“Abortion Goes Back to the People” Says the Wall Street Journal. Does It?

Gallup polls on abortion. Link below.

Back to the People? Really?

A Wall Street Journal editorial proclaims Abortion Goes Back to the People.

Really? The above chart shows the idea is nonsense. 

The most recent data point suggests the Supreme Court case itself may have caused a jump in pro-choice. 

Alternatively, we see a jump due to a dying off off aging boomers as more liberal opinions of millennials and Zoomers take hold. 

 ‘Pro-Choice’ Identification Rises to Near Record High in U.S.

The Gallup poll shows ‘Pro-Choice’ Identification Rises to Near Record High in U.S.

A Gallup poll conducted mostly after the draft of a Supreme Court decision addressing abortion rights was leaked finds a marked shift in public attitudes over the past year. After a decade in which Americans’ identification as “pro-choice” varied narrowly between 45% and 50%, the percentage has jumped six points to 55% in the latest poll, compared with the prior measure a year ago.

Pro-choice sentiment is now the highest Gallup has measured since 1995 when it was 56% — the only other time it has been at the current level or higher — while the 39% identifying as “pro-life” is the lowest since 1996.

Reuters Poll Shows Same Thing

Please consider a Reuters Factbox: Broad U.S. support for abortion rights at odds with Supreme Court’s restrictions

About 71% of Americans – including majorities of Democrats and Republicans – say decisions about terminating a pregnancy should be left to a woman and her doctor, rather than regulated by the government. 

Unfortunately, Reuters did not link to that poll conducted after the decision. 

But trends were already in place according to an Ipsos May 6, 2022 poll What we know about the public’s views on abortion

Ipsos Poll on abortion, link above.

Overall, Americans have gotten more supportive of a woman getting a legal abortion for any reason. Yet, the topline numbers mask a deeper partisan divide that has developed around the issue. Over the past 45 years, Republicans and Democrats have grown farther apart on this issue. In the late 70s, similar shares of Democrats and Republicans were more or less in agreement about abortion. Now, there is a roughly 35-point difference between the two sides. 

Also see Americans prefer Democrats’ position on abortion to Republicans’ – Reuters/Ipsos poll

YouGov Poll

While on the subject of polls, a YouGov Poll Shows Majority of Americans disapprove of overturning Roe v. Wade

  • Fifty-nine percent of Americans disapprove of the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade and take away the federal protections of abortion rights, according to a new CBS News/YouGov reaction poll
  • Among women polled, 67% disapprove.
  • Opinion is starkly divided along party lines. 78% of Republicans approve of the decision, compared with 38% of independents and 17% of Democrats.

Back to the People? How?

In general, I am no fan of the New York Times, but this article has aspects that ring true: Supreme Court Throws Abortion to an Unlevel State Playing Field

In his concurring opinion to the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh struck a note of optimism that democracy and the will of the people would prevail, even on the agonizing issue of a woman’s right to end a pregnancy.

“The nine unelected Members of this Court do not possess the constitutional authority to override the democratic process,” he wrote, adding that the court’s decision merely “restores the people’s authority to address the issue of abortion through the processes of democratic self-government.”

States, in other words, hold the power.

In Ohio, Republicans hold an undeniable edge statewide, but it’s nothing like their 64-35 edge in the Statehouse or their 25-8 edge in the State Senate. Those advantages will likely yield a near-total abortion ban in the coming weeks. Because the gerrymandering of state legislative lines is so extreme, the only competition that Republican lawmakers fear is from even more conservative Republicans.

In Wisconsin, Democrats hold virtually every statewide office, including governor. Yet, waves of gerrymandering have left Republicans with close to a supermajority in the State Senate and Assembly. That means an abortion ban that was passed in 1849, when only white men could vote, is set to go back into force now that Roe v. Wade has been overturned.

Gerrymandering a Two-Way Street 

Gerrymandering is a two-way street, of course. Illinois, Texas, and Ohio are among the worst. 

Let’s discuss Ohio and How Republicans pass abortion bans most Americans don’t want.

On 10 April 2019, the Ohio legislature easily passed SB 23, a bill that banned abortion after a fetal heartbeat is detected, as early as six weeks into a pregnancy.

There wasn’t widespread support for the bill – polling showed public opinion was nearly evenly split over the bill (a poll after the bill was passed showed a majority opposed it), John Kasich, a previous Republican governor, had twice vetoed the bill, saying it was unconstitutional, and it had stalled in the legislature for years.

But Ohio’s governor, Mike DeWine, a Republican, nonetheless signed the bill into law the next day. 

Ohio offers a case study of how US politicians enact extreme abortion measures that don’t align with voters’ views but face little accountability at the polls.

That kind of gerrymandering will probably serve as an invisible, virtually impenetrable fortress that will allow lawmakers across the US to continue to push extreme abortion measures that are unsupported by the public.

As lawmakers have pushed these severe restrictions, they have consistently remained out of line with what most Ohioans believe. Polls have consistently shown that a majority of Ohio voters support some form of legalized abortion, while a minority believes it should be illegal.

In Illinois, extreme gerrymandering has led to worst in the nation public union corruption, high property taxes, business flight, and personal flight. 

Illinois is one of a few states losing population due to extreme liberal policies. 

Gerrymandering is not a one-party issue. 

Abortion Access 

Abortion access courtesy of the Wall Street Journal.

Abortion access across the U.S. now depends on state laws after Supreme Court overturned 1973 decision that established constitutional right to an abortion.

Here is a non-paywalled link to the WSJ article Where Abortion Is Legal and Where It Loses Protections Without Roe v. Wade

Anyone living in Southern Texas, Mississippi, or Arkansas has a hell of a long drive for clinic access.

White Life Victory 

President Trump… I want to thank you for the historic victory for white life in the Supreme Court yesterday

What an amazing statement to kick off a Trump “Save America” rally.

Don’t Be a Slut

Anne bragged about picking up followers after that Tweet. 

More seriously, think clearly about viewing a 10-second fertilized egg as a person.

Hypocrisy Abounds 

Not only that, most are hypocrites supporting war every chance they get.  

Look no further than our damn drone policy, invasion of Iraq, calls to Bomb Bomb Iran (to the tune of Barbara Ann).

Yet, these hypocrites have a religious concern for dividing cells the split second they start dividing. 

Make no mistake, religious indoctrination is much in play. 

Clarence Thomas’s Abortion Opinion Revisits Same-Sex Marriage, Contraception

The WSJ notes Clarence Thomas’s Abortion Opinion Revisits Same-Sex Marriage, Contraception.

That is also a WSJ paywall-free link.

I find the opinions of Thomas truly disturbing, especially in light of “Back to the People” nonsense.

Be Careful How You Track Your Periods

Finally, please consider Period-Tracker Apps Aim for Anonymity Following Roe v. Wade Decision

Developers of period trackers and fertility apps are working on ways to anonymize user data in response to the Supreme Court’s ruling that struck down the constitutional right to an abortion.

Millions of women use services such as Flo, Clue and Apple’s Health app to help them become pregnant, avoid pregnancy or know when their next period is due. The court’s decision brought more attention to the services, which hold sensitive data that could be used against people in states where abortion may be criminalized.

Creators of some of those apps are now seeking ways to ensure that they don’t have specific information to share about their users in the first place.

Even before Roe was overturned, menstrual data has been used in government investigations, said Leah Fowler, research director at University of Houston’s Health Law and Policy Institute. In a 2019 hearing, Missouri’s state health department admitted to keeping a spreadsheet of Planned Parenthood abortion patients, which included the dates of their last menstrual period.

If you live in Texas, be very wary that state legislators may subpoena period tracking data. 

Apple says data from its Health app can’t be shared or sold because it is encrypted end-to-end. But that will not stop Apple from being sued.

Expect extreme Right jackasses will attempt just that. 

They will also look into pills that induce abortion and demand to see what doctors are prescribing them. 

Bottom Line

  • Many Blue states are way to the Left of public opinion
  • Many if not most Red states are to the extreme Right of public opinion. 
  • A bunch of aging boomer dinosaurs on the Supreme Court and in State Assemblies have hijacked policy to opposite extremes, against clear public opinion.

Abortion did not go back to the people. 

Worse yet, numerous issues are about to be hijacked by the radical Right.

With this post, I fully expect many attacks by the radical Right, with many labeling me radical Left, even though I have criticized Biden and his inept economic policies ever since he has been elected. 

A genuine moderate presidential candidate would likely win 2024 in a landslide. But the extreme Left and extreme Right have hijacked their parties. So, don’t expect a moderate to emerge, anywhere.

Libertarians like me who genuinely believe in small government, no wars, reduced government spending, reduced military spending, and individual free choice, better hide under a rock. We will be attacked by the Left and Right.

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desertsteve
desertsteve
1 year ago
Mish,
I don’t really follow your logic on “back to the people”. It seems you are saying that because certain places hold certain majorities and some of those won’t allow abortion that the people don’t have a say. You could play that out with many issues. Of course they do, its called elections and if in those places people want something different than an abortion ban they will vote for it. You are correct gerrymandering is done by both sides constantly. Yes it will take time, yes it will be messy, welcome to democracy forever and always better than the alternative.
In my humble opinion this wasn’t about abortion but about our constitution. It was a win for the constitution and thus a win for the people. The farther we stray from that document the more we look like other governments and countries around the world that have failed over hundreds of years. It’s not perfect, but we are all working on it.
For the record, I believe in limited government, for a woman’s right to choose with time limitations and for everyone’s right to choose on whether they get vaccinated or not. How often does our government or any other take away power from itself like SCOTUS just did? Almost never, that to me is an endorsement for our constitution and for our system. Humans given power over other humans for thousands of years have eventually sought to abuse that power and enslave others. Maybe, as messy as it is, we are on to something here in America.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
But the extreme Left and extreme Right have hijacked their parties. So, don’t expect a moderate to emerge, anywhere.

I expect that the Repubs will gain 30-40 in the House (it ought to be more, but both parties have relentlessly eliminated competition in House seats, self-preservation being their only real area of agreement) and 2 to 4 in the Senate. Now, the Dems should have taken a deep breath after both ’16 and ’20 and realized that they’re in trouble, but that’s not how politics works. The Dems will be just as obnoxious as ever, and will nominate Kamalatoe in ’24.

The last time the Dems failed to nominate a sitting VP for the top of the ticket after their president left was in 1952 when they picked Adlai Stevenson over Charles Barkley, Truman’s VP. No way can they pick someone else. The only way to head off the cries of ray-cist is if one of their billionaires promises to give Kamalatoe a zillion-dollar no-show job at some newly-created Ray-cial Justice Center at the Kennedy School of Government. Hey, ya never know.

But the base case is a replay of 1972 (or 1964, to be bipartisan about it), followed by a crushing defeat at the hands of DeSantis/Sears. The congressional (including Senate) map will be brutal in ’24. The result will be anywhere from 10 to 30 years out of power. If the Dem brain trust hadn’t been sucked out of the skull by one of their political abortion doctors, there’d be some adults in the room to ask the faithful just how they’ll like it when the Supremes go 8-1 winger. If that were to happen, those adults would be cancelled immediately.
All these morons with their romantic fixation on Big Daddy Trump are going to miss him, and for a reason they aren’t thinking about now but will certainly think about in five years. Trump is, was, and always will be a chaotic ADD-afflicted rodeo clown with no aptitude whatsoever for the details of government, and no tolerance for anyone who tells him that this or that idea ain’t the way to go. DeSantis couldn’t be more different in that regard. He’s ideological and even his roughest critics agree that he’s as disciplined as they come.
Liberal commenters here, think you have things to cry about now? In the words of Ronnie the Raygun, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
One other thing: Yes, the Repubs are very dysfunctional, but not in any particularly novel ways. Trump was a one-off, and other than his Supreme Court appointments — something he never cared about — has had relatively little policy or ideology impact because he has never cared about anything but feeding his inexhaustible hunger for stupid, immaterial fights. The Dems are in a much deeper ditch, much further from the 50-yard line.
The only way to cure this kind of horsepuckey is via electoral defeat. Dems, that light at the end of the tunnel? You are “progressives,” and there’s an Iron Law: “You can always tell a ‘progressive,’ but you can never, ever tell a ‘progressive’ a single thing. They know it all, and they’ll never let you forget it.” So, kids, why bother to tell you that the light is on the front of a bullet train?
radar
radar
1 year ago
Tenth Amendment to the Constitution –

The powers not delegated to the
United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States,
are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

JG1170
JG1170
1 year ago
Reply to  radar
100%
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  radar
Depressing. The people get only leftovers from the States.
radar
radar
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Maybe so, but at least they’re free to move to any state they want to.
threeblindmice
threeblindmice
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
That alternative is power to the federal government. Closer to the people is better, as a principle. Even better is “or to the people”. I’m pleased that the pro-choice folks are using a libertarian argument. Perhaps we can persuade them to use those arguments in all their thinking about government? One can dream.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
A tiny bit over 400 years ago a small group of Europeans first arrived in America.
Many of them came to America to escape insufferable religious intolerance by government.
Apparently America is now moving religion into politics.
As if the malfeasance of economic disasters were not enough.
I continue to be increasingly more afraid.
Just my two pence.
radar
radar
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Congress has always prayed before each session so religion is nothing new to politics.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  radar
Politicians always pray before each election so I guess you’re right.
threeblindmice
threeblindmice
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Cute Pence pun! I appreciate that.
SCOTUS made no mention of religion in its decision. You can assume what you like, but there is no evidence linking the two. And while I’m not a fan of religion, I note that the concept on which this country is based, protection from government infringment especially of natural law, has a religious underpinning. It’s what made slavery go away after millenia, as one example.
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
1 year ago
Giving Trump credit for this is predictable and laughable. First off, the win for the pro-life movement comes down to Mitch McConnell not allowing Merick Garland to go through the required Senate confirmation. Number two reason this had nothing to do with Trump, is the states began pushing legislation that reinforced the states were to have authority over such decisions within the boundaries of their state. Trump was too busy playing golf and on Twitter unless you count that march he attended.
Raj Kumar
Raj Kumar
1 year ago
Does anyone have a map on ‘Indian Land’ within the 50 States of the US? I had read someone who stated that medical facilities could be setup on those lands since they are not subject to US Supreme Court. Is that correct?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Raj Kumar
Yes.
JG1170
JG1170
1 year ago
Reply to  Raj Kumar
I would hope that Native Americans would be less vile and opportunistic than that.
SleemoG
SleemoG
1 year ago
Reply to  JG1170
You should try to take their land away … again.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
One of those tech zillionaire divorcees just gave Planned Parenthood $100MM. That ought to pay for a lot of trips to abortion centers in NY, CA, and so on.
Naphtali
Naphtali
1 year ago
It is most interesting to see that the US government has endeavored to “nation build” on their own continent for some time with limited success.
Their wins parallel those achieved in their recent middle east adventures in that they coalesce about some regions but fail in others where cultural obstacles are manifest. Such obstacles were strongly present when the nation first formed and were instrumental in shaping the constitution by which union was achieved. That constitution was structured to permit regional and cultural differences that the former colonies
exhibited. In the past few decades, the central government has pressed to “nation build” itself through homogenization; principally by law and the constructive interpretation of the constitution which is supposed to binds us. I believe that process is coming to it’s end. Perhaps we really should embrace the diversity which we constantly tout as our greatest strength.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Maryland is the most gerrymandered state. Not even close.
And democrats are now the war party. Not republicans. Although many republicans align with democrats.
There is so much propaganda about this. First of all this ruling is only about abortion. Not gay rights or contraception. 2nd, there are about a million abortions per year in the US. The left screams about incest, rape, people not being able to afford a baby, etc…, but based on the overall numbers, these represent a small pct of pregnancies. Obviously many use abortion as a method of birth control. The real issue is people who simply don’t want the inconvenience of raising a child or lose their figure might have to travel to get rid of the pregnancy.
And it will be decided by voters in the states. Most of the extreme laws were in place when Roe v Wade was passed and since it’s now overturned, they automatically went back into effect. Give things a year or so and new laws will be enacted that are far less extreme.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
The first attempt got hijacked somehow, so trying again with my answer to the religious types.
—–
In days of old, when knights were bold, no one cared who they screwed, as long as they had the right attitude. But there was a problem.
Them Ottoman Turks of the Empire were Muslims. The sultan liked them harems, and consequently needed guards. But how to keep the guards from doing a Bill & Monica?
Castrate ’em. However, that dang Koran strictly forbade the practice. It did not, however, forbid the purchase of slaves castrated by infidels. Enter the first libertarians, in the form of Christian bishops.
The Ottomans were already buying nutless slaves from the chieftains of Africa, but the enterprising bishops of Europe convinced them of the desirability of white castrati. In today’s money, a $60 million a year profit stream, notwithstanding that only 10% survived the operation.
Everyone was happy, or at least everyone whose happiness mattered.
The Bible was silent. The Koran was easy to get around. The priests were rich, plus there was another tradition, best encapsulated by another charming rhyme: “There’s no greater joy/Than a hot buttered boy.” Matches the Ottoman sentiment: “Women for breeding, boys for pleasure, melons for ecstacy.”
All part of the passing parade. Still, I for one look somewhat askance as Rule By Priest. Or minister. Or imam. Or shaman. Call me names
Billy
Billy
1 year ago
I find the terms “radical” or “extremists” to be used during manipulation. I’ve never seen a group or individuals self-identify by using those terms.
I agree that Abortions did not go back to the people. They went back to the states.
I think the topic of abortion is far too emotionally charged for us to come to a conclusion we mostly agree on.
Here is my suggestion: Just like California treats black rifles, how about coming up with a flow chart for every situation of an abortion?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Billy
The real question: Spread the fetus on toast, or throw it in the blender and make a smoothie?
All abortion debates are stupid IMO, so why not wallow in it?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Are you thinking Dan Aykroyd’s Bass-O-Matic? Or perhaps Terry Jones’ baby frogs at the Whizzo Chocolate
Company. Let’s keep it clean.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
I remain basically pro-choice until viability. Which is hard to conclusively define, so call it 15 weeks
No one mentions that abortion is very different than it was in 1973 when the Supreme Court took a stab at becoming the national legislature. (Mish, a libertarian worthy of the label doesn’t want the courts doing that, but who cares about them slippery details?)
Putting aside the outliers (rape, incest, in-vitro selective reduction, severe fetal abnormality) for the moment, abortion has become an I Q test in an age of cheap, ubiquitous, effective contraceptives. Example: The pill is 99% effective when taken as directed, says Planned Parenthood.
Thus, the overwhelming majority of abortions are the result of the woman’s laziness, stupidity, or both. And this is where I join PP’s founder, Margaret Sanger, on the eugenics train
Intelligence is 70% heritable. My basic view is that, today, abortion cleanses the gene pool. I think it should be free of charge as long as the moron-ette gets her tubes tied on the same visit.
There are enough stupid Americans. Why make more?
One other thing. Not only are contraceptives far more available and effective, but so are pregnancy tests. Any woman who doesn’t know she’s pregnant is an idiot in denial, which goes back to eugenics. I don’t want her inflicting her moronic offspring on society.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
“I think it should be free of charge as long as the moron-ette gets her tubes tied on the same visit.”
Does the Father get his D..k cut off at the same time 🙂
hmk
hmk
1 year ago
One thing I am sure of is that if the dysfunctional morons in Washington would not have to run for relection, ( only 1 but longer term limit) they would vote on making abortion legal up until 16 weeks or whatever. But because they are more concerned about pissing off their donors and for the most part ignorant consstituents they will vote for whatever keeps them on the gravy train. We have the best government money can buy.
mrusa
mrusa
1 year ago
It’s interesting how far we’ve come in 50 years. Defining abortion as “women’s reproductive health” for example.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  mrusa
Reproductive Rights — is that double plus good or what?
SleemoG
SleemoG
1 year ago
Reply to  mrusa
You’re right. It should be defined as Nunya Fukkin Bizness.
threeblindmice
threeblindmice
1 year ago
I find this post somewhat incoherent. The “back to the people” argument is negated nowhere here unless you’re claiming the state representatives don’t represent their voters. You could make that argument, but if enough voters feel strongly enough, they will replace their representatives. (I expect that to happen in the case of prohibition from conception states.) Just because some right is not recognized by the constitution does not mean the activity is prohibited. The average citizen is comfortable with early abortion and uncomfortable with late abortion. The states will differ with the vast majority permitting abortion far later than, say, most European countries, including countries like The Netherlands, Switzerland, Sweden. If so, together with 95% of abortions taking place in the first trimester, very little will change with this ruling. The US will remain very permissive, on average, on abortion.
Mike 2112
Mike 2112
1 year ago
Mish, you left Illinois due to their terrible govt policies and went to a state you feel is better governed.
But what would you do if SCOTUS codified Illinois’ terrible policies across the entire country? There would be no state that you could move to that better reflects your views.
It’s the same with abortion.
States like NY and CA share company with China and North Korea as the only places on earth that a woman can electively get an abortion up to birth. Even the uber-liberal Europeans do not allow this. Partial-Birth abortion is brutal. Watch or read up the procedure: it’s pretty much infanticide and the vast majority of Americans are opposed to it. Yet you dont mention this side of the debate. Why?
I agree “dont be a slut” is a terrible way to approach this subject, but how about twerking to “Shakin our Asses so we Can Kill Our Babies” like the women in this video? Do you not see any irrationality and even malice on the pro-choice side?
billybobjr
billybobjr
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike 2112
Mike, excellent synopsis of Mish stance . He also questioned his doctor about prostate cancer and he was right ultimately but
had little tolerance of people who questioned vaccine. This piece is typical so one sided. If you can save a baby at 26-40 weeks
you can take ones life at 26 -40 weeks . There are many instances were they have kept mothers alive so the baby could get to
a point they could save it even though it was not full term the mother being basically brain dead . Most people do not support abortion after 20 weeks. It also begs to
compare this to the drug laws many people drive to states from afar to stock up on legal marihuana in that state and drive back. Also
heroin , cocain and fentanyl are illegal but anyone who wants some can get it . My guess is most states will adopt something in the
16-20 week area unless there is a medical need or concern .
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
1 year ago
This decision was clearly about Federal vs States power. 99% of the people missed that message. 99.9% ignore that the late justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg was in favor or overturning Roe v Wade because of the question of Federal vs State power. The Supreme Court is its own quality assurance and needed to ensure future cases will not be improperly decided based on faulty precedence. Conservative justices paid respects to a late liberal justice.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
RBG was also very aware the origins of Planned Parenthood were in racist eugenics.
Pontius
Pontius
1 year ago
Roe stood for the principle that 5 men/women in black robes can usurp the authority to amend the Constitution from the Congress/state legislatures. RIP. On the issue itself, Europe generally permits abortion during first trimester, places significant restrictions thereafter. Congress could (but does not currently have the support) to do the same. Those “passionate” on Pro Choice side are boomers who recall lack of availability/stigma associated with birth control. That world no longer exists. Yes younger generation pro choice but lack passion of elders.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
This summarizes the situation accurately.
Nanook
Nanook
1 year ago
Fiddling while Rome burns.
All this abortion hoopla. You are all just indulging yourselves gettin all worked up over an insolvable issue (agree with Mish just set at 16wks and move on) while our real problems get ignored and just grow bigger. No wonder the world just sees us as a bunch of bickering kindergarteners. Kindergarteners with nukes. Lovely.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Nanook
The average police department is just high school with guns. LOL
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Colorado allows abortion up until the moment of birth. Some states want to eliminate it altogether. Everyone else wants abortion limited to a reasonable level and finding that level has to be found by vote and not decree. I don’t think all Coloradoans are blood-thirsty baby killers but the state’s stance on abortions I find revolting. That is not what I would want for the whole country.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Abortions terminated 11.9% of Non-Hispanic White pregnancies, 17.1% of Hispanic pregnancies, and 35.5% of Non-Hispanic Black pregnancies. The ratio of live births to a single abortion for each group was: 5.8 for Non-Hispanic White; 3.9 for Hispanics; and 1.4 for Non-Hispanic Black. There is a clear racial bias towards aborting Non-Hispanic Black foetuses yet the states that are supposedly the most racists are the states where resistance against abortions is the most strong. If I were into conspiracy theories I would say that widespread abortion is a plan to limit the number of Blacks in the population and since abortions without limit is the hallmark of the Democrat Party then I would have to conclude that if I wanted to limit the number Blacks in the population I should vote Democrat. On the other hand if I wanted to remove this roadblock to Blacks then I should vote Republican.
Mike 2112
Mike 2112
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
RBG herself said that this what she thought of when Roe was first decided. She said she thought the ruling was motivated by population control motives, particularly controlling populations “that we dont want too many of.”
“Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there
was concern about population growth and particularly growth in
populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”
-Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 2009
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike 2112
Ginsburg was right. There is more than a whiff of eugenics. in the policy and it is not the only one.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Abortion clearly has a disparate impact on Latino and Black populations. Abortion qualifies as more Democrat racism–the KKK is now ‘operating’ out of Planned Parenthood clinics.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The Repubs say sink or swim, and if you don’t sink maybe you will get rich enough to throw us some coin. But we really don’t care if you’re white, black, red, yellow, or brown because all we care about is green
The Dems are so much better. They say we know you are inferior. You are barely educable, so we’ll phony up the transcripts. You are too stupid to get identification, so we’ll find ways for you to vote four times as long as it’s for us. Oh, and here’s a crumb. You’re welcome.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Kagan, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett are not boomers but early GenX so four of the nine justices are not aging boomers.
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Yep polling places that have been hijacked by Marxist/Socialist advocates are “TRUST WORTHY”!!!
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
Also polling people living in cites/towns controlled by Democats/Socialist/Marxist..
Talk about an ECHO CHAMBER!!!!
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
Evidence? You have none. Nothing
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
They have went the same way the US MSM has gone!!!!
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
1 year ago
Are the comment section’s “Like” counts working? It’s rather unusual to see so few Likes.
EDIT: Never mind. Needs page refresh and/or some proper incantation.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
16 weeks is too early. The earliest fetus I’ve heard of surviving even with heavy medical (science not religious) intervention is 20 weeks. Guessing 20 weeks works in the vast majority of cases.
AlamoHulk
AlamoHulk
1 year ago
Nobody “hijacked policy”.
This is really, really simple: years ago a bunch of moronic activists on the Supreme Court ruled that the constitution granted a right to abortion. They were wrong. It doesn’t, and that fact is obvious to any intellectually honest literate person.
That said, reasonable people can disagree about whether the upheaval from correcting the absurd 50-year-old Supreme Court error is worth it. But…non-activist Supreme Court justices aren’t supposed to care about how popular their rulings will be, are they?
BTW, libertarian ideas are great in theory, but unworkable in today’s world. The steady decay of the traditional family structure has created a vacuum that has to be filled. The state will continue to fill it, just as predictably as my house will warm up if I turn off the AC. I don’t like it, but there is simply no political solution. The only thing today’s voter can realistically do is influence things at the margin.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
Reply to  AlamoHulk
They said it was part of the 14th amendment clause that grants something akin to privacy which is now also burnt toast. I predict this won’t end up just being about abortion (a private health care decision). In several states they are going to pass laws to limit a lot more things. Government overreach never ends with one issue.
Pontius
Pontius
1 year ago
“No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” [14th Amendment – Hard to detect any such right in the text, actually can be read to protect unborn – due process once deemed a person at some point of gestation]
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
“In several states they are going to pass laws to limit a lot more things.”
One of the things they are not going to limit is Government.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
Reply to  AlamoHulk
“The steady decay of the traditional family structure has created a vacuum that has to be filled.”
Pray tell why must it be filled ? The ruling is only going to ensure that more unwanted children get born into unwanted circumstances and cause a FURTHER decay.
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
They are only unwanted if the mother has no love in her heart. Perhaps if the mother had love in her heart for the man she chose to procreate with all would be fine.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
I’m sure the moral decay will be prevented in cases of rape and incest.
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
rape and incest are the exception, not the rule.
LM2022
LM2022
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
OK and if a woman with “no love in her heart” gets pregnant what’s the solution? An unwanted, abused child? Most Christians I know are small minded selfish people and aren’t likely to adopt all these unwanted children on the way. They just want to tell people how to live their lives. These kids will be wards of the state.
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2022
Why would she want to abuse her child?
LM2022
LM2022
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
You said this hypothetical woman had “no love in her heart”. Do you think a hypothetical woman with no love in her heart is more likely to abuse or not abuse an unwanted child, to neglect or not neglect a child?
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2022
The problem was never the child.
LM2022
LM2022
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
Too bad the child is the one that pays the price – this will lead to millions more unwanted and abused kids. Pro-lifers don’t seem to care about them. Now who’s the heartless one?
Matt3
Matt3
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2022
How about adoption? A lot of couples would step up to adopt infants. It is difficult in the US to adopt. Isn’t this a better solution?
My sister was adopted. I have 2 adopted children. Their lives are important and fulfilling. I’m grateful their mothers choose life.
Let’s make adoption more accessible in the US and have it as a promoted alternative.
The Pro-choice crowd doesn’t seem to want this alternative discussed. Why?
LM2022
LM2022
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt3
Nothing wrong with adoption in principle. It’s not a solution though. There are right now half a million children languishing in the foster care system in the US – children that are available to adopt but can’t find homes. Expect that number to rise. I doubt the anti-choice crowd will be taking up the slack.
Greenmountain
Greenmountain
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
So it rests on the woman! What about changing the thinking of men so no sexual encounter takes place without first considering the consequences. I think of the many woman in abusive relationships where they would like to act responsibily but may not be able to and may not have the means to leave. Yes we will have many more unwanted children and yes we will pay the consequences of that. Too baf children were not as important as fetus’.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
It might be the result of being raped. Perhaps there’s a risk to the mother if she goes full term?
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Christoball
Love? But that was then. And this is now.
Blake
Blake
1 year ago
I’m still waiting for some pundit to approach the abortion debate with the perspective necessary for a deeper understanding.
Haven’t seen it yet.
Instead, we get emotion, opinion, and partisan positioning. (Though, it’s difficult to criticize either side for the emotion it feels.)
It seems to me that where a society, or an individual, comes down on this issue is never a direct decision. Instead, it’s a downstream consequence of the answer to other, more fundamental, questions.
For example, here’s a question a century-and-a-half in the making: will America continue to move toward becoming a maternal-centric society? (a move that began in the late nineteenth century) Or will our country return to its earlier, more paternalistic, roots? This question affects many issues, of which the acceptability of intra-society killing (example: abortion) versus inter-society killing (example: war) is only one.
One of the ancient human ironies is that maternal cultures, despite all their compassion, have typically condoned the killing of their own youths, right up until the rites of passage into adulthood, while paternalistic tribes which celebrated the killing of other tribes’ members did not do the same to their own youths.
If you can’t wrap your head around this, read some Joseph Campbell or Marija Gimbutas.
This maternal versus paternal tension is so deeply embedded in the human condition that it’s inescapable. It has come down to us as America’s great political divide of liberal versus conservative, represented by the two national political parties.
Has any pundit examined this? Taken further, have any of them assessed how resource abundance (versus scarcity) affects a culture’s tendency to tip toward the maternal (versus paternal)?
No one has been looking into such questions. Maybe someone should.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Blake
LOL. You must not have been in America recently. They can’t even agree on when something becomes a human.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  Blake
Very interesting perspective! Thanks for writing it up.
In the case of abortion, I do wonder if our feelings on the subject are dominated by our own experience. Consider the emotions of someone who got or recommended an abortion and what resulted from it: Relief or regret. Ditto someone who went the other way.
Also, consider someone who has had experience with full-term pregnancy and the result. I’d guess they’d be rather less eager than others to condone, say, late term abortion.
But, to your observation: A woman’s bread is, perhaps, buttered on the side of other women getting abortions.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Blake
Question: Do matriarchal societies invent anything, or are they just big lesbian conversation pits? Asking for a friend.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
I’m marking this as the beginning of the end of America as an idea. Put me down for saying sayonara to the union and seceding California from it. I’m sure 2/3of state legislatures would have no issue with this. Good riddance.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
The critical thing being missed is they overturned the basis of many cases were made — namely the right to privacy. Anyone who thinks 5 of these justices will stop here is mistaken.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
1 year ago
Well, it does seem extremely likely that SCOTUS will have a different tone for a while. Nothing new there.
Are you thinking they changed anything about the right to privacy outside of the abortion issue?
LM2022
LM2022
1 year ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
Just take a peek at Clarence Thomas’s opinion to see what’s coming down the pike.
Esclaro
Esclaro
1 year ago
Gerrymandering is almost completely a Republican phenomenon. Why? Because they hate democracy and fear the will of the people. Several Republican states have gotten rid of referendums completely because they hate the results when the people decide. Republicans are authoritarian fascists who need to be defeated just as their heroes, the Nazis, were defeated.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
1 year ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Well that was easy to debunk;
And in Washington state the courts keep throwing out initiative after initiative unless they advance the Democrat’s cause of total subordination to the glory of the State.
Esclaro
Esclaro
1 year ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
You debunked nothing you Republican apologist. Total subordination to the glory of the state? That’s the Republican fascist ideal. They are the anti freedom party forcing religion and their moral code down everyone’s throats. Let’s just finish this charade of a country once and for all!
alin_s
alin_s
1 year ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Gerrymandering or importing democrat voters from south of the border? Hard choice I suppose.
Business Man
Business Man
1 year ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Yeah, I guess you’ve never been to Illinois, perhaps the most gerrymandered state in the union.
Illinois May Be The Worst Democratic Gerrymander In The Country | FiveThirtyEight
Whenever I listen to Democrats moan about Nazi’s and whatever else, I only listen/read because it is usually projection. They love to accuse others of what they themselves are always doing.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Esclaro
He says, ignoring the fraud and cheating throughout the “blue” states.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Democrats hate democracy. The court ruling puts the issue to legislatures to decide. Democrats should be happy with the ruling.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Wall street is pro abortions. Pregnant women cost money. When the baby is born both father and mother get paid vacation. Some become
stay home moms. Wall street charts are worse than Fed charts.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Strange. I’ve always noticed that Wall Street appears to be much in favor of more and more consumers. And fund investors.
LM2022
LM2022
1 year ago
Republicans hate abortion, but they’re also against the things that would reduce abortions – namely education and birth control. There’s a whole list of privacy rights that are about to be swept away by this extremist court, Clarence Thomas has already tipped his hand to the real agenda.
alin_s
alin_s
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2022
Who doesn’t know how babies are made? The internets been around at least for a generation now.
vboring
vboring
1 year ago
The eff are republicans thinking?
Hard core conservatives already avoid abortions. These laws disproportionately impact people who will grow up to vote blue.
Idiots.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
1 year ago
Reply to  vboring
I see your point, but if you really believe that life begins at conception then the pro-life position is the only moral one. If you believe that life begins at first breath then you get a different set of morality. Those two starting points are mutually incompatible, and so things get loud.
Personally I go with 20 weeks as the cutoff as by then the brain structure is complete. Washington state says 24 weeks.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
Next they will be telling us life begins in the scrotum.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Hey, that’s MY kink. Buzz off! LOL
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
I believe that life really begins about 23-25 — years of age.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
One Rhino, one black, X3 Trump’s rookie judges, 1/3 of Ruth Ginsburg age, said : WE DONT HAVE THE POWER to decide about abortion. It’s not
in the constitution. For the DEM it’s all about power. They will manipulate wealthy suburbia women to stay in power. Dr Oz, higher SPY/ lower CPI, Raw vs Weeds might help change the political odds.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
The Supreme Court is making Congress do its job–develop and pass legislation to allow, or not allow abortions. Instead, Congress is wasting its time with hearings about Jan 6th. Now, why is that?
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
To Nixon Trump.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Because these Congresses of late are about a few top Democrats’ passions to destroy an individual and a movement that almost overturned the Washington apple cart.
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
Ginsburg believed Roe vs wade was wrongly decided, in an interview on NBC who edited out of the interview when she was alive!!!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
What is better; a bunch of disgruntled people at the state level, or a bunch of disgruntled people at the Federal level? Is a one-size-fits-all approach better than approaches that work for each ‘community’? If California wants taxpayer-funded abortions why must the same rule be applied to Arkansas?
Getting back to State’s rights is the big positive of the Supreme Ct decision. If you don’t like the state policy on abortion where you live, you can move to a state with a different policy. Don’t like the gerrymander in your state, vote with your feet, or run for office.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
But why stop at the state level? Why not let counties decide? Of cities? Or better yet, let the individual choose what is best for them. Virtually all major cities vote blue, why do rural cletus’ get to decide what is best for people in the cities where all the money is made and most of the abortions happen?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
The Constitution is precise in this regard–10 Amendment. “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
No mention of counties, towns, villages, block parties…
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
“But why stop at the state level? Why not let counties decide? Of cities? Or better yet, let the individual choose what is best for”
Bingo – right to the heart of the matter
alin_s
alin_s
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
So the individual chooses what taxes to pay, which rules are applicable, what guns to own, speed limit, etc
I’m cool with that, let’s do it
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
Its clear you never looked at the Red wave that hit in 2020. From the political maps after the elections trump won more voting districts than Biden did!!!
Mike 2112
Mike 2112
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
This is childish.
But if you need an answer then look to the Constitution which grants powers to the states and not the counties.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
If u hate the constitution move to Kalinka. Kalinka is located between Poland and Lita. Kalinka Malinka is under blockade like W. Berlin in the 1950’s under Stalin.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
When people don’t like the constitution, they issue amendments. Those that suggest people move have fascist tendencies. Thanks for opening up to the group here so we know who you are.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
MPO steam is coming from your head : 3 hours ago u said : for me the best thing is to leave the US for few years. Kalinka Malinka is not about u. Kalink Malika is under blockade like West Berlin in the 1950’s, under Uncle Joe. It’s a bridgehead to NATO. It can Elmo Bavaria where the G -7 are. Putin was inspired by PM Primakov, his KGB boss, who paid the price for USSR collapse.
alin_s
alin_s
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
When people don’t like the constitution, they’re treasonous anti Americans. Fascists were on full display over the last two years pushing experimental covid vaccines and masking children in preschool because they might get the sniffles.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
After aborting Nixon the D aborted babies. There are two separate people : one is the pregnant mother, the
other is the unborn baby. Abortions are not part of the constitution.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Speaking of irony and hypocrisy, I think it’s interesting that when Democrats and their media talk about children, they want them killed. The wingers want baby formula, but the women of the media are largely young and childless and disdain women who give birth.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
You say you’re an independent yet all your comments are anti-dem and pro-repub. just declare yourself a repub already, no need to hide in the closet, this is a safe space.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
It’s like a transsexual coming out, wonder what pronoun they’ll choose?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
On Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays it’s “he, him, king “
On Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays it’s “your royal hotness.”
On Sundays, it’s “hey you!”
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Solved this years ago.
Just refer to one of “them” as “it.”
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
Stay tuned. That said , it’s the Dems that have gone nuts, this issue nothwithstanding..
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
There is a great article here about the whole abortion issue and the unexpected ramifications.
Will in-vitro fertilization be banned now because not all the eggs are used? Will doctors go to jail for fertilizing eggs with no plans to use them all? Will pregnant women be “monitored” constantly and if they have a miscarriage arrested? What about crossing state lines for an abortion?
It’s a whole can of worms and it’s only the beginning.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
It will all be easily sorted out by a rousing chant of “2 legs bad, 4legs good!”
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
Since the womb is a very hostile place, should placing a fertilized egg into a womb be child endangerment?
alin_s
alin_s
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish

the womb is only hostile if the baby is going to get its head crushed and then get sucked out through a vacuum limb by limb. In other words, murdered in the womb.

Kick'n
Kick’n
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Does a fertilized egg get a SS#? And if so, is it before or after being placed into the womb? I believe in Alito’s opinion he mentioned “potential life”? Seems he declined to draw a line as to when actual life begins, which has been the sticking point of the entire debate…
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
What’s wrong with worms, or are you one of those night crawler phobes? Racist! Soon enough, there will be segregation.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
The Dems think this will goose turnout in the swing states. Ya never know, but I might suggest that the pro-life wingers will see the latest round of propaganda and vote too.
The Dems are desperate and so are their media friends. Anything to get voters distracted from those “Vote Republican” billboards everywhere, a/k/a gas price signs.
Not to mention food prices. This group doesn’t have to worry about any of that, but I did notice that last Thanksgiving’s turkey was +40%. Anyone priced milk and eggs lately?
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Who made this overturn and decision ? Was it the Dems ?
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
1 year ago
For predictive purposes, monitor the effects on state capital cities (presumably populated by Democrats) in Republican states. Austin would be the most notable, as both a college town and a governmental center. Where’s Eddie, our eyes on the ground there?
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
When was the last time Texas voted the same way as Austin?
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Well, yeah, that’s the point. Austin won’t change, given schools and government. Question is whether Austin continues attracting young people and California outfits. I’m guessing yes because abortion laws, in practice, just ain’t all that big a deal.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
Somewhat tangentially but hopefully amusingly, I note that Elon Musk, once the progressive hero and now the goat, moved Tesla HQ to Texas
My idea for Twitter is first to force them to cut the ask to $20. Once they agree, he’ll still have the entitled arrogant playtime communist San Francisco employee problem.
Easy solution. Huntsville, Alabama is brimming with telecom engineers. Musk should announce that he’s moving the company there, and reiterate that everyone who moved will be expected to be in the office by 8 a.m.
That’ll clear things out. The screams will rival those of the English sailor in “Shogun”, boiled like a lobster for three days while the warlord meditated on the sounds. LOL
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Ha, ha. Well, Huntsville was sure off my radar screen. Thanks for the mention. Double funny mention, too, given that it’s apparently SLS, not SpaceX land.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish
Huntsville is where they stashed Werner von Braun. Think of Houston as Windows and Huntsville as Intel, man on the moon-wise
Sunriver
Sunriver
1 year ago
While the world looked the other way, enough nukes to end all life, in less time than it takes to perform one abortion, was created.
The miracles of modern science have indeed stuck their middle finger up at God’s miracle of life. Or is it that blue green alge is the creator of life and life was indeed never a miracle, but mathematically pre ordained? Take your pick. ………….Abortions will continue as well as hypersonic death. Everyone, give themselves a round of applause. Certainly we will leave the world a better place for our descendants. You can count on it!
dguillor
dguillor
1 year ago
At 16 weeks a fetus is the size of a lentil and looks more like a lizard than a human being. Almost half of fertilized eggs don’t survive five days.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  dguillor
Nit: Google says 16 weeks is size of apple or “small avocado”.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Felix_Mish

Vegetables have rights!

alin_s
alin_s
1 year ago
Reply to  dguillor
That’s why usually people don’t say they’re having a baby until couple of months. They all get ultrasounds and plan reveal parties. I’m sure it’s because they’re expecting a lizard at some point in the future? Have you ever had a child? it’s the best feeling in the world, but it comes down if you’re man enough to raise children.
lamlawindy
lamlawindy
1 year ago
I respect your opinion, Mish, but simply think you’re wrong. The abortion issue should never have been federalized, especially not by the judiciary. Such an important issue should’ve been left to the States for the elected representatives of the people to decide. Indeed, Casey v. Planned Parenthood rendered your 16-week idea impossible, since such a limit would create an “undue burden” on the supposed “right” to abortion.
In States where we believe that human life at its most vulnerable should be protected, we will curb the ability of people to use licensed professionals to kill their unborn children. In States where personal autonomy is more prized, abortion will continue to be available up until the moment of birth. From a personal perspective, I find the latter proposition ghastly. Nevertheless, the compact that was struck between the States — the US Constitution — provides States with the ability to allow such cruelty if they believe a competing interest is more important.
hmk
hmk
1 year ago
Reply to  lamlawindy
I guess Mish doesn’t prefer them to interpret the constitution the way it was written. Most legal scholars knew that Roe v Wade was not the correct decision in the first place, it was a bad ruling. Most people want them to legislate what they want and not what is stated in the constitution. That is there job irregardless of their ideology. If this upsets the poor little woke ones so be it. BTW the US is only one of 6 nations in the world that allow abortions past 20 weeks.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
1 year ago
Reply to  hmk
It’s okay to let them be born. They are going to get shot at school anyway.
alin_s
alin_s
1 year ago

At School? More likely it will be in Illinois. Or Baltimore. Or Detroit. With illegal weapons by criminals aka non law abiding scum. But I honestly can’t wait until that moment when criminals give up the life of crime because of the judicial system. Shouldn’t just make guns illegal, but also murder and organized crime?

JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
If they can’t be shot at school, where CAN they be shot? When did liberals stop being the fun people, anyway?
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  hmk
Fine, set it at 16 weeks
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Men shouldn’t have a say in the matter in my opinion. Have a National Referendum, women only.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Scooot
I’d point out that the Supreme Chicks were, um, split down the middle on that one
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Oops, did I ever get that wrong. The split tails were 2-1.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Will people vote on inflation or will they vote on abortion? I think the former. We shall see.
The media are trying to scare the public again. Keep in mind that the American public has the world’s lowest media trust ratings, at 26%.
It comes down to Aesop and The Boy Who Cried Wolf. Those January 6th hearings were a flop. I think abortion will be a flop.
Where I live, gas is $5.70 and diesel is $6.50. In every town, city, and highway in America, there are half a million “Vote Republican” billboards that the Repubs didn’t even have to pay for.
If this firm independent had to pick whether he wanted to be a Dem “strategist” or Repub “strategist,” and the only criterion was winning, it’d take me less than 1 second to pick the Repub option.
That said, never underestimate the ability of either party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. November is for the Repubs to lose, but I don’t think it’ll happen.
By the way, it’s been interesting to see the degree to which Bloomberg “markets” channel is riding every liberal hobby horse. Even Fox Business has more market commentary.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Again? The media scares the public to drive engagement. It’s part of their business model.
Don’t look now, but an immigrant caravan is coming!
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
That’s also true, but Democrats love that because where else would Hunter Biden get his cocaine?
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Gay marriage is next, followed by interracial marriage, then weed. At some point they’ll just make ‘Christianity’ compulsory.
The evangelical whackjobs are on a roll.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
All that needs to be done now is rename the states.
Arizona = Arizonastan
Arkansas = Arkanistan
… and so on.
Ironically, I think Islam and Judaism allow for abortion so maybe women will all convert to Islam or Judaism. That would be ironic.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
Satanic Temple is on it already.
goldguy
goldguy
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Fingers crossed hope you are 👍
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  goldguy

You’re somewhere on the list of undesirables, they’ll get to you presently. Nazis can’t exist without a scapegoat.

goldguy
goldguy
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Lol, not a chance
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  goldguy
Jesus wasn’t a fan of gold hoarders. That’s the angle they’ll use to take it from you.
goldguy
goldguy
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Guess I better start burying it before it’s too late huh?
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  goldguy
Yup. In reality, Jesus won’t rat you out.
goldguy
goldguy
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
In reality the bible was probably rewritten a few times… don’t believe everything you read
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  goldguy
Truth never mattered much to the faithful.
goldguy
goldguy
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I give that response a by thumb up
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Your fiction is on a roll.
goldguy
goldguy
1 year ago
Thou shall not kill
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  goldguy
Cool tv show.
Jojo
Jojo
1 year ago
Reply to  goldguy
You have to believe in the thing that handed down that rule first.
Denver1
Denver1
1 year ago
Nice summary of the NYT and WAPO promotion of abortion, echo chambered 24/7 across the US since Supreme Court procedures were compromised to attack the Supreme Court, and the Dem Party Troops were rallied to attack the Justices’
homes, their neighbors and any one who stands out from the DNC line.
Please sleep better knowing Colorado and others have laws to kill the fetus up until “birth”, and the live tissue sold to the highest bidder. I don’t think this option was included in your polls above.
Anything less sets off fireworks at the DNC and their Planned Parent Hood donors.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  Denver1
If they can’t get ‘em in the womb, it’s easy to get military weaponry to pick ‘em off in the classroom.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I vote for the classroom. A tad bit more challenging.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Bah, you want a challenge, gotta wait for recess. Otherwise it’s a canned hunt.
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You’re right. Either way it’s shooting fish in a barrel.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  JackWebb
It is if you’re a weenie with an automatic. Real Men shoot bolt action,
JackWebb
JackWebb
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I could always use my Henry lever rifle, but it’s slower reload

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