A Laughable Explanation of the G7 Oil Price Buyers’ Cartel Emerges

Yesterday, the G7 leaders met to discuss an oil buyers’ cartel to drive down the price of oil. I commented “The details are still being worked out. Whatever they are, they won’t work.”

Today,  we have the laughable details. 

Politico reports G7 Agrees to Find Ways to Impose Price Cap on Russian Oil.

Leaders of the G7 advanced economies on Tuesday reached a broad agreement to seek ways to impose a price cap on Russian oil, overcoming interventions from France that had sought a worldwide scheme, two officials told POLITICO.

The agreement, reached in the early hours of the third day of the G7 summit at Schloss Elmau in the Bavarian Alps, follows growing frustration among Western countries that their embargoes on Russian oil have had the counterproductive effect of driving up the global crude price. This has led to a situation where Moscow ends up earning more money for its war chest and where oil market reactions help drive runaway inflation.

The U.S. had pushed to tackle the problem via a price cap, which could be enforced by lifting sanctions on insurance for the cargo ships that transport Russian oil in return for a price deal. Under the U.S. plan discussed over the previous days, those sanctions would be lifted for countries that agreed only to buy Russian oil at a settled maximum price, creating an incentive to enforce the price cap.

The statement from the leaders ultimately identified this specifically as a preferred choice. “We will consider a range of approaches, including options for a possible comprehensive prohibition of all services, which enable transportation of Russian seaborne crude oil and petroleum products globally, unless the oil is purchased at or below a price to be agreed in consultations with international partners,” the statement said.

The Escalating Stupidity of it All

  1. The US and EU imposed sanctions on Russian oil and proposed to not buy any. 
  2. With supply reduced and supply chains disrupted, the price of oil rose.
  3. The US and EU added further sanctions including sanctions on any countries or companies that offered insurance on Russian oil tankers. 
  4. With no insurance, supply reduced further, and prices rose again.
  5. Sanctions also blocked Biden’s ability to get parts, again with the same impact, higher prices. 
  6. But sanctions did not stop the flow of oil or natural gas completely. 
  7. One result is that Russia made as more money on natural gas selling less of it at higher prices than it did before the sanctions.
  8. Russia avoided the oil sanctions by using small tankers, without insurance, to unload oil in the middle of the night to large Chinese oil tankers. So the oil is getting through, but at more expense, and on longer routes, again driving up the price.

Stop right there because that is where we were right before the G7 laughable solution to the mess.

The collective genius of the G7 concocted a scheme that would allow Russian tankers to get insurance. 

Then after Russian tankers get insurance, countries allegedly will refuse to buy the oil above a certain price. 

What a Freaking Hoot!

  1. What is going to force Russia to get insurance on its tankers?
  2. Even if Russia bought insurance what is going to force China and India to comply?

Regarding point number two, cheating would be massive. 

And if you thought it could not possibly get any stupider, well you were wrong. 

French President Emmanuel Macron actually proposed the same set of rules for all of OPEC!

Politico reported “Macron upended the discussions on Monday by calling for a worldwide price cap on oil prices instead of only targeting Russian oil sales.

After France backed down, the G7 agreed on the above buyer’s cartel deal.

Root of the Stupidity

The G7 does not want Russia to sell any oil but if they succeeded, the price has to rise unless production picks up elsewhere or demand drops.

Rather than admit economic fundamentals, G7 leaders, especially Biden and Macron keep doubling down on dumber and dumber ideas.

This latest proposal is so obviously stupid, I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. 

Occam’s Razor

I am a big fan of Occam’s Razor. The idea is best described as the simpler the explanation, the more likely it is to be correct.  

My corollary is “If stupidity is a possible explanation for anything, that’s likely the reason.” I use that idea to discard most conspiracy theories.

And as you look at the above proposal, you may be asking “Can these leaders really be that stupid?”, the unfortunate answer is “Yes!”. 

Central Bank Buy-Ins

Treasury Secretary and former Fed Chair Janet Yellen signed off on this cartel idea. 

And if you thought current Italian Prime Minister and former ECB chief Mario Draghi has anything on the ball, please think again.

Politico reported “Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi on Monday also pushed the G7 to eventually expand the price cap to Russian pipeline gas.

That should tell you how we got to the economic crisis we are in. 

How Stupidity Happens

Biden Forces Russia to Default, the Repercussions May be Serious

In case you missed it, please see Biden Forces Russia to Default, the Repercussions May be Serious

I discussed the previous Tweet in the above link. 

If you think forcing Russia to default was a good idea, you need to think again.

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jblvmohogon
jblvmohogon
3 years ago
I have now long said that Biden’s immensely wrong-headed agenda to FORCE the fast adoption of EV technologies via the Domestic Oil shutdown, as well as the Keystone stoppage, was incredibly just plain dumb. Simple Supply and Demand theory, I learned this fifty years ago, Economics 101, dictates that a reduction in Supply, for any reason, of a necessity, here, Oil, MUST result in higher prices, higher Demand, and supply shortages. Even Biden seems to have realized this, albeit, too late, as he begged the foreign oil producers, the Saudis, to ramp up production, they laughed at Biden, of course, as did the entire World. It is not any stretch of the imagination, to assume that Russia/Putin, wisely and logically, seeing immense Petrodollar profits and Biden’s inept weakness, decided to invade/decimate Ukraine. The economic strife we have now, can also easily be traced back to Biden’s anti-oil/fossil fuels agenda, as 6000 products we all use daily have reliance on oil, all goods and services we all need and use, have transportation as a component, all transportation, relies on fuel/gasoline/diesel/energy. All ALL increased costs are passed onto consumers, thus, huge increases in costs of living, Inflation, etc. It amazes me beyond belief, that Joe Biden, with his hugely bragged-about experience, would ignore Economics 101, its most basic Rule.
Irondoor
Irondoor
3 years ago
Biden and other Euro idiots banned Russian LNG. Russia sells LNG to China. China sells Russian LNG to Europe at triple the price it paid Russia. Everyone gets what they want, except for the European citizens who foot the bill.
Dr_Novaxx
Dr_Novaxx
3 years ago
FYI – A better statement of Occam’s razor is this: The simplest explanation is most likely to be correct.
FrankieCarbone
FrankieCarbone
3 years ago
Why do we need to have global hegemony?
Only sick, twisted, and totally self-absorbed, wicked people fancy this idea and unfortunately, there are a LOT of them, even lurking among us.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
In this case it is not just simple stupidity, but cognitive dissonance.
So firm is their faith in Western omnipotence & superiority, that their arrogance blinds them to reality, failing in the capacity to see that fundamentals always trump ideology.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
RRP is rising since Apr. Was China closure clogging the o/n market.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Word to the wise: Define acronyms. Don’t post in shorthand. You don’t want people to think you’re one of those babbling tweakers. LOL
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Putin the Great, Sweden and Finland under US umbrella.
BDR45
BDR45
3 years ago
Mish’s corollary:
1. Politicians would rather do something counterproductive than do nothing at all

2. When caught doing something that does not work, politicians would rather double down than admit a mistake

KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
We’ve officially become the wizard of oz behind the curtain. We think we can dictate to the world, but our power is gone. Asia is in charge now. Our military is inept. We’re broke. China is building a new world infrastructure that they’ll control. Everyone outside of close US allies is on board with it. And many of our close allies will jump ship in the near future.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Do you know that The Wizard of Oz is all about the politics of the Gilded Age, i.e., 1890s America?

Wizard = William McKinley, chosen by the robber barons, elected president in 1896, daft Republican figurehead

Cowardly Lion = William Jennings Bryan, blustering fool, losing Democratic presidential candidate of 1896 who declared, “We shall not be crucified on a cross of gold.”

Yellow Brick Road = Gold standard. Slavishly obeyed, no one asks why

Oz = Ounce

Emerald City = New York

Munchkins = Ordinary powerless people

Dorothy = Innocent observer

Scarecrow = Stupid American farmer

Tin Man = Heartless American industrial worker

Wicked Witch of the West = Railroad barons

Flying monkeys = Indians

Tornado = The deeply divided politics of the 1890s, possibly the Panic of 1893

—–

The movie was a remake of a hit Broadway musical, 1902. The musical was adapted by L. Frank Baum, author of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, 1900. Couched as a children’s story. Baum denied it was a political allegory; he had to eat, and it was his wisest course at the time. But the musical was changed during its run and political references were clear at the time. In the book Dorothy wore silver slippers, symbolizing the epic battle between by “free silver” movement against the gold standard. This was a huge political issue during the Gilded Age. Warner Brothers changed the slippers to ruby for the hit 1939 movie, not for political reasons but because they helped show off Technicolor.

Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
“Do you know that The Wizard of Oz is all about the politics of the Gilded Age, i.e., 1890s America?”
Learn something new everyday.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Whether or not it’s a political allegory gets debated because Baum denied it. But he had to, or he’d have been finished. “Cancel culture” ain’t exactly new, and an essentially pro-Populist author wasn’t going to make a good living at that time. I think the fit between the story and the politics of the era is just too close to deny the link.

By the way, prior to 1894, neither party dominated American politics. Then came the end of the railroad boom, hastened by John D. Rockfeller’s building of pipelines rather than pay exorbitant shipping rates to Vanderbilt and (I think) Scott of the Penn Central, but I might be wrong on the latter. RRs were very overbuilt, and the crash turned into the Panic of 1893, the severe and forgotten precursor to the Great Depression.

The president was Grover Cleveland, a Democrat. The midterms of 1894 produced the greatest landslide in American history. One-third of Congress was ousted, almost entirely by Republicans beating Democrats. Ordinary people danced in the streets. Really. J.P. Morgan, Rockfeller, and a few other titans literally chose the 1896 Republican nominee, and Rockfeller personally edited William McKinley’s convention speech. The resulting landslide for McKinley was followed by 38 years of Republican rule in the federal government, interrupted only by Woodrow Wilson.

McKinley was assassinated in Milwaukee six months into his second term, and Teddy Roosevelt took over and was elected president in 1904. He declined to run in ’08 and the barons who hated Teddy lined up behind Taft and won, but his rollbacks of Progressive reforms caused a reaction that got Wilson elected in ’12, partly because Teddy returned from one of his African safaris, mondo angry, and ran on an independent “Bull Moose Party” ticket, splitting the Repubs. (You see, Ross Perot had a political ancestor.)

The lefty commenters here shouldn’t confuse Teddy’s Progressives with themselves and their craziness. Today’s “progressives” are nothing like Teddy’s.

JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
One more tidbit. If you look at oil prices, you’ll see them given in price per barrel, i.e. 42 gallons, and abbreviated “bbl.” Why?
The answer: The first scaled-up oil shipments were from Ohio and Pennsylvania, on railroads. First Vanderbilt’s, then (I believe, maybe incorrectly) Scott’s Penn Central. They were shipped in barrels on flatbed railcars, the barrels holding 42 gallons. The barrels were blue. The abbreviation “bbl” stands for “blue barrel.” When the rail barons got too cheeky, Rockfeller wasn’t happy. He looked around inside one of his refineries and saw how the oil was moved around inside. Aha! he said. Pipelines!
TheBigRoastBeefFrog
TheBigRoastBeefFrog
3 years ago
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about th’universe!”
Attributes to A. Einstein
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Turkey has given its OK for Finland and Sweden to officially enter Nato.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
What will that accomplish?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
It strengthens Nato’s northern flank with the addition of two members endowed with effective militaries and industrial bases. It also confirms Turkey’s attachment to Nato which is something Putin has been working against for a long time. Now you tell m why you are sure it is a disaster for Nato.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Not sure I would use the word effective military when describing Sweden. They have only 16000 active personnel and no reserves. They also have next to no modern aircraft, tanks, naval forces for attack purposes etc.
Finland at least has lots of reserves and a long history of defending itself against Russia in Winter climate (including successfully in WWII) so I
But neither brings anything substantial to NATO other than a place for the US to put missiles. If the goal was to just find a place to put more US missiles then it’s mission accomplished. But in terms of usefulness to help NATO they mean nothing. NATO is essentially the US military with a small assist from the British.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Sweden has a military industrial base that cooperates through joint-ventures with other Nordic countries. Sweden’s specialty is it good air force with over 150 planes. Finland’s specialty is it’s good land forces so Sweden and Finland compliment each other. Both have numerous naval ships such as corvettes, mine-layers, mine-sweepers, submarines, transport and patrol boats. Additionally Finland is buying 64 F-35s. They both tie up the Baltic sea quite nicely leaving Russia with only one ice-free port with Kaliningrad which is an enclave and recently has had its rail links to Russia cut off. There is no longer any neutral waters available for things like Russian subs to play around in as they used to have the habit to do. The same thing for airspace.
You should update a bit.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Just to be clear, military industrial base means nothing. The US can supply whatever NATO needs. More importantly, if shooting with Russia starts, it will all be over in a week at most as everything (planes, boats, tanks etc) all gets used up. There won’t be time for any industrial base to matter. After that it goes nuclear (if it already hadn’t).
As for the Baltic sea, I wasn’t aware that Russia was violating Finnish or Swedish territory on any regular basis. International waters is only 3 miles. Plenty of room for Russian naval and air forces to maneuver around in the Baltic.
Even if there isn’t, do you really think NATO would actually shoot at a Russian boat or plane right now? It would spark an instant war. The kind that would only be resolved via nuclear confrontation. I don’t think anyone in the west (minus a few extremists) wants that kind of outcome. There’s a reason the US and Russia fight proxy wars in Ukraine and Afghanistan and Syria. They both go to great lengths to avoid direct confrontation.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
An additional industrial base means you have more people who can make weapons and keep making them for a longer time. The short war idea is very seductive but history shows that short wars turn into long ones frequently.
Sweden’s waters have been violated enough for Sweden to be sufficiently alarmed enough to join Nato. They didn’t do it on a whim. Both Sweden’s and Finland’s airspaces have been violated on a regular basis ever since the Ukraine war started. It was Putin’s way of sending a message which those countries understood so they joined Nato. in 2015 Sweden being worried about Russia’s intentions (rightly so) after Crimea stationed troops and equipment on Gotland.
Do I think Nato would shoot at a Russian boat of plane? I doubt it but if it is where it should not be then that poses a problem. Would Russia shoot at a Nato plane or ship? I don’t know. I am sure you noticed that sometimes Russia claims countries and territories as Russian when it isn’t and in that ls danger. Till now the proxy wars were far away but now the war is in Europe and it is on the largest scale seen since WW II there. That cannot be labelled as just another proxy war because it isn’t. The stakes are much higher.
Irondoor
Irondoor
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
The US, Britain and the EU are bankrupt. How will they sustain a long conventional war against Russia, China, N Korea, Iran, etc? Britain and the EU have limited energy resources, which would be cut off. Which way does Saudi Arabia go?
Irondoor
Irondoor
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
It will be a disaster for anyone depending on Germany and France for their survival. Upon whom does the NATO alliance depend? The US President’s decisions to defend Eastern Europe and the Pacific simultaneously. China, N Korea, Iran and Russia are waiting for opportunity. India is straddling the fence.
MichaelKet
MichaelKet
3 years ago
Hi Mish,
I really like the blog you host, your articles are really insightful.
I did also like the entry about so called CryptoTwitter bubble where all the news go in a circle and to break out of it should ask opposite questions/challenge ideas.
I’ve got question here – on what channels/media streams you challenge yourselve and validate ideas? I did see recently few quotes from EuroIntelligence. What else?
I believe going straight against mainstream media is a little too simple/not that straightforward.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  MichaelKet
I subscribe to Bloomberg, NYT, WSJ, and the Washington Post
I used to subscribe to Financial Times but it is more expensive and they bitch if I use more than a sentence or two.
I read Eurointelligence daily for their free column. What I like about them is their very unbiased reporting. These guys are gung-ho Euro statists but their reporting is on what they see happening not what they want to happen. Quite unusual actually.
I follow hundreds of people on Twitter, many I nearly always disagree with. Paul Krugman for example.
Quite often I have over a hundred (not exaggerating) links open at once. Despite all that, sometimes I cannot find anything I want to write about. Other times I want to discuss 6 things but only have time for 3 of them. I do not want to do a dozen articles a day like ZeroHedge.
I also get all the economic reports from the BLS, Commerce Department, and BEA. I have Feeds from the St Louis Fed and New York Fed.
If you get the idea read a ton of economic stuff, you get the right idea. I watch TV about 0 hours a months.
Here is one final source and a great one for headlines.
I am pleased to be on that site. Many find me that way and also on Twitter.
I am very active on Twitter, guess about 20-30 comments a day.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
For both of you, some news aggregators.
Memeorandum is primarily incumbent, established U.S. media, which are almost entirely left-wing.
Real Clear Politics links to a lot of rising, non-traditional souces. Well-balanced between left and right. Lots of good stuff at Real Clear.

These two link to right-wing sources. Roughly as reliable as the established media, meaning about one-fourth of the time.

https://www.whatfinger.com/

Quark711
Quark711
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
For right of center commentary, my absolute favorite site is https://www.powerlineblog.com. Multiple contributors, each thoughtful and with a slightly different focus. I like the perspective they have, and they usually show their work with links, charts and graphs when appropriate. The regular Saturday morning meme compilation alone is worth the visit.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Quark711
That’s a right-wing political opinion blog. I think it’s pretty good as those things go. Of course, the WaPo and NYT are left-wing opinion blogs masquerading as news operations (along with ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, Reuters, AP, USA Today, CNN, and what’s left of metropolitan newspapers) and quite degraded.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Remember: the world has managed to replace 2% of its energy supply over the last 20+ years with wind and solar. And it only cost several $Trillion!
Also remember: global energy demand is rising by 1-2% EVERY YEAR.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Just for grins, I just topped off my diesel truck at $6.69. Unleaded regular was $6.04. All the rest is whipped cream on dog sht.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Completely unsustainable. Something is going to break.
gvnaga
gvnaga
3 years ago
why are we looking at all the possible stupidest ideas of bringing the oil prices down.
I know that we want to be environmentally sensitive and not drill and support oil drilling and switch to enviromentally acceptable energy production.
As I am aware, we are not at that point yet !
why don’t we solve the immediate problem by allowing oil drilling where we have plentiful and can support for the next decade or however long it takes to achieve the climate conscious production ?
common sense is hard to come by in our leaders and the 4th state
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  gvnaga
We had that option 2 decades ago. Climate change is happening now.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The climate has always been changing. What’s new is that progressives hate our standard of living and want to destroy us.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
How do you know that “the climate has always been changing”? Where did you learn that? It’s from the work of scientists who have used their skill and knowledge to piece together the climate history of earth. The scientists who can explain how climate changed in the past and why. And who are now telling you that the current global warming and climate change is not natural at all, and is being caused by man.
Stop falling for the political crap that the current global warming is natural. It isn’t. It is caused by mankind. Denying that only makes people look foolish.
The oil and gas companies know this. Which is why they are no longer reacting to the supply shortage by rapidly expanding capex. They are instead limiting capex spending because they know that the world is in a transition away from fossil fuels towards renewables. And they don’t want to get caught with a 50 years of reserves that won’t get used.
I cannot do anything about global warming or climate change. But I know that the world will spend the rest of this century, transitioning away from fossil fuels in order to try to prevent long term catastrophe for mankind.
And that creates an “opportunity” to make a lot of money from oil stocks over the rest of this decade.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
What were them ice ages about, professor? LOL
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Ask the scientists. They can explain them all. There used to be someone on this site who could explain them clearly as well. The same person who explained the very oil scenario that I have profited from.
There are plenty of legitimate scientific websites that will explain the climate history of earth. Unfortunately, there are also politically motivated websites that promote lies and garbage propaganda. Try NASA. Scientific American. So many to choose from.
Understanding science is no different from understanding business, markets etc. The more you understand, the more opportunities for you to profit from your understanding.
Forget the political noise. Focus on the truth and profit.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
The best source for climate news

http://wattsupwiththat.com/

PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
OMG!
And that is the problem.
Why don’t you try a site that focuses on science and reality.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Ask a geologist. There is PLENTY of evidence that the climate has always been changing, and the current variations are absolutely tiny in comparison. A geologist will also tell you that current atmospheric CO2 levels are LOW compared to the past, and that global temperatures are abnormally low (we are still in an ice age). Life does better in a warmer environment, which is why most life on Earth is currently huddling near the warmth of the equator.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Yes. And geologists will tell you that the high CO2 levels today are not from natural causes. They are caused by mankind.
Of course a chemist can tell you that as well. Based on the chemical isotopes in the atmosphere.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
A straw man argument that is always made. The issue isn’t whether or not CO2, in of itself, is warming the planet. No one denies that. The argument is how big of a problem it is. And global warming alarmist have been caught multiple times fudging their data to make things appear worse than reality. Why would they do that if the threat was so obvious?
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn

Lol! “No one denies this”!

You must be joking.

Of course there are politically brainwashed fools who deny this. They deny everything that modern science tells them, if it doesn’t suit their politically influenced pea brains.
I can’t stop people from being political and stupid.
And I can’t stop global warming or climate change from getting worse.
But at least I recognize what science and scientists are telling us.
And I can recognize how to profit from the energy transition that the world must go through as a result.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Aircraft and probably some ships will be burning fossil fuels 100 years from now. Maybe 200. Maybe 300. Oil is a great, dense, easily transported energy source. PS: The plan for an atomic aeroplane didn’t pan out.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Yes they likely will. What’s your point? And how does it relate to my investment strategy?
The fact that we will still be using fossil fuels for quite some time does not change the fact that our use of fossil fuels is contributing to the current global warming.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
We’re always 10 years away from doom. Climate change may lead to disaster, but having unaffordable electricity will certainly lead to disaster.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
That’s OK because Iran is only two years away from an atomic bomb. Again. Has been since the early 2000’s.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  gvnaga
“why don’t we solve the immediate problem by allowing oil drilling where we have plentiful and can support for the next decade or however long it takes to achieve the climate conscious production ?”
Ive always been skeptical of the climate change rhetoric and believe the real issue is peak oil. The United States is at a peak in oil production. Most production areas are in decline except for the Permean region. The only real growth in world oil supplies over the last decade have been Canadian oilsands and US shale.
In the 50s, Hubbert correctly predicted that US oil production would peak in the 70s and he was correct. US production has been on a consistent downslope since then until the growth of shale oil. US tight oil will now decline significantly in the years going forward.
There does not appear to be any coherent plan going forward to meet this reality. I believe that it looks inevitable that living standards will decline going forward due to the monetary mess and peak oil. Add to the lunacy, the US has alienated much of the world and my guess is that the idiotic sanctioning blowback will be significant as the world realigns going forward.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Lots of time spent and lots of talk about something that everyone here has no control over.
I certainly cannot control what is going on in the world. But I can try to take advantage of it.
Putin’s invasion of Ukraine and the world’s response to it is completely out of my control. And it is exacerbating a problem that was already developing: not enough oil and gas to meet the growing demand. We were going to end up here next year anyway. Putin merely got us here faster.
I find it funny that the focus here is on how Biden and other Western leaders are mucking things up. While that may be true, it is missing the big picture. A decade long developing shortage of oil and gas, as companies realize that the world is transitioning away from fossil fuels and toward renewables.
The result will be higher prices, higher profits, and higher cash flows for these currently very undervalued companies.
Got oil stocks?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I do, I do!
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Excellent! Most people here just want to argue why investing in oil stocks is a bad idea. I am on a mission to try to convince as many as possible to take advantage of this multi-year opportunity. Or as some would say; I’m talking my book.
Winn
Winn
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
So desperate attempt by the West!
Everybody can see who’s winning or losing
on the global chess board.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Winn
Everybody loses from war. And everybody loses from trade wars.
I can’t stop Putin. I can’t stop sanctions.
I “can” find a way to profit from what is going on.
You can keep playing your political games. I don’t care who you think is winning.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
You say the world is transitioning away from fossil fuels. So how do you explain that demand for fossil fuels rises (almost) every year and is now higher than ever before? You are suffering from the same cognitive dissonance that has severely infected Lefty media and the chattering classes. We are simply NOT transitioning away from fossil fuels.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Lol. You are too busy with your political discord to notice what others before me have said. All I am doing is to try to keep the their discussion going, now that they are no longer commenting here.
The scenario went like this (as simply as I can state it):
The world is attempting to transition from fossil fuels to renewables. Oil companies recognize this and are reducing their capex which will restrict future supply. But demand for energy is still going up faster than renewables can meet that demand. So demand for fossil fuels will keep increasing for the rest of this decade. Meaning the fossil fuel companies will reap a bonanza from the resulting high prices. Yet their shares trade at ridiculously low levels as investors believe the industry is headed into a bleak future.
It is a perfect storm. Oil stocks trading at incredibly low levels as they head into a period of higher and higher prices and profits. At $100 oil, many companies can pay off all their debt and buy back all their shares in 2-3 years. And prices are going to go a lot higher than $100 over the next year or two.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
The West appears determined to provoke a nuclear war with Russia. Some would say that this is also a stupid idea.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
For what it’s worth, this American thinks “stupid idea” is the mother of all understatements. If I’m going to be incinerated, at least not over Ukraine, which for hundreds and hundreds of years was a Russian province.
Wars are always bizarre. See “Mother Night” and “Catch 22” and “Slaughterhouse Five.” But this would take the cake, to glow in the dark because the feckless, stupid, pampered “leaders” decided to let the corrupt “president” of Ukraine determine their actions.
The utter idiocy just blows my expletive deleted mind
ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
3 years ago
Bretton Woods III, commodity backed currencies, seems more likely every day.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
The only meaningful commodity is gold. All other commodities are destroyed by use or have short lives, thereby eliminating the store of value function.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Gold’s supply has grown by about 1.5% a year for the last 4,000 years. The problem there is that the world economy’s long-term growth rate is about 3%. A gold standard is highly problematic.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Gold is a dead asset. Don’t waste your time on it.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
I don’t.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
99.99% of the Worlds population disagree with your “OPINION”!!!
I’m betting your a Closet Gold hoarder!
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
I don’t care about other’s opinions. And I care even less about your opinion.
And you would lose that bet.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
The CIA brought ‘conspiracy theory’ to the national idiom to encourage blind acceptance of the Warren Commission findings. Specifically, “Conspiracy theories have frequently thrown suspicion on our organisation [sic], for example, by falsely alleging that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for us.”
Occam’s knife: If you dare to disagree with the state-explanation, you are labelled a conspiracy theorist.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
We will see if it works or not. That’s the only thing you can say at this point. What we see are only the broad public declarations and not the detailed nitty-gritty or what goes on behind the scenes.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
No secret plan will eliminate trade. The only way to enforce it would be a worldwide blockade, and that’s not going to happen.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Not eliminate it but cut the trade to Russia to a trickle so that Russia can realize its dream of reaching total autarky in poverty.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
As Europe’s industries grind to a halt, the lights go out, and the homes are unheated next winter. In any hardship endurance contest, I would not bet against Russia.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
That is probably Putin’s biggest miscalculation and probably why he thought that the EU and especially Germany would have to close down without Russian energy. That is pretty much an exaggeration. There will be a slowdown in the energy-intensive industries but that will pass when alternate energy sources are tapped and that will take less than you think. In the meantime we will strangle your trade and industry.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
We shall see. Europe can probably keep the lights on by burning coal, but their industries are another matter and so is heating their residences.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
The German industries that will have to cut production are those who promoted Russian gas as sure and stable so they will not be complaining too much. A rationing system has been set up allocate the gas resources when Russia cuts the gas. It’s European-wide.
jhrodd
jhrodd
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
What a strange dream world you live in. The only calculation Russia made to withstand the economic onslaught by the US/ Nato was to become virtually debt free and resource independent. Putin couldn’t care less whether Germany shuts down without Russian energy. In fact a shut down German would be more unstable and dangerous to Russia. Putin has made every effort to keep up with their contractual obligations to supply energy to the EU in spite of the many sanctions that hinder them. Alternate energy, you’re joking right? How about Nuclear? https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/23/russia-dominates-global-nuclear-reactor-and-fuel-supply-chains.html
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Wait until the new elections in Europe as the “VOTERS” retaliate for these “HIGH PRICES” imposed on them by their own leaders!!!
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
President Biden on the Ruble
“As a result of our unprecedented sanctions, the ruble was almost immediately reduced to rubble.”
That lasted about 3 days
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Who’s actually buying rubles?
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
No one has to buy rubles for the price to rise.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
If I declare my old pickup to be worth 100k and nobody buys it, is it worth 100k?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Yup. Just like your house. Or your stock portfolio.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
As 0-bama reportedly said: “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to (expletive) things up.” LOL
dtj
dtj
3 years ago
There’s a chance this plan could work. Just like in “Dumb and Dumber”. A one in a million chance, but still a chance.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  dtj
There is no chance the plan can work. Zero.
However, there is a very reasonable chance the plan appears to work and an even better chance of claims that the plan did work.
Q: How does that happen?
A: QT and rate hikes coupled with recession leads to reduction in demand for oil. Price follows. Economic illiterates and the President take credit for the plan.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  dtj
What will happen from this plan is further bifurcation of the world–bringing us another step closer to WW3.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
WW2 was very much about all of that. In the 1930s, top U.S. foreign policy elites saw a dawning “quarter-sphere” world, with Japan dominating the far East; Russia dominating central Asia; Germany dominating Europe and Africa; and the U.S. and Britain dominating the Western Hemisphere. The U.S. and British economies didn’t mesh with South America, which is why those countries remained neutral until it became clear that the allies would win.

The Germans invented the askimark, with plans to exchange it for South American food, with the askimarks redeemable for German manufactured goods. The South Americans were receptive, because the U.S. was awash in agricultural surpluses and wasn’t importing much of anything from southern countries outside of bananas, coffee, and sugar.

It didn’t work for Germany because the war destroyed their industrial base, but nevertheless it was seen as a stark threat. In that quarter-sphere world, the other three spheres would be command economies with slave labor. The U.S. and Britain knew it would destroy them. I view WW2 as a classic trade war right out of antiquity, except that the post-war Bretton Woods system plus the U.S. Navy was established to facilitate trade among all comers — a fundamental departure from prior patterns.

One thing seems clear now: The U.S. sponsored “rules-based order” has been crumbling. Japan, South Korea, and the BRICs already see it. It won’t be bifurcation, but it’s rapidly becoming multi-polar. This sanctions regime has really accelerated it, and if the G-7 backs it up with American naval power, it will spell the final demise of the post-WW2 system. For now, the EU doesn’t want to face the military realities, and China is hooked on the American consumer market.

Replacing this will likely take time, but that doesn’t mean it’ll be smooth.

Agave
Agave
3 years ago
While the price of oil and its various manipulations is interesting in a transitory way, the real story today is the January 6th hearings again blowing away any pretense of detachment of the criminal former trump administration. Today brought further direct republican eye witness’ evidence of the grift, criminality, traitorous insurrection, and total disregard of many laws since it began – with the 2016 covert collaboration with Russia. Total violation of norms and laws that have kept our democracy from blowing apart the past 250 years. The GOP (Party of Putin) was all in on it. The image of that orange haired guy trying to grab the steering wheel from the secret service to steer himself back to lead the insurrection riot at the capitol building left me in convulsions! But the implications are far less humorous.
Lock ’em all up. For a long, long time.
Next up: stopping the illegitimate supreme Crusader Court that wants to create the a American Taliban right here on our shores, ruling in favor of all their pet projects to create a theocratic empire regardless of what the public wants, or what a serious application of jurisprudence and precedence would demand. The one authority that they are given by assent of the public is when they rule even handedly and objectively according to the law, by which they are given legitimacy. That is now gone (the way they were appointed and lied in hearings didn’t help either), while their little hordes of churchladies applaud the coup that they think they have achieved. Now we’re just gonna see about how well that works out!
Believe them when they show you who they are. Pay attention, elections matter. Do you still want a democracy here?
Naphtali
Naphtali
3 years ago
Reply to  Agave
I’ll stick with the constitutional republic, thanks.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Naphtali
But with an idiot man-baby dictator.
Quark711
Quark711
3 years ago
Reply to  Agave
Exactly what does all this blather have to do with Mish’s post? Gawd, it’s too bad being ignorant isn’t painful.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Agave
You got one thing right: elections do matter. Now, we have Biden.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Agave
You mean the “SOVIET SHOW TRIAL” that is embarrassing itself..

All these “OPINION” testimony will change in 2023, when they are called back to testify!!!

RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Agave
“The image of that orange haired guy trying to grab the steering
wheel from the secret service to steer himself back to lead the
insurrection riot at the capitol building left me in convulsions! But
the implications are far less humorous.”
Apparently, the driver and lead Secret Service agent, who were in the limo, unlike the surprise witness, are going to testify under oath that what she claimed, did not happen.
The implications are a Democrat Party dirty trick on the public.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Ruble Appreciation Continues
Sanctions did that too!
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
The stupidity is mind boggling. Not only for the obvious reasons that you’ve so cogently pointed out in numerous posts here and on Twitter, but also for the brazen ignorance of Russian history. These G-7 fools don’t have to go back to Peter the Great, yadda yadda yadda, although you’d think that at least the Europeans would know it.

All they really have to do is take a look at recent Russian history, i.e. 1942-1945. These fat, comfortable, spoiled G-7 “leaders” somehow have convinced themselves that a Russian nation that lost 26 million people in WW2 are going to capitulate? If I could have been in that room, my question would’ve been simple: Where do you get your mushrooms, because I want to see in colors too.

Putin is a despot, but by Russian standards he’s Ghandi compared to Stalin. Putting on my true cynic’s hat, I wonder if someone(s) are actually trying to boost his popularity at home. Watch me be wrong, but they have paved the way for Putin to dig deep into the Russian cultural DNA and rally that population behind him.

It goes into a bucket that I’d call the idiocy of national leadership. It’s behind most of the wars of the last 200 years. It doesn’t take any kind of genius to see it. The arrogance and stupidity of the G-7 “leadership” is as blatant as anything I’ve seen in my lifetime, at least out of the industrialized nations. I can only hope that, by tacitly blessing the Russian oil and gas trade, this is “Western” capitulation “hidden” behind a laughably transparent and unworkable buyer’s cartel fig leaf that they know is a joke. I actually hope so, because the alternative really could lead to WW3.

radar
radar
3 years ago
They’re really going to look stupid if Putin now decides to just turn it all off.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  radar
One person commented on Twitter that the point of forcing Russia to default meant the US could then seize Russian ships on the ocean for payment.
I replied, if they try that even once, Russia will shut off natural gas to the EU.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Everyone expects Russia to do that very soon. For some reason you still expect Europe to cave into Putin’s demands. If they were going to do that it would have happened back in February and they are not going to do it now. It will cause a recession of course but the short-term pain is worth the long-term gain. Alternat energy sources will come online.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
If the “West” starts seizing ships, there’ll be a war. They’ll get away with it for a while, but not for very long.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Seizing ships would screw up Putin’s plans for sure. How will Russia protect those ships?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Seizure of foreign ships on the high seas is sharply limited by historical precedent and modern treaties. If the U.S. does this with Russian-flagged ships carrying oil, it will be a classic act of war.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
One of my subordinates had been an officer on a U.S. nuclear sub stationed in Aberdeen, Scotland. He told me that the Navy habitually rigged its war games to dance around the reality, which is that the subs would always sink the aircraft carriers. The U.S. has 12 or 14 carriers; China just launched their third.

All of the industrialized countries are okay (at least for the last 60 or so years) with U.S. suzerainty over the oceans. It saves them big money, plus until this year the U.S. has been a neutral party, seizing ships only in tightly defined circumstances apart from ordinary commerce. At present, it’s in no one’s interest to challenge that. Everyone has benefitted from that part of the arrangement, laregly because the U.S. has not followed the age-old naval pattern of favoring its own transport.

There has been no need for it, plus U.S. history is one of neutrality on the high seas. Prior to WW1, the Germans sank a U.S. merchant ship in 1915, causing a major problem. Germany apologized but kept doing it, and the sinkings were the stated cause for entry into that war. Germany and Japan attacked some U.S. merchant ships prior to the declarations of war in December 1941, but mostly U.S. ships were stopped for a while and then released. Starting in January 1942, the U-boats were sinking American merchant ships in sight of the East Coast.

Thus, it’s not a “bright line,” but quite close. If the U.S. Navy begins seizing Russian cargoes on the high seas, it will constitute a major escalation. It will expand the current “cool war” outside of Ukraine, and be quite appropriately seen by the Russians as the beginning of direct warfare. In that contest, I’d much rather be the U.S. than Russia, especially given that Russia doesn’t have much of a navy to put it mildly. But they do have subs and Exocets.

I see no good reason for the U.S. to go to war with Russia over Ukraine, period.

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
The only reason is ‘distraction’ from incompetence and collapsing economies.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Seizing them on the high seas is the crude way of doing it. Keeping them from leaving a port once there is a better way for example. Anything that will slow their commerce down will be used. Nobody is going to invade Russia but outside Russia it is a different matter. Perhaps privateers would be the best way. Ukraine and Russia are at war and could issue letters of mark. Russia would have escort their ships but they can’t or arm them which isn’t easy and only effective against very light forces. There are other ways that do not involve direct confrontation. Anyway some risks will have to be taken.
radar
radar
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
They don’t need to seize them, just damage their propellers when they’re not moving.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Seizing a ship might constitute an act of war. What happens if there is a Russian submarine in the area?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
BINGO. The Russian navy is something of a joke, but not their subs. They are quite advanced and effective. The U.S. is very good at anti-sub tactics, but subs are very hard to locate even with our superior technology.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Here’s a thought that’s bounced between my ears: The “West” thinks that Russia is little but dry rot, and a military pushover. Might as well jam it in hard, and take the prize. There are some strong reasons to think so, but in a nuclear-armed world it’s incredibly risky. I ask: What’s the reward?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Freedom from people who want to take it away from us. There are always aholes who think they are Napoleon reincarnated and have a passive population so they try to get their name in history by starting a war. Putin at 70 was running out of time and said was now or never.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Stopping Russia from turning Eastern Europe into a craphole again.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Russia v Ukraine is two cancer patients fighting over the morphine, except that one has nuclear weapons.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
How many times have we been told Russia was about to loose in Ukraine?
How many times have we been told Russia has no drones? Yet NATO admits Russia is running more drones in Ukraine in the last few weeks..
How many times have we been told Russia is running out of missiles?
West intel has no idea what Russia arsenal capacity is!!!
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
I am not on either Russia’s or Ukraine’s side. I’m an American who sees NO REASON to take sides. Ukraine did better than expected, but they played a loser’s hand from the start. I wonder what’s behind the EU’s war mongering. Is it all coming from Senile Joe? I don’t know much of anything about those dynamics, but this latest move by the G-7 suggests that the hoo-hahs of western Europe weren’t exactly dealt from the top of the intellectual deck, that’s for sure.

Russia is a basket case. But so is Ukraine, and far smaller with far fewer resources. The Russians are being their usual selves: brutal, incompetent, and relentless. Anyone who thinks that Russia ain’t quite able to buy the armaments they can’t make themselves should be locked in a rubber room somewhere. If this didn’t seem to be heading toward a U.S.-Russian war (for what?!), I’d be laughing.

My maternal grandparents were refugees from the Great German Inflation of 1923. He was paid twice a day, and would run out at lunch with the other workers to buy food before the prices went up by dinnertime. He used to call Hitler “stupid,” and as a youngster I thought it was a disguised justification. As I aged, I changed my mind. People can be wrong and I won’t like it. But stupid is probably the worst insult I can throw, and has been that way for a couple or three decades.

This situation is stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid!

Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Same as the Cuban missile crisis.
We all pray to our Maker that there is a rational Russian officer aboard the submarine.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
If past is prologue, it won’t happen soon. If it does, it’ll be smoothed over. If it keeps happening, things change.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  radar
If I were Putin, that’s exactly what I’d do. I would call that bluff and watch Europe’s industries shut down, the lights go dark, and the homes freeze next winter.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
The Wealth of Nations starts with Adam Smith’s declaration of the obvious: It is human nature to truck and trade. The G-7 thinks it can stop this. Guess what? They will fail. The rest is details.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
So the attempts of these geniuses to (a) lower oil prices and (b) prevent Russia from making money selling oil has resulted in (a) higher oil prices and (b) Russia making even more money even while selling less oil. Wow!
Is there an Ignobel Prize in Economics? If there is, these bozos would be runaway winners!
Longer-term, I expect regime change in all of these countries. Bozo Biden is going to be neutered in November. And Macron has already been castrated, barely weeks after narrowly winning another term. The other clowns will follow them in due course.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Yes, I talked about that several times before. It’s so obvious even the G7 leaders now see it.
And not only that, but the Ruble is the strongest currency vs the US$.
Charts and discussion:
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Where can we see volume of ruble exchanges? Not having luck with Google.
This doesn’t look like the ruble is doing so well against the dollar, but doesn’t show volume:
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Nothing comes up.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
The biggest issue is not short term, but long term: the killing of goose that laid golden eggs. The setting up of parallel structures in the world economy and finance. Inertia was the driver of Western dominance, and now some big countries have the incentive and necessity to put an end to it.
Secondly, they convince themselves they can win a hybrid economic and hot war through their Ukrainian proxy right on the doorsteps against Russia, and now cannot wiggle out of it, so the only way is forward.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
I honestly wonder if this is actually the beginning of “Western” capitulation. Yeah, okay, we will buy it is the real message. We will set the price is the figleaf that no one believes.
Alternatively, we think Russia is a pushover, and if they nuke anyone it won’t be us in Europe because the winds blow from the west.
Any enforcement of this foolishness would necessarily be executed by the U.S. Navy. It would utterly shatter both American history of neutrality on the high seas and the post-WW2 “rules-based order” under which our navy has enjoyed global suzerainty on the water.
It would also be classic acts of war, going back forever. The U.S. fought the War of 1812 and both world wars partly over neutrality, especially the first two.
I guess when the president is diapered and senile, and has never looked at “public service” as anything other than a vehicle for graft, nothing else matters.
Eighthman
Eighthman
3 years ago
It’s all like the drug trade. Drugs are seized or suppressed by law. So, supplies go down and the prices go up. Soon, the drug dealers are making more money by selling less drugs. However, authorities can never completely stop the drug trade because there’s always some way to get through the prohibitions.
They’ve been doing this for decades but now it applies to oil.

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