Major Stress Test in Europe as Russia Shuts Down the Natural Gas Pipeline

As Europe races to fill natural gas storage before winter, Russia Halts Nord Stream Gas Pipeline, Ratcheting Up Pressure on Europe.

Russia shut down its main artery for natural gas to Europe for maintenance on Wednesday, in what Western governments see as the latest salvo in the Kremlin’s economic war on the continent.

Moscow has already throttled back deliveries over the Nord Stream pipeline—which links Russia’s prolific Siberian gas fields with Germany under the Baltic Sea—to just 20% of its maximum capacity, citing technical issues with its turbines. European officials have dismissed these explanations and have called the gas cuts an economic attack in retaliation for supporting Ukraine in the war.

Unlike the 10-day annual maintenance in July, the current Nord Stream shut-off caught officials and traders by surprise when it was announced earlier this month. Maintenance operations are usually telegraphed well in advance so that utilities and traders can make alternative arrangements.

While Gazprom restored gas flows following the works in July, it limited supplies just days later, citing technical problems with turbines. 

Energy Overhaul 

Burning Gas

As Europe’s energy costs skyrocket, Russia is burning off large amounts of natural gas, according to analysis shared with BBC News. The plant, near the border with Finland, is burning an estimated $10m worth of gas every day. The gas would previously have been exported to Germany.

Q: Why would Russia do that? 
A: It’s about well pressure and economic war

It’s hard to shut down and restart a well at a moments notice. Well pressure, outside temperatures, and maintenance costs come into play. 

If Russia does not have the storage and does not want to supply the EU then burning it off makes economic sense. 

Military War and Economic War

Russia started the war with Ukraine, but the US and EU started an economic war with sanctions.

Those sanctions have backfired miserably as predicted in advance in this corner.

Russia Is Making Heaps of Money From Oil

Even selling oil at a discount, Russia is making record amounts of money on oil. The New York Times ridiculously says Russia Is Making Heaps of Money From Oil, but There Is a Way to Stop That

Supposedly, the way to stop the profits is a buyers cartel. Such talk is ridiculous but has been going on for months.

There are too many countries willing to buy Russian oil at a discount for the US and EU to set a price. Moreover, Saudi Arabia can always slow production if price drops are too substantial. 

A Laughable Explanation of the G7 Oil Price Buyers’ Cartel Emerges

I wrote about the silliness of the idea on June 28 in A Laughable Explanation of the G7 Oil Price Buyers’ Cartel Emerges

The G7 does not want Russia to sell any oil but if they succeeded, the price has to rise unless production picks up elsewhere or demand drops.

Rather than admit economic fundamentals, G7 leaders, especially Biden and Macron keep doubling down on dumber and dumber ideas.

India and China are willing buyers. China alone is sufficient. 

How Stupidity Happens

What’s Next?

EU Natural Gas Futures courtesy of Trading Economics

Putin is the only one who could possibly know whether Russia turns the gas back on this Saturday and at what rate.

Natural gas futures in the EU have declined a whopping 29 percent in the past five days. That’s a market belief that things may be as bad as they get. 

Flows are only 20% of normal, yet EU winter storage is about 85% where it needs to be. 

However, Putin will not want the EU to fill its tanks before Winter so take that into consideration. 

EU Declares Energy Crisis ‘Emergency’, the US Will Not Be Immune

In case you missed it, please consider EU Declares Energy Crisis ‘Emergency’, the US Will Not Be Immune

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Webej
Webej
3 years ago
If it’s Russia that is using gas as a weapon and turning off the spigot, please explain
Dutch municipalities are suing the government to postpone the mandated cancelation of Gaz Prom contracts because they cannot get bids for their tenders and it would multiply their costs tenfold.
No. It’s all refusal to contract and pay.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
The preceding article is a few months dated but provides a pretty accurate viewpoint of the natural gas situation facing the US going forward. Like I have stated previously, I believe that at some point in the future, the US will somehow cap or restrict LNG exports. Some notable mentions from the article:
Opinion: US LNG is becoming a zero-sum game (energymonitor.ai)
“The US is now a world-beating gas exporter, but the spoils of LNG market dominance are increasingly coming at the expense of US consumers via higher gas prices”

“The Freeport outage illustrates how US LNG exports help to keep a lid on soaring European energy prices, while driving up domestic prices. Put simply, more US gas in Europe means less gas in America. So far, the US has enjoyed the economic benefits of its cheap shale gas bounty on the road to becoming a world player on the global LNG stage. Soon, it will have to choose between the two.

Industrial Energy Consumers of America, a Washington-based trade body that has been campaigning for years to cap US gas exports, has seized on this moment to drive home its message: US LNG is hurting American industry.”

“To stop LNG exports becoming a zero-sum game for the US, domestic gas demand must fall and/or US shale production must rise, at the same pace that gas liquefaction grows. A combination of the two (less demand and more supply) would also strike the balance needed to restore US gas inventories to seasonal norms and keep prices stable – but neither seem likely.”

“So, if US gas demand won’t fall to match rising exports, can production keep pace? Shale gas output grew spectacularly in the 2010s. A net increase in supply of 20Bcf/d since 2016 far outstripped the 10Bcf/d of new LNG export demand, creating the structural surplus that kept Henry Hub at a structural discount to prices in global gas markets – underpinning the original economic case for LNG exports.

However, field declines, constraints on investment and broken supply chains mean the US gas industry is at an inflection point. The Permian, Marcellus and Haynesville shale plays that drive supply growth are rapidly approaching peak production, tipping the US gas market from structural surplus to structural deficit.”

“The question of whether to ‘ban fracking’ became a divisive issue in the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries. Such a measure would be unconscionable today. Now that the US is no longer insulated from global energy crises, both Republicans and Democrats could find themselves agonising over whether to campaign on a platform to cap or ban LNG exports in the 2024 presidential ballot. If the market deteriorates rapidly over the summer, this issue could rise up the political agenda in time for the 2022 mid-terms.”
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
3 years ago
EU “Energy Policy” in a nutshell:
“Hope for a mild winter.”
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Bam_Man
Not on deck. The almanacs and ENSO oscillation are not promising mild.
Hansa Junchun
Hansa Junchun
3 years ago
When they say the EU has 85% of winter storage, what does that mean? Is that 100% of ALL gas used during winter, or just the excess that is needed during wintertime when the pipelines are supplying full capacity yet demand is high? IF its the former case — excess storage — then the EU is doomed.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Hansa Junchun
It is only the buffer for wintertime when more gas is drawn than can be supplied.
It does not represent the amount that would be needed to get through the winter without any supply: in cold winters it has gone down below 20% even with all the gas pipelines are piping in as much gas as possible.
I cannot give an estimate of the run-rate of the storage in a cold winter with current supply and no Russian gas, but I’m betting the only person such an estimate would gladden rhymes with Newton and highfalughtin.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
3 years ago
….only a foool breaks his own….fooot ….nice song ain t it ….
Anon1970
Anon1970
3 years ago
Russia started the shooting war but sanctions are often followed up by a shooting war. Think the US oil embargo on Japan in 1941. Then came the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. If you go back a few years prior to the Russian attack on Ukraine earlier this year, you get the US role in promoting the Maidan Revolution in Ukraine in 2014 which saw the ouster of a pro-Russia government and a pro-Western government installed in its place. The US has been ignoring Russia’s security interests since the unification of Germany in 1990. The biggest loser in the conflict so far, apart from Ukraine, appears to be Germany. But the sanctions and counter sanctions have disrupted world trade and electricity prices are way up in much of Europe.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon1970
Just to add, the chief witness to that agreement which was broken, ignored and broken again passed away this week.
Gorbachev was the best social worker the USSR produced, but a lousy politician.
If all leaders were like him the world would be a better place, but he walked into the shark pool filled with sharks and shysters.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon1970
The shooting started with the ATO (anti-terror operation) in 2014 with the Azov Nazi’s shooting up police stations and occupying Mariupol after they had voted 98% to join the DPR. Kharkiv also voted overwhelmingly for independence. They have been shelling civilians terrorist style ever since, not to mention all the people assassinated or picked up by the SBU, etc etc.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Western Allies Led By UK’s Johnson Sabotaged Tentative Ukraine-Russia Peace Deal… In April
We all suspected this was true, but now there’s evidence. Why are UK and US dictating peace terms for Ukraine? I thought protecting Ukrainian autonomy was of paramount importance.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I’ve read that Nixon allegedly sabotaged a potential peace deal in Vietnam when Johnson was president, while he was running for president in 1968.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Reagan, Carter, Iran, 1980
Call_Me
Call_Me
3 years ago
“1. Politicians would rather do something counterproductive than do nothing at all”
No point in mollycoddling them. They would rather do something detrimental than do nothing at all. It is perpetually election season and one has to “do” something so one can boast about it.
Call_Me_Al
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
3 years ago
Clown world.

“Sensible commentary on German affairs is often to be found only beyond our borders. As an editorial in the Neue Zürcher Zeitung puts it: “If the Federal Republic shuts down its last three nuclear power plants, this winter of all times, then the country is beyond all help.”

“Indeed, electricity is looking increasingly scarce across the entire continent. German power futures for January 2023 surged more than threefold towards the end of last week, as planners directed all spare natural gas into winter reserves. Prices have since fallen somewhat, but the essential scarcity of energy remains. There looms a deep macroeconomic shock, which threatens not only to crush many private finances, but also to devastate large sectors of German business and industry. It seems increasingly possible that we’ll see measures like managed brown-outs, with bizarre shortages of everyday products like toilet paper, as manufacturing is scaled back. Electricity prices have finally come to the notice of our political class, who have promised to remedy the problem with regulatory tinkering that will do nothing, because the problem is not regulation but the simple unavailability of a key commodity.”
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
“If Russia does not have the storage and does not want to supply the EU then burning it off makes economic sense.”
It may make cut off your nose to spite your face sense but it certainly does not make “economic” sense.
“Russia started the war with Ukraine, but the US and EU started an economic war with sanctions.”
Would you have preferred that we instigated a real war and the Western armies attacked Russia directly? Or just stood by with our hands in our pockets (as was essentially done with Crimea in 2014), saying “more tough luck Ukraine” because of economic issues?
There are times when we have to grab the bull by the tail and look the situation directly in the eye. It may stink like an a**hole but such is life.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The previous sentence to that was : “It’s hard to shut down and restart a well at a moments notice. Well pressure, outside temperatures, and maintenance costs come into play.”

Are you an expert to categorically state why it does not make economic sense? I guess not. Can’t expect much from Dumbocrat voters and equally dumb DONORcrat leaders, can we?

Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway

we can expect them to get your undies in a bunch.

Democritus
Democritus
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Come on Jojo, take an AK-47 and join the Ukraine army!
Grab the bull by the tail, you can do it!
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
It is a real war. People are being killed, property is being destroyed, by military armaments.
McCain simply shouldn’t have meddled in Ukraine. That is the part you don’t want to consider. Putin was in office for 14 years and never annexed Crimea. Had Yanukovich not been overthrown, the same would probably the status of Crimea, today.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
McCain is dead. Move on. We all have things in our past we might wish we didn’t do.
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo

Yo, the wars that McCain started are still with us!!!! And his victims are still dead and maimed. Ten years from now, Biden would have croaked. So? Then it wouldn’t matter that he took us to the threshold of nuclear war on not one, but two fronts? What a load of crock! Sheesh, the idiocy that you display is astounding!

Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The time to engage with Russia was in 2001 when Putin tried to join NAtO, or in 2007/2008 when Russia warned that Natofication of Ukraine was a red line, or in December 2021 when Russia came with a peace treaty, or in 2017 when Putin started to promise a slough of new asymmetric wonder-weapons, or the many times that the failure of the Minsk accords was broached, or when Yeltsin was begging Clinton not to expand NAtO in 1998, etc. Understand that Russians consider it a sacred duty inherited from their grandfathers to make sure the next war with the West is not again fought in the steppe (traditional Germanic invasions went through what is now called Ukraine).
The sanctions will not matter … as Putin stated, the sanctions will come regardless of anything we do.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
“India and China are willing buyers. China alone is sufficient.”
As I posted yesterday:
========
China Is Aggressively Reselling Russian Gas To Europe
Tuesday, Aug 30, 2022 – 06:00 PM
One month ago, we were surprised to read how, despite a suppressed appetite for energy amid its housing crash and economic downturn (for which “zero covid” has emerged as a convenient scapegoat for emperor Xi), China has been soaking up more Russian natural gas so far this year, while imports from most other sources declined.
In July, the SCMP reported that according to Chinese customs data, in the first six months of the year, China bought a total of 2.35 million tonnes of liquefied natural gas (LNG) – valued at US$2.16 billion. The import volume increased by 28.7% year on year, with the value surging by 182%. It meant Russia has surpassed Indonesia and the United States to become China’s fourth-largest supplier of LNG so far this year!
This, of course, is not to be confused with pipeline gas, where Russian producer Gazprom recently announced that its daily supplies to China via the Power of Siberia pipeline had reached a new all-time high (Russia is China’s second-largest pipeline natural gas supplier after Turkmenistan), and earlier revealed that the supply of Russian pipeline gas to China had increased by 63.4% in the first half of 2022.
What was behind this bizarre surge in Russian LNG imports, analysts speculated? After all, while China imports over half of the natural gas it consumes, with around two-thirds in the form of LNG, demand this year had fallen sharply amid economic headwinds and widespread shutdowns. In other words, why the surge in Russian LNG when i) domestic demand is just not there and ii) at the expense of everyone else?
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Great! As if adding a middleman is going to lower prices. Dumbocrat brains in action again!
Call_Me
Call_Me
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
ethanolpaul
ethanolpaul
3 years ago
Reply to  Call_Me
No. LNG vessels are unique, and in short supply. For crude, it is practical to lighter a certain amount of crude onto a vessel containing Russian crude. Voila, you now have “non-Russian” crude, and a valid B/L to prove it (Iran has been doing this for years).
Cannot safely do the same for LNG, and LNG vessel owners would be loathe to doctor the B/L. Instead, the Chinese traders are nominating cargoes (under contract) from U.S. and other countries for delivery to Europe, and keeping the Russian LNG in China. It does not make sense to ship a vessel to China, and then deliver to Europe (very limited capacity of the LNG vessels in aggregate = very expensive freight rates). Plus, China does not have liquefaction capacity for NG, which they would need in a complicatd scheme to “launder” the Russian gas. Also does not make sense to falsify the B/L if just renominating destination under U.S. supply contracts is an option (most certainly true in typical commodity trades).
As a final reason for the above, the U.S. liquefaction companies have been adding capacity over the last 5 years, during which time the Far East has been the major destination of cargoes. Sales are done under long term contracts, so making changes in destination requires that the customer arrange disposition of the cargo if customer does not want delivery at normal destination.
Call_Me
Call_Me
3 years ago
Reply to  ethanolpaul
Paul-
Apologies for my mirth, understated quotations, and subdued ” 🙂 “. The notion of laundering something in an ironic sense tends to amuse me and I presume you can agree washing crude oil would be a challenging endeavor.
Call_Me_Al
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
“What was behind this bizarre surge in Russian LNG imports, analysts speculated?”
Um, China is forging an alliance with Russia, while sending a clear message to the USA?
Meanwhile, the colder it gets in Europe, the worse the USA looks.
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Wrong as usual. China is a copycat nation. They don’t do much original research or creation. Now we will start to strangle their tech also, just as we are doing with Russia.
———
US bans Nvidia, AMD from exporting AI chips to China
9/1/2022
U.S. officials have reportedly barred Nvidia and AMD from exporting their AI chips to China.
In a regulatory filing, Nvidia said the ban would “address the risk that the covered products may be used in, or diverted to, a ‘military end use’ or ‘military end user’ in China and Russia.”
Both companies stress they don’t sell products in Russia.
The export restrictions cover Nvidia’s A100 and any systems that include them. The ban also covers Nvidia’s as-yet released H100 chips, with the company claiming such a license could impact its ability to complete the new product line’s development.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
You know this is a joke right..
China will still get them, through a third party any they don’t steal!!!
Duel use includes gas,oil,steel, ect ect ect, yet the USA and the rest of the world still sells it to China!!!
whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
LOL. So the companies would not find some way to circumvent those restrictions?! China is not just a big customer, but a HUGE customer.

When were you born? Last night??!!

JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Yep Europe just gave China, a hole in one to hold over Europe when they take Taiwan!!!!
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
A winter energy reckoning looms for the west | Financial Times (ft.com)
A winter energy reckoning looms for the West
“Across the world, politicians are ever more desperately looking to contain the explosive consequences of the energy crisis. In those parts of Asia, the Middle East and Africa already mired in multiple economic and political difficulties, the crisis is proving catastrophic.
Those who import liquid natural gas must now compete with European latecomers to the LNG market seeking an alternative to pipelined Russian gas. In early summer, Pakistan was unable to complete a single LNG tender. In poor countries, a large proportion of the state’s resources go on subsidising energy consumption. At prevailing prices, some cannot: earlier this month, the Sri Lankan Electricity Board imposed a 264 per cent increase on the country’s poorest energy users.

In Europe, governments want to alleviate the dire pressures on households as well as energy-intensive and small businesses, while letting spiralling prices, pleas to consume less and fear about the coming winter drive down demand. Fiscally, this means state funding to reduce rising energy bills by subsidising distributors, as in France, or transferring money to citizens to pay those bills, as in the UK.”

……………………………….
“This coming winter will bring a reckoning. Western governments must either invite economic misery on a scale that would test the fabric of democratic politics in any country, or face the fact that energy supply constrains the means by which Ukraine can be defended.”
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Wow! This is why I avoid most political discussions. I struggle to understand the number of people here who hate their own government and their allies governments so much that they end up being pro-Russian.
Regarding gas storage being almost full in Europe; please note that gas storage is still only 20% of what is needed to get through the winter. Storage simply provides a buffer. Europe still needs another 80% more in deliveries throughout the winter months. If you want to play the political blame game with that, knock yourselves out.
I cannot change what is happening in the world. But rather than play the political blame game, which is oh so popular here, I prefer to focus on what I can personally control: my investments.
It has been clear to me since I first read it on this blog two years ago, that the world is facing an energy crunch for the rest of this decade. Which is why I have been promoting oil and gas stocks since I started commenting here. And its not too late to participate.
The energy crunch was coming whether Putin started a war or not. And it was coming regardless of Europe’s response of sanctions. Those two things simply moved the crunch forward by a year or so.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
So if you’re a prudent investor like me, you’ve already looked up:
1. What are Germany’s top 10 exports
2. If Germany has to shutdown manufacturing of their exports due to high energy costs, that will cascade into shortages and inflation for those products.
3. The lack of German exports will cause supply chain problems in some key categories
4. Companies in the US and around the world will need to pick up the slack if they can and/or raise prices if they can’t. They will certainly earn some juicier profits.
5. Ready for the market to open tomorrow to place trades on key companies that will benefit from this fiasco.
6. Profit.
It’s time you accept the fact that you just need to embrace “quiet profiting” and move on…
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
“It’s time you accept the fact that you just need to embrace “quiet profiting” and move on…”
That’s mostly what i do. I rarely get into heated polictical discussions here.
I believe that you get into far more discussions than I do. Lol!
My main reason for commenting at all is to thank those who came before me and pay it back a little.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Your help is always much appreciated, thank you.
You are also by far the most practiced and accomplished gloater on this site.
Better even than MPO45.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Gloater? Me? WTH?
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker

Thanks. Call it whatever you want. I don’t mind. As far as I’m concerned its a h*ll of a lot better than all the constant whining and b*tching from the conspiracy kooks that frequent this blog. I don’t think I have ever seen a single piece of useful info from any of them. They are a waste of time. Which is why I have used the ignore feature on so many of them.

Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Slaves to Russian and Chinese propaganda, callinganyone that questions it a traitor.
Going to be funny watching them try to pretend Russia isn’t getting driven out of the country it invaded over hurt fee fees.
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave

“Wow! This is why I avoid most political discussions. I struggle to understand the number of people here who hate their own government and their allies governments so much that they end up being pro-Russian. ”

I don’t hate my government. But I do get annoyed how incompetent and corrupt it is.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Oh brother. When did not agreeing with your government equal hating your government. Do you realize the whole point of a democracy is to allow everyone to have a voice?
Reminds me of when everyone who was against the invasion of Iraq was called unpatriotic.
And I suspect when people criticized Trump, you didn’t view it as hating the government.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
The irony is Realist/Imgreen/MPO45/PapaDave or whatever alias he is at the moment probably talks politics the most on this board. He does get upset however when its not favoring his politics particularly pro democrats. He has no issues when anybody criticizes republicans and is probably himself the most anti republican voice on this board.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
So, he’s realist. The crazy guy who at first said the world was doomed because of global warming and then bragged about his investments in oil and gas. I always thought realist was a sarcastic name. Fantasyist would be more accurate.
Mike 2112
Mike 2112
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
It’s nice that you have the luxury to “not blame your own govt” while you “focus on your investments.”
But for Europeans life is about to get real hard due to their unwillingness to secure energy independence and instead rely on Green pie-in-the-sky dreams for their energy needs.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike 2112

I like having luxury. I will leave the blame-game to the morons here. They can waste as much of their time as they want blaming the government for everything.

Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
110 billion m³ through Nord Stream, not to mention the other 150 billionm³ capacity through Yamal, Brotherhood, Soyuz and SouthStream would certainly alleviate the most pressing needs.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Yes. That would help. But Europe is likely going to have a hard time this winter.
They should have it sorted out by next winter however.
We live in interesting times.
Avery
Avery
3 years ago
Isn’t this a great thing to mitigate Climate Change?
HOW DARE YOU!
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Avery
No it isn’t. Global warming and climate change are going to continue to get worse for the rest of this century. Its going to cost us all a lot. And there’s very little we can do to stop it.
Myself, I look to see how I can invest and profit from the situation. Because I sure can’t stop it.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Climate just is. It has no feelings. People have feelings. Few people live in Canada, as they feel it to be too cold a climate. Few people live in the Australian Outback, as they feel it to be too hot a climate.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Staple crops have the same feelings, and when they decide it’s too hot or cold , people feel hungry.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
BBC story early this morning “LIVE” was interesting..
Just a week ago they mentioned Germany was having problems filling its reserves, now Russia shuts down pipeline..
“Germany was able to fill its reserves faster than expected”
I call bs on the second part, they are on a “propaganda ops” to try not to panic the German people even more!!!~
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
They were able to buy some of the LNG Russia had exported to China who then reexported it to Germany. China got the gas at a discount and pocketed the difference and Germany was able fill their reserves quicker than expected. If you had kept up on what is happening you would have known that.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Thanks for relaying that information as a basis for exchange. Im confused as to why you claim the European energy crisis is exaggerated and yet Germany chooses rather to buy cheap reliable gas from a pipeline and pay triple for Russian LNG?
Did China get the gas at a discount?
Strange how the European energy crisis that didnt exist according to you is now temporary.
Im relaying the following information as a basis for exchange regarding Russias increased energy revenues. Thoughts?
Russia sees 38% rise in energy export earnings this year: Report | Oil and Gas News | Al Jazeera
“Higher oil export volumes, coupled with rising petrol prices, will boost Russia’s earnings from energy exports to $337.5bn this year, a 38 percent rise from 2021, according to an economy ministry document seen by Reuters news agency.”
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Now you give me some verifiable information.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“Now you give me some verifiable information.”
I just did.
(Google) Russia sees 38% rise in energy export earnings this year: Report | Oil and Gas News | Al Jazeera
We really seem to be having some issues with relaying information as a basis for exchange.
And again any thoughts on Mishs post which I believe is 100% accurate describing the situation in Europe in which you claimed was exaggerated and now claim is temporary
EU Declares Energy Crisis ‘Emergency’, the US Will Not Be Immune – Mish Talk – Global Economic Trend Analysis
Maybe Mishs post doesnt have any verifiable information in it either.
We really seem to be having an issue with relaying information as a basis as exchange in our debate and not getting anywhere. This is odd.
Doug78 “No I didn’t. Information is the basis for an exchange and he never has any.”
Ive been posting on numerous boards for 30some years and Ive actually never had any difficulty with not providing information as a basis for exchange but suddenly I have become “information basis exchange” challenged. This is a first for me.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
You just copy and paste articles that support your view.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“You just copy and paste articles that support your view”
Yes, that is correct, I do copy and paste articles that support my view as you do. I am open to differing views.
For example I recently posted an article that Australia is looking at restricting LNG exports as early as Oct 22. I also believe that the US at some point in the future will cap or also restrict LNG exports. Here is an article that supports that viewpt. As per the article, I believe that the US LNG exports will become an issue before the 2024 election. I also believe that there is a good possibility that US natural gas prices reach $20 by the end of 2023, more than double from now. If I am correct on that assumption, I can only imagine the political fallout. You are free to post opposing viewpts and I welcome them. You have stated that you view the US as your saviour with respect to LNG. I have a very different viewpt.
Opinion: US LNG is becoming a zero-sum game (energymonitor.ai)
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“The question of whether to ‘ban fracking’ became a divisive issue in the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries. Such a measure would be unconscionable today. Now that the US is no longer insulated from global energy crises, both Republicans and Democrats could find themselves agonising over whether to campaign on a platform to cap or ban LNG exports in the 2024 presidential ballot. If the market deteriorates rapidly over the summer, this issue could rise up the political agenda in time for the 2022 mid-terms”
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Actually I do not copy and past articles. You on the other hand copy and past whole articles and then leave it at that. It’s lazy to do that.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Show the proof, just did a search and zero info about LNG being sent from China!!!
All the stories come up from late last year, beginning of this year about ships carrying LNG to China being diverted to Europe…
If they were having problems filling their reserves last week, and all of sudden they don’t have a problem..
Leads to two problems, first story was a “LIE” or the second claim is a “LIE”!!!!
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
China Is Quietly Reselling Its Excess Russian LNG To Europe | OilPrice.com August 31,2022
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Yep they expect to be at 80% in Nov, which proves they were lying when they had ample reserves!!!
What’s the worlds response, if Russia turns the pipeline back on and all of a sudden the amount of gas going through the pipeline goes above 50%???
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Follow the logic and then you tell me.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
It’s either propaganda or Gemany has been buying Russian gas through a third party.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Germany bought the Russian gas via China as a middleman. I wonder if German is buying gas to top off their tanks from Hungary also even if Gazprom forbids it in the contract.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Again show the proof!!!
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
When I say “I wonder” it means I am speculating. That’s what the verb wonder means.
ethanolpaul
ethanolpaul
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Doug78, your posts make it sound like you are an expert on/in the natural gas business. So, please tell us which terminal does Germany have to regassify the LNG that they supposedly are buying from China. Hint: they don’t have regassification facilities at present. They plan to have one by the end of this year, but please do some homework to compare the capacity of such a facility to the volume of gas consumed by Germany. “Drop in a bucket” comes to mind. Germany would need 10-20 regassification facilities to make any difference.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  ethanolpaul
Germany does not have a regassification facility but the network of gas pipelines within Europe is dense and that the gas would have been offloaded in one of the LNG terminals and then piped to storage in Germany. There is a LNG terminal in Belgium, one in the Netherlands, four in France and because of proximity those are the more likely ones although there are also terminals in Poland and in other EU countries too. In all there are 21 LNG terminals in the EU.
European pipelines for gas and oil:
For Germany to fill it’s tanks for this winter it doesn’t need to have a LNG terminal itself as long as it has gas pipelines to LNG terminals in other countries. The determining factor is the the capacity of the regassification plants and the corresponding port facilities in EU countries and not the transport of that gas to Germany itself. There is much of gas pipeline capacity idled because of Russia cutting deliveries so getting it to Germany from say the Netherlands is easy. Germany wants its own LNG terminals so as to have direct access of course and fits into the general European push to increase its importation of LNG replacing Russian gas.
Frankly anyone with half a brain could see that LNG gets to Germany from other countries via the dense network of gas pipelines. The only way I can explain this is that some people did not know that you can reverse gas flows in the pipelines or maybe it just that they did not do their homework.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  ethanolpaul
Also I would like to mention that there are presently over twenty large-scale LNG terminals in the planning or construction phase in Europe. This will make Russian gas completely redundant.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Yes as ethanolpaul states at least and you agree with 20ish large scale LNG terminals are required. What remains to be seen is whether those terminals, required pipelines, come to fruition. The reverse gas flow is mostly irrelevent for the most part.
I have seen numbers of $300 billion that would be required if Europe were to switch to LNG. Liquification, shipping, regasification, pipelines, etc.
So am I correct to say that Europe is now switching its gas requirements to LNG which is what 3,5,10 times more expensive than pipeline natural gas? Your thoughts please?
Then never mind the infrastructure required in Europe to switch over to LNG energy, who is going to supply the natural gas?
“This will make Russian gas completely redundant.”
Yes, I agree with you, spending tens of billions over years to a LNG infrastructure would make Russian pipeline redundant. Im not understanding though why switching from reliable cheap Russian pipeline gas to Russian/Chinese LNG gas at up to 10x multiples is beneficial. Very confusing to me.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Actually there are more LNG terminals in the works from the last figures. LNG gas is more expensive than Russian gas but price is rarely the most important variable. Predictability is more important. Russia or more exactly the Soviet Union worked very hard to be a predictable supplier by keeping the gas on no matter what the international tensions were and it paid off with Germany ending up seeing Russia as a good business reliable partner so it saw little risk in upping the energy imports from Russia to being more and more a larger part of their total energy needs. The first problems in Georgia and then Ukraine in 2014 shook that confidence but didn’t break it because Russia’s actions were limited but the full-scale invasion this year Putin’s the energy blackmail suddenly made Russia as not only a unreliable partner but also downright dangerous to Europe’s collective sovereignty. Since price is secondary the decision to invest money in LNG in order to eliminate Russia as an energy supplier became a no brainer. In a stable world price is the most important. In an unstable world reliability is the most important and world has switched from the former to the latter. Another thing to take into account is that as LNG supplies expand and the market stabilizes the price will probably come down looking out a few years. Lastly LNG is just part of the energy mix. Nuclear and new drilling in EU waters will also be in the mix. $300 billion over several years seems to be a reasonable projection. Investment in energy is expensive no matter what you invest in. For Russia the dense grid of pipelines to Europe which took 50 years to build at great coast will soon become useless as the pipes will no longer have anywhere to go. That is an enormous loss for Russia. Europe’s pipelines on the other hand will still be used to transport oil and gas from the ports to the industrial centers.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
European industry and manufacturing will not be competitive without cheap Russian gas. Period. Full stop.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej
That is going to be a problem for sure but that depends on the industry. Germany’s chemical industry will be hurt but their machine-tool industry will not for example. It is still better than capitulation.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Is it just me or does this whole thing stink like a heroin junkie being cut off from their smack. When do the withdraw symptoms turn into violent angry reactions from the addict? Stealing to get a fix? Bribing to get a fix? Selling their body to get a fix? Will U.S. play rehab savior?
Seems like the EU needs a total rehab. It’s good that they are weaning themselves off but if they go back then they will get owned by the dealer for the rest of their lives.
Stay strong EU.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
The EU is rapidly evolving from a 1st world country to a 3rd world country. Europe evolved in the last 50 years with uninterrupted, cheap, reliable Russian natural gas. Now they choose to pay triple for Russian LNG.
“Will U.S. play rehab savior?”
Yes, its all going according to plan, Nuland (F the EU)
The US is already looking at restricting energy exports and I have no doubt in the future LNG exports will be restricted. Austrialia, one of the top 3 LNG exporters is looking at restricting exports as early as October 22.
Australia could impose restrictions on LNG exports starting in October 2022 | Enerdata

“Australia will decide in October 2022 whether to curb exports of LNG after the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission (ACCC) urged restrictions. Indeed, according to forecasts from the ACCC, the country could face a shortfall and soaring prices in 2023 because of declining output at offshore fields that supply the east coast, home to almost nine-tenths of the Australian population. Specifically, the east coast of the country is expected to produce 49.5 bcm (1,981 PJ) of gas in 2023 of which 32.5 bcm (1,299 PJ), or 66%, is expected to be exported overseas under long term contracts. In addition, LNG exporters are forecasted to liquefy a further 4.2 bcm (167 PJ) over what they require to meet their contractual commitments. If LNG exporters sell all of their excess gas to overseas markets, the region would face a supply shortfall of 1.4 bcm (56 PJ).

The competition regulator recommended the government to pull the trigger on the Australian Domestic Gas Supply Mechanism, which can be used to oblige LNG exporters to divert gas to the domestic market to avert shortfalls. Exports curbs would likely impact the Gladstone LNG export plant (10.5 bcm/year), owned by Santos (30%), Petronas (27,5%), TotalEnergies (27.5%) and Kogas (15%). In 2021, Australia was the world’s largest LNG exporter, with 105.6 bcm, surpassing Qatar (105.1 bcm) and the United States (92.3 bcm).”

Billy
Billy
3 years ago
I think it would be great if Ukraine attacked the pipelines.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Billy
So you are all in for an ecological disaster???
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
If that happened, there’d be no “ecological disaster.” Russia would just start flaring it off like they’re doing with what’s no longer going into Nordstream.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
You know we do the same thing!!!!
When I read that story the first time, it told me these writers have never visited such sites in the rest of the world!!!
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
If I were Putin, I’d shut off all the pipelines and flare off the gas as psychological warfare.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
That would be childish!
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
There’s also a technical reason to flare it off, but why not kill two birds with one stone?
OUdaveguy
OUdaveguy
3 years ago
“Buyer’s Cartel” is both classic “copium,” and another pathetic euphemism for central planning, anti-free market price controls.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  OUdaveguy
All the leverage is in the other direction. These people are on drugs.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
“Those sanctions have backfired miserably as predicted in advance in this corner”.
Check out Russia’s industrial production figures. That’s the real story about the sanctions. They can still sell some oil at a discount but their industrial plant is fading.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“Check out Russia’s industrial production figures. That’s the real story about the sanctions.”
How does Russian industrial production figures compare with European industrial production figures?
Im also having difficulty with your logic. You stated that the energy, industrial crisis in Europe was exaggerated, now you claim that it is temporary.
First you claim that there is no energy industrial crisis in Europe. Now its temporary.
Is there an energy industrial crisis in Europe in your mind?
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Do as I said and go check out the industrial figures first and then we can discuss.
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
You know full well those are “PROPAGANDA” numbers, the West MSM/INTEL agencies need a “OPTICAL VICTORY”!!!!
West is now having problems mass producing tanks for NATO!!!!
JRM
JRM
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Then noticed you didn’t answer Roadrunner12 question!!!
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  JRM
No I didn’t. Information is the basis for an exchange and he never has any.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
“No I didn’t. Information is the basis for an exchange and he never has any.”
Please enlighten me, I submit Mish’s post as information as a basis for exchange and I believe everything is that post accurately describes the situation in Europe.
EU Declares Energy Crisis ‘Emergency’, the US Will Not Be Immune – Mish Talk – Global Economic Trend Analysis
You declared previously that the EU energy crisis was exaggerated and now you claim its temporary. I believe that there is indeed a major reckoning coming to the EU, you think otherwise. Im curious as to why?
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
They produce almost as much steel as the US, with
And they have the industry to keep the war going, unlike the US which has outsourced theirs.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Which was exactly the point of the sanctions. They won’t stop attacking Ukraine, but at some point they’ll be reduced to standing on the border throwing rocks.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You should document this with actual production numbers and inventories.
They’ve been on the verge of running out of cruise missiles and artillery rounds since early March, but they just keep firing the stuff.

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