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Artificial Wealth vs GDP: Why Earnings and the Stock Market Will Get Crushed

S&P 500 Earnings forecast from Tweet below.

Imaginary Wealth and Hyper-Financialization

Ben Hunt: “In late 1990s, the Fed began to use monetary policy as a political tool to make us richer than our economy could grow, inflating home prices and financial asset prices without (they thought) ever triggering wage/price inflation in the broader economy.”

Change “richer” to “feel richer” and the idea is perfect.

Earnings Forecast

Which Earnings Estimate Do You Believe?

  • Wall Street predicts +10% S&P earnings growth. T
  • The Belkin Report forecasts -48% S&P earnings slump, like 2009.

Actual earnings could be even more extreme or somewhere in the middle, but I expect Belkin to be in the ballpark.

Case for an Earnings Crash

  1. Recession
  2. De-globalization costs 
  3. Retirement of 22 million boomers will lower productivity and slow spending
  4. De-carbonization is very expensive, do we even have the natural resources?
  5. End of a 40-year bull market in interests rates 
  6. Potential for protracted war in Ukraine
  7. Central bank concern over reigniting inflation 
  8. Renewed union push
  9. Wealth impact of stock market decline will itself slow spending 
  10. Various bubbles have just begin to pop

Feedback Loops

Some of the above points are circular, feeding on themselves. But I do expect a reinforcing feedback loop. There is a wealth impact of a stock market and crypto plunge that feeds on itself. 

De-Globalization

De-globalization is huge. We went from just-in-time inventory management to inventory and supply chain chaos. That point alone is sufficient reason to suspect current earnings estimates. 

For discussion, please see De-Globalization: New Supply Chains Are Inefficient and Will Drive Up Inflation

Protracted War in Ukraine

Things will improve once the war in Ukraine ends, but when is that? 

Neither side can win outright until at least one side changes its definition of win. Ukraine wants all of its territory back. Forget it. That won’t happen. And as long as the US keeps supplying weapons, the war will go on. 

Meanwhile, How Long Before Putin Shuts Off Natural Gas Delivery to Europe?

Assume the war ends early. Things will not return to the previous normal of outsourcing everything to Asia confident that supplies will be readily at hand when needed.

Climate Change

A climate change push is everywhere. But where do we get the lithium, platinum, nickel, rare earth minerals? What about fertilizer? 

What about building the infrastructure? The latter will take still more government spending on top of the declared war on fossil fuels driving up costs. 

Unionization

There is a renewed push for unionization in many states. Amazon just lost a key battle. 

In California, and AB5 Ruling May Disrupt All West Coast Truck Shipments

California ruled that independent drivers are employees not contractors. The US Supreme Court refused the case. The ruling creates a huge potential for a massive truck shipping logjam.

Even when the logjam ends, there will be a permanent increase in price. 

22 Million Boomers Head for Retirement

Employment levels from the BLS, chart by Mish

Millions of those workers will soon retire. Who is there to replace them but unskilled Zoomers? 

Expect a productivity hit.

For more discussion, please see Expect a Long But Shallow Recession With Minimal Job Losses

Central Bank Concern Over Reigniting Inflation

We have had a 14 years of near-endless QE. We now have Quantitative Tightening scheduled to last for years.

Color me very skeptical of that idea. Regardless, QT will go on for a while. 

Powell looks like a fool on inflation, primarily because he was a fool. He will not want to risk more inflation. This point is clear.

On June 29, 2022, Powell admitted “We understand better how little we understand about inflation”

  • Powell: “We understand better how little we understand about inflation.
  • Powell: “There’s a clock running here. The risk is that because of the multiplicity of shocks, you start to transition into a higher-inflation regime. Our job is literally to prevent that from happening, and we will prevent that from happening.”
  • Powell: “The process is highly likely to involve some pain, but the worse pain would be in failing to address this high inflation and allowing it to become persistent.”
  • Powell: “Is there a risk we would go too far? Certainly there’s a risk. The bigger mistake to make, let’s put it that way, would be to fail to restore price stability.”

That translates to “Damn the recession, we are hiking.” 

End of a 40-Year Bond Bull Market

Instead of financial pumping, ponder the End of the 40-Year Bull in Debt and a “Global Depression” Threat

Francis Hunt interviews Danielle DiMartino Booth in a must watch video, her most economically comprehensive yet.

Risks Strongly Skewed to the Downside

Point-by-point there is simply no reason to believe fantasyland earnings estimates. My estimate of 2,000+- on the S&P 500 just might be overly optimistic.

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Rbm
Rbm
3 years ago
Throw in the mix there is a group of i would guess mostly professionals who will chose to retire early. From a combination of their 401ks and wealth passed from boomer parents.
Counter
Counter
3 years ago
Good question. This might address some of the issues

The World Economic Forum (WEF) wants to end “wasteful” private vehicle ownership, instead it wants “communal sharing” of vehicles to reduce global demands for fossil fuels and precious metals.

A WEF paper argues private vehicles are not good for the planet’s health and most vehicles are barely used.

A proposed universal model would take vehicle users “from owning to using” vehicles as the way to move forward to protect the planet…

The WEF is not the only organization to want people to give up their vehicles.

The International Energy Agency (IEA) informed global governments to cut the amount of oil supply to domestic consumers and “nudge” people out of their private cars to lower consumption.

The IEA has a plan to reduce the consumption of gas, including reducing speed limits, more electric cars, more cyclist lanes, cheap public transport, long-distance trains instead of airplanes, and working from home at least three days a week.

The IEA said these “changes in the behaviour of consumers” are necessary for the planet.

Source: Christopher Oldcorn is a Saskatchewan Reporter for the Western Standard & Saskatchewan Standard
A lot of the barely used vehicles I see are now from people working at home, collector vehicles, and ultra wealthy fleets. They forgot the private jets and yachts.
radar
radar
3 years ago
“California ruled that independent drivers are employees not contractors. The US Supreme Court refused the case.”
I read here a couple of years ago that folks who think they are employees or business owners need to read the definitions of the same in the statues. In the federal code the following are the definitions –
26 USC § 3401(c) Employee – For purposes of this chapter, the term “employee” includes an officer, employee, or elected official of the United States, a State, or any political subdivision thereof, or the District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of any one or more of the foregoing. The term “employee” also includes an officer of a corporation.
26 USC §7701(c):(c) Includes and including – The terms “includes” and “including” when used in a definition contained in this title shall not be deemed to exclude other things otherwise within the meaning of the term defined.
Under this rule, the term “includes” provides for what courts have described as a “calculated indefiniteness”. This is the expand-ability of the meaning of a statutory term to things not listed in the definition (indefiniteness), but to only things of the same character as those listed(calculated).
So unless a truck driver is performing work of the same character as spelled out in the definition, or contracting with the government, they are not legally an employee.
Still…as a contractor-
26 USC § 7701) (26) Trade or business – The term ”trade or business” includes the performance of the functions of a public office.
The IRS instructions for a 1099 MISC states, “for trade or business reporting only, personal payments are not reportable.”
This is how the government obfuscated the law to make folks think they are subject to taxation when they legally are not. A W-2 is a third party affidavit stating you are an employee but in most cases what’s being issued is a false testimony.
Most business owners are not performing the functions of a public office and are not contracting with the government and therefore are not legally a ‘trade or business’ and their personal payments are not reportable.
prumbly
prumbly
3 years ago
The Ukraine war will end soon. The Russians will have the territory they want and consolidate their control of it. Then it’s pretty much over. Ukraine will sit and fume and take pot-shots at the Donbas, just like they have for years anyway. Russia will eventually get riled up at this and take out some more of Ukraine’s greatly diminished military. But it will essentially be over.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Uhhhh
No!
Post coming up
kansasdude
kansasdude
3 years ago
How do we get from a shallow recession yesterday to a global depression threat the next? Crap is scary.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  kansasdude
“One goes broke slowly, then all at once.”
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  kansasdude
Got the correct prescription eyeglasses. The rose colored ones were nice, but they were just a bit too blurry.
Fish1
Fish1
3 years ago
A cautionary tale of a local story where both players I know. One year ago Steve sold his very modest property for 400k to Bill. Steve’s up-leg property cost 700k but Steve can no longer afford the payments there. Meanwhile Bill cannot make the payments to Steve ( his purchase was seller financed). How quickly things can unravel, collapsing all the well considered plans.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Fish1
I’ve never quite understood why a seller would finance a sale. It happens often enough that someone else understands it, but to me it’s desperation.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
For decades when people asked what to invest in I would just tell them to buy the S&P 500. Today, my answer is dividend value stocks to cope for the high inflation that is here to stay. Of course, that’s just one leg of a four legged chair: dividend income stocks, rental properties, high(er) paying job, and cash. Yes, some stocks will get crushed but not all of them will, it’s a market of stocks not a stock market.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
The thing about a 4 legged chair is when you trim a bit from one leg to get it level it doesn’t get level. So you try a different leg. And then another leg…
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
there’s 7-10 trillion floating around out there, it will find its way into somegthing, this is not 2008 and banks imploding with updated count weekly at Calc risk to follow. This is inflation…and folks are spending….
I’m buying SOXL on any weakness, lowest Trix on weekly ever…..I see run to 18 easy and then 24
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Brutal analysis that needed to be laid out. Thank you.
Meanwhile, gold heads for 1,700. I suspect it’s the last dip before panic hits, but what do I know.
MPO45
MPO45
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Where do you expect gold to hit when “panic” set in? And if the 2008 global crash didn’t take it there, why do you think it will now?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Good questions, and essential.
Let’s deal with #2.
In 2008, the Fed operated in ways that were both vast in scope and very ‘unusual,’ even bailing out other countries. This eliminated the panic and enabled a long slow (and artificial) recovery (akin to life support)–which is why we are where we are today. IMHO, the Fed, has created its own lose-lose situation, essentially no control and unable to effect both growth and inflation control. Just how bad–who knows. It is global in scope, and new territory with so much faux debt, among other factors.
Now, #1.
Panic will set in when #2 (loss of control) becomes apparent by vacillation. Predicting the ‘what will gold hit’ and ‘when’ is a fool’s game. The trick is buying low and selling high, not the min and max.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
From where I sit, it looks like the Fed is saying that it wants to tighten at both ends of the curve. Problem is that QE blew a big bubble in the housing market that it was initiated to support, and other asset markets like stocks and crypto, the most absurd of all. We have all manner of market people simultaneously saying that the Fed has to do this, but warning that (for example) a 3% or 4% fed funds rate will blow everything up.

If that doesn’t tell everyone just how fragile things are, nothing will.

Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Gold has an overhang.
quantzic
quantzic
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
dollar index at yearly high. Really, gold is cheap because smart europeans want to move their capital out of europe.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Gold is heading to 1630 area…
SAKMAN1
SAKMAN1
3 years ago

Regression to the mean, it always happens eventually, with a little overshoot to make it spicy.

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  SAKMAN1
The overshoot is essential. We are dealing with cycles and long term trends–driven mostly by population, innovation, and productivity gains.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Capitalism has devolved into welfare for the unskilled that lucked into a little money.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
re: “In late 1990s, the Fed began to use monetary policy as a political tool”
Absolutely. As predicted in May 1980, “In due course, under this Act, the DIDMCA, our
means-of-payment money supply (now designated as M1A by the Board of Governors) will
approximate M-3.”
One
of the principal purposes of the Act was to provide the housing industry with a
reliable source of funds. That may be
achieved through various governmental and quasi-governmental corporations (as FNMA and GNMA demonstrated). But the role of the S&Ls in housing finance
will probably diminish significantly. By
becoming commercial banks and having a larger spectrum of loans to choose from,
the S&Ls will act like banks and whenever possible eschew “borrowing short
and lending long”

“Sources of mortgage funds will shift from the
subsidized rates heretofore provided by the small saver to “bond-backed”
sources (as MBS demonstrated) which will reflect the higher interest rates prevailing in the
loan-funds markets.”

And the G.6 Debit and Deposit Turnover release was discontinued at the start of the housing boom. As such, the housing boom would have stood out like a sore thumb. Bank debits reflect both new & existing
residential & commercial real-estate sales/purchases.
By mid-1995 (a deliberate and misguided
policy change by Alan Greenspan in order to jump start the economy after the
July 1990 –Mar 1991 recession), legal, fractional, reserves (not prudential),
ceased to be binding – as increasing levels of vault cash/larger ATM networks,
retail deposit sweep programs (c. 1994), fewer applicable deposit
classifications (including allocating “low-reserve tranche” &
“reservable liabilities exemption amounts” c. 1982) & lower
reserve ratios (requirements dropping by 40 percent c. 1990-91), & reserve
simplification procedures (c. 2012), combined to remove reserve, & reserve
ratio, restrictions.

This was the direct cause of the GFC, the
boom/bust in real-estate.

RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
“By mid-1995 (a deliberate and misguided
policy change by Alan Greenspan…
This was the direct cause of the GFC, the
boom/bust in real-estate.”
Someone has to open the barn door so that the horses can get out, in order to close it so that the horses can’t get out, again.
There is a claim that those who forget history, are destined to repeat it. They repeat it, because it benefits them to do so. While repeating it, Greenspan was known as The Maestro. He then walked away, just before it all fell apart, as it was destined to do.
Glass-Steagall was created so that it couldn’t happen again, then was dismantled, so that it could. The SEC knew leverage above 12 to 1 was dangerous, then gave the Big Five investment banks leverage waivers, anyway. It didn’t happen out of ignorance.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
The Maestro caused “Black Monday”. His success [sic] was due to the increasing volume and percentage of saved deposits in the payment’s system which slowed velocity. This is how he worked, causing the March 2001 to November 2001 recession:
required reserves (fear of Y2K):
1999-10-20
88.287
1999-11-03 93.152
1999-11-17 97.465
1999-12-01 106.326
1999-12-15 111.329
1999-12-29 120.914 peak
2000-01-12 113.434
2000-01-26 89.168
2000-02-09 82.523
2000-02-23 82.314
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Some of us were wondering (hoping) if the accounting software was going to work 100% on 01 January 2000.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker

At the height of the Doc.com
stock market bubble, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan initiated a
“tight” monetary policy (for 31 out of 34 months).

Note: A “tight” money policy is
defined as one where the rate-of-change in monetary flows (our means-of-payment
money times its transactions rate of turnover) is no greater than 2% above the
rate-of-change in the real output of goods and services.

Greenspan then wildly reversed
his “tight” money policy (at that point Greenspan was well behind the employment
curve), and reverted to a very “easy” monetary policy — for 20
consecutive months (i.e., despite 14 raises in the FFR (June 30, 2004 until
January 31, 2006), – every single rate hike was “behind the inflationary curve”,
behind RoC’s in long-term money flows). I.e., Greenspan NEVER tightened
monetary policy.

HippyDippy
HippyDippy
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
I was slinging technology stocks, like everyone else, during that period. That was not Black Monday. That was just utter, soul crushing, blackness 2000. Probably a good thing we no longer have windows you can open on high rises.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
US trade deficit is up from minus 110B to minus 85B, a sharp improvement. Last month was a selling climax, this month the response. The worst trade deficit is over. It might help GDP.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
is the deficit up or down going from -110 to -85?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  8dots
If the US trade deficit is down and stays down, it’s a recessionary indicator.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
3 years ago
I agree with all the points but #3 which I don’t think is going to matter at all (Boomers will spend more in retirement on healthcare and the jobs they are leaving may no longer exist much longer anyway much like in the 80’s when I came of age all the old manufacturing union jobs were disappearing to be replaced by tech jobs).
But #3 is only a bit player part anyway (like several other point). In the short term (next year or two) it will be dominated by 1, 9 and 10 and in the medium term it will be dominated by 2 and 4.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
The German 3 month is rising to minus (-)0.307. Once all rates are at zero or above viscosity will keep them down on the zero line,
like in Japan. EU CPI might be flat for decades, just like in Japan. Gravity with German rates will keep all US rates down. Inflation might normalize above US treasury rates ==> US gov debt will cont to deflate.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
And as long as the US keeps supplying weapons, the war will go on
Russia is not just demilitarizing Ukraine, but NATO as well.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Webej

weapons companies are doing quite well from all this. They’re not going anywhere.

vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
last time i looked, my USD 100 buys bubkis, anymore. worse each decade. i still remember the 2 martini lunches of mad men days.
amerikans have been HAD, by bankers who own the FED. guns and butter will screw us all. everytime. past 2000 years.
Anon1970
Anon1970
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
$100 US buys me over 60 round trip tickets to my gym. $100 still pays for my monthly gym membership which is one of the nicest in the area. If i found a $100 bill on the sidewalk, I would definitely pick it up.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon1970
i’d pick up a dime, but it still doesn’t buy jack, like it did when bubble gum was a penny in my youth.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Anon1970
Yes, pick it up and immediately deliver it to your gym.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Mish, let’s add these to your list:
A slow poke Fed with a $9T asset bubble of its own with an unknown outcome of its runoff plan that didn’t end well in September 2019
Starting a recession with .25% FFR which is absolutely unheard of
Under reported CPI that doesn’t accurately asset housing price / bubble as it did prior to 1983
$30.4T in US debt with rising annual interest costs that will probably exceed $600B this year.
A healthcare system that’s bankrupting America: Med Part A is toast in 2026 and Part B is running $500B in the red annually.
Increased social unrest
Possible cyber-attack that knocks out utilities
Massive inflows of undocumented immigrants (1M known + 500K got aways = 1.5M since Brandon took office) will create intense job & rent pressures for lower income families in the coming years and, in general, will help prop up inflationary pressures
And your list is certainly not complete if you don’t mention the economic threat posed by China. I know. This is more of a long-term issue.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Lots of possibilities–you don’t need cyber attack. Stick to facts–still very troubling
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
It’s a fact that we’re in an increased threat environment for a cyber-attack from Russia & Iran but probably not so much China at this time.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Which means what? There is some probability. IMHO, China may be the cyber-attacker. The lesson after Covid: with no penalty for killing millions, it is business as usual.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
There’s nothing wrong with pointing out what if’s. Mish’s deglobalization is more of a what if than a reality for now. But I do think Russia & Iran have more reason in the next 6-12 months to launch a cyberattack on us. The moment America elected Brandon president that guaranteed China would go unpunished for COVID. The whole situation is the most stunning event this century. At least after 9/11, Bush had the balls to go after UBL. Granted, we overstayed our visit by about 20 years. Nowadays, the world is so afraid of China that we can’t come together to establish COVID came from Wuhan. And then we elect a president who’s son is owned by the Chinese which means his father is as well. And we ran Trump out of office for not liking his Twittering and narcissism, knowing full well that he would have been harsher on China than Joe. Brilliant, America!
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
It took a long time to really build the “rules based order” under the protection of the United States Navy, after fighting a cataclysmic war that culminated in the real-world demonstration of a weapon that was primitive by comparison to what came from it, yet showed everyone that we are now capable of eliminating human life from the entire planet.

Make no mistake, the industrialized and industrializing world is reverting to multiple spheres of influence. The Japanese and South Koreans and Taiwanese see it. So does Australia. Europe will soon get the message. South America will do what it did in the second world war: wait to see who’s winning, and then join that side. India has substantial grudges against the U.S. that originated in the 1960s. “The West” has somehow convinced itself, or at least their spokesliars and poo-bahs, that “the world” is on “our side.”

Yeah, and how about that Maginot Line?

quantzic
quantzic
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Let’s take a look at energy:
* current corn crop is 50% of average, because of high fertilizer prices
* ethanol mandate to increase ethanol % in gasoline is coming around Oct.
* these 2 news bits can only add to price pressure for ethanol, and therefore gasoline
* SPR is at record low (same at Cushing), and by law must be refilled in a few months. upward price pressure.

* no new pipelines mean no refinery expansion. 7 have shutdown since 2020, for various reasons.
* ESG bias in lending is removing capital from oil extractors, pipelines, and refiners. CBs are now buying ESG bonds, disrupting nominal rates
* Europe LNG ports are only 15% of what Russia was shipping. Contagion appears on the horizon.
* sanctions appear to be causing deglobalization, and a permanent decrease in efficiency as stocks from russia are sent east, over greater distances, as LNG is shipped overseas from the US.
* oil drill pipe is up well over 60%. This is a primary input cost.

* decrease in oil/gas leases, and cancellations in AK.
* campaign promise to shutdown oil and coal.

Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago

Ben Hunt: “In late 1990s, the Fed began to use monetary policy as a political tool to make us richer than our economy could grow, inflating home prices and financial asset prices without (they thought) ever triggering wage/price inflation in the broader economy.”

Change “richer” to “feel richer” and the idea is perfect.

Not quite.
Change “rich” to “richer”.
The bottom 80% to 90% need not apply.
Of course, no free lunch. Wealth inequality has only gotten worse under Federal Reserve stewardship of pumping asset prices.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Yep! The Fed has drunk the Modern Monetary Theory Kool-Aid of sorts and they’ve done so Congress’ obvious unwillingness to raise taxes to reduce the money supply.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Bernanke publicly backed this nonsense:
“This approach eased financial conditions in the past and, so far, looks to be effective again. Stock prices rose and long-term interest rates fell when investors began to anticipate this additional action. Easier financial conditions will promote economic growth. For example, lower mortgage rates will make housing more affordable and allow more homeowners to refinance. Lower corporate bond rates will encourage investment. And higher stock prices will boost consumer wealth and help increase confidence, which can also spur spending. Increased spending will lead to higher incomes and profits that, in a virtuous circle, will further support economic expansion.”
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
I don’t put most of this on the FED. Inflation is always the result of an imbalance between supply and demand. Not money printing. Although money printing can increase demand. I think most of the inflation we’re seeing is due to a cut in supply. Not an increase in demand. The FED has been printing for over a decade. Why would broad inflation suddenly show up this year?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Inflation is a monetary phenomenon, period.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Can you explain how the FED has increased prices.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Easy. The 24-month rate-of-change in monetary flows, the volume and velocity of money, accelerated from 0.029 in Feb. 2020, to 2.055 in Jan. 2022.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Doesn’t really explain anything. Can you connect the dots between FED actions and higher prices?
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Pour enough money in the financial markets, prices go up and yields drop. There is clear evidence that some Fed $$$ seeped into other markets, like real estate, causing inflated prices (land, improvements, and rents). Real estate is a fundamental driver of the US economy.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
This has been going on for over a decade now and it hasn’t led to broad based inflation until recently.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
‘Seep’ suggests a slow insidious process. Sometimes, all it takes is a ‘spark’ to ignite a forest fire. The underbrush has been gathering for years.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Yes, and it tells you that the economic “growth” since the Panic of 2008 was illusory.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
“In statistics and econometrics, a distributed
lag model is a model for time series data in which a regression equation is
used to predict current values of a dependent variable based on both the
current values of an explanatory variable and the lagged (past period) values
of this explanatory variable”
Contrary to economic theory, & Nobel
laureate, Dr. Milton Friedman and Anna J. Swartz (“Money and Business Cycles”),
monetary lags are not “long & variable” (A Monetary History of the United
States, 1867–1960, published in 1963). The lags for monetary flows, M*Vt, i.e.
the proxies for (1) real-growth, & for (2) inflation indices (for the last
100 years), are historically, mathematical constants.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta

From the
standpoint of monetary authorities, charged with the responsibility of
regulating the money supply, none of the current definitions of money make
sense. The definitions include numerous
items over which the Fed has little or no control (e.g., M2), including many
the Fed need not and should not control (currency).

The definitions also assume there are
numerous degrees of “moneyness”, thus confusing liquidity with money (money is
the “yardstick” by which the liquidity of all other assets is measured). The definitions also ignore the fact that
some liquid assets (time deposits) have a direct one-to-one, relationship to
the volume of demand deposits (DDs), while others affect only the velocity of
DDs. The former requires direct regulation;
the latter simply is important data for the Fed to use in regulating the money
supply.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
re: “Can you connect the dots between FED actions and higher prices?”
I predicted the 4th qtr. 2008 crash. I predicted
the bottom in March 2009. I denigrated Nassim Nicholas Taleb’s “Black Swan”
theory (unforeseeable event), 6 months in advance and within one day. I
predicted both the flash crash in stocks on May 6, 2010 and the flash crash in
bonds on October 15, 2015.

The Stock Market Was Rocked by a Mysterious
‘Flash Crash’ Five Years Ago. What You Need to Know. | Barron’s

“Diminishing market depth and a surge in
volatility were both on display Oct. 15, when Treasuries experienced the
biggest yield fluctuations in a quarter century in the absence of any concrete
news. The swings were so unusual that officials from the New York Fed met the
next day to try and figure out what actually happened”

Link: “Diminished Liquidity in Treasury Market”
or:

Across the Curve » Blog Archive » Diminished Liquidity in Treasury Market
“(Bloomberg) — Trading Treasuries keeps getting tougher and tougher.
For decades, the $12.5 trillion market for U.S. government debt was renowned
for its “depth,” Wall Street’s way of talking about a market’s ability to
handle large trades without big moves in prices. But lately, that resiliency
has practically vanished — and that’s a big worry.”

“The only relevant test of the validity of
a hypothesis is comparison of prediction with experience.” – Milton
Friedman

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
First, I am not being snarky, but a track record like yours tends to attract cynicism.
How many events did you predict that did not occur? How, exactly, did you predict the March 2009 bottom?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Salmo is either a genius or a charlatan. I haven’t decided which. LOL
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
The problem with time series data analysis (regression, ARIMA etc) is the inherent assumption that the past predicts the future. Short term, continuity operates to soften changes, but mid-to-long term forecasts, the range of possible outcomes increases, or confidence declines.
A long time ago, I learned that any statistical model is only as good the variables included, and causation assumptions have to be carefully limited. It is easy to ‘find’ what you are looking for. Spurious correlations can, and do occur.
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
The February 2020 number is a reflection of how things were really falling apart right before covid. It would be interesting to know the January 2020 number. I imagine similar because the seriousness of covid repercussions did not take much grip yet. If anything money moves faster at the start of a calamity because people are positioning to buy security. The first I heard of If it was the Chinese Hospital Construction which began Jan. 24 with a crew of 7,000 people working around
the clock. Chinese state media carried live video of the construction
site and showed the scale and speed of the project.
If covid never existed and it were not for covid relief goosing the economy we would have seen recession in 2020. Things were not that Rosy. Not even Trump or Chuck Norris could have prevented the eventual downside of the financialization of the world economy.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
When the Government dumps money into the population the population can afford and will pay more for whatever they want. Except for a few people that saved some.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
So, the reason pickup truck and video card prices went way up was because of monetary phenomena and not a chip shortage. And the reason gas prices are high isn’t because we lack refinery capacity to meet our daily needs. Rather it’s because of the FED. Is the FED the new Putin?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
If the Fed wasn’t creating too much money, price increases in one sector would be matched by price declines elsewhere.
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Nonsense. Can you give me an example of this?
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
You’ll be seeing it this summer with clearance sales at Wal-Mart, Target, and Kohl’s.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
If people couldn’t afford to pay the higher prices the prices would fall or the products would be taken off the market. If there’s a lot of “extra” money someone will pay. If there’s a lot of “extra” money someone will bid the price up to get what they want.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
In an enviroment of non-inflationary monetary discipline, if a crucial input rises in price, the way to handle it is through targeted actions if justified — not by flooding the whole system with money to disguise the actual problem.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb

Production is half the picture.

JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Yes, in the sense that if the Fed creates more money than the real economy can productively use, the result is inflation.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Darn it! The Fed only creates what the Congress authorizes and the Treasury debt provides for. You can stop the Fed anytime you want, just elect responsible and educated people to Congress.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
No, that’s not how it actually works. Nor should it. Congress should not be running monetary policy. That would be a disaster.
quantzic
quantzic
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
And supply chain fiascos.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  quantzic
Supply chain problems do not create inflation. I define inflation as a broad phenomenon, not a sectoral one.
Doug78
Doug78
3 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
That statement itself is tautological.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Many of our children are poorly taught and few are logical.
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
In 2009, we had a credit problem. Is there a credit problem now?
In manufacturing, it doesn’t feel the same. We are starting to see raw material prices decline. That will help our margins but does support an economic slowdown and lower profits at the commodity producers. Last cycle, oil and gas had excess debt and investment. I don’t think that has happened this time.
I don’t understand what will bring about the large change in corporate profits. I do agree with the increased costs stated above as well as continued increases in regulatory costs. That is bad for smaller companies like I’m in but the bigger ones can pass this through. That’s what happened to banking after 2009. Smaller banks became less competitive and the big banks got much bigger. I see the same going forward. That could be good for S&P firms. Not very good for small business.
Government wants consolidation. Much easier to control an economy without all the small players.
Webej
Webej
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
There will be a credit problem as people (and corporates) try to roll over their debts.
They will not just face higher debt service costs (enough to bankrupt zombies), but will have a hard time rolling it over at all if the cash flow underwriting the credit changes. Capital preservation will trump reaching for yield sooner or later, sooner now.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt3
this is nowhere near 2008-10, foreclosures are non existent, 31% of housing now investor owned. Banks are flush, People are working, pay is good, smart inflation knowledgeable folks are not even feeling this. Then add in that a huge chunk of Americans don’t drive to work now. I didn’t fill up for weeks. Inflation has peaked….
LawrenceBird
LawrenceBird
3 years ago
Those graphs should be on a log scale. Showing a graph of $10 placed in an interest earning bank deposit in 1950 would look the same way.

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