I’m Calling BS on the Second Straight Amazing Jobs Report, Understanding Why

Nonfarm Payrolls vs Employment Level. Chart by Mish. One set of numbers is wrong.

BLS Jobs Statistics at a Glance

Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 528,000 in June, and the unemployment rate dipped 0.1 percentage points to 3.5 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today.

Job growth was widespread, led by gains in leisure and hospitality, professional and business services, and health care. Both total nonfarm employment and the unemployment rate have returned to their February 2020 pre-pandemic levels.

Here are the details from the monthly BLS Employment Report.

  • Nonfarm Payroll: +372,000 to 151,980,000 – Establishment Survey
  • Civilian Non-institutional Population: +177,000 to 264,012,000
  • Civilian Labor Force: -63,000 to 163,960,000 – Household Survey
  • Participation Rate: -0.1 to 62.1% – Household Survey
  • Employment: +179,000 to 158,290,000 Household Survey
  • Unemployment: -242,000 to 5,670,000- Household Survey
  • Baseline Unemployment Rate: -0.1 to 3.5% – Household Survey
  • Not in Labor Force: +239,000 to 100,051,000 – Household Survey
  • U-6 unemployment: No Change 6.7% – Household Survey

Revision Details

  • The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for May was revised up by 2,000, from+384,000 to +386,000
  • The change for June was revised up by 26,000, from +372,000 to +398,000. 
  • With these revisions, employment in May and June combined is 28,000 higher than previously reported. 

Economists’ Estimates

  • Nonfarm Payrolls: 250,000 expected vs 528,000 actual
  • Unemployment Rate: 3.6% expected vs 3.5% actual
  • Manufacturing Payrolls: 15,000 expected vs 30,000 actual
  • Hourly Earnings: +0.3% expected vs 0.5% actual

The above estimates from Bloomberg Econoday.

Payrolls were much stronger than expected. But there’s a continued huge divergence between jobs and employment.

Change in Nonfarm Payrolls

For the third month we see strength in lagging sectors: Leisure and hospitality, and health services.

Change in Nonfarm Payrolls Since February 2020 

Despite recent gains, Leisure and hospitality employment is 1.2 million lower than in February 2020.

Part-Time Jobs

The above numbers never total correctly. I list them as reported.

However, it’s worth noting that for the second month full-time employment has declined. 

In March, the BLS said full-time employment was 132,718,000. Today it says 132,577,00. Again we see huge divergences between the two reports.

Unemployment Rate – Seasonally Adjusted

Unemployment rate from the BLS, chart by Mish

Nonfarm Payrolls and Employment Levels

Recovery Synopsis

  • Jobs have finally recovered all losses.
  • Employment is down by 576,000
  • The numbers do not reflect increasing population or the type of job recovered.
  • The red and blue dotted lines show the still significant impact Covid has on the economy.

The impact of demographics and Covid are both in play. Neither jobs nor employment will ever return to the pre-Covid trendline.

Hours and Wages

Average weekly hours of all private employees was unchanged at 34.6 hours. Average weekly hours of all private service-providing employees was unchanged at 33.5 hours. Average weekly hours of manufacturers was unchanged at 40.4 hours.

Average Hourly Earnings of All Nonfarm Workers rose $0.15 to $32.27. Year-over-year, wages rose from $30.67 to $32.27. That’s a gain of 5.2%.

Average hourly earnings of Production and Supervisory Workers rose $0.11 to $27.57. Year-over-year, wages rose from $25.96 to $27.57. That’s a gain of 6.2%.

Despite the gains, wages have not kept up with inflation.

Birth Death Model

Starting January 2014, I dropped the Birth/Death Model charts from this report.

For those who follow the numbers, I retain this caution: Do not subtract the reported Birth-Death number from the reported headline number. That approach is statistically invalid.

The model is wildly wrong at turning points but otherwise means little. It is also heavily revised and thus useless.

Alternative Measures of Unemployment

Table A-15 is where one can find a better approximation of what the unemployment rate really is.

The official unemployment rate is 3.5%. However, if you start counting all the people who want a job but gave up, all the people with part-time jobs that want a full-time job, all the people who dropped off the unemployment rolls because their unemployment benefits ran out, etc., you get a closer picture of what the unemployment rate is. That number is in the last row labeled U-6.

U-6 is much higher at 6.7%. Both numbers would be way higher still, were it not for millions dropping out of the labor force over the past few years.

Some of those dropping out of the labor force retired because they wanted to retire. Some dropped out over Covid fears. And still others took advantage of the strong stock market and retired early.

The rest is disability fraud, forced retirement, discouraged workers, and kids moving back home because they cannot find a job.

Changing Employment Dynamics

Covid-19 had an enormous impact on the labor force. Some job losses are permanent, millions of other other people now work from home.

Stimulus provided incentives to not work and some of those workers are returning to the labor markets now.

As of January 2022, there were 22 million workers age 60 and over. Millions will retire soon which will put upward pressure on hiring.

Strength is Relative

It’s important to put the jobs numbers into proper perspective.

In the household survey, if you work as little as 1 hour a week, even selling trinkets on eBay, you are considered employed.

In the household survey, if you work three part-time jobs, 12 hours each, the BLS considers you a full-time employee.

In the payroll survey, three part-time jobs count as three jobs. The BLS attempts to factor this in, but they do not weed out duplicate Social Security numbers. The potential for double-counting jobs in the payroll survey is large.

Household Survey vs. Payroll Survey

The payroll survey (sometimes called the establishment survey) is the headline jobs number, generally released the first Friday of every month. It is based on employer reporting.

The household survey is a phone survey conducted by the BLS. It measures unemployment and many other factors.

If you work one hour, you are employed. If you don’t have a job and fail to look for one, you are not considered unemployed, rather, you drop out of the labor force.

Looking for Job Openings on Jooble or Monster or in the want ads does not count as “looking for a job”. You need an actual interview or send out a resume.

These distortions artificially lower the unemployment rate, artificially boost full-time employment, and artificially increase the payroll jobs report every month.

Recovery Not Complete

This recovery has been fast, but it was also the deepest on record. Some job losses are permanent.

Leisure and hospitality still has huge job needs.

Multiple Jobs

Divergences

Once again we see a divergence between jobs and employment. Past divergences have resolved in the direction of jobs. One of these sets likely won’t. 

  • March employment level: 158,458,000.
  • April employment level: 158,105,000.
  • May employment level: 158,426,000.
  • June employment level: 158,111,000.
  • July employment level: 158,290,000.

That’s five months of heading nowhere or down. The employment change since March is -168,000.

Synopsis Since March  

  • Employment -168,000 
  • Jobs +1,680,000

The household numbers are admittedly noisy, but a five month divergence now stands out. 

In expanding economies, discrepancies tend to resolve higher. At turns, discrepancies tend to resolver lower.

I suspect labor turnover and retirements have seriously distorted payrolls and at least some of this strength will be taken away. 

Regardless, I’m calling BS. At least one set of numbers is seriously wrong. 

Expect a Long But Shallow Recession With Minimal Job Losses

Given hiring pressures and boomer retirements, Expect a Long But Shallow Recession With Minimal Job Losses

The stock market is another issue. For discussion, please see Artificial Wealth vs GDP: Why Earnings and the Stock Market Will Get Crushed

While I expect the unemployment rate will not rise much in this recession, it’s another thing for the unemployment rate to decline and jobs to rise by millions. 

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Jeff Dog
Jeff Dog
3 years ago
It isn’t as disagreement as is seems because the establishment survey leaves out the marginal jobs. For example if you were in business walking dogs then went to work with Google you added nothing to the household survey but added one job to the establishment survey. There is an adjusted household employment research survey research that attempts to remove the major differences and the results do tend to track better but the establishment survey is still smoother.
Taunton
Taunton
3 years ago
Of course there will be revisions. That’s how it goes: They give you the best *believable* number for the headline, then revise it down several times over the next several months/years. That’s how they do it
Jeff Dog
Jeff Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Taunton
Not true, for example June was just revised upward is this report.
Novak1958
Novak1958
3 years ago
RE: “
I asked the BLS to count duplicate SS#s (checks from 2+ companies to same person). They want to. But the SS#s are not encrypted and they cannot access to the data.

This should be a simple sort-merge operation with a count. But no go. I asked ADP the same thing. No response”

It may even be more distorted with stolen and/or shared SSNs. Why would the government care if illegal aliens are using the same SSN? They get all the FICA taxes now from multiple payers, & in the future will pay SS to only one person.
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
#Household Survey
Household Survey is done by phone.. how does anybody pay attention to this c$rap is beyond me.
it is garbage in, garbage out.
alexwest
alexwest
3 years ago
#I’m Calling BS on the Second Straight Amazing Jobs Report
each day Treasury publish stats about federal taxes collected . YOU KNOW REAL MONEY. !!!! not seasonal adjusted cr$ap.
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in 2022 almost each month was positive year over year.
only negative month was in may , and it was because of April ( tax paying calendar quirk ). collections in april grew 75% year/year
so overall 6 month rolling sum in 2022 is 15% over same period in 2021
how labor market is bad if everybody and even uncle pays more and more money to US gov ????
SAKMAN1
SAKMAN1
3 years ago
Reply to  alexwest
Shhhhhh. They will get rid of this data too.
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
3 years ago
Reply to  alexwest
It should be. Last year the economy of most blue states was still shut down
jon
jon
3 years ago
isn’t this most easily explained by foreign remote workers in the new WFH environment? six of the seven contract employees on my team are not in the US, and in fact have never been to the US. are they not counted in payrolls?
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Jojo
Jojo
3 years ago
Submitted for your consideration:
Professional and business services followed close behind, adding 89,000 jobs across management occupations, architecture and engineering services, and research and development. That sector, which suffered little during the pandemic, is now nearly a million jobs above where it stood before the last recession.
Charleen Ferguson has been part of that boom. As the sales and marketing director of a technology services provider in Dallas, she has struggled for months to hire qualified workers at the wages she can afford.
“The people that we used to pay $22 an hour to start are now asking for $35 to $40 an hour,” Ms. Ferguson said. “Most of them that apply for a job haven’t even finished school.”
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
This goes to show that schooling isn’t really mandatory for these jobs. The untold story of the internet is how it has unleashed learning just about anything you want without a formal education. This is why a traditional education for jobs where there is low barrier to entry is overrated.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
I’d really say if you haven’t gotten ahead in life, you only have yourself to blame. Employment reports are where losers look for sympathy.
kansasdude
kansasdude
3 years ago
I wonder what a chart with inputs of lies and living conditions would look like?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Part of me wants to detail my experience with federal economic statistics. But it would de-anonymize me, so others will have to reject it or accept my claim sans any proof or pedigree. The feds issue a huge amount of economic data, so it’s impossible to be conversant with all of it, but employment data was my #1 area of experience. I have written repeatedly that a) I don’t think the Bureau of Labor Statistics manipulates the data for political reasons, and b) There are many legitimate conceptual questions and occasional flukes, and c) I think the “pandemic” response skewed the employment data in ways that the basement weenies with calculators will be discovering and discussing for many years.
Normally, I’d pretty much take the employment numbers at face value, including diving deeper than payrolls and U-3 for more details and insight. Now, I don’t think the employment data are very reliable. Not because anyone’s messing with the numbers, but because the stimulus (which is ongoing in many states) has altered once-reliable dynamics. It’s going to take quite a while for a new normal to emerge, and in the meantime these releases need to be taken not just with a grain of salt but the whole shaker.
My unconfident guess, based on what I’ve been seeing out of the Fed, is that Powell is at sea and being shoved around week to week (maybe even day to day) by this or that set of data. It’s econometrics gone wild. I have always loved econometrics, but too much of anything, no matter how good, is a problem. The Fed has no articulable strategy that I can see. So I’m thinking they’ll use this “strong report” as justification for higher rates. I think rates should be higher, but I’d feel enormously better if there was a strategy and a roadmap in place. This is ad hocracy unleashed, and that’s not good.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
My $0.02 are that you are spot on about continued stimulus boosting hiring. With the hundreds of billions of delayed monies from the past two years still be spent by most states over the next 2-3 years, plus the infrastructure bill and now what might be a $500B’ish “Inflation Reduction” bill, this is the one of the two major hidden sources of monies bolstering the economy. The other is swollen local county coffers from property taxes. These monies are being used for all sorts of capital investment as well as services needed by governments.
On a related note, the 30YFRM dropped ~40 basis points the other day and today it’s back up 36 basis points. From day one, the Fed should have setup an MBS runoff schedule that included outright sales. They should have started small, $5-10B per month, then ramped that up to at least $50B including the current passthrough payments. Again, their roadmap should have clearly stated that their MBS holdings would have gone away in X number of months. My X would have been 36. The housing market must sustain itself through the entire reduction of the Fed’s MBS holdings. To not run off the entire portfolio as quickly as possible means the Fed is now actively looking to manipulate the housing market over the long-term.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
I think the stimulus has reduced labor force participation. In a normal economy, there wouldn’t be so many unfilled jobs. People would go back to work because they have to, but not with so many states continuing “free money” by virtue of federal money being handed out to states, some of which are handing it out to people who aren’t working. It’s terrible policy, but there you have it.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Um, sorry for not being clear. It’s my understanding that a fair amount of stimulus monies is to be doled out by states up through 2028. I’m not talking about stimulus going directly in the pockets of displaced workers who just don’t have a financial incentive to return to work. Yes, that’s an issue, but I’m more talking about government spending by state & local governments. As I said, property tax receipts are through the roof, so this adds fuel to the fire as well.
But, the biggest driver of inflation was the Fed suppressing 10Y rates, causing the 30YFRM to drop through the floor for two years. There would have been at least $2T in refi monies taken out by homeowners during this period. I would say that 90% of that money will have been spent by about this time next year. This is an area that I wish someone would really dig into and give us an idea of how much total equity has been removed from homes over the last two years.
Thanks, JW!
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
A few things.
1. Yes, the reckless QE was inflationary, but I strongly think that the reckless fiscal side (the stimulus checks in particular) made the difference by boosting velocity. This can’t be proven because V is not directly meaurable to my knowledge.
2. My post above was about stimulus checks, which I think directly reduce labor force participation. The rest is a worthy subject but is not part of my analysis.
3. Interesting point about the refis, but rates had been so low for so long that I wonder whether the refi factor wasn’t attenuated in ’20-’22. But I only wonder, and agree that you pose a great question.
4. Also interesting about property tax receipts, but I’m not sure it’s an inflation issue.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
#1 Yes, I agree, but pretty much all the stimi monies to individuals has been spent, except maybe a portion of PPP that stayed in the owner’s / employer’s hand to the tune of 75%.
#2 Agreed 100% and apparently 20 or so states are still handing out extra unemployment supposedly.
#3 The 30YFRM peaked in Nov 2018, then dipped below 4% in May 2019 and fell all the way to 2.66%. Prior to the pandemic, 30YFRM should have been at 6% or higher. Agreed.
#4 It’s inflationary in that local governments tend to do a poor job budgeting. For example, I’m a HS math teacher, and we make sure that we spend every single dollar in our department budget even if we buy stuff we really don’t need. The mentality is: spend it all or you won’t get as much next year. Basically, it’s moving a certain amount of money from individuals to governments. Either way it’s excess money in the system that’s inflationary, and it’s just a matter of who’s spending it and on what. My point really is that it’s a forced tax that has to be paid. And property taxes go up a lot faster than they come down, so it’s ensuring there’s going to be strong demand by local governments for all sorts of goods & services. And with no uptick in sight on foreclosures and the real possibility that rent & mortgage relief will return in a deep enough recession, then local government spending will remain robust for quite some time. All those property taxes start rolling in late in the year and then make the next year guaranteed to be inflationary for 12 more months. It’s not the fuel like stimi checks, QE & profuse Congressional spending, but it certainly dumps more fuel into the fire and keeps it burning longer. The consumer will start cutting back sooner than local governments.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Inflation is always monetary. Without excess monetary creation, you won’t have inflation. The “pandemic” spending was unique and on top of QE. I think it was a big velocity issue — in particular the stimulus checks, which I think continue to be inflationary given that the Fed doesn’t seem to be doing much more than yammering on the QT front.

I don’t see how other state-level spending (including local) is a material inflation-causing factor, as opposed to being the result of inflation.

Karlmarx
Karlmarx
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Similar to parents keeping kids from working by paying for their every whim. Kids not working is killing the labor force AND making them less employable later in life since they have zero skills
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
I agree with much/most of what you have said. With respect to the Fed, I’ve often thought the Keynesian model was the problem. It might be that the underlying situation is dire, and they simply cannot fix it. Damned if you do, and damned if you don’t, but at least appear to be doing something. Covid was a disruptive (uncertain) event that got out of control. As expected, decision makers took the risk averse path.
BTW, my work with BLS employment data (by MSA and industry) was many years ago when I was working with employment betas, extending portfolio theory to be analogous to MSA economic base–also extended to include its impact on the business cycle; and exploring leading and lagging ‘fundamentals’ using 1400 global factors. The goal was to develop a forecasting model for regional real estate, part of a larger simulation model.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I’m not sure that the Fed has been recaptured by the Phillips Curve. As f’d up as that would be, at least there’d be a framework to shoot missiles at. In reality, I think Powell is flying blind into a cloud bank, which reminds me of how JFK Jr. bought the farm. The Fed is being jerked around by the econometric data. They should pay attention to it, but they should not be ruled by the news. This won’t end well, IMO.

Interesting second paragraph. If you feel like expanding on that, I’m interested.

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
The simulation model was a large scale Monte Carlo model for real estate development/investment analysis. Not new, but using beta distributions for each variable not controlled was new. Of course, the immediate problem is collinearity, so I had to generate primary variables (eg. ranges for projected inflation, real demand, supply, and so on) and use them to predict interest rate, rent and rent increases, vacancy rates etc. For a while, I modeled long term trends and business cycles (using polynomial splines). Never a fan of the past predicts the future, I started searching for leading and lagging fundamentals, both national-level and global. That work was not much use until I turned to economic base theory…
My ‘demand variable’ used employment as a proxy. What really impacted real estate ‘demand’ wasn’t total employment, but the ‘export’ industries of a city’s economic base. As go those industries, so goes the MSA. Next step was to use portfolio theory to represent the economic base, and correlate with the nation as a whole…
At this point, computation simply became too complex. One ‘run’ of my monthly MSA-employment by industry dataset and the economic factors data set (1400 fundamentals/factors) took 3-4 days on a high-end workstation (supercomputer time was the alternative). Instead, I finished the dissertation and went consulting…
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
We are all slaves to some long dead economist group think in the profession is killing it
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
3 years ago
Yes, it sure looks like those that are already working part-time are taking on an additional part-time job. That would explain the increase in “jobs” while “employment” remains stagnant.
Also makes sense in light of a slowing economy where part-time workers are having their hours reduced and thus need to make up the lost hours by adding another part-time job.
Not indicative of a “strong economy” at all. More like just plain folks taking desperate measures to make ends meet in a stagflationary economy.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Bam_Man
Usually in recoveries, fulltime employment comes back. This time, it’s not happening. A yellow flag.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
True. With an increasing gig economy there is much less current incentive to hire full-time employees with all their implicit baggage.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Light weight recession, before going downhill faster. People with 160-IQ think that RE goes up forever. RE downhill have started
slowly, before moving faster. The accumulated inflation is worse than markets corrections. It might kill RE in real terms for decades.
Sorry baby, but I disagree with u.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Have you ever met someone with an IQ of 160?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I know a North Dakota potato farmer with an I.Q. of 164. He doesn’t wear it on his sleeve. It came up when we were talking about growing up. He was doing so well in high school that the principal accused him of cheating. He adamantly denied it, so after a bunch of arguing they gave him an I.Q. test, and the principal apologized to him and to his parents. I have rubbed elbows with some scary smart people, and he’s right smack at the top of the list.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
My experience was a 15/16-year-old in his second year of a PhD in math at Harvard. Amazing knowledge and cognitive capacity.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I have one old friend like that, scary smart.
Senior scientist at a national lab.
Interestingly he can’t save money, just spends his cash flow which periodically gets him in trouble .
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Real estate is the one thing that has held up in debt ridden economies like Japan even with closer to zero population growth. Rates are below 5% again today in the mortgage market and likely headed lower.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Perhaps we need a new socio-economic paradigm for zero/negative/slow growth.
db_
db_
3 years ago
I’m not sure Mish’s long and shallow recession hypothesis (and minimum job losses) will hold up. It’s a rational hypothesis, but not necessarily a highly probable one. The biggest unknown would be the government response to fix the problem, i.e. return to aggressive QE/spending/trade wars. How many zombie companies can continue to burn through cash to stay afloat when investor risk premium has markedly dropped? If those companies are examples of epic malinvestment and their funds are drying up it could lead to lower sector wage growth and higher unemployment. Would there be a trickle down effect on the broader economy?
The good news could be improved outlooks for pension plans but I wouldn’t hold my breath with the cohort that are in the worst shape. How exposed are households to crypto and how much leverage was used to gain that exposure? What are the long term effects on young investors experiencing their first market correction and how exposed are they to increased mortgage rates? How has persistent high inflation (a new experience for most of the population) influenced short term and long term plans?
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  db_
At this rate, a real recession may not even hit.
Thetenyear
Thetenyear
3 years ago
They wouldn’t cook the books, would they?
Mish is calling BS on government data that says employment has fallen by 168k while jobs have increased by 1,680,000.
Zero Hedge is calling BS on EIA data that shows gasoline demand is lower than it was during the summer of covid (See: “Very Crooked Numbers…” Biden Administration accused of fabricating low gas demand data to hammer price of oil).
I’m calling BS on GDPNOW’s “history of strong initial forecasts that fade on later data”; unless it normal for GDP to fade as the quarter progresses.
Will a low inflation print confirm these suspicions or am I just a data denier?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Thetenyear
I adamantly reject the idea that the Bureau of Labor Stats ever cooks the books. As for the DoE numbers, they are notoriously prone to major revisions.
Rock0
Rock0
3 years ago
Reply to  Thetenyear
Shadowstats knows they have cooked the books for years.
Nothing really supersedes consumer confidence because they are the rubber meets the road indicator. Govt stats don’t trick consumer’s pocketbooks.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Rock0
Does Shadow Stats accuse them of malfeasance?
AWC
AWC
3 years ago
All official .gov data is subject to “Statistics Engineering.” Especially in election years. That’s the scheme of things going forward. Neo Bolshevik’s wouldn’t have it any other way. A Brave New World of ESG is the meme now.
And never forget, you can’t catch Covid if you’re vaxed, we are not in a recession, and Ukraine is winning. Oh, and inflation is all Putin’s fault.
Carry on.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
$US King Kong today … Emerging market debt denominated in $US not appreciative …
Raise rates till something blows up —> then central banks to the rescue …
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
USD isn’t king. Euro and Yen are self destructing. So, in comparison, it looks strong.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
The yen an interesting story (at the moment). Kuroda vowed to print whatever it took to defend 25 bps on the 10yr. JBG shorts were circling for the kill — no way he could keep printing. Mish had a post a month or so ago on it. Today? 10yr at 16 bps. Shorts Crushed. Again.
edit. Yes. Goes without saying in fiat world. Only need to be King of the dirty laundry.
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
$USD is still “the prettiest girl in the whorehouse”.
For now – but the “mileage” will start to show eventually.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Bam_Man
All the whorehouse gals are looking tatty. There might come a time when you are better off with an inflatable doll. Meanwhile…
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
You have always been better off with an inflatable doll.
Men have such a penchant for self abuse.
Of course there’s always a short-term rental.
No amount of money can buy happiness.
Enough money can lease it.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
“In March, the BLS said full-time employment was 132,718,000. Today it says 132,577,00. Again we see huge divergences between the two reports.”
132,577,000 – 132,718,000 = 141,000. March, April, May, Jun, Jul = 5 months.
141,000/5 = 28,200/month loss of “fully employed.”
We know about 10,000 boomers retire every day and a few thousand kids turn 18 and enter the workforce. This is what a demographic crisis looks like and we’re just getting started. It will be 6x worse by 2030.
“The rest is disability fraud, forced retirement, discouraged workers, and kids moving back home because they cannot find a job.”
I am not clear how this statement is accurate, there are job openings everywhere. Almost every fast food restaurant has job opening paying $20/hr so kids can find a job if they really wanted one as would “discouraged workers” if they tried.
I don’t think it’s BS but the BLS report isn’t perfect either, I’m sure the report has flaws but as each month and year passes, the demographic crisis will become clearer and clearer to see as “full employment” continues to drop year after year. Robots nowhere to be found to help with this issue.
Wait and see when 60 million boomers hit 65+ in 2030, just wait and see. Perhaps as an exercise it would be fun to look at what “full time employment” looks like when 60 million boomers are retired, maybe 2 million tech rich GenXers retire and throw in a million tech rich millenials/zoomers. Oh and there will be another 7 million boomer+ people around on social security/medicare as well.
And that assumes the GOP doesn’t cancel social security and medicare.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
“I don’t think it’s BS but the BLS report isn’t perfect either”
Agree. As long as they don’t change methodology I’m Ok. Seasonal adjustments (sometimes) can be head scratchers. July a month that normally sees a drop in employment (a lot of summer jobs ending, I guess). Todays Establishment seasonally adjusted number +528K … unadjusted number -385K (versus -34K July 2021)
WTFUSA
WTFUSA
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
All BLS reports should be required to be prefaced with: “Once upon a time,”
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
It’s great that there are job openings for kids. Thing is kids don’t work anymore. Employment participation plummeted for youth and is theain reason it has fallen overall
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Karlmarx
And who is responsible for fixing that paradigm? I don’t blame kids for not wanting to work for $7.25, heck even $20/hr isn’t worth it.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
It’s absurd they can’t weed out duplicate SSNs. The government doesn’t allow seeing personally identifiable information, but you can run a query and get counts without seeing the raw data. Just group by SSN. And somehow they have data based on age groups, so they must be looking at birth dates or similar, which is also PII.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
What matters on that narrow point is whether anything has changed. Mish, that’s what you should be looking for. If the error is perennial, it might not matter. I say might not because even if it’s perennial, you’d still need to dive into the history to see if the distortions change at different points in the economic cycle. Without historical analysis, your complaint could be valid but it lacks a solid foundation.
oee
oee
3 years ago
This a sign of success of the Biden/Harris admin. The conspiracy theorists have come out of the woodwork. There is a simple metric to find if jobs are being created. the Treasury receipts. If you have a job, you employer has to withold taxes from your paycheck and makes a deposit to the Treasury dept. According to the figures I have seen , the receipts are going up so jobs are being created.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  oee
“According to the figures I have seen , the receipts are going up so jobs are being created”
Really?
Please cite your argument.
I’m ready with counter.
Crenvy
Crenvy
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
They have no argument. Obviously. No one not delusional can cite a single instance of any Biden policy that has had a significant positive effect on the economy.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Crenvy
The US Treasury Department publishes a Daily Statement. Breaks down receipts for the month. Line item for “withheld and employment taxes”.
Now, this number is typically looked at on a 3 month rolling average to smooth for holidays / business days (Tuesdays and Fridays are normally the big deposit days).
Withheld and employment taxes collected by Treasury Department:
March 2022 … $304.325 billion
April 2022 … $254.172 billion
May 2022 … $246.681 billion
June 2022 … $242.329 billion
July 2022 … $228.238 billion
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
How does this compare with prior years, especially before the economic shutdown? Is there normal seasonality in those numbers?
Rock0
Rock0
3 years ago
Reply to  Crenvy
Biden’s “robust economy” is causing consumer confidence to a new low.. 🙂
oee
oee
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
This is from figures from the The Bondad Blog. You can use something called the internet to find the orignal source.

This gradually improved to neutral at the beginning of 2021, and positive since then.

Tax Withholding (from the Dept. of the Treasury)

  • $231.8 B for the last 20 reporting days this year vs. $215.1 B one year ago, +$16.7 B or +7.8%

YoY comparisons turned positive in the beginning of 2021, and have remained that way – usually very strongly so – almost every week since. These are now normally reliable. The YoY% change fell below 5% several times in the past several months, making it a neutral, but five weeks ago, it once again rebounded to positive.

Thanks.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  oee
  • $231.8 B for the last 20 reporting days this year vs. $215.1 B one year ago, +$16.7 B or +7.8%
….
You can’t use 20 days for the reason I stated above. At least you TRIED. A tip of the hat.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  oee
The money goes to the IRS. Not the treasury. At least not right away.
oee
oee
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
The IRS is part of the…Treasury Dept.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  oee
Let’s look at three examples of political bias at the Federal level.
1) Remember Lois Lerner at the IRS?
2) How about CIA, DOJ and FBI involvement in creating and validating Russiagate and Trump?
3) Could there possibly be institutionalized political bias in the DOJ and FBI with respect to investigating Hunter Biden?
4) Dept of Education bias in woke-joke education????
What makes you think any government department is any different?
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Seems many are losing full time jobs and replacing it with multiple part time jobs. The only thing that makes sense based on the data,
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Another example of the adage that all data suck.
The fact that all of this “job” creation is in services is one reason why you are right. These are part time jobs being created. The statistics show that, and current anecdotal reporting shows it as well. From what I am hearing from employers in Florida, people are taking jobs, working for a week or two, then quitting and taking another one. If you work at restaurant A for a week, quit, start a job at Bar B, quit, and then grab a job at hotel C you have created 3 jobs in the employers survey in one month, and have employed one person at the household level.
Also, Uber is having to call their gig workers employees as well. So if you Uber, grub hub and lyft at the same time you have created 3 jobs in the employers survey and are still just one person working part time.
Fact is that young people are taking their limited attention span to the job market.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Karlmarx
This is why I wish they would base the health of employment off of monthly withholdings. It’s a snapshot of total income from jobs. Not perfect, but better.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Monthly withholding taxes would be one of the only good components of GDI to be used as employment analysis. The problem is that many low paid workers file exempt if they do not expect to make enough to have to pay taxes; hence no payroll deductions. Maybe SS deductions would be helpful?????
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
Also deductions are a function of gross wages. Some people make substantial amounts per hour and some people make peanuts. This would not be a good gauge of full employment.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
Everything you wrote is true, but it just needs to be compared to the prior month to spot trends. These would have the same relative effect every month.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
You make a good point. Shifts in wage level demographics would be my only concern reflecting total employment numbers. These demographics could change slowly month to month so might not be of concern..
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Karlmarx
If the jobs available to you don’t pay enough to survive on, why would you take one? If you’re gonna be homeless anyway, the rational choice is to scrape by on what handouts you can get.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You take what you can get now and hope you land a better job later. If you’re a hard worker, you can get good references or a promotion. There are employed homeless people. I’ve known a few.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
That fits. I know a person who retired in April and then got a part time job due to inflation fears. I’ve heard of others in the same boat.
I don’t expect the employment numbers to make much sense by the old standards until inflation is down and the boomers are retired and stay that way.
Oh, and Ritholtz just posted a chart showing the vast majority of new jobs in the next decade will be in the $30k a year range. So there will be even more part time jobs wanted.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
The Census has similar job projections. The high paying jobs are all high tech or healthcare. I have been scrutinizing so I can position my investments accordingly.
killben
killben
3 years ago
Well it does provide cover to raise rates and claim no recession.
Jmurr
Jmurr
3 years ago
Reply to  killben
And full speed ahead on QT
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Jmurr
I’ve never been convinced that the Fed is serious about QT, and my level of belief continues to drop.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  killben
In economic policy, plausible denial is more important than facts.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
Only for a while. The markets mark to market, and the rest catches up. Which is to say that facts constrain the lying. Not right away, but it usually doesn’t take very long.
Crenvy
Crenvy
3 years ago
Red wave!
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” -Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride

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