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ADP Revised its Jobs Forecast Methodology, What’s Cookin’ in August?

Change in Private Payrolls Discussion

  • For July, the ADP says private payrolls expanded by 268,000. The BLS says 471,000. 
  • For August, the ADP says private payrolls expanded by 132,000. The BLS reports on Friday

ADP® National Employment Report

Please consider the ADP® National Employment Report for August, 2022.

  • Job growth slowed for second-straight month in August
  • Private employers created 132,000 jobs in August, a step down from the month before, when the economy created nearly 270,000 jobs. 
  • Payroll growth also slowed in July when compared to June of this year.

Change by Firm Size 

Comparing ADP NER and the BLS monthly employment report

  • ADP and BLS both report on jobs (an employee-employer relation), not employed persons; a person may have more than one job.
  • ADP produces a weekly-frequency data series for jobs in each week, while BLS produces a monthly-frequency data series for jobs in the week that includes the 12th of the month.

Methodology Change 

  • The new National Employment Report presents independent measures of the U.S. labor market rather than a forecast of the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) monthly jobs report. 
  • The new measures leverage the jobs and wage data of 26 million workers to provide a representative picture of the U.S. labor market that will complement official government data.
  • The new ADP National Employment Report provides high-frequency measures of employment, including jobs and wages, to provide a clearer, near real-time assessment of the labor market that can inform business leaders, researchers, and policymakers.
  • The NER uses ADP payroll data to provide a nationally representative measure of employment. This new approach differs from the former NER’s model-based methodology, which sought to forecast changes in the Current Employment Statistics monthly survey conducted by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. 
  • Job data from 2010 forward will be constructed using the new methodology.

Importantly, the new measure is an independent indicator and complementary to government data. It no longer tries to forecast the BLS report.

The new report is via a partnership with Stanford University’s Stanford Digital Economy Lab.

BLS QCEW

  • The Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages (QCEW) provides a quarterly count of Paid Employment reported by employers covering more than 95 percent of U.S. jobs. It is the benchmark measure of employment in the U.S., but it is reported with a lag of about five months after the end of the quarter.
  • The purpose of the ADP NER is to produce a more timely measure of U.S. employment than the QCEW measure of near universe U.S. employment.
  • To produce a nationally representative measure of employment, we use QCEW data on the national distribution of employment across industries, U.S. states, and business establishment employment size categories to weight the weekly employment growth of establishments in the ADP weekly matched sample.

ADP vs BLS Since 2010

ADP vs BLS Detail Since 2021

I have a question into ADP as to the wide and perhaps increasing discrepancy between ADP and BLS. 

The ADP change is welcome. 

However, I would also like them to separately weed out duplicate social security numbers to get a better handle on the number of people working multiple jobs and for comparison to the BLS household survey.

The latter has gone haywire.

Nonfarm Payrolls and Employment Level

Nonfarm Payrolls and Employment Level Data from BLS

Synopsis Since March

  • Employment -168,000
  • Jobs +1,680,000

The household numbers are admittedly noisy, but a five month divergence now stands out.

In expanding economies, discrepancies tend to resolve higher. At turns, discrepancies tend to resolver lower.

I suspect labor turnover and retirements have seriously distorted payrolls and at least some of this strength will be taken away.

ADP can easily help resolve this by weeding out duplicate Social Security numbers. 

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oee
oee
3 years ago
The US econ created + 307000 jobs in August 2022. More jobs in one month of Biden/Harris than 48 months Trump. For the record, the US econ lost a net 2.50 million in 48 months.
NO RECESSION at this time.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Quiet Firing?

But if we’re going to accuse workers of quiet quitting, we should also acknowledge the phenomenon of “quiet firing,” in which employers avoid providing all but the bare legal minimum, possibly with the aim of getting unwanted employees to quit.

They may deny raises for years, fail to supply resources while piling on demands, give feedback designed to frustrate and confuse, or grant privileges to select workers based on vague, inconsistent performance standards. Those who don’t like it are welcome to leave.

MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
I started “Quiet Profiting” where I just take in all the information and find ways to make money from it and not telling anyone but occasionally throw some scraps out to look like I’m helping everyone profit.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Is it true you did throw out one valuable scrap towards the end of 2019?
Or was it an accident?
CRS65
CRS65
3 years ago
Very interesting data! The markets appear to be expecting another hot BLS employment report tomorrow. We could see a sharp reversal of the recent rise in long Treasury yields and fall in stock indices should the August number come in under 250,000 and we get a downward revision of July’s strong number. But who the heck knows! All I know is that all of the business owners who I come into contact with cannot find enough employees.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  CRS65
“All I know is that all of the business owners who I come into contact with cannot find enough employees.”
Bingo!! And if Germany/Europe shuts down manufacturing because of high energy prices then guess what, more supply chain disruptions and more inflation which means higher wages and job hopping.
I think companies are reluctant to start mass layoffs because once those employees go they will be much more expensive to hire back in the future. The old “lay’em off and hire them back cheaper” isn’t going to work and I’m sure that was the plan when covid forced shutdowns and layoffs. I know I am alone on this since everyone is referring to their 1960s economic playbooks.
CRS65
CRS65
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
I am with you on the great hesitation to layoff employees because of the likelihood that it will be more expensive later to fill those positions. I am not with you at all on what I read as your conspiracy theory regarding COVID “shutdowns.”
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  CRS65
There is no conspiracy theory. The lock downs caused airlines, restaurants, hotels, etc to lay people off. I don’t blame these businesses from doing it but I am sure they expected to be able to rehire them all back after covid and that’s not what happened. People moved on to other jobs or retired and most are never going back. New labor is more expensive labor.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
The German yield curve : the front end at zero, 15Y the highest, above the the 20Y and the 30Y. Gravity with US lift the German yield curve up. The 10Y minus the 2Y is not inverted. It doesn’t predict recession. // AAPL + DG monthly DM flip, both are rising in a own day.
The blue zone might lift AAPL in Sept & Oct, for Biden, before sending it down for more accumulation and entertainment .
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
The U.S. is repeating the Japanese asset price bubble (in an accelerated time frame). The economic engine is being run in reverse. This time is different.
The unemployment rate is always going to be “too
low”. See: “The Great Demographic Reversal” by Charles Goodhart and Manoj
Pradhan.
Bank credit is decelerating even faster than during Volker’s reign. Powell thinks banks are intermediaries. Powell eliminated reserve requirements. No, reserves are not a tax (but they enlarged the E-$ market). They were “Manna from Heaven”. So, the E-$ market (an unregulated banking system), is contracting (raising the $’s value). And SOFR replaces 3mo E-$ contracts on June 30, 2023 (“SOFR measures the cost of borrowing U.S. dollar cash overnight using Treasury securities as collateral”). Think foreign O/N RRPs.
Liabilities and Capital: Liabilities: Reverse Repurchase Agreements: Foreign Official and International Accounts: Wednesday Level (WLRRAFOIAL) | FRED | St. Louis Fed (stlouisfed.org)
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
“They were “Manna from Heaven”.”
Absolutely. Why bother to lend (and accept risk) when Federal Reserve a Sugar Daddy?
Former FDIC chair Sheila Bair:
“Most recent FOMC minutes indicate Fed’s earnings will soon go negative. No surprise. Estimated annual cost of paying interest on reserves/reverse repo will hit $200B at year end, assuming target rate of 3.25 to 3.5. It’s expensive to pay institutions not to lend.”
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Negative earnings are no surprise, but let’s not forget the ‘mark-to-market value’ of the Fed’s ‘portfolio’, decreasing in real terms with every interest rate hike. How high do rates have to go given the duration of bonds before something, or someone ‘cracks’?
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Federal Reserve will do just fine. Losses will remain unrealized since they’ll pursue run off (hold to maturity rather than sell). Remittances to US Treasury ($$s back to taxpayer) will likely end, in order to keep paying big fat cat banks.
Look offshore *cough* China *cough* for something to break … kicking off Chaos.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
I bought and have been reading that book and it mirrors much of what I have been saying for a long while. Thanks for recommending it, great read.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Well, today is the day when Federal Reserve increases monthly QT from $47.5 billion to $95 billion. Foot dragging, so far. Will pace pick up measurably?
Mr Market (at the moment) not happy.
$US loving it. dxy near 110 and usdjpy @ 140.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
$US may be ‘loving it’, but the impact on gold sure sucks.
Let’s not forget that $95 billion a month impacts a $9 trillion portfolio…. $1.1 trillion less in September 2023. So, this would be the Fed’s FIVE YEAR PLAN?
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
British pound heading for a currency crisis then the journey to “emerging market status” will be complete.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
BOJ likes weak yen, and that is not showing up in inflation?
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“What’s Cookin’ in August?”
The last day of August was cooking, here. The official high temperature in my city, according to KTLA, was 112. The thermometer outside the home didn’t breech 103. Temperature varies based on location. The Woodland Hills official temperature is the hottest location in the San Fernando Valley section of Los Angeles.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
In 2020 the participation rate reached 1955 level, far below 67% from 22 years ago. COLA accumulation will slow down…
Relying on gov support isn’t good enough. Millennial like to WFH, play video games, walk with the dog on the beach. Zoomers ==> real games. Plenty opportunities for them during China rotation. They will vote for a gov that don’t rip them off to support the old. SS will not go broke. Inflation will choke gov support. // JP fear George Floyd o/n “event”. When the risk will be down RRP valve will
be open, releasing liquidity. Higher interest rates, more liquidity are good for banks, small and midsize businesses, bad for buybacks and executive perks.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
This kind of blows the theory of boomers retiring permanently out of the water.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
How many retired and did not go back to work?
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
yet.
Put me down for many of those (still) retired returning (at least attempting to) to the work force in the next couple of years once the equity in their home / 401K hammered.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
“This kind of blows the theory of boomers retiring permanently out of the water.”
The WEF has a plan for all. We will own nothing and be happy. The WEF wants control of everyone’s assets. Each, according to one’s means and according to one’s needs.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
2019 5.7 million added to Social Security benefits.
2020 5.8 million added to Social Security benefits.
2021 5.4 million added to Social Security benefits.
The trend seems to be 5.x million being added to social security every year. Even if 1.7 go back to work that still leaves a deficit of 3.5 ish million.
Boomers can try to go back to work but health issues will likely not make it worth it.
Do the projections:
2022 5.5 million
2023 5.5 million
2024 5.5 million
2025 5.5 million
2026 5.5 million
2027 5.5 million
2028 5.5 million
2029 5.5 million
2030 5.5 million
Total 49.5 million. Play around with the numbers however you like but it isn’t good no matter anyone’s wishful thinking. Labor is rapidly being depleted, consumption continues to grow. Demand > Supply = Inflation.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
The problem is these numbers don’t show how many are entering the work force (graduating high school and working or graduating college and working). The difference between the 2 numbers is the actual deficit in terms of workers.
The other thing that isn’t shown is how many jobs each year are automated away or shipped offshore.
So the real deficit is Workers Retiring – (Workers entering Workforce + lost jobs due to Automation/Offshoring).
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
You mean like “automation” at the grocery store where YOU are now the check out person and bagger? Or do you mean “automation” like at McDonalds where YOU have to waste extra time at those kiosks entering your email to place and order then get bombarded with endless adds and upsell for more food? Or do you mean “automation” where instead of calling a travel agent and asking them to book you a vacation to Paris YOU now have to go to TripAdvisor, research hotels, excursions, build an itinerary then do most of the work yourself?
And all that “automation” has spawned the need for new machines, software coding, updates, security patches, networks, and tons of other infrastructure which requires an army of people which we don’t have because millions are retiring.
Let’s all face one simple reality: while automation can make ONE part of our life easier it spawns whole new levels of work for someone somewhere else.
I have already crunched the numbers based on my need and the outcome has been terrifying. I would suggest YOU crunch the numbers and act like your future lifestyle and quality of life depend on it because it will. When you reach the same conclusions I have, you’ll likely start looking here for your next step.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Yup, when you get older and more tired, with perhaps a few minor medical issues, there’s nothing like having to move out of a zone because of visa requirements. It is exactly: re-tired, again and again. A new doctor in every town! Keeps ya on your toes. 🙂 Of course if you have a few million in cash there are alternatives.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
To add to the conversation of the baby boom generation, the largest cohort will reach 65 within the next 5 years. You will hear 10,000 American retiring every day but that is a generalization over the baby boom retirement period. Some years there are more, some years less. According to the following chart, in 2023, the peak year for boomers reaching 65, there will be 11,700 (6,200 +5,500) every day.
And of course, some will retire sooner, some later, some will return to the workforce. I cant comment as to exact numbers other than again over the next 5 years a the largest cohort of the baby boom generation turns 65.
How Many People Will Be Retiring in the Years to Come? | St. Louis Fed (stlouisfed.org)
Also another chart from Realvision in 2018 showing also an unusual large cohort of people reaching retirement age in the next 5 years.
Something to watch is growth rate of people retiring and how people are retiring : CryptoCurrency (reddit.com)
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
Yes but it’s not just boomers that exit the workforce. The median age at which people start taking some form of social security is 55. When I saw that I was perplexed but then it occurred to me that there are many who go on disability.
Let’s just take ONE disease: diabetes.
According to the CDC, 37.3 million people have diabetes—that’s 11.3% of the US population.
Common diabetes health complications include heart disease, chronic kidney disease, nerve damage, and other problems with feet, oral health, vision, hearing, and mental health.
Not exactly the ideal worker. Now throw in cancers and an endless list of health problems because America is the fattest country on the planet and things become slowly more clearer about the peril at hand.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
I was a little surprised when someone on this site posted that the average American life expectancy was 78.79. Up in Canada, its 82.2 (male-80.4, female-84.1). On average, Canadians live 3 1/2 years longer than Americans.
Those numbers are pre-covid.
Someone posted about boomers being an unhealthy generation. That may be true to some extent but being a later boomer born in 62, growing up, we had 1 tv channel. I remember what a big deal it was getting 2 channels. Internet only came around what is it 25-30 years ago and fast food, McDonalds etc. only became a thing when I was 10ish. Just my own opinion for what its worth is I believe the generations behind the boomers are even unhealthier. That remains to be seen in the life expectancy rates. I also found another 2022 chart stating American life expectancy-79.11, Canadian life expectancy-82.96
Life Expectancy by Country and in the World (2022) – Worldometer (worldometers.info)
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Roadrunner12
It’s the Canadian beer (and bacon). Eh?
ohno
ohno
3 years ago
As a mfg supervisor in auto mfg nothing has yet changed where I’m at. We do Tesla and a couple others. We’re still super busy. We still can’t get enough help. I’m still here 6 and 7 days a week. Yesterday we needed 10 more people to start a new schedule that will give people more time off today We need 15.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
3 years ago
Judging by the 2020 Covid blip, the “ADP vs BLS Since 2010” chart seems to say BLS counts about 5 million more restaurant-hotel workers than ADP.
dtj
dtj
3 years ago
How can you expect the ADP to weed out duplicate social security numbers when the U.S. government knows 50 different people are using the same social security number but does nothing about it?
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  dtj
There are 27000 SSN associated with 10 or more people.
There are 140,000 SSN associated with 5 or more people.
100,000 Americans have 5 or more SSN numbers associated with their names.
You are correct. The government can’t stop people from making mistakes when writing their SSN on assorted forms. Which is where the vast majority of these errors come from. They get cleared up eventually, but you will never be able to stop people from making mistakes with their SSN.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
They can easily clear things up but clearly don’t want to. Would make it harder to justify fudged numbers.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn

I don’t subscribe to conspiracy nonsense. And eventually I hit the ignore button on those who keep promoting that garbage.

The numbers are relatively small, are constantly being corrected and updated, through all administrations.
There will always be some of these because of everyday human error.
You have to be a conspiracy kook to believe otherwise.
Stop wasting my time with nonsense.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
You mean like Covid was created in lab? Or Hunter Bidens laptop isn’t russian disinformation? Or Trump won in 2016 without Putins help? or the FBI isn’t doesn’t do the democrats bidding? Those conspiracies?
And please give me more investment advice. Because your energy investments must have done great recently.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Maybe realist/imgreen/mpo45/papadave gets his energy advice from Hunter. Hunter made millions working for Burisma in Ukraine. Im not sure if Joe knows anything about it though. Joe could actually be telling the truth.
Papadave still might be looking at housing bargains in Detroit and Chicago.
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
“I don’t subscribe to conspiracy nonsense.”
Yet the Attorney General of Michigan is fighting against removing thousands of dead people from the voting rolls.
Fauci and Collins colluded to smear the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, which the CDC is now seeming to follow the recommendations of.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Thank you for not mentioning how well you’re doing with oil and gas, a welcome relief.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
I am going to keep mentioning it. Until oil is no longer a good investment idea. Feel free to hit the ignore button if you don’t want to read my comments. I don’t mind. That’s what I do when I find someone annoying and a waste of my time. They probably wonder why I never respond to them. But I never see their comments anymore, so I cannot respond.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
From the Social Security website:
70 million people received benefits from programs administered by the Social Security Administration (SSA) in 2021.
5.4 million people were newly awarded Social Security benefits in 2021.
55% of adult Social Security beneficiaries in 2021 were women.
55.3 was the average age of disabled-worker beneficiaries in 2021.
86% of Supplemental Security Income (SSI) recipients received payments because of disability or blindness in 2021.
Today is end of August, let’s add another 200,000 to that number!
Sunriver
Sunriver
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
A very bankrupt system indeed. I’d hate to be in Congress in 2030 when Medicare and SS go broke.
You think you’ve seem QE infinity. In 2030 we’re really talking QE infinity.
Of course you will see the birth pains in Europe first.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
You are forgetting to subtract out those who die each month. The total only goes up by about ~70K or so each month.
You can see the numbers here on a yearly basis since 1970.
Between 2020 and 2021 only 400K new people were added or about 30K a month (lots of Covid deaths). The prior 2 years added ~1 million or 80K a month.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
SS still going to be broke and labor will be depleted across the USA no matter how numbers are tweaked. Not enough young people born and too late to start now. best thing to do is to have a plan for your own person and family on how to deal with what is coming.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
SS can’t go broke any more than EBT cards will. The government can print endless cash to put into SS and EBT cards and we all know this to be true.
Instead what will happen is endless dilution of the dollar via inflation due to money printing for at least 20 or so years till the bulk of the Boomers die off.
And yes, I have a plan as do you and many others. Unfortunately the best plans can easily go wrong if the government goes the confiscation route on those who have assets which is going to be you, me and anyone else who has managed to save anything that can be confiscated (real estate, stocks, cash etc) via taxes or outright grabs.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
So what do you suggest that is easily portable, has internationally recognized value, and can’t be readily confiscated?
And forget diamonds (etc.) where the value is in the loupe of the beholder.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
ADP can easily help resolve this by weeding out duplicate Social Security numbers.
Are they counting jobs or people ? Last I checked people can have multiple jobs. If the data is about counting how many jobs are created, then duplicate social security numbers should not be removed.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
I believe I clearly explained
“I would also like them to separately weed out duplicate social security numbers to get a better handle on the number of people working multiple jobs and for comparison to the BLS household survey.”

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