Trump to ‘Obliterate’ Iran’s Power Plants if Strait Not Open in 48 Hours

The threat, if carried out, would “likely constitute war crimes”, says Grok.

Trump’s Threat

Truth Social: If Iran doesn’t FULLY OPEN, WITHOUT THREAT, the Strait of Hormuz, within 48 HOURS from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST! Thank you for your attention to this matter. President DONALD J. TRUMP

War Crime Discussion

Mish to Grok: If Trump did what he said, would that constitute a war crime?

Grok Response:

If President Trump carried out the threatened action—destroying (“obliterating”) Iran’s various power plants, starting with the biggest one—it would likely constitute war crimes under international humanitarian law (IHL), depending on the specifics of execution, but the blanket, widespread nature implied makes it highly probable.International law does not categorically prohibit attacking power plants or electrical infrastructure.

However, attacks must comply with core principles from the Geneva Conventions (especially Additional Protocol I), customary IHL, and the Rome Statute of the ICC (which defines war crimes even if the U.S. is not a party—the norms are widely accepted as customary).

If the Threat Were Carried Out, attacking power plants could potentially raise serious IHL issues, depending on circumstances:

  • Civilian objects like power stations are generally protected from attack unless they are making an effective contribution to military action (e.g., powering military command centers, air defenses, weapons production, or nuclear facilities tied to military use).
  • Even if partly military, an attack must satisfy the principles of:
    • Distinction (targeting only military objectives).
    • Proportionality (expected civilian harm not excessive compared to military advantage).
    • Precautions in planning/execution to minimize civilian risk.
  • Widespread, long-term, and severe damage to the civilian population’s access to electricity (potentially causing indirect civilian deaths via lack of medical care, water pumping, sanitation, etc.) could violate prohibitions on indiscriminate attacks or attacks expected to cause excessive incidental civilian harm.
  • If the attack targeted a nuclear power plant (e.g., Bushehr), it could risk radioactive release, raising additional concerns under environmental protection rules in war and potentially amounting to an ecocide-like offense or disproportionate harm.
  • The post specifies “power plants,” not explicitly nuclear ones or purely civilian targets.
  • Context from surrounding events (ongoing U.S./allied military actions against Iranian military capabilities, missile sites, navy/air force, etc.) suggests the intent is tied to degrading Iran’s military threat and reopening a key international waterway (Strait of Hormuz), which Iran has been interfering with.

In short: The post is a threat, not a crime. Whether any future action would be a war crime would depend on how (if) it is executed, the precise targets, intelligence about their use, proportionality assessments, and civilian impact—none of which can be judged from a social media statement alone. International bodies like the ICC or UN would only investigate actual conduct in an armed conflict, not rhetoric. States (including the U.S.) often reject ICC jurisdiction anyway.

How Would Iran Respond?

The Wall Street Journal reports Iran Threatens Reprisals on Critical Infrastructure if U.S. Strikes Power Plants

Iran’s military threatened to attack energy, information technology and desalination infrastructure in response to President Trump’s warning that the U.S. would hit Iranian power plants unless the Strait of Hormuz was opened within 48 hours. Iranian state media cited a spokesman for Iran’s military joint command as saying targets across the region could be hit.

While oil-and-gas reserves support economies around the region, desalination plants are relied upon by millions in the Middle East for drinking water. The Middle East has more than 40% of the world’s desalination capacity, or around 5,000 plants. Iran has previously targeted desalination capacity, including a drone attack that damaged a plant in Bahrain earlier this month.

Here’s what else to know:

Iran’s use of intermediate-range ballistic missiles demonstrated its arsenal can now reach Europe.

Iran said its Natanz nuclear facility was attacked for the second time in the current war.

Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi said Tehran would respond in kind to any attack on its critical infrastructure.

Gharibabadi’s post on X followed President Trump’s warning that it would strike power plants if Iran doesn’t reopen the Strait of Hormuz so critical fuel and fertilizer shipments could restart.

Gharibabadi also said the threats on infrastructure raise legal concerns under international law. “An explicit threat to target power plants and vital infrastructure goes beyond a mere political statement; under international law, it concerns civilian objects,” he wrote, citing principles of international humanitarian law, which he said prohibit deliberate attacks on civilian infrastructure.

Given what has transpired so far with Iranian responses, there is a reasonable chance Iran would launch attacks on Europe.

It’s a given that Iran would respond in kind on Mideast facilities.

Is Europe in Play?

Mish to Grok: Has Iran threatened to hit Europe if trump does this?
Grok: No. There is no evidence that Iran has threatened to hit or attack Europe in response to Trump’s ultimatum.

Iran’s responses, as reported across major outlets (BBC, NYT, Al Jazeera, Reuters, Guardian, CNN, AP, etc.), focus on regional retaliation in the Middle East:

  • Threatening to completely close the Strait of Hormuz indefinitely if the U.S. strikes power plants.
  • Warning of irreversible destruction of energy, oil, IT, desalination, and other critical infrastructure across the region (e.g., Gulf states, sites used by the U.S., Israel, and allies).
  • Targeting desalination plants (vital for water in water-scarce Gulf countries), fuel facilities, and power plants in areas hosting U.S. bases or allied interests.

Question of the Year

Q: Is Trump willing to risk this?
A: We are going to find out. I doubt Iran opens the strait. That’s the only bargaining power Iran has.

Would it be wise for Iran to threaten Europe? Allies would immediately voice concerns to Trump, if they have not done so already.

Then again, Iran will not want to provoke Europe into joining Trump.

Regardless, so much for Trump’s lie about “winding down operations“.

Related Posts

March 21, 2026: Investigating the Claim: Iran Close to Oil for a Fee Agreement with Japan

This is a huge deal, if it’s true.

March 21, 2026: Iran Wants a Steep Price to End the War, Believes It’s Winning

Trump says he won. Iran says its winning. Can both be right?

Winding Down?!

March 21, 2026: Trump Considers Winding Down’ Iran Operations. Great, But What Does that Mean?

Let’s discuss three possibilities.

Addendum – Reader Observation

Why are we threatening to attack Iran’s power plants? To open the Strait of Hormuz.

Why is the Strait of Hormuz closed? Because we attacked Iran.

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strataland
strataland
14 days ago

US Presidents have a long history of deliberately slanting their public comments to complicate enemy calculations. Is there no room for this strategy here? I love a reasoned contrarian, however, reading your blog recently reminds me of the Bertrand Russell quote, “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts”.

Last edited 14 days ago by strataland
Sentient
Sentient
15 days ago

Headline: Trump’s attack called off (“postponed”) after productive talks with Tehran.
What a crock of shit. There are no “talks”. The Saudis got to him. If Iran’s power plants are hit, it will be by “the Israelis” (with US help).

Kevin
Kevin
15 days ago

Will Iran’s civilian nuclear power generation station also be targeted? That would make the UAE’s 3 large nuclear reactors legitimate targets for retaliation. Israel’s Dimona nuclear weapons production complex has been a legitimate target since last June’s attack on Iran’s uranium enrichment facilities.

If these power production reactors get taken out, the radiation release could kill any chance of increasing nuclear power generation for decades. The only reactors being built will be those by nations that by now have realized that without nuclear weapons, you nation is at the whim of the psychopaths in Washington DC.

Flavia
Flavia
15 days ago
Reply to  Kevin

They are psychopaths.

Frosty
Frosty
15 days ago

Regardless of who blinks first. the re-start of full scale extraction, refining, loading and shipping is no where near at hand for the Gulf States.

In the long term, more faith has been lost in the reliance on hydrocarbons that Trump promotes as our energy future. The rest of the world will accelerate solar, wind and alternative power deployments.

You can bet your butt that China will be building Helium plants double quick!

TEF
TEF
15 days ago

A Good Reversal TACO this morning with a brief one-day transient effect on the global oil and equity markets. Most of the TACO ‘anti attempts’ of disestablishment of the institutional world order are stabilizing. Unfortunately pattern recognition is not a strong point of the King. The King’s shot-himself-in-the-foot foot has been caught in the big Middle-East Gulf Bear Trap. All of the King’s horses and all of the King’s men don’t have the King’s ear to provide sage advice on how to open the trap and extricate the self-inflicted wounded foot.

MelvinRich
MelvinRich
16 days ago

This may be the end game for us all, particularly youngsters. Hitler was able to keep everyone employed by a permanent war economy until actual war took him down. Caligula is currently heading that way. I’m glad I’m old,. the younger people will be left with ashes, either literal or economic in the form of a bankrupt system. All those twenty somethings are going to get the bill for benefits and wars. I can hear their whining.

Flavia
Flavia
15 days ago
Reply to  MelvinRich

More likely they’ll get a poisoned earth.

Jack
Jack
16 days ago

TACO delivery was early. Was expecting it during mid-market trading, not before opening. Just like with the Chinese a ear ago, talks are going well, even though they are not talking.

Quatloo
Quatloo
15 days ago
Reply to  Jack

This is an amusing TACO. Trump gave a specific time on Monday that he would strike if Iran didn’t obey his order. Iran made it very clear they were not going to comply—they called his bluff. Trump tries to save face by saying he will back down because talks with Iran are going well. However, Iran is saying there are no talks!

Is there anyone left who believes anything Trump says about this war?

Frosty
Frosty
15 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Maria-Butt-Aroma and all the Fox/MAGA cult members sure buy it. CNBC is spinning it as true and Bloomberg is barely questioning the Taco.

Iran is continuing to get the shit bombed out of it and tens of thousands are dying. Peace is not at hand…

Why does Trump hate Freedom?

Pedro
Pedro
16 days ago

Looks like its TACO monday

1D chess loses again!

Quatloo
Quatloo
16 days ago
Reply to  Pedro

Bluffing Blowhard

gwp
gwp
15 days ago
Reply to  Pedro

More 5D Chess from Trump.
Just so much smarter than us ordinary folk that his cunning plans just appear to be random noise
Coincidentally another weekend trade. Wish he would send me the playbook his mates get.

David Heartland
David Heartland
16 days ago

To me, the Cuba Oil Blockage SHOULD be banned under the War Crimes statutes. The only thing is: we have not declared WAR yet. These people sit around and figure out ways to spend more money.

Kevin
Kevin
15 days ago

Isn’t it interesting how we trade with Vietnam and even have military cooperation with them less than 50 years after losing 50,000 American’s trying to bomb them into the stone age yet we have such a hard spot for Cuba long after Castro has passed? You would think Trump would have done all he could in his first term to open Cuba to resort development to give his personal business interests a leg up. Trump even met with the N. Korean leader in an abortive attempt to reach some kind of deal.

I think it has something to do with the JFK assassination. If Cuba falls, I think the US will quickly swoop in to secure the Cuban government archives.

alx
alx
16 days ago

as reminder USA ran $ 3 trln deficit before 2026 war in iran!

alx
alx
16 days ago

remember Hormus insurance sh1it couple weeks ago

NEVER HEARD ABOUT IT ANYMORE!

garbage in , garbage out

alx
alx
16 days ago

most amusing is FALL IN PRICE OF PAPER GOLD!

that is what folks called price manipulation!
======

petro dollar would die just easily, make no mistake!!

IN NORMAL FUNCTIONING MARKET GOLD ALREADY BE PRICED 7500 *8000$ PER ounce

, so buy as much physical gold as possible and keep it . not funny games w. storage and sh1it

ps

as reminder USA ran 3 trln deficit before 2026 war in iran!

Last edited 16 days ago by alx
'Lil Mr.
‘Lil Mr.
16 days ago

Iran’s people were getting angrier at their government more and more often. Many people were being killed but the protests eventually got stronger until the killing increased. At some point a majority would prevail but at a great civilian loss. Unfortunately, this is the price of freedom. Change must come from within or there will not be any permanent change.

Sentient
Sentient
16 days ago
Reply to  ‘Lil Mr.

How do you know any of that shit? Because media in America spews it? JFC pull your head out.

alx
alx
16 days ago
Reply to  ‘Lil Mr.

cia bot

gwp
gwp
15 days ago
Reply to  ‘Lil Mr.

Iran said 3500 killed, 700 insurgents 500 security the rest civilians. Supposedly they have issued a list of names.
Iran International news said 33,000… but it’s funded by the Saudi’s and no basis for it, other than to make up a bigger number than anyone else.
Highly likely was instigated by the West using dissident groups funded and equipped by US and Israel.

Frosty
Frosty
15 days ago
Reply to  gwp

Doublespeak…

Quatloo
Quatloo
15 days ago
Reply to  gwp

Mossad openly bragged about having agents in Iran. They organized the protests and convinced Trump Iran was ready to topple.

Kevin
Kevin
15 days ago
Reply to  ‘Lil Mr.

When I hear remarks like “The price of freedom”, “Global leadership” and “Appeasement at Munich”, I know there is bullshit incoming.

‘Lil Mr.
‘Lil Mr.
15 days ago
Reply to  Kevin

I think you all completely missed my point. We shouldn’t be going to war there because it will only screw things up. Lasting change has to come from within. The cost freedom isn’t American lives, it’s the lives of the Irani people.

njbr
njbr
16 days ago

Iranian demands

US out of the ME
Reparations for damages
Rollback of all sanctions in 60 days

fail to comply and Iran widens the economic and military damage, and proceeds down the nuclear path in alliance with Russia and China–both have issued statements corresponding to Iran’s

Trump cannot bring himself to see there is no real military solution but just a humiliating political solution

State of play today

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
16 days ago
Reply to  njbr

Down goes Slovenia!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/slovenia-limits-fuel-purchases-as-some-pumps-run-dry/ar-AA1ZaPJN

– Slovenia on Sunday temporarily limited fuel purchases to tackle shortages at the pump caused in part by cross-border fuelling and stockpiling due to the Iran war, raising concerns about security of supplies just as the country goes to the polls. 

first domino to tip over, you know what happens next.

If this hits France, I wonder how poor old Doug is going to get gas 🙁

jhrodd
jhrodd
16 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Down goes Slovenia!”

Thanks, Howard!

pokercat
pokercat
16 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Yesterday at the entry to I-81 in East TN I stopped at a Pilot to fill up. To my surprise the reg gas $3.57 and mid grade were both E15 not usable in my 2020 Prius. The only usable gas was premium at $4.27. I went to another station nearby and bought reg E10 for $3.57. I wonder weather this was actually just a scam and the labeled E15 was actually the same old E10 they’ve had for years.

El Capitan
El Capitan
16 days ago

The 25th

Frosty
Frosty
16 days ago

Got Gas?

Regular gas was $2.96 the day of the election. It is $3.99 now at the same station.

Diesel was $3.79 then and is $5.29 today.

There are 7 million Israelis. $200 billion on top of the $40 billion in the last three weeks is around $35,000 per Israeli citizen. How many Americans are without healthcare or adequate food and affordable housing?

Ask Donald Trump why that is???

Winning?

LoathingInLV
LoathingInLV
16 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

When he asked people to vote for the America first candidate, he recently clarified he meant – suckers, I meant the Israel first candidate. I wonder why so many expulsions? All the world is mad save me and thee, and I have my doubts about thee…no introspection or empathy for the other by these zionists.

Peace
Peace
16 days ago

Underground tunnels are filled with drones and missiles.
Although US and Israel declared they have obliterated the tunnels,
I don’t see/hear the major blasts of the tunnels.
So I assume tunnels are still intact.
And still active.
Like GAZA tunnels but much better equipped.

Look at known nuclear plants – seems still intact after at least
3 major bunker buster bombings.

Last edited 16 days ago by Peace
Frosty
Frosty
16 days ago

Iran has no centralized government that can surrender. If they could surrender, it may be meaningless as trump breaks treaties on the same whims he applies tariffs.

To me this looks more like an ethnic/theocratic “Cleansing” complete with bombing schools, hospitals water plants and all supporting infrastructure of civilized living.

We do not see reports from Iran showing the damage to their cities and infrastructure so there is no way to know the true horror of this war.

***Without aggressive governments and theocracies, we are all people that love our children and want to live in peace and prosperity.***

Jennifer Scuteri
Jennifer Scuteri
16 days ago

We all need to stay at 10,000 feet.

Trump’s war is clearly not about the imminent threat of an attack by Iran. He has now twisted the imminency to that of Israel attacking Iran. If Trump was not such a pussy, and had such knowledge, he should have publicly declared that if Israel attacked Iran, they were on their own.

Instead, the U.S. joined Israel in the bombing, resulting in the future leaders of Iran (young girls) being killed. Trump has lost his way with this war and is now destroying all that keeps the good Iranians alive.

Trump is a ridiculous and unserious person in a serious role.

Quatloo
Quatloo
16 days ago

Trump laughs at killing people for sport. The sailors in the Iranian training ship off the coast of Sri Lanka that the US torpedoed and then watched with amusement as they drowned. The people in the Caribbean they claimed were ‘Narco-terrorists’. I have no doubt the Epstein Files will show he is a pedophile as well. A disgusting, mean-spirited, lying, incompetent blowhard.

Last edited 16 days ago by Quatloo
LoathingInLV
LoathingInLV
16 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Who cares? Let’s not pretend all these countries are not also run by psychopathic killers. The people in power love their power and the people who make the decision to “kill” and the people who execute the kill itself also enjoy it. Otherwise, they would not get into that line of work. This neoliberal hippy unicorns and rainbow view of the world is inane. Hillary Clinton sure loved it – we came, we saw, he died after the Libyan tinpot dictator Qadaffi was knocked off courtesy of a bayonet being inserted into his anus. Note this happened after he gave up his nuclear program and ambitions but as Hitlery Clinton noted in her emails courtesy of Assange, they took him out as it was good for Israel and a gold-backed currency was not good for the USA.

Last edited 16 days ago by LoathingInLV
Kevin
Kevin
15 days ago

Had those young girls at that school completed that nuclear weapon (they were only weeks away from doing so), the world would have been at their mercy and likely subjected to Sharia law. Our greatest ally Israel would have been wiped off the map. Our freedom depends on good men doing bad things!

Frosty
Frosty
16 days ago

if trump won the war so decisively every day since he started it, how does Hormuz remain closed by Iran? They no longer even have centralized leadership.

Even if they were willing to declare it open why would trump keep his word? He never does on anything else he says.

Is Hormuz closed voluntarily by the shippers? What good would it be to “open it” if no one is loading ships to use it?

If you look at ship-finder.org it is clear that very few ships are attempting to travel through it and none have been sunk in the Strait. A few were hit in the Persian Gulf but none in the Strait.

More importantly, Qatar has shut down its production and loading of LNG, crude oil, helium, fertilizers and other refined or processed petrochemicals. As has Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, and others.

The risk of losing our other allies in the Middle East is high in my opinion, as is the risk of losing allies on a global basis.

This war is incredibly senseless!

LoathingInLV
LoathingInLV
16 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

Ironically, it is not actually closed by Iran which is a binary – closed = 1 or open = 0. It is worse than that from a US perspective. What Iran has done is apply a filter, i.e., letting the ships of its friends and allies through, albeit perhaps with a nice fee, but blocking the ships of its enemies and/or enemy allied countries. Plus, Iran is forcing the use of the Yuan for the oil transaction, accelerating the demise of the petrodollar and eroding the increasingly tenuous basis for the continued prosperity of the US economy. At some point, the US will have to escalate to oblivion or sue for peace. If the US escalates through the use of neutron bombs or other severe, effective, and not imaginary “Wunderwaffen” or wonder weapons, that will permit it to seize the resources of Iran without destroying the infrastructure and making it a radioactive hellhole. It could actually make sense in a natural law type of world (representing the Roman strategy of creating a desert and calling it a peace). However, this would cause us to be a pariah state and would be rather ironic given the bellowing about the need to attack Iran due to its willingness to take crazy severe actions with nuclear weapons or ballistic missiles. The alternative is Trump has to sue for peace and deescalate first to do so, thereby ipso facto admitting defeat. Iran however as the party facing existential extermination is more likely to escalate along with the US to the extent of its powers, thereby reducing the middle East to an uninhabitable wasteland.

Last edited 16 days ago by LoathingInLV
I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
16 days ago

The Trouble With Seizing Kharg IslandThe Trump administration is contemplating a move that could end or escalate the Iran war.

https://archive.ph/20260322205428/https://www.theatlantic.com/international/2026/03/iran-trump-kharg-island/686487/

Frosty
Frosty
16 days ago

Looks ugly! There are about 20,000 oil workers on Kahrg that have had their lives uprooted. Last time I was in a bar in a Wyoming oilfield, I quickly realized that oil workers are tough dudes. They work dirty jobs in unforgiving conditions. They like to fight for fun! As a farmer that plays mountain biker/rock climber I’m pretty strong and can usually handle things. Those oil workers had me and my buddy outnumbered and if we weren’t tired, dirty, and mellow? Who knows… (The burgers were great and the beer cold!). I do love America!

Sending 2,500 Elite Marines into Kahrg might not be enough boots since these oil workers have probably been armed modestly, have rudimentary training, a bad attitude because their backs are against a wall and they know the terrain.

Invading Kharg sounds a bit like invading Gallipoli to me.

Lawrence Bird
Lawrence Bird
16 days ago

I’m waiting to see this Osprey landing…should be quite the trick as a) Range: combat radius of 500 nautical miles with one internal auxiliary fuel tank and b) their ship is going to be at least 900 miles away if kept somewhere “safe”.

pokercat
pokercat
16 days ago
Reply to  Lawrence Bird

The V-22 Osprey has a troubled safety record, with over 15 major, fatal, or serious accidents occurring during training or testing since the 1990s. These incidents have resulted in dozens of deaths, with a high concentration of fatal crashes happening during training exercises rather than in active combat operations, often linked to mechanical failures like “hard clutch engagements”.
These cost between $70/90M each.

alx
alx
16 days ago

it is called stalemate

USA cant anything more w/ bombing…and Iran yet controls oil flow, and pounding
middle east, and israel

so need another distraction, WE WON, AND SH11IT!

pokercat
pokercat
15 days ago
Reply to  alx

And the Epstein files are still out there like a simmering pot on the back burner of the stove.

Mike
Mike
16 days ago

Iran is still wearing gloves. Apparently USA did not get all the subs. It has been continuously underestimated by Israel & USA. Once they target Israel’s 5 desalinization plants & allied nations they are getting serious.

Sentient
Sentient
16 days ago
Reply to  Mike

Hopefully they’ll keep Ben Gurion offline.

Joe Penny
Joe Penny
16 days ago
Reply to  Mike

Iran got hands

misc
misc
16 days ago
Reply to  Mike

There is no command and control structure in Iran. It’s completely up to the individual unit commanders what to target, and Iranian missile accuracy is well questionable.

The Iranian population has no internet access, so all they get is Iranian propaganda that they are winning. Dropping the entire country’s electrical system shows the Iranian populous just how badly they are losing.

Frosty
Frosty
16 days ago
Reply to  misc

True enough ~ plus it induces blast injuries, burns, dehydration, starvation, infectious diseases and all those benefits of being targeted by an outside Theocracy that hates your homelands Theocracy.

Where’s the popcorn?

pokercat
pokercat
16 days ago
Reply to  misc

Gas prices and shortages show the world just had badly America and Israel are losing.
There will be no “winners” in this war only death and destruction. The sooner two of those deaths are Donald Trump and Bibi the better off the world will be.

J_Schneider
J_Schneider
16 days ago

Iran’s power production and grid are quite decentralized and Iran is a big country, there are many powerplants. Examples of Serbia and Ukraine show that destroying power production and grid takes lots of time and missiles and is not possible to achieve 100%.

Loss of electricity is not going to lead to regime change and loss of ability to fight (power for military is generated by diesel generators).

Israel operates 12 power plants if I remember it right. Those will be easy targets for Iranian missiles (3 were damaged last year). The same goes for small kingdoms like Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE.

The results are predictable. Several hundred missiles fired (JASSM inventory disappering fast), 1/2 of Iranian grid still working, power generation of allies crippled.

The problem is that there are not many military targets left in Iran (it is difficult find those which are underground) and putting boots on the ground is the worst option Trump has. Pentagon came with this idea to destroy grid and Trump has embraced it fast.

USAF will be busy wasting expensive and precious JASSMs, Trump will be shouting We are winning! while showing pictures of damaged powerplants and three weeks later he will still face dilema Boots on the ground or not.

The idea is just a band-aid on the mess (no strategy, poor preparation) and an attempt to find an off-ramp while hoping that Iranians may accept truce. They will not. The new guys in Teheran know that it is now or never.

Sentient
Sentient
16 days ago
Reply to  J_Schneider

Great comment. JASSMs can go a lot further than JDAMs, so if they run out of JASSMs they won’t be able to stay around Iran’s perimeter. They’ll have to venture more into Iranian airspace. Then we’ll find out whether Iran’s air defense has really been obliterated.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  J_Schneider

I bet Hegseth got the idea from their evil version of ChatGPT.

Frosty
Frosty
16 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

While he was high on hairspray? Is he a TV spokesmodel? Or, what?

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

If you look closely, nothing above the eyes moves. It’s a prosthetic forehead with a wig built in, Kind of like Worf wore on Star Trek, but with more hair on top and in front.

Kevin
Kevin
15 days ago
Reply to  Frosty

He trades hair care product tips with Newsom. A little known bipartisan reach around in our polarized political climate.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
15 days ago
Reply to  Kevin

Ever seen them together? It’s the same prosthetic forehead, and it controls them both!

All hail the Prosthetic Forehead!

alx
alx
16 days ago
Reply to  J_Schneider

=Examples of Serbia and Ukraine show that destroying power production an

bs. dont know about serbia

but ukraine is simple AND YOU ARE WRONG!

50% + energy is generated BY 2 yet working Ukraine nuclear stations!

Putin CAN STOP THIS IN 2 HOURS

Lawrence Bird
Lawrence Bird
16 days ago

That Trump has said it in writing first will be used as evidence that any future attack on civilian power plants, water, etc were premeditate, deliberate actions which would in all likelihood constitute war crimes.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  Lawrence Bird

He’ll be long dead before any of those justice gears grind anywhere near him.

Quatloo
Quatloo
16 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Don’t worry, I’m guessing we will soon have an annual Trump Day you can use to grieve and mourn appropriately when that fateful day happens

Last edited 16 days ago by Quatloo
El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo

…and if you aren’t seen outside crying and wailing, or your performance isn’t convincing enough, they take one of your kids.

pokercat
pokercat
16 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo

You mean celebrate?

Creamer
Creamer
16 days ago

Do the JIDF shills think that “Iran would already have used the bomb by now” makes sense in a war ISRAEL STARTED?

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
16 days ago

Iran is experiencing hyper inflation. They just released a 10 million dollar note (after releasing a 5 million dollar note in February). The note is worth roughly 7 US dollars.

Mish you should do a post on hyper inflation in Iran because its happening and citizens struggling to withdraw money. Since hyper inflation is a political event is means that a regime change is very likely and coming from within (citizens rioting due to no food, power, worthless money).

Internet access is virtually non existent in Iran (only via black market).

None of that’s happening here. Doesn’t seem like that would be happening if you were winning the war.

Last edited 16 days ago by TexasTim65
LM2020
LM2020
16 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Wow, that’s a lot of dollars! Imagine how much that would be for the Iranians if, say, the Americans unsanctioned 140 million barrels of Iranian oil currently at sea.

Prices are up 30% since Trump became president, so your claims about our inflation might be a bit premature.

Joe Penny
Joe Penny
16 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Yeah, then you can bookmark the write-up and refer back to it when the same thing happens in the US.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Rioting would be a very bad idea with the Iranian troops all fired up with nobody to shoot at. Rioters would be seen as traitors, and given the current situation, it isn’t a stretch. Their government didn’t do this to them. Ours did.

alx
alx
16 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

=ince hyper inflation is a political event is means that a regime change

LOOK uneducated texas peasant opened again his mouth!

russia had hyperinflation in 90xx

nothing happened!

john
john
16 days ago

The Donald keeps saying the War is over and I really wish I could believe him– but?
Anybody want to buy my nice motorhome which has long range 200 gallon tanks? It’s supposedly good on gas and we will sorely miss it but as of now we just happen to be downsizing. Willing to take a Chinese built electric BYD vehicle as a straight trade.

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Nismo
Nismo
16 days ago
Reply to  john

Be thankful you don’t live in NZ where gas just hit $7.27/g. Those tanks would cost $1454 to fill.

Limey
Limey
16 days ago
Reply to  Nismo

That’s nothing, $7.50/g at least in UK.

Rex River
Rex River
16 days ago
Reply to  Limey

That’s UK’s fault for shutting down oil production in the North Sea, to save the planet…

LoathingInLV
LoathingInLV
16 days ago
Reply to  Rex River

Same story in California. The slick Newscum and his open border, super majority Democrat cronies are blaming everything but their insane regulations, taxes, fees, and other lawfare aimed at oil companies for the gas prices. I am not a fan of Trump, and I know Newscum is a retard (960 SAT for a rich white guy with tutors) but this is ridiculous. The multibillion dollar train to nowhere is also everyone’s fault but their own incompetence.

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Mark
Mark
16 days ago
Reply to  john

I’m your Huckleberry.
What year battery car you looking for?
2021 work?

Orakul
Orakul
16 days ago

So now we are asking the chat bots what’s lawful and what’s not 🙂 Iran attacking neighboring countries infrastructure – commercial and residential buildings, commercial ships, refineries, water plants etc is not a big problem but if US attacks power plants that’s automatically a war crime? What if that power plants supplies energy to a missiles building factory – those factories must use electricity from somewhere, right? US is not even a part in most of those treaties so it is not bound by them. Unbelievable!

Creamer
Creamer
16 days ago
Reply to  Orakul

“The US us not bound by the laws of war that they wrote” says the retard who just joked about asking chat bots basic questions.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  Creamer

They send a new stupid about every other day. They all sound the same.

Rex River
Rex River
16 days ago
Reply to  Orakul

The US would have lost world War II, had we adhered to those rules.

pokercat
pokercat
16 days ago
Reply to  Rex River

The US did not start WW II this one we did. The US govt and forces are war criminals, no question, no doubts.

Kevin
Kevin
15 days ago
Reply to  pokercat

Technically true. However, FDR did his damndest to get us in it and ended up sustaining the Soviets who helped start the war leaving the world with something far worse than Hitler.

pokercat
pokercat
15 days ago
Reply to  Kevin

OK so dig up FDR and piss on his remains. This is about a still alive war criminal currently the POTUS.

Peace
Peace
16 days ago
Reply to  Orakul

Iranian army is recruiting soldiers from Iran cities.
Soldiers are drinking water from distillation plants.
Legitimate targets?

pokercat
pokercat
15 days ago
Reply to  Peace

There are no “legitimate targets” in Iran. Nothing about this “war” is legitimate. The USA is violating international law by attacking a sovereign country without a lawful cause. The Epstein files are not a lawful cause.

alx
alx
16 days ago
Reply to  Orakul

usa started first and iran is in defense

know facts, mo11ron

Pete
Pete
16 days ago

Trump needs to be impeached, as does the Sr. Senator from Tel Aviv, Lindsey Graham.

Rex River
Rex River
16 days ago
Reply to  Pete

For what?

Quatloo
Quatloo
16 days ago
Reply to  Rex River

Well, let’s see, just in the last year:
-complicity in the Gaza genocide
-illegal military intervention in Venezuela
-lawless killings of boaters in the Atlantic
-complicity in killing negotiators multiple times
-corruption, including accepting a $400 million aircraft for his personal benefit, then having the US pay to furnish it
-Insider trading
-wrongful prosecution

Actually, my fingers are getting tired. What shouldn’t Trump be impeached for?

LoathingInLV
LoathingInLV
16 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Insider trading would require Nancy Pelosi and the entire legislative branch to be impeached and imprisoned as well, Dems and Republicans alike. Everyone but Rand Paul, Ro Khanna, and Thomas Massie I should say. Or perhaps they are just that smart that their portfolios outperform top hedge funds. It was wrong when Martha Stewart did it, but ok when the congress critters do it.

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Quatloo
Quatloo
15 days ago
Reply to  LoathingInLV

Well said, I agree completely!

pokercat
pokercat
16 days ago
Reply to  Rex River

Really? It’s a long list lets start with the most recent war crimes and proceed to pedophilia.

Sentient
Sentient
16 days ago
Reply to  Pete

South Carolinians should at least vote for Paul Dans – Graham’s primary challenger – on June 6. Dans is married to an actual woman.

Kevin
Kevin
15 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

Any of Graham’s likely GOP replacements will also be a stooge for Israel, just not as over the top with the rhetoric. Them southerners LOVE their jews and Izrul. And their black college football heroes!

DaveFromDenver
DaveFromDenver
16 days ago
Reply to  Pete

Nothing good can happen until Trump is gone.
In the mean time we should close the Strait of Hormuz, to everyone!

Oleg Grozny
Oleg Grozny
16 days ago

If the world will not yield to my righteous demands, I will destroy the world. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

The Window Cleaner
The Window Cleaner
16 days ago

The only way forward is to keep pounding Iran, but not necessarily the power grid. Letting Iran/its current government survive will only enbolden them and thats trouble big time. In the mean time flood the country with covert Mosad and CIA and pledge to begin an uber Marshall Plan to rebuild and distribute income much more equitably with a new regime. It worked after WW II and is the only sane and humane way to proceed in Iran. Make an ally out of a defeated enemy.

Toutatis
Toutatis
16 days ago

In this case the only way forward for Iran is to pound heavily the Gulf states and Israel. Anyway pounding Iran may be a little bit difficult now. It seems that the S400 have appeared

Doug78
Doug78
16 days ago
Reply to  Toutatis

Appeared and disappeared in a flash of light.

Pete
Pete
16 days ago

Typical thinking of a citizen born into the height of an empire. You simply cannot realize, nor ever admit that this is a no-win scenario which is also typical of a dying empire.

“Keeping on pounding Iran” will never win an asymmetric war against a foe that now appears to be the Jedi master of asymmetric warfare.

We need to change our foreign policy such that it is actually fair and balanced and not so grotesquely butt licking to Israel.

Sentient
Sentient
16 days ago
Reply to  Pete

You’re cattle, goyim!

LoathingInLV
LoathingInLV
16 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

That is what I learned from those Epstein emails. Only the goyim should X, Y or Z. You live to serve this ship, serve well and live. Lyndsay “Rear Admiral” Graham, the senator from South Carolina (Israel) with a distinguished military history of taking pictures in Iraq (so brave), has taken that to heart. I wonder how many compromising pictures of him with young men the Mossad has to keep him in line to make sure the Christians in South Carolina continue to vote him in office. I haven’t seen a bigger queen than him since last time I was in the Castro. He is worse than Ted Cruz, who was exposed very well by Tucker.

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Sentient
Sentient
16 days ago
Reply to  LoathingInLV

Just because Ted Cruz is a thespian doesn’t mean he’s not gay.

Mark
Mark
16 days ago

Will Munny: Any man don’t wanna get killed better clear on out the back …

LoathingInLV
LoathingInLV
16 days ago

Let me guess another Boomertard for whom every enemy of ‘Murica or Israel is Adolf Hitler, every statesmen attempting to broker peace is the appeaser Neville Chamberlin, and the US has infinite amounts of capital to invest in every country other than its own to promote liberal democracy (plutocracy and corporatism) around the globe for the betterment of mankind. Sorry friend, but we are drowning in $39 trillion in debt, our young men and women and different races are at each other’s throats as birth rates decline and household formation is frozen due to third wave feminism, social media’s amplification of female hypergamy, outsourcing of jobs and wage deflation and home inflation unfettered immigration, identity politics and anti white boogeyman cultural imperialism, divide and rule by big education propagandists, etc….time to stop looking abroad for monsters to destroy and help the kids here at home.

I am not sending my kids to fight Iran for Israel, I will leave before that happens. I want to see every Jewish American with a rifle and a military uniform on that has USA stenciled on it not IDF since this is their fight.

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I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
16 days ago
El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago

Jesus will step in and smite them when we run out.

LoathingInLV
LoathingInLV
16 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

100% Hegseth approved.
In fact, I think that is the plan. Our Jesus can take your pedophile.

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RJM Consulting
RJM Consulting
16 days ago

The author of the WSJ article (opinion) is “talking his own book”. The antidote to more war is not more more war. In that mindset, all countries become backrupted by the military/industrial complex. Idiocy for a civilized world.

pokercat
pokercat
16 days ago

Sure long term contracts so the MIC can take their time, maximize profits and deliver out of date weapons systems.
The author is a fool or worse yet a snake oil salesman.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
16 days ago

Is this where this is heading? We’re going to invade this island/ Iran and then we’re going to set up some sort of Iraqi style green zone with McDonald’s and Chick-fil-A’s and simply just sit in big chairs and run the toll booth at the strait?? I partly jest but still ask: Whats the plan??

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago

There is no plan, nor is there a concept of a plan.

It is a shitshow, and all must dance.

Sentient
Sentient
16 days ago

The plan is to send in some Marines and 82nd Airborne. Somewhere. Somehow. Then Iran surrenders unconditionally. That’s the plan. Whaddya think?

RJM Consulting
RJM Consulting
16 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

Close. Actually the plan is “kill bad guys.” The end.

pokercat
pokercat
16 days ago
Reply to  RJM Consulting

Unfortunately we are the bad guys. We could withdraw from Iran, attack Israel and give the defeated Israel to the Palestinians. Trump and his drunktard get their war, oil flows again and the ME issues are mostly solved. Of course we’d have to make restitution to Iran but they may be satisfied with a few billions of dollars and the entire trump administrations collective heads in a box.

Kevin
Kevin
15 days ago
Reply to  pokercat

I like it! But NO Israelis allowed to migrate to the US and all dual citizens must be deported. Some, such as AIPAC and ADL leaders, members and donors shall be tried for subversion, espionage and promoting and financing terrorism.

LoathingInLV
LoathingInLV
16 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

I think that is more of a plan than Trump and his Israel bootlickers have thought up. That being said, Mossad and the Samson option types over in Israel may not be the most moral army in the world, but they are intelligent, thoughtful and relentlessly and selfishly focused on their own self interest. They must have something in mind beyond kicking up a hornets nest, waiting and watching, and then periodically mowing the lawn so to speak when the hornets threaten to emerge from the ruins again. After all Israel is export driven and needs buyers in countries like China, Japan, and others highly dependent on the direct and indirect economic ripples related to the Strait of Hormuz. My hope is they let Trump in on it when they are good and ready to kick off the next phase. Otherwise, we are really and truly fucked.

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Kevin
Kevin
15 days ago
Reply to  LoathingInLV

If Israel is “export driven”, they haven’t gotten the memo. Data I’ve seen shows they’ve run a trade deficit nearly every year since at least the late 1950s and probably all their existence. Without having a currency that offers an “exorbitant privilege” like the US Dollar, that is impossible to sustain without outside cash flows in the form of foreign aid, donations, profits/dividends from overseas investments, profits from organized crime and a heapin’ helpin’ of currency support from foreign central bank intervention.

The major Israeli export of which I am aware is trouble.

LoathingInLV
LoathingInLV
16 days ago

Don’t forget Chipotle.

Webej
Webej
16 days ago

At this point this Administration and the military have committed so many war crimes in deed and in word (self-incrimination) that a few more won’t matter.

Prosecution would be more clear cut than the Nazi officials hung at Nuremberg.

The Iranians had earlier threatened to “do” on of the carriers (5000 men) if Usrael were to attack the power grid. US precedent is to always attack the power grid, sewer and water services.

Doug78
Doug78
16 days ago

Grok said it depends and it does depend on not what Trump said but what strikes are made. Dual-use installations are fair targets even in todays very restrained Rules of Engagement.

Mish to Grok: Has Iran threatened to hit Europe if trump does this?
Grok: No. There is no evidence that Iran has threatened to hit or attack Europe in response to Trump’s ultimatum.’

The missile with a range of 4,000 km is enough to reach 3/4 of Europe. Iran sent the message by showing they have it and the message was well received but Europe’s response was that negotiations with Iran are useless because that had promised them that their missiles only had a range of under 2,000 km so they shouldn’t feel threatened. They know Iran lied and now they do feel threatened. If negotiation is no longer possible then draw your own conclusion.

Frosty
Frosty
16 days ago
Reply to  Doug78

Perhaps they have new allies that have stepped in to support them. Escalation was one of the risks that was calculated and discounted.

I hope we can formulate some “win” scenario and get out, but hope is a shitty strategy.

Joe Penny
Joe Penny
16 days ago

Wait, hold on….did he say “4 days” or “4 weeks” ???

Daniel bannister
Daniel bannister
16 days ago

if Iran were to get the bomb, we can all agree terrible things would happen.

Who is willing to pay the price to keep that from happening?

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
16 days ago

Who is “we”? Hell, Iran could make a dirty bomb today.

Doug78
Doug78
16 days ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

Yes they can that’s why we need that 460 km of enriched uranium turned over.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  Doug78

They offered it, and then we sneak attacked without even ending the negotiation.

For Trumpstien, this isn’t about the uranium. He knows it can’t touch him, and he doesn’t care about anyone else.

Not even you, Dougie.

Doug78
Doug78
16 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

No they didn’t. They were stalling as they always do. They expected the midterms would keep them safe.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
15 days ago
Reply to  Doug78

So now you are an expert on the Iranian leadership, as well as an apologist for armed robbery? Where did you learn Persian?

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
15 days ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

Fox News. He also learned Spanish from Newsmax.

He proudly identifies as a pinche gringo.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
16 days ago
Reply to  Doug78

I suppose you always justify armed robbery?

Sentient
Sentient
16 days ago

If Iran had had the bomb, Epic Fuckup would not have been started. The one thing this war has made certain is that Iran will develop nuclear weapons. Whether that’s in weeks or 20 years, they will get nukes.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
16 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

The only protection from the treacherous Americans and Israelis.

Rex River
Rex River
16 days ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

If you’re an American leave! live in Iran and plead with them not to hang you!

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
16 days ago
Reply to  Rex River

Bootlicker.

Daniel bannister
Daniel bannister
16 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

The difference between Iran and the rest of the world with nukes is that the leadership of Iran will immediately use those nukes.

If you do not believe that then you have a poor understanding of just how much Islam affects the thinking of Irans leaders.

We wouldn’t use the bomb on our neighbors, neither would China Russia, Pakistan, India England France. But Iran would, and they do not care about what happens, only that Israel dies, and every citizen in Israel dies.

Iran is different than anyone else.

Sentient
Sentient
16 days ago

What are you – a Hugh Hewitt listener? There’s only one country that has ever used atomic weapons, and you’re in it.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

I’m getting subtle hints of Art Bell…

pokercat
pokercat
16 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Na Art would have aliens from another solar system hookup with the aliens under Antarctica and infiltrate our armed services to hookup with the shadow people that run it now.

Kevin
Kevin
15 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

I think he’s in Israel. I don’t think they’ve used nuclear weapons other than for blackmail.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago

And what will that gain them?

Oleg Grozny
Oleg Grozny
16 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

Nobody launches a war of choice against North Korea.

jhrodd
jhrodd
16 days ago
Reply to  Oleg Grozny

NK has nothing to steal.

Sentient
Sentient
16 days ago
Reply to  Oleg Grozny

Yup

Doug78
Doug78
16 days ago

That is why all this is happening. The only ones who trust Iran with the bomb can only be found in blogs like this one and hardly anywhere else.

Daniel bannister
Daniel bannister
16 days ago
Reply to  Doug78

Most Americans can’t find Iran on a map. They have far less understanding of the mindset of Iran’s leadership and how they would use the nuke.

Iran is different…they get nukes, they will use them, not hold onto them.

Anyone who says differently doesn’t know Iran.

Doug78
Doug78
16 days ago

They are the ones who don’t care until they have to. It’s not passivism nor is it love for Iran’s mullahs. They just want to be left alone but the world sometimes comes barging in and dumps on your couch. Then they pay attention.

Sentient
Sentient
16 days ago
Reply to  Doug78

Again with the “mullahs”.

Doug78
Doug78
16 days ago
Reply to  Sentient

You prefer which term?

Neal
Neal
16 days ago
Reply to  Doug78

WTF do you mean that they just want to be left alone? They are major suppliers of arms and funds to dozens of terrorist groups in the Middle East and have been for decades. Who is the major suppliers of arms to the Houthis? (Iran), Hezbollah? (Iran) and the list goes on.
The regime is run by Shia fanatics and they hate their neighbours that are either secular or Sunni.
I’m wondering if you have even been to this Middle East? Can you explain why the Iranians have been targeting civilian airports? I’ve been to several of the locations hit by Iran and there was nothing US related there. Maybe explain why they targeted Jerusalem with missiles?

Doug78
Doug78
16 days ago
Reply to  Neal

You misread my post. I was talking about the average American wanting to be left alone and not the mullahs. And yes I have spent years in the Middle East, learned the language and learned about Islam from the real hard-liners. They target civilian airports because they see the Gulf Arabs as hypocrites and if you know Islam you know that has a much stronger meaning than in English. For them hypocrites are to be destroyed.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago

And how do you know Iran, my Brand New Friend Daniel bannister?

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
16 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

good book HIGHLY recommend it
Mr Amanat is a highly reliable source of Iranian history

https://a.co/d/0dFKtWOf

Quatloo
Quatloo
16 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

He learned all about Iran by spending the weekend watching FOX News!

Kevin
Kevin
15 days ago

I actually hope Iran DOES get nukes.

pokercat
pokercat
16 days ago
Reply to  Doug78

It’s true the average American is stupid and weak minded, easy to manipulate. The MIC has them in the palm of their hand so to speak.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago

Iran is gonna get the bomb. We can’t stop them.

pokercat
pokercat
16 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

They must! Israel and America forced their hand.

pokercat
pokercat
16 days ago

Yeah, horrible. It might immunize Iran from the US killing their little girls 150 at a time. We are the bad guys here. We are the terrorists. Wake up,stop listening to the MIC controlled media.

Portlander
Portlander
16 days ago

This is the language of a war criminal.

This is the language of a man who will use Nukes as a matter of choice in a war of aggression.

Trumpo tore up Obama’s “no nukes” agreement with Iran. He then started this war from fear (no proof) of Iranian nukes.

Trump creates the problem; uses the media to mobilize fear; starts a pre-emptive war to “obliterate” the fear he created; causes many to die; escalates and creates more problems; and amplifies the heightened fears further in a doom loop. GW Bush exploited 9-11 in the same way to start his war in Iraq, which also was supported by Netanyahu and AIPAC.

This has to be a war crime. Indeed, the first Article of indictment in the Nuremburg trials was that Hitler committed aggression and started the war.

And where are Schumer and the Democrats? Supporting Israel to the hilt and giving Trump cover.

This ends only one way, as I see it, unless Russia or China get involved. Israel’s nuclear capabilities are fully explained by MIT’s Theodore Postol (see: https://youtu.be/UVydGDvszeo ).

Sadly, the “America First” extreme right is pointing to “Jews” as the root problem. Antisemitism is growing in the U.S. and Europe. The problem is Zionism and its bedfellows including Christian Nationalism and the neocons, not Jews or Judaism.

Bottom line: When Israel and Iran see themselves in an existential trap, escalation is very hard to stop. This could lead to “Total War.” Its implications must be considered seriously NOW, and the doom loop stopped.

Doug78
Doug78
16 days ago
Reply to  Portlander

Under Obama’s treaty Iran would have had the bomb by now. He only kicked the can down the road in order to get reelected.

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
16 days ago
Reply to  Portlander

Agreed, particularly with the distinction between Judaism and Zionism… two different things. Nothing about Israel’s most common religion excuses their immoral behavior, genocide, war crimes, etc, but neither does Israel act for all Jews- not even all Israeli Jews. Many American Jews are horrified by Israel’s actions. Zionism and Judaism are distinct ideas.

Kevin
Kevin
15 days ago
Reply to  Phil in CT

You better have a chat with the arbiter of the official definitions of zionism and antisemitism, Mr. Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADL.

you name it
you name it
16 days ago
Reply to  Portlander

Scathing article here. Provides the overall picture.

Non cancer-related, Ty & Charlene Bollinger are simply furious, that’s all.

“The Great Betrayal: How Trump Sold Out “America First” and “No New Wars”The Truth About Cancer, Mar 22, 2026”

https://thetruthaboutcancerofficial.substack.com/p/the-great-betrayal-how-trump-sold

Webej
Webej
16 days ago
Reply to  Portlander

Israel has already proved they have not moral qualms whatsoever.
So that won’t stop them deploying nukes.

The US military chain of command is harder to gauge, whether people would step up. So far they do not seem to have problems executing illegal orders.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  Webej

Mueller was a decorated vet, and some of them seem to have noticed how Trumpstien talked about his death.

There’s some hope.

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Charly
Charly
16 days ago

You sound like the lefties in North Jersey New York area in the late 1930s you’re in this conflict no matter what you do depends on where you wanna be you wanna be attacked like in Pearl Harbor or do you wanna maybe try to stop it this terrible hatred, you believe my religion or you’re dead women back in the stone ages forget about homosexuals you’re hung up in front of everybody. This is a little sidenote, but the state of New Jersey blew up a bunch of our power plants maybe they should be subjected to some kind of crime against society oh, by the way locally there was a major fire in one of our buildings in South Jersey. It happened to be a solar panel that caught on fire thank you greenies why don’t we let true people true scientist run, except for your green ideas which to me should be grumbled, crumbled back into the Earth, Mishtalk thank you i’m just a US citizen, expressing my feelings, liberty and prosperity freedom to express our feelings and the constant negative anti- US talk it’s not good for anyone! by the way, I like the Three Stooges I like to have a ridicule Hitler I think your theory about the Soviet Union in this reaction is wrong and take it from there. I’m just one man’s opinion now Mish i’m gonna go be a capitalist now and try to make some money adios amigos later

Phil in CT
Phil in CT
16 days ago
Reply to  Charly

Boop boopy doop
Your post reads like soup

Limey
Limey
16 days ago
Reply to  Charly

You o/d’d on your meds today, your ramblings show you to be of feeble mind, take a nap.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  Charly

What a fantastic insight!

Now give me a recipe for toll house cookies.

Call_Me_Al
Call_Me_Al
16 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Free tip:

Use a higher quality chocolate.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
16 days ago
RJM Consulting
RJM Consulting
16 days ago

Israel is not the only winner. Russia and China are both smiling in their counting houses. Its incredibly hard to see from what perspective there is anything close to a ‘win’ for the U.S. Unless the goal was to generate a great need for a replenishment fund for all the spent and expensive munitions used in a fruitless endeavor.

misc
misc
16 days ago

In a month or two, if you want to find out more about this conflict, you will need to go to page 6 or 7 of the paper.

It’ll just be background noise for things more important.

Sentient
Sentient
16 days ago
Reply to  misc

lol. No. Epic Fuckup will be roiling the world for years.

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Neal
Neal
16 days ago

Taking out the electricity supply needed to power military production isn’t a war crime.
Iran has already attacked Europe. I know you yanks a geographically challenged but Cyprus is part of Europe and has already been attacked by Iran or its proxies.
Iran attacking desalination plants is a war crime and that alone justifies taking them out. They are a terrorist regime and have funded attacks in my home country for many years that have killed more Egyptians than 9/11 and Pearl Harbour combined. The missiles that were used against Diego Garcia can just as easily reach my city and up the Nile. A government who lied about the range of its missiles isn’t trustworthy when it comes to its ability in regards its nuclear ambitions. For all we know they might send a missile against the Aswan High Dam or against Cairo loaded with a bomb. The Nile valley has 100 million, Cairo has 26 million. Paying a bit extra for petrol is worth it if Iran is no longer a threat

Joe Penny
Joe Penny
16 days ago
Reply to  Neal

Now do the Israeli lies about Dimona in the 60’s

Ha! Just noticed you can’t spell Israel without l-i-e-s

Webej
Webej
16 days ago
Reply to  Neal

How do we know the attacks on Cyprus, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Oman, and the Saudi Qatari infrastructure at the beginning was not Israel? Iran has denied all of these, whereas it does own many of the attacks since that have been tit for tat retaliation.

The US launched PRsM rocket artillery From Bahrein at desalination plants on Qeshm Island, so that redline has already been crossed.

USrael doesn’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to redlines, atrocities, or human rights in this context, unless you are cherry-picking events out of context.

Doug78
Doug78
16 days ago
Reply to  Webej

You can track them on radar duh.

Sentient
Sentient
16 days ago
Reply to  Doug78

Wow. You have your own radar? Maybe your own satellite? Or – like most Americans – you get your info from state-affiliated media. Do you believe there have only been 13 American deaths during Operation Epic Fuckup? Over 200 acknowledged wounded, but only 13 dead? I guess we’re just super lucky.

Quatloo
Quatloo
16 days ago
Reply to  Neal

A government who lied about the range of its missiles isn’t trustworthy”
How about a government that murders 175 people by firebombing a girls’ school?

Mike R
Mike R
16 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo

Also, the US and Israel never reveal the true capabilities of their weaponry. No one does. That data is always classified, and instead the unclassified data that is released is always off, usually understated, and in some cases overstated in order to obfuscate vulnerabilities or exploitable limitations.

If lying about military weaponry capability were a casus belli for war, then every nation would be able to declare war on every other nation at any time.

Last edited 16 days ago by Mike R
Neal
Neal
16 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo

The girls school is next to a military base and the site of the school had previously been part of that base. So a bad selection of target is a major screw up, not murder. Why would it be intentional and give the Iranian regime a PR win? And it hasnt been ruled out that the Iranians provided false intel to make it appear that the building was a military target. Losing a few hundred girls as pawns in a PR war would be no worse than what the mullahs have done over the decades ( like sending children into minefields in the Iran-Iraq war to step on the mines)

Quatloo
Quatloo
16 days ago
Reply to  Neal

This is just US and Israeli propaganda. The school had been operating for at least 7-10 years at that location and had an online presence, Even Google Maps could have told them it was a school. US intelligence is at best criminally negligent. Some indications they relied on Claude AI for targeting. At any rate the US still hasn’t admitted they were responsible, much less apologized, even though there is definitive evidence the damage was from a Tomahawk cruise missile. Trump repeatedly blamed the Iranians for firing the Tomahawk missile. Utterly brainless, heartless, and lawless.
https://www.reuters.com/investigations/bombed-iranian-girls-school-had-vivid-website-yearslong-online-presence-2026-03-12/

Last edited 16 days ago by Quatloo
pokercat
pokercat
16 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo

We are all war criminals now and will continue to be as long as we allow this administration to exist.

pokercat
pokercat
16 days ago
Reply to  Neal

Sorry I meant to shoot the guy next to you. My bad, you were wearing the wrong hat, so it’s really your fault. I’ll explain to your survivors. Dunce.

pokercat
pokercat
16 days ago
Reply to  Neal

What country anywhere tells the rest of the world exactly what their military capabilities are?

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
16 days ago

The US says the war is over and Iran says the Straits are open so what is this fight all about?

Didn’t Japan, China, and India negotiate passage through the Straits already?
Didn’t Trump say this war was over and winding down?

Well this is what happens when you elect endless GOP hillbillies and hicks to run the government.

And regardless of what happens over the next 12 months (surrender or capitulation or whatever), in a few years, like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc, Iran will be back to being the same old Iran. Nothing gained but trillions flushed down the toilet and tens of thousands of lives lost.

The only real change is the US will be $50 trillion in debt, a deeper demographic death spiral, and lower quality of life.

Got exit strategy?

Sentient
Sentient
16 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

$50 trillion? Them’s rookie numbers.

Joe Penny
Joe Penny
16 days ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

I think about this quite a bit…the whole end of empire debt thingy.

I just don’t see an exit…other then a physical one. I have other successful friends who have already pulled up stakes and left the country for places in Asia. I remember Jim Rogers leaving for Asia years ago (to Singapore?)…again, worried about the day the US collapses.

What debt level get’s it done? $100 trillion? $200 T? maybe Japan offers some clues? Social security will be gone long before then for those that have to rely on it along with most other gov benefit programs. Lot of death and starvation ahead.

The good news, Israel will be fine

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
16 days ago
Reply to  Joe Penny

A US collapse would engulf the whole world. There will be nowhere to hide so Jim Rogers is wasting his time doing what he did other than potentially moving there for cheaper lifestyle.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

That’s what I figure… and when everybody gets hungry, they’ll eat the foreigners first.

Sentient
Sentient
16 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Hear that MPO?

Mike R
Mike R
16 days ago

This is like the opening stages of the so-called Great Patriotic War, where first the Soviets destroyed everything of value that they could in the face of the Nazi invaders, and then the Nazis answered with the equivalent destructiveness both during their occupation and subsequent retreat when the Soviets were able to counterattack in 1943.

Only the difference today is that drumpf is just frantically pulling whatever levers he can – “NATO and Asian nations must reopen the strait”, “no they are COWARDS and we don’t need them anyway”, “who cares the war is winding down”, and now “we’ll obliterate your power generation infrastructure”. 5-D chess my ass, he is making tactical decision after tactical decision, and pulling whatever lever seems to make sense in the moment.

And throw in Hogsbreath making ridiculous statements like ‘no quarter’ and his other nonsense. Definitely the most idiotic and unqualified Defense Department head in at least the 20th and 21st century, if not in the entire history of the US.

It’s like war by the Three Stooges, but dumber.

Last edited 16 days ago by Mike R
I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
16 days ago
Reply to  Mike R

“History does not repeat itself, it rhymes”

Neil
Neil
16 days ago

Trump’s despair is deep it seems. China only needs to sit back and let Trump steer America into the abyss and then just pick up the pieces.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  Neil

That’s what it looks like they’re doing. You can’t engage diplomatically with that assclown in charge, because even if you do get a deal out of him, he will break it immediately.

They’re smiling gently and watching us burn ourselves down.

RJM Consulting
RJM Consulting
16 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

The earlier comment applies to China even more than Iran. Trump may be looking at his watch, but China is looking at the next decade. Trump is going to be a blip on the timeline. China does not need to be an aggressor; they have recognized the downspiral of western capitalism as Piketty and math have foretold. Money accumulates in the hands of those with capital, while hunger increases in the stomachs of labor. It works until it breaks, and the hypergeometric rise of debt in our fiscal balance sheet tells us it won’t take long.

LM2020
LM2020
16 days ago

I’m sure Europeans are on the phone to the Mar A Lago golf course this weekend trying to get the senile old pedophile to back down. Last thing Europe needs is another wave of refugees heading their way which 100% happens if Trump escalates this.

Doug78
Doug78
16 days ago
Reply to  LM2020

Actually it’s the opposite.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
16 days ago
Reply to  Doug78

As in the leaders are asking Trump to keep on going?

That’s what would make the most sense for Europe ‘in the long term’ given Iran can now strike Europe with missiles.

Doug78
Doug78
16 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Yes. They want him to go all the way. The Gulf states too. Even Qatar. Europe is very interested in the Golden Dome now.

Sentient
Sentient
16 days ago
Reply to  Doug78

There is no F’ing Golden Dome.

Limey
Limey
16 days ago
Reply to  Doug78

Are you party to any of these calls or you eavesdropped them or its just you think(?) or believe. Somehow I don’t think European leaders confide in US retirees before engaging with Governor Trump.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  Limey

He has vivid daydreams where he and Trumpstien are besties… kind of like the kid in that movie Jojo Rabbit

Quatloo
Quatloo
16 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Hopefully, Doug, JoJo and Stu get the opportunity to spend lots of time in a bomb shelter together

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo

They’ll all find places in the post stupacolyptic fascist state, as lower level functionaries whose primary purpose is to be shat on by the next two layers of functionaries above them. As long as they have someone below them, it will be enough.

Feral Finster
Feral Finster
16 days ago

Which is why I ignored Trump’s bafflegab about winding the war down.

His Israeli master won’t let him and Trump is a monkey on a string.

Joe Penny
Joe Penny
16 days ago
Reply to  Feral Finster

Bibi spinning Trump like a dreidel

Joe Penny
Joe Penny
16 days ago

Again, the Strait is open…just not to Chrump ™ and Murder Inc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder%2C_Inc.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
16 days ago
Reply to  Joe Penny

If the strait is open then what’s the big deal? The US doesn’t ship anything through there (we get our oil elsewhere).

Of course at 2 million a toll on boats that might add up to 800 billion a year tax for those countries that do. I wonder how they’ll feel about paying that?

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

The big deal is the Iranians didn’t bend over and spread their cheeks for Trumpstien. They played him like the fool he is, and it hurt his feelings.

Quatloo
Quatloo
16 days ago
Reply to  El Trumpedo

Such rudeness is unimaginable!

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  Quatloo

They’re acting like a 13 year old girl!

Joe
Joe
16 days ago

If only the executive branch and our military leaders would follow St Augustine’s Just War principles which is embedded in the US Law of War Manual we would not be in this mess of endless foreign wars and debt against “adversaries” which 98% of our citizens could not find on a map. Then again, if Congress should do their job and follow the Constitution this would end immediately.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
16 days ago
Reply to  Joe

But they won’t because they never have in the past for fear of being denounced as unpatriotic and then losing their election.

The only way congress is going to do something is with mass protests in the streets and that’s very unlikely to happen at this moment.

El Trumpedo
El Trumpedo
16 days ago
Reply to  Joe

How are billionaires gonna make more billions under that?

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