufacturing base and it’s associated knowledge you weaken your country and the ability to defend itself.

Bayleaf
Bayleaf
10 months ago

“The result was not inflationary primarily because trade deficits shifted to Mexico, Canada, Vietnam, and South Korea in tax avoidance maneuvers, but also because the dollar strengthened.”

Did I read that correctly? The US imposed tariffs of up to 25% on Chinese goods, and inflation still remained stable?! How did that happen, and was it really so hard to predict?

The strengthening of the dollar relative to the yuan likely occurred because demand for Chinese exports dropped due to the tariffs. Additionally, the “America First” agenda, which emphasized tariffs and re-industrialization, naturally played a significant role in boosting the dollar’s value.

Trade diversions alone don’t directly counter any inflationary effects of tariffs unless the prices of goods from the alternative suppliers are cheaper. If Chinese exporters wanted to stay competitive, they probably had to lower or match those prices from other countries.

So, at the end of the day, who really ended up paying for the tariff revenue collected by the U.S> government?

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
10 months ago
Reply to  Bayleaf

“a tariff of around 20% is optimal, and up to 50% could still leave the U.S. better off.”

I’m going to ask the same question I ask with minimum wage hikes. Why stop at 20% if 50% is better? Why not 100% tariffs? Or 200%?

JayW
JayW
10 months ago
Reply to  Tenacious D

Because tariffs beyond 20% would be known or considered inflationary?

Bayleaf
Bayleaf
10 months ago
Reply to  Tenacious D

Because while raising tariffs to 100% or 200% might naively appear to be a logical extension to a successful policy, such extreme measures could, like many things in life, have negative consequences. But I suspect you already know this and were simply putting up a pseudo-economic strawman.

Curt Stauffer
Curt Stauffer
10 months ago

I guess the MAGA version of the United States no longer trust or believes in capitalism. I must think about the period in the U.S. between 1880 and 1930 when the industrial revolution and agriculture mechanization, these two developments completely reshaped the U.S. economy by shifting jobs from rural farms to metropolitan industrial areas of the country. What would have happened if populist politics would have intervened in this creative destruction that is an important inherent part of U.S. capitalism. One could argue that both Japan and Europe lag behind the United States economically because both capitalist systems go much further than the United States in attempting to soften the economic, cultural, and societal impact of creative destruction.

Again, I am astounded that any American policy maker who is at all knowledgeable in area of economics and global competitiveness would mess with a capitalistic system that has consistently advantaged the United States over and over again.

Lee
Lee
10 months ago
Reply to  Curt Stauffer

The US doesn’t have a pure capitalist system and hasn’t had one for a long time.

hmk
hmk
10 months ago
Reply to  Lee

It’s actually corrupt crony capitalism. We have the best government money can buy.

Tenacious D
Tenacious D
10 months ago
Reply to  Lee

But at least we have a central bank. To protect the value of the dollar.

Abcd
Abcd
10 months ago
Reply to  Tenacious D

Instead of protecting the value of the dollar, The US Congress and Federal Reserve have done the opposite. They have substantially debased it, clearly shown in inflation statistics. And this article says Trumps advisor wants an even weaker dollar. That would mean even more inflation. Maybe one day people will realize that when they vote for the Uniparty to get handouts the country can’t afford, theyre gonna pay in another way like losing their insurance in a fire area.

Jon
Jon
10 months ago
Reply to  Curt Stauffer

It’s a function of the American electoral system. Manufacturing was heavily located in flyover states. When those industries moved out, they left the local populations vastly poorer. That wealth flowed to the coastal states and Texas, where the wealth became concentrated. But the wealthier states, while having massive benefit from the existing economy, don’t have the electoral votes to protect capitalism.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago

China’s Government Bond Market Sounding Loud Deflationary Alarm.

Is the Japanification China Has Warded Off Finally Arriving?

Posted on January 8, 2025 by Yves Smith

Western economists and financiers have so regularly predicted a crash or zombification outcome to China’s spectacular run of growth that it’s too easy to dismiss stories about deflation risk as yet more Chicken Littledom. But that would be a mistake. The warning sign this time is coming not from tea-leaf reading prognosticators but the domestic investor dominated, very large and therefore not manipulable Chinese government bond market. Its plunge in yields to deflation-warning levels is a sign of profound concern about growth prospects. And if actual or borderline deflation becomes entrenched, it’s hard to reverse.

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/01/chinas-government-bond-market-sounding-loud-deflationary-alarm-is-the-japanification-china-has-warded-off-finally-arriving.html

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago

The vicious cycle ends (and why inflation will only get worse)
Low grade oil, in our case, means low energy return on energy invested: more and more, deeper and deeper wells drilled into the same area just to keep up with the accelerating depletion of existing wells. This means more fuel spent, more truckloads of sand, drill-pipes and fracking fluids delivered on site, more CO2 pumped underground to squeeze out the remaining oil, more coal burned to make drill pipes and pipelines delivering the product.

Simply put: as older more productive wells deplete, we have to run faster and faster just to stay in place. And now, with the peak of shale oil extraction — the last source of growth in global oil production — most probably behind us already, there is not much left to do to increase net oil output.

This has nothing to do with who is the president, or how much “red tape” is removed. We have slowly arrived at a point where the depletion of even the newest of wells have reached such a high pace that no matter how many more holes we bore into the sand we can only keep production flat. And since the market cannot pay enough for a barrel of oil to finance drilling an ever increasing number of ever more expensive (longer, deeper) wells indefinitely, the trend of relentless growth in oil production will eventually turn into a long decline. Which, by the way, is no longer denied (not even by the most optimistic organisations) and can be expected to commence in 5 years.

It’s not that we will be running out of oil by the end of the decade, but that the virtuous cycle of more and more cheap materials and food (made available by more and more cheap fossil fuels) will slowly turn into a vicious cycle, where less and less cheap fuel will make even less and less material extraction and food production possible.

https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/p/the-human-souffle

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

You have the right idea, but your timeline is always exaggerated. You have been saying that shale production has peaked for the last two years; yet it is still increasing. And that’s with fewer drill rigs operating.

Yes, breakeven points have risen to around $65/barrel. Which is one reason for less drilling when oil is around $70. But as WTI prices approach $80 and higher, we will likely see more drilling and US oil production will increase from 13.5 mbpd to 14 mbpd this year.

Still, US production will probably peak sometime this decade. Fortunately, it doesn’t really matter much since almost all the oil we produce, is exported because it is too light for our aging refineries to use.

What really matters to us is the availability and price of heavy crude oil from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela; because we import 8 mbpd of it for our refineries. Canada has over a hundred years worth of oil sands supply at a $30-$40/barrel cost, depending on the company. And I own a lot of shares in several of them.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

The Great Drama of American Shale Production may now be nearing its final act – Goehring & Rozencwajg Natural Resource Investors

For years, we have anticipated that the relentless growth in shale output would crest by late 2024 or early 2025, catching many off-guard. In hindsight, even this expectation might have erred on the side of caution. Quietly and without much fanfare, both shale oil and shale gas appear to have passed their zenith several months ago.

Recent data from the Energy Information Agency (EIA) reveal that shale crude oil production reached its high-water mark in November 2023, only to slide 2%— roughly 200,000 barrels per day—since then. Likewise, shale dry gas production peaked that same month and has since slipped by 1% or 1 billion cubic feet per day. 

The trajectory from here, according to our models, looks steeper still.

https://fasteddynz.substack.com/p/predictions-for-2025

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

My analysis shows that the world is already dealing with “not enough uranium from mines to go around.” In particular, US production of uranium “peaked” about 1980 (Figure 1).

For many years, the US was able to down-blend nuclear warheads (both purchased from Russia and from its own supply) to get around its uranium supply deficit.

https://fasteddynz.substack.com/p/why-dont-we-just-build-more-nuclear

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Yes I have read this before.

First, it’s an old article. And its projections were wrong. US oil production has increased by 400,000 bpd since then. And it will keep increasing for the next few years if oil is $80+.

Second, American shale oil is hardly used in America. It is almost all exported. So it doesn’t matter much. What’s important is the heavy crude we import. And there is a lot of that available from Canada and Venezuela.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

You are clueless. Getting your info from cnnbbc… will leave you clueless… because for obvious reasons they will tell you we have endless oceans of oil…

THE REALITY IS:

World crude oil extraction reached an all-time high of 84.6 million barrels per day in late 2018, and production hasn’t been able to regain that level since then. 

Tar Sands produces 2M barrels per day… and needs to be blended with higher grades so the world cannot run on that.

Venezuela oil is even worse garbage…

Most of Venezuela’s petroleum reserves, as much as 77% or possibly more, are composed of the extra-heavy and heavy crude oil found in the Orinoco Belt in the East Venezuela Basin. That heavy and extra-heavy crude oil, most of which is very sour and has an API gravity of 10 degrees or less, is highly carbon-intensive to extract and refine. For those reasons, there is a growing likelihood that a significant portion of Venezuela’s vast petroleum reserves could become a costly stranded asset.

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2021/08/20/business/venezuelas-oil-reserves-doomed-to-become-the-worlds-largest-stranded-asset/

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Lol! The US imports 6-8 mbpd of that garbage heavy oil, and tar sands oil from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela because it’s what our refineries were designed to use. We export almost all our light shale oil. Didn’t you know that? I must have mentioned it dozens of times.

Apparently, you only pay attention if it fits your narrative.

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

I expect Trump to enforce sanctions on Venezuela, so we will probably get less heavy oil from them anyway and more from Canada. Which is good for my Canadian oil stocks.

We have no choice but to import heavy oil because our refineries are designed for it.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave
  1. Conventional oil production peaked 20 years ago
  2. Shale oil has been the only growing source of oil and now that is in decline
  3. Shale gas is also in decline
  4. Total oil production flat lined in 2018

And you are concerned about your stock portfolio hahahahahahaha

Wow

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Wow. You are terribly misinformed.

Yes. Conventional oil peaked. And unconventional oil expanded. Which is why total world oil production has kept growing to 102.9 mbpd in 2024. This data is readily available. Why you choose to ignore it is a mystery.

And total oil production will increase to 104.8 mbpd in 2025.

Shale oil production is still growing in the US. It is not declining. The data is readily available as well. Yet you keep referencing old, outdated reports.

US Shale gas production is also going to continue to grow. With the addition of new pipelines and new LNG facilities, we have already increased our LNG gas export capacity to over 14 bcfpd. And we will increase it to 26 bcfpd by 2028. Odd that these companies are investing billions to export more LNG if our gas production is declining.

Face it. You don’t have any idea what you are talking about.

You don’t even realize that we export almost all our shale oil and import 6-8 mbpd of heavy oil for our refineries to use.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Are you blind? Cuz the other option is you are to put it lightly … a slow learner… perhaps you should seek help.

Oil production is NOT expanding

World crude oil extraction reached an all-time high of 84.6 million barrels per day in late 2018, and production hasn’t been able to regain that level since then.

https://ourfiniteworld.com/2024/09/11/crude-oil-extraction-may-be-well-past-peak/

Figure 1. World monthly crude oil production based on data of the US Energy Information Administration (EIA). The straight orange line represents the 24-month average during the period June 2022 through May 2024.

Shale production is not only not expanding… IT IS DECLINING:

The Great Drama of American Shale Production may now be nearing its final act – Goehring & Rozencwajg Natural Resource Investors

For years, we have anticipated that the relentless growth in shale output would crest by late 2024 or early 2025, catching many off-guard. In hindsight, even this expectation might have erred on the side of caution. Quietly and without much fanfare, both shale oil and shale gas appear to have passed their zenith several months ago.

Recent data from the Energy Information Agency (EIA) reveal that shale crude oil production reached its high-water mark in November 2023, only to slide 2%— roughly 200,000 barrels per day—since then. Likewise, shale dry gas production peaked that same month and has since slipped by 1% or 1 billion cubic feet per day. 

The trajectory from here, according to our models, looks steeper still.

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Nope. Total world oil supply and demand keeps rising each year. Here is a recent report from the IEA.

https://www.iea.org/reports/oil-market-report-december-2024

Their January 2025 report will show even higher supply and demand numbers.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Global oil supply rose by 130 kb/d m-o-m to 103.4 mb/d in November

I guess you didn’t read it or maybe you just do not understand…. of course supply goes up and down on a monthly basis …

But it is flat annually since 2018

World crude oil extraction reached an all-time high of 84.6 million barrels per day in late 2018, and production hasn’t been able to regain that level since then.

https://i0.wp.com/ourfiniteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/World-Crude-Oil-Production-through-May-2024.png

Figure 1. World monthly crude oil production based on data of the US Energy Information Administration (EIA). The straight orange line represents the 24-month average during the period June 2022 through May 2024.

And the only growing source of oil – shale… is past peak.

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Lol! You are contradicting yourself and agreeing with me. Thanks.

Here are the two contradictory statements from your post:

World crude oil extraction reached an all-time high of 84.6 million barrels per day in late 2018, and production hasn’t been able to regain that level since then.”

“Global oil supply rose by 130 kb/d m-o-m to 103.4 mb/d in November”

Your second statement is the correct one. Thanks for agreeing with me.

And supply is expected to grow to 104.9 mbpd in 2025.

Perhaps, if the US applies enough sanctions on Russia, Iran and Venezuela oil, there is a chance to reduce supply. Fortunately, OPEC has spare production capacity of around 5 mbpd that they can bring back online if needed.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration’s (EIA) latest short term energy outlook (STEO), which was released recently, the world produced an average of 76.10 million barrels of crude oil per day in the third quarter of 2024.

That compares to an average of 76.19 million barrels per day in the second quarter, an average of 76.70 million barrels per day in the first quarter, and an average 76.57 million barrels per day overall in 2023, the EIA’s November STEO showed.

That STEO forecast that global crude oil production would average 76.95 million barrels per day in the fourth quarter of this year, 76.51 million barrels per day overall in 2024, and 78.32 million barrels per day overall in 2025.

https://www.rigzone.com/news/how_much_crude_oil_is_the_world_producing-25-nov-2024-178842-article/

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

A 26M barrel PER day discrepancy…. hmmm….

I am reminded of Juncker’s comment – when it is really bad … you have to lie

Or you just change the numbers… that seems to be a thing these days… job reports… oil production … whatever

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

2021 The Incredible Shrinking Oil Majors “… the future for these companies has gone from challenged to incredibly bleak.

Over the last 20 years, oil supermajors Exxon, Chevron, Royal Dutch Shell and Total have found it challenging to maintain their reserve base and production level.

Even though upstream capital spending has surged, production and reserves have persistently declined. Things look significantly worse if you focus only on crude oil. While Exxon’s crude oil production has declined by 8% over the last 20 years (in line with gas production), Royal Dutch Shell’s crude production has collapsed by 20% while Chevron’s has fallen by 7%. While Total is once again the only company to show any growth, it has been modest: oil production is up 0.8% CAGR over the last 20 years.

Proved oil reserves tell a similar story.

Exxon’s proved oil reserves are down 26% while Royal Dutch Shell’s have collapsed by 57% and Chevron’s have fallen 29%.

Even Total’s proved oil reserves have contracted by 16% since 2000. While all four supermajors saw their total proved R/P ratios fall by 26% on average, their oil-only proved Reserves/Production ratios fell by 30%.”

That does not support a miraculous increase of 30% more barrels of oil per day ….off of the reported numbers of 76M…..

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

See the charts hahaha… no way in hell production is increasing

https://blog.gorozen.com/blog/the-incredible-shrinking-oil-majors

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

World crude oil extraction reached an all-time high of 84.6 million barrels per day in late 2018, and production hasn’t been able to regain that level since then. Source

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

That’s conventional oil. It doesn’t count shale oil and oil sands.

The IEA projects that total world oil production will increase from 102.9 mbpd in 2024 to 104.8 mbpd in 2025.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Oh I see… these are projections…. then they are worthless…. because no doubt they project increases in shale…

We have been on a plateau of 84M barrels per day since 2018…. so shale is going to increase by 18M barrels per day next year?

hahahahahaha…

No it’s not.

Recent data from the Energy Information Agency (EIA) reveal that shale crude oil production reached its high-water mark in November 2023, only to slide 2%— roughly 200,000 barrels per day—since then. 

Likewise, shale dry gas production peaked that same month and has since slipped by 1% or 1 billion cubic feet per day. 

The trajectory from here, according to our models, looks steeper still.

https://fasteddynz.substack.com/p/predictions-for-2025

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

The 2024 number of 102.9 mbpd is the actual number. Which you yourself mentioned earlier.

Here is your statement again:

Global oil supply rose by 130 kb/d m-o-m to 103.4 mb/d in November”

Again. Thanks for agreeing with me.

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Oh I see… so for the past 6 years the production was:

World crude oil extraction reached an all-time high of 84.6 million barrels per day in late 2018, and production hasn’t been able to regain that level since then.

https://ourfiniteworld.com/2024/09/11/crude-oil-extraction-may-be-well-past-peak/

But magically (revisions?) we are now producing 102M barrels per day.

It’s a miracle!!!!

Last edited 10 months ago by Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Oh I see… so for the past 6 years the production was:

World crude oil extraction reached an all-time high of 84.6 million barrels per day in late 2018, and production hasn’t been able to regain that level since then.

https://ourfiniteworld.com/2024/09/11/crude-oil-extraction-may-be-well-past-peak/

But magically (revisions?) we are now producing 102M barrels per day.

It’s a miracle!!!!

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

I agree with the IEA lying about the numbers… makes sense… you do not want the herd becoming aware of:

https://i0.wp.com/ourfiniteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/World-Crude-Oil-Production-through-May-2024.png

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

You think the IEA is lying about global oil supply? Lol!

How about daily global oil demand? Here is the info from Statista. Over 100 mbpd of oil demand in 2023 and 2024. Or are they lying too?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/271823/global-crude-oil-demand/

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Natural Gas Production is ContractingThe implications for the humans species are profound
https://fasteddynz.substack.com/p/natural-gas-production-is-contracting

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Garbage. Natural gas production is growing in the US and worldwide. The US is in the process of more than doubling its LNG export capacity from 12 bcfpd to 26 bcfpd. Two new facilities just came online that take us to 15 bcfpd. And 11 bcfpd more are coming.

JayW
JayW
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Fortunately, it doesn’t really matter much since almost all the oil we produce, is exported because it is too light for our aging refineries to use.”

What??? Am I reading this correctly? You maintain that almost all of the oil we pull out of the ground is shipped overseas? Are you talking about everything or just shale oil?

Unless I’m just clueless here, I’d like a citation or two on this, PapaD.

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  JayW

America’s refineries were built prior to 1980. They were built to refine heavy oil, because that was what was coming out of the ground back then. As our conventional oil production began it’s decline from 10 mbpd in 1970 to 5 mbpd in 2008, we had to import heavy oil from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela to make up the difference.

Since 2008, we figured out how to frack for shale oil and US production has increased back to a record high of 13.5 mbpd. The breakdown of this 13.5 mbpd total is 10 mbpd of light shale oil and 3.5 mbpd of conventional heavy oil. The problem is that our refineries were not designed to use the light shale oil.

We can use “some” of the shale oil in our refineries by blending it with the heavy oil. But we cannot use all of it. There are no reliable stats on how this breaks down unfortunately. And every year, our shale oil has been getting lighter and lighter (and gassier), making it less and less useful.

In 2023, we exported 10.15 mbpd (which was mostly shale oil) and imported 8.5 mbpd (of heavy oil). Most new refineries built in the last 20 years around the world have the flexibility to refine all types of oil. But we haven’t built any new refineries since 1980. So we have to export most of our light shale oil.

The US Midwest refineries are totally dependent on Canadian oil. If Trump puts a 25% tariff on Canadian oil, I expect gas and diesel prices to jump 25% or more in the Midwest.

Here is a link to the various refinery regions in the US. Note that some areas rely on Canadian oil.

https://www.oilsandsmagazine.com/market-insights/american-appetite-canadian-crude-usage-us-refineries

Fast Eddy
Fast Eddy
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Hey Papa — do you think if they build more pipelines that will refill the depleted oil fields in Alaska?

Oil production in Alaska reaches lowest level in more than 40 years

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Fast Eddy

Why? Do you?

The only reason to build a pipeline is to take away additional oil and gas production. Which is why more pipelines are being built all the time.

Of course, you probably think they are building these new pipelines to fool people into believing there is more oil and gas to be produced. Right?

Here is some data on the increase in Natural Gas Pipelines in 2024.

Notice they mention the Matterhorn pipeline which was completed in 2024 to take additional gas from the Permian to the LNG facilities.
When I mentioned this to you before, you thought it was being built to put more gas back into the Permian. So I guess you do believe your own nonsense.

https://undergroundinfrastructure.com/magazine/2024/february-2024-vol-79-no-2/features/north-america-2024-pipeline-construction-outlook-new-lng-terminals-lead-call-for-more-pipelines

Stu
Stu
10 months ago

– “Tariffs did nothing to lower the overall deficit, nothing”
> If that sentence is actually true, then why are we messing around with Tariffs? I saw a reference to a devalue of our dollar, and not sure why we want to do that as well, and at the same time?

– “ Precisely how is the US going to force burden sharing”
> We shouldn’t be “Forcing” anyone to do anything, such as this. What benefit do we get, by bullying a so called Friendly Country? Get our way perhaps, but that’s pretty shallow.

>> A similar but different issue was discussed with NATO Cost Sharing. Now this was for a Countries Protection as an “Equal Partner” A % of GDP was the discussion. This was a much more “Fair Approach” as it’s an expenditure to your countries Own Budget by Them, and an equal amount of “Each Individual Countries GDP”, but obviously not the same amount of money, but “Fairly Done”

>>> Such things IMHO should be spoken outside of the press and public, until they even know what they themselves are talking about…

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
10 months ago

Tariffs didn’t fix anything the first time but this time it’s different?
The “wall” didn’t go up but this time it’s different?

We’re about to enter the hope/honeymoon phase of Trump in 8 days. First 90 days we’ll get a great circus show…. Immigration raids, kids in cages, a tariff announcement here and there and after the 90 days wears off, Congress will be back at bickering and infighting: debt ceiling, continuing resolutions, fight for speakership, and on and on.  

Two years will pass by with nothing getting done but circus tricks, the “people” will be pissed and vote Repubs out (of Congress) and it’s de ja vu all over again.

Somewhere along the way will be a black swan, new pandemic, space aliens, major earthquake, stock market crash, etc.

Sentient
Sentient
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

It’s worth it all just for the kids in cages.

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago

My focus remains on energy. We import 8 mbpd of heavy oil from Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela because our refineries cannot use our own light shale oil (other than a tiny amount that gets mixed in). And every year, our remaining shale oil reserves are getting lighter and gassier, making them even less useful for refining here. The imported heavy oil is what produces almost all our gasoline, diesel, fuel oil etc. Placing any tariff on this oil would raise fuel prices domestically.

In addition, oil prices are heading up again, because the Biden administration, now that the election is over, is finally starting to sanction Russian oil, and the Trump administration will likely sanction Iranian oil. Add in some cold weather in the US and Europe, and presto, oil and gas prices are heading up.

Trump promised to cut energy prices in half, and bring inflation down to zero. It’s difficult to see how tariffs will accomplish this.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

How do you think your canadian oil stocks will get hit with a tariff war?

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

They would be impacted. If gas, diesel, etc go up in price because of a tariff, Americans will use less. So Canadian oil companies will sell less. The question is; how much less oil will we buy if a 25% tariff is imposed?

My guess is up to 10% less.

Canada produces 5.7 mbpd. 4.3 mbpd of that goes to the US. A 10% reduction would be 0.43 mbpd.

However, the TMX pipeline that heads to Canada’s west coast allows for 0.89 mbpd of exports by ship and half of it goes to the US already. Which means that they could just sell the 0.44 mbpd to someone else. So, almost no effect at all.

The far larger effect is the market price of oil, which companies have no control over. And that is heading up at the moment, which is great for my Canadian oils.

In addition, their dollar is dropping in value, while their product is sold in US$, so they are benefiting that way as well.

Maximus Minimus
Maximus Minimus
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Light oil is ideal for making gasoline, about 70% of usage. The problem is refineries probably built for once dominant classic oil, not made for fracked oil.
What’s remain is heavy tar sand or Venezuelan oil. Venezuela will probably be sanctioned, so tighten your belt for higher inflation.

Stu
Stu
10 months ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Canada will be using a boatload of LG it would appear. That’s just for starters, as they will consume a lot more of our excess than in the past moving forward.

My opinion, based on whats been going on with energy up there, of course…

PapaDave
PapaDave
10 months ago
Reply to  Stu

I don’t understand what you said. While oil and gas flow both ways across the US/Canada border, Canada supplies the US with far more oil and gas than the other way around. The same goes for electricity.

whirlaway
whirlaway
10 months ago

End-stage capitalism. This is the last stage of the Reaganomics “miracle” of so-called free trade deals, deregulation and privatization leading to widespread poverty, insecurity and mountains of debt.

People think that this DOGE thing is something new that has never been done before. They are ignorant. They need to look up “Grace Commission”. During the Reagan presidency, the annual deficit almost tripled. Also the national debt — from $995 billion to $2.9 trillion.

Here is a prediction – Trump will add to the national debt in just 2 years, what the Joe “Nothing will fundamentally change” Biden administration added in 4 years.

Stu
Stu
10 months ago
Reply to  whirlaway

The “Grace Commission” was a hand selected 161 Corporate Executives, and they handpicked volunteers to put the paperwork together for them, and talk the talk and to walk the walk. They requested a bunch of changes, but no “major defining totally new changes” that I know, were implemented, and the changes that were, made no difference.

See the DOGE is “Not Made Up” of people like Soros, and Zuckerberg, but rather successful conservative individuals who know how to make good decisions, that work for everybody, and not a select group of individual’s.

MASSIVE DIFFERENCE!

Eric Vahlbusch
Eric Vahlbusch
10 months ago

US firms began outsourcing jobs in the early 70s, maybe even the late 60s. 50+ years of outsourcing. Focusing on a single decade, late in the outsourcing cycle, doesn’t begin to tell the story.

KGB
KGB
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Hi Mish,
Your bot mistakenly censored my comment as spam. Please restore it.
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KGB
KGB
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

The image vaporized after edit. Enjoy your dinner. Worse things have come to pass.

whirlaway
whirlaway
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Just because it started before NAFTA doesn’t mean that NAFTA didn’t aggravate it and make it a whole lot worse.

whirlaway
whirlaway
10 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Manufacturing jobs went sideways during that decade simply because the economy was booming as a result of the asset bubble. Once the bubble burst, they resumed their steep descent. A similar phenomenon happened during the asset bubble reflation of the 2010s as well.

Also, along the way, the very definition of “manufacturing jobs” itself kept changing. Burger-flipping jobs suddenlyt became “manufacturing jobs” (just like ketchup was redefined to be a “vegetable” for children’s school lunch programs!)

KGB
KGB
10 months ago

Developing nations succeed only by protecting their nascent industries with tariff walls. USA is restoring basic manufacturing to employ our large third world uneducated population.

USA created freedom of the seas after WWII. Never before in history was shipping safe from piracy in all the oceans. Global trade built upon USNavy protection. USA cannot afford to continue guaranteeing freedom of the seas. Global trade will collapse and USA must become self sufficient by restoring our manufacturing base. Some nations like Japan may pay for protection of their trade routes. If China or USA do not guarantee the Singapore Straits then China would be cut off from energy and food supplies.

Last edited 10 months ago by KGB
robbyrob Im back!
robbyrob Im back!
10 months ago

FRED
Real (2024 dollars ) per-capita (age 16+) Federal spending, 1950 – now.
Here you can see the Korean Conflict, then the Vietnam spending hit in ’65, things level off under Carter, Reaganomics blow everything up in the 80s, 1990s Clinton – Gingrich standoff / “Peace Dividend”, Dotcom recession spending & Bush’s GWOT 2002-, then massive social spending during the GFC, rising boomer expenditures and general loss of fiscal controls after Obama, then the pandemic social spending.

This is $2000+/mo of Federal spending for every US adult age 15+ . . . it is enough to drive anyone crazy if you stare at it long enough . . .
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1CRjx

Felix
Felix
10 months ago

Nice graph. But it has a lot of extra calculations. Try this one for simply “Government total expenditures”:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/seriesBeta/W068RCQ027SBEA#

And then click “Edit Graph”, click the “Format” tab, and check “Log scale left”. This kind of thing wants a log scale.

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