Phil believed he previously had Covid and thus was immune.
🔊 Audio up: “99.5%. Why in the world would I get the vaccine?”
During one of his last radio shows, COVID infected Phil Valentine explained his “educated decision” to skip the vaccine.
Phil believed he was recovering and was now immune. Phil died. Don’t be like Phil. #GetVaxxed pic.twitter.com/wYOmkahH8W
— Resist Programming 🛰 (@RzstProgramming) August 23, 2021
Phil Valentine had this pic with Herman Cain posted to his Facebook. They both died from covid after ignoring self preservation measures. pic.twitter.com/PUtPG4zqua
— Resist Programming 🛰 (@RzstProgramming) August 23, 2021
Audio Excerpts
- The Left freak out over vaccination holdouts.
- I am making an educated decision on whether to get vaccinated.
- So far, so good. Why in the world would I get the vaccine with a 99.5% survival rate?
- Now that i’ve had it. I’m immune.
- I took the [CDC’s] I got my Covid vaccine picture and I marked through the word vaccine.
- And I said doing my patriotic duty for natural herd immunity. I got my Covid-19 [laughter by Phil].
Vaxman
Yahoo News reports “On his radio show Valentine would often sing a song called ‘Vaxman, a parody of The Beatles’s song ‘Taxman.’“
Plea to Look at the “Dadgum” Data
“He regrets not being more adamant about getting the vaccine. Look at the dadgum data,” his brother Mark Valentine said, as reported by NBC News.
More adamant about getting vaccinated?!? How could he be any more adamant about not getting vaccinated?
What about the theory “I got my Covid-19 [laughter]” so I am immune?
What About Ivermectin?
Apnews comments on Ivermectin.
Phil Valentine also said that he was “taking vitamin D like crazy” and had found a doctor who agreed to prescribe ivermectin, a drug primarily used to treat parasites in animals.”
OK Ivermectin has known medical uses in humans mainly for parasites. But self prescription to prevent Covid is at best experimental.
Data on vaccinations is crystal clear.
Message From a Libertarian
https://twitter.com/ydeigin/status/1429670595457961984
“I’m a Libertarian. I don’t like being told what to do,” said the 53 year-old patient who died 9 days later.
Patriotic Duty
Congratulations to everyone getting killed doing their patriotic duty while simultaneously spreading Covid so that others have a better chance of doing their patriotic duty too.
This is the problem isn’t it?
Does your right to not get vaccinated infringe on the rights of others to not be infected by you?
Does your right to not get vaccinated infringe on the rights of others whose insurance rates will surely go up because you do not get vaccinated?
Should those who refuse to get vaccinated also refuse to go out in public so they do not inadvertently spread the disease?
If the unvaccinated patriots do get sick, should they also refuse to go to hospitals where they risk spreading the disease to others while simultaneously causing insurance rates to go up?
Struggles at Drawing the Line
- I struggle with the idea of talk show hosts promoting Ivermectin while rejecting as experimental vaccinations that tens of millions have taken safely.
- More importantly, I struggle with precisely where these self-proclaimed patriots and freedom fighters should and do draw the line about their rights vs the rights of others.
I am not being facetious or flippant. It is a very serious issue about where to draw the line.
A reader commented: “I have a nasty cataract in my left eye that I have been trying to get removed for sometime. Once again I hear from the doctor’s office no elective surgeries are being done. Trying to obtain routine medical procedures here in Florida during this Covid debacle has been daunting.”
Vaccinations are proven to slow the spread of serious cases. Hospitals are clogged with severe cases of Covid, mosty from unvaccinated, needlessly draining supplies from others in need. ICUs are at capacity also due to people on a fool’s mission against the data.
There are stop signs and lights, license requirements, regulations against shouting fire in movie theaters, etc.
Signs, requirements, regulations everywhere.
Any comparison to halting driving or banning knives is absurd.
Why?
The idea is to minimize not eliminate risk.
— Mike “Mish” Shedlock (@MishGEA) August 23, 2021
If the unvaccinated only posed a risk to themselves, it would be one thing. But that is not what the data suggests. The more people that get Covid the more mutations occur, the more hospitalizations happen, etc.
Furthermore, it is well within the rights of employers to require vaccinations and well within the rights of public health officials to mandate vaccinations in hospitals and nursing homes.
The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that schools can mandate vaccines. Hospitals seem to fit right in.
I wish more companies would require vaccinations.
How can Libertarians tell companies they have no right to set terms of employment?
If the alleged patriots don’t like it, it is their right to quit and stay home.
Don’t Like It? Stay Home
Makes Perfect Sense to Me!
1. Passengers should want to be protected from others.
2. Carnival fears lawsuits and outagesVoluntary mandates in progress. I salute Carnival. This will likely increase their traffic. https://t.co/7qu8pXK6L4
— Mike “Mish” Shedlock (@MishGEA) August 23, 2021
“Dadgum” Data
Struggles with the line aside, please let’s discuss the “dadgum data”.
- Dear Anti-Vaxxers Let’s Discuss the Best Covid Data That Exists Anywhere
- Covid Vaccination Rates vs Death Rates Daily and Last 7 Days
OK, weight and age are factors. So what?
The dadgum data overwhelmingly suggest Valentine would be alive today if only he paid attention to the dadgum data.
And it’s not just about the cumulative 628,000 deaths so far. Countless more will be impacted for the rest of their lives with Covid symptoms, lung impairments, etc., that never go away.
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Lou: ‘Why not?’
Bud: ‘Well because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But I’m not sick.’
Bud: ‘It doesn’t matter.’
Lou: ‘Well, why does that guy get to go in?’
Bud: ‘Because he’s vaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But he’s sick!’
Bud: ‘It’s alright. Everyone in here is vaccinated.’
Lou: ‘Wait a minute. Are you saying everyone in there is vaccinated?’
Bud: ‘Yes.’
Lou: ‘So then why can’t I go in there if everyone is vaccinated?’
Bud: ‘Because you’ll make them sick.’
Lou: ‘How will I make them sick if I’m NOT sick and they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘But they can still get sick.’
Lou: ‘So what the heck does the vaccine do?’
Bud: ‘It vaccinates.’
Lou: ‘So vaccinated people can’t spread covid?’
Bud: ‘Oh no. They can spread covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.’
Lou: ‘I don’t even know what I’m saying anymore. Look. I’m not sick.
Bud: ‘Ok.’
Lou: ‘And the guy you let in IS sick.’
Bud: ‘That’s right.’
Lou: ‘And everybody in there can still get sick even though they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Certainly.’
Lou: ‘So why can’t I go in again?’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘I’m not asking who’s vaccinated or not!’
Bud: ‘I’m just telling you how it is.’
Lou: ‘Nevermind. I’ll just put on my mask.’
Bud: ‘That’s fine.’
Lou: ‘Now I can go in?’
Bud: ‘Absolutely not?’
Lou: ‘But I have a mask!’
Bud: ‘Doesn’t matter.’
Lou: ‘I was able to come in here yesterday with a mask.’
Bud: ‘I know.’
Lou: So why can’t I come in here today with a mask? ….If you say ‘because I’m unvaccinated’ again, I’ll break your arm.’
Bud: ‘Take it easy buddy.’
Lou: ‘So the mask is no good anymore.’
Bud: ‘No, it’s still good.’
Lou: ‘But I can’t come in?’
Bud: ‘Correct.’
Lou: ‘Why not?’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But the mask prevents the germs from getting out.’
Bud: ‘Yes, but people can still catch your germs.’
Lou: ‘But they’re all vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Yes, but they can still get sick.’
Lou: ‘But I’m not sick!!’
Bud: ‘You can still get them sick.’
Lou: ‘So then masks don’t work!’
Bud: ‘Masks work quite well.’
Lou: ‘So how in the heck can I get vaccinated people sick if I’m not sick and masks work?’
Bud: ‘Third base.
The EudraVigilance database of the European Medicines Agency reports that through August 14, 2021 there are 21,766 deaths and 2,074,410 injuries reported following injections of four experimental COVID-19 shots:
Since we have started furnishing this data, others from Europe have also calculated the numbers and confirmed the totals.*
Here is the summary data through August 14, 2021.
Total reactions for the experimental mRNA vaccine Tozinameran (code BNT162b2,Comirnaty) from BioNTech/ Pfizer – 10,616 deaths and 833,498 injuries to 14/08/2021
Total reactions for the experimental mRNA vaccine mRNA-1273 (CX-024414) from Moderna – 5,600 deaths and 229,430 injuries to 14/08/2021
Total reactions for the experimental vaccine AZD1222/VAXZEVRIA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19) from Oxford/ AstraZeneca: 4,740 deaths and 947,675 injuries to 14/08/2021
Total reactions for the experimental COVID-19 vaccine JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S) from Johnson & Johnson: – 810 deaths and 63,807 injuries to 14/08/2021
The widespread circulation of this story of a doctor who died two weeks after receiving a Covid-19 jab exposes just how fertile a breeding ground Facebook can be for anti-vaccination content.
This can be partly explained by a committed network of activists, under a variety of different guises, who oppose coronavirus vaccines.
Promoting emotive, personal stories like this one on Facebook has been one of their primary tactics in scaring others from getting jabbed – even when, as was the case with this story, it turns out the death has no link to a Covid-19 vaccine at all.
Throughout the pandemic, these activists have muddled together real – and rare – stories of potential adverse side effects from vaccines with extreme online conspiracies, exploiting medical debates, genuine grief, and legitimate questions.
This also demonstrates the complexity of the disinformation ecosystem on social media – where users seize on a grain of truth, in this case an accurate news story, and spin it into a misleading narrative, without the facts to back it up.
Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) is something researchers watch for very carefully and is extremely rare. In ADE, certain antibodies make it easier for viruses to get into cells. This is bad because it would mean a virus or a vaccine makes people more at risk for severe disease.
If COVID-19 vaccines caused ADE, people who are vaccinated against COVID-19 would have more severe disease. This is not happening. On the contrary, people who are vaccinated typically have very mild disease or none at all. In fact, the majority of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. are people who aren’t fully vaccinated
must pay close attention to whether vaccines are effective for newly emerged, particularly
multiple mutated strains, and whether they will cause the ADE effect.
I mean, I saw on MSNBC – even they brought that up…
“The results reveal the complex details of how the T-cell
response to these vaccines unfolds, and underline the importance of a
second dose for people with no history of COVID-19. The findings showed,
however, that in people with a history of COVID-19, the T-cell response
was already robust after the first vaccine dose, with no significant
increase after the second dose, which may have implications for
potential future booster shots.
cells, not just antibodies, if we want a complete picture of the vaccine
response for those who have not had COIVD-19 and for those who have
recovered from the disease”
link to pennmedicine.org
A reader commented: “I have a nasty cataract in my left eye that I have been trying to get removed for sometime. Once again I hear from the doctor’s office no elective surgeries are being done. Trying to obtain routine medical procedures here in Florida during this Covid debacle has been daunting.”
Vaccinations are proven to slow the spread of serious cases. Hospitals are clogged with severe cases of Covid, mosty from unvaccinated, needlessly draining supplies from others in need. ICUs are at capacity also due to people on a fool’s mission against the data.
Mocking the dead is in poor taste.
Mish has wisely spoken out against the media and
government’s demonization of subsets of the population.
Moderation. Constructive Debate. Open-mindedness. These have
been one of the greatest draws of this site, and I hope that continues.
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Where should one
draw the line when you talk about restricting personal freedom? What if Covid was twice as deadly? Or only 1/10th as deadly? (Then it would be less fatal than the flu) Should people that do not get flu shots be
allowed to go out in public or have to wear masks? Mish asks some excellent *debatable* questions – many sides and nuances here, as with every issue:
Does your right to not get vaccinated infringe on the rights of others to
not be infected by you?
Does your right to not get vaccinated infringe on the rights of others whose
insurance rates will surely go up because you do not get vaccinated?
Should those who refuse to get vaccinated also refuse to go out in public so
they do not inadvertently spread the disease?
Common sense or nonsense?
If you’re age 65, obese and diabetic, have dependents, you’re an absolute fool not to get a COVID vaccine.
Your argument is deeply flawed.
ie, never infected, a vaccine appears to keep you from the hospital. Already exposed, you may very well land in the hospital.
Did he really have it before or not for starters? He said he
did but was any evidence presented proving it? Secondly getting and surviving
covid has shown that you do acquire immunity just like taking the vaccine. If
one is better than the other has not yet been proved. Acquired immunity whether
naturally or by vaccine can be overwhelmed by being exposed to an exceptionally
large amount of virus and maybe that happened to him. It is never 100%. Third of all I said before anecdotes
are not evidence. They however are very useful PR and marketing methods that
are prevalent in publicity and ads. This is an ad and as well know ads are
made to sell and not to inform. I am vaccinated as is my whole family. For me
it is no big deal because I think it will work fine for a while and after we
will see but I do not see this type of ad as being effective and even
counter-effective because it is very easy to find holes in the argument. Some
people will not get the vaccine because of their risk/reward view and you are
going to have to accept it. Believe me if this were a real killer like we saw
in the past then everybody would be fighting to get it but covid is not. I understand that you as a public figure want to do your part but putting up this as a way to convince others is not going to work. It’s too much like medical advertising.
If I didn’t already have it, that would be a different matter, but not one my or my family are in now.