Biden Doubles Down on Vaccine Mandate With Another Circuit Court

Message of the Day

If you don’t like the ruling, try another circuit court.

Please note Biden Administration Asks Appeals Court to Reinstate Vaccine Rules for Employers.

The Biden administration on Tuesday filed an emergency court motion that seeks the immediate reinstatement of its rules requiring many employers to ensure their workers are vaccinated or tested weekly for Covid-19.

The Justice Department filed the request with the Sixth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati, which last week was designated as the court that would decide legal challenges filed around the country to the vaccine-or-testing rules.

A federal judicial panel on multidistrict litigation last week consolidated all the cases in the Sixth Circuit. Before that order, another court—the Fifth Circuit in New Orleans—issued a preliminary stay that prevented OSHA from moving forward to implement the employer rules.

The Fifth Circuit said OSHA’s rules improperly asserted “virtually unlimited power to control individual conduct under the guise of a workplace regulation.” The decision wasn’t a final ruling, but the court concluded that employers and other legal challengers were likely to win. It put the rules on hold during continuing legal proceedings, citing compliance costs to employers and threats to “the liberty interests of reluctant individual recipients put to a choice between their job(s) and their jab(s).”

The Fifth Circuit is one of the nation’s most conservative federal courts, and the Sixth Circuit’s rulings lean in a conservative direction as well. If the Cincinnati-based court denies the Justice Department request, the Biden administration would have the option to seek emergency intervention from the Supreme Court.

5th Court Ruling 

On November 15, I noted Appeals Court Blocks Biden’s Vaccine Mandate in a Blistering Rebuke

Key Judicial Points of the 5th Circuit

  • On the dubious assumption that the Mandate does pass constitutional muster—which we need not decide today—it is nonetheless fatally flawed on its own terms
  • Rather than a delicately handled scalpel, the Mandate is a one-size-fits-all sledgehammer that makes hardly any attempt to account for differences in workplaces (and workers) that have more than a little bearing on workers’ varying degrees of susceptibility to the supposedly “grave danger” the Mandate purports to address.
  • The Mandate is staggeringly overbroad. Applying to 2 out of 3 private-sector employees in America, in workplaces as diverse as the country itself, the Mandate fails to consider what is perhaps the most salient fact of all: the ongoing threat of COVID-19 is more dangerous to some employees than to other employees. All else equal, a 28 year-old trucker spending the bulk of his workday in the solitude of his cab is simply less vulnerable to COVID-19 than a 62 year-old prison janitor.
  • In light of this immense complexity, one might naturally ask the Agency—is this situation truly amenable to a one-size-fits-all Mandate?
  • At the same time, the Mandate is also underinclusive. The most vulnerable worker in America draws no protection from the Mandate if his company employs 99 workers or fewer. The underinclusive nature of the Mandate implies that the Mandate’s true purpose is not to enhance workplace safety, but instead to ramp up vaccine uptake by any means necessary.
  • If the deficiencies we’ve already covered aren’t enough, other miscellaneous considerations seal the Mandate’s fate. For one, “[t]he Agency cannot use its ETS powers as a stop-gap measure,” Asbestos Info., 727 F.2d at 422, but concedes that that is precisely what the Mandate is intended to do here.
  • It lastly bears noting that the Mandate raises serious constitutional concerns that either make it more likely that the petitioners will succeed on the merits, or at least counsel against adopting OSHA’s broad reading of § 655(c) as a matter of statutory interpretation.
  • The Mandate likely exceeds the federal government’s authority under the Commerce Clause because it regulates noneconomic inactivity that falls squarely within the States’ police power. A person’s choice to remain unvaccinated and forgo regular testing is noneconomic inactivity.

Summation of Key Terms Used by the Court

  • “Fatally flawed”
  • “One-size-fits-all sledgehammer”
  • The “one-size-fits-all Mandate” is simultaneously overinclusive and “underinclusive”
  • “Immense complexity”
  • “It regulates noneconomic inactivity that falls squarely within the States’ police power”
  • “True purpose is not to enhance workplace safety, but instead to ramp up vaccine uptake by any means necessary.”

Brick Wall of Common Sense

The last bullet point above says it all: The “True purpose is not to enhance workplace safety, but instead to ramp up vaccine uptake by any means necessary.”

The Appeals Court ruling was unanimous, and rightfully so.

Biden Doubles Down

Today the Biden administration doubled down despite the blistering rebuke.

Moreover, the public is not in favor of this intrusion. It is sure to cost additional votes in the 2022 midterms.

What Does Covid-19 Breakthrough Data Suggest About Waning Immunity?

Hopefully, the 6th circuit court gives Biden another blistering rebuke.

Meanwhile, please consider What Does Covid-19 Breakthrough Data Suggest About Waning Immunity?

Thanks for Tuning In!

Like these reports? If so, please Subscribe to MishTalk Email Alerts.

Subscribers get an email alert of each post as they happen.

Read the ones you like and you can unsubscribe at any time.

If you have subscribed and do not get email alerts, please check your spam folder.

Mish

Subscribe to MishTalk Email Alerts.

Subscribers get an email alert of each post as they happen. Read the ones you like and you can unsubscribe at any time.

This post originated on MishTalk.Com

Thanks for Tuning In!

Mish

Subscribe
Notify of
guest

74 Comments
Newest
Oldest Most Voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Dr. Odyssey
Dr. Odyssey
2 years ago
Published November 24th in the Journal Circulation.
`We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy and other vascular events following vaccination.’
 
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr. Odyssey
Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
Steven R Gundry
Originally published 8 Nov 2021 | Circulation. 2021;144:A10712
Abstract
Our group has been using the PLUS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement of multiple protein biomarkers which generates a score predicting the 5 yr risk (percentage chance) of a new Acute Coronary Syndrome (ACS). The score is based on changes from the norm of multiple protein biomarkers including IL-16, a proinflammatory cytokine, soluble Fas, an inducer of apoptosis, and Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF)which serves as a marker for chemotaxis of T-cells into epithelium and cardiac tissue, among other markers. Elevation above the norm increases the PULS score, while decreases below the norm lowers the PULS score.The score has been measured every 3-6 months in our patient population for 8 years. Recently, with the advent of the mRNA COVID 19 vaccines (vac) by Moderna and Pfizer, dramatic changes in the PULS score became apparent in most patients.This report summarizes those results. A total of 566 pts, aged 28 to 97, M:F ratio 1:1 seen in a preventive cardiology practice had a new PULS test drawn from 2 to 10 weeks following the 2nd COVID shot and was compared to the previous PULS score drawn 3 to 5 months previously pre- shot. Baseline IL-16 increased from 35=/-20 above the norm to 82 =/- 75 above the norm post-vac; sFas increased from 22+/- 15 above the norm to 46=/-24 above the norm post-vac; HGF increased from 42+/-12 above the norm to 86+/-31 above the norm post-vac.
These changes resulted in an increase of the PULS score from 11% 5 yr ACS risk to 25% 5 yr ACS risk. At the time of this report, these changes persist for at least 2.5 months post second dose of vac. We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Who’s assigned to guard duty at your house?
———-
The Thanksgiving bouncers
23 Nov 2021
No one really wants this job, but millions of households may need their own Thanksgiving bouncer. The cover charge is a negative COVID test, done ahead of arrival or outside the front door.
Why it matters: Normalizing rapid tests is a practical way to help extended families feel a little more normal around the holiday dinner table.
•   You may have relatives who aren’t vaccinated (or won’t say) — or babies or immunocompromised guests who are vulnerable to breakthrough infections.
How it works: If you’re hosting, let your guests know ahead of their arrival that you’ll be testing everyone at the door for their own safety. If you’re a guest who’s anxious about attending without testing, talk to your host now about their plans and how you can help.
•    Depending on your budget, you might offer to pick up the tab for everyone’s tests, or hosts might ask guests to pay for their own.
•    At-home antigen tests cost around $25 for a box of two.
•    Alternatively, guests who have gotten a PCR test within a couple of days prior could bring evidence of their negative results. PCR rapid tests can be obtained same-day but are generally much more expensive.
….
Joe
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
2 years ago
@Mish The reason the Biden administration petitioned the 6th circuit federal court of appeals is that due to 20+ lawsuits being filed against OSHA in multiple circuits, the procedure is to consolidate all the lawsuits into a single lawsuit and present to a circuit court chosen at random. The 6th court was randomly chosen.
amigator
amigator
2 years ago
The lack of a serious study of the vaccine versus people that have had the “vid” (aka natural immunity) says all you need to know about the political nature of the vaccine program. You have to go overseas to see any comparable data.
However, it is clear the government does not trust its constituents to make the best choice for themselves. Why then should the continents trust the government?
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
2 years ago
Reply to  amigator
“Why then should the continents trust the government?”
Who the heck, aside from bona fide idiots, ever sad they should?
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
2 years ago
Hilarious, this Czar of deficient brain cells is only pissing off more people, the flu shots don’t work, they give them every year in October for that reason. Studies now show that if you build immunity from previous Sars coronavirus colds and flus, your likelihood of getting serious CV is nil…..
These mandates are the pale white horse actions…Biden is the son of Hitler and his minion crew of self indulgent rich democratic hacks is nothing but brown shirt liberal mafia. Holding taxpayers hostage and free folks who don’t whine over a .01% death rate under 75
Democrats just suck right now
JeffD
JeffD
2 years ago
The President is a politician. The Judicial Branch was designed to be apolitical. There is a separation of powers for a reason. If it were up to just the legislative and executive branch, all of which are politicians, there would be no justice in this world.
Blurtman
Blurtman
2 years ago
The epidemiological relevance of the COVID-19-vaccinated population is increasing
High COVID-19 vaccination rates were expected to reduce transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in populations by reducing the number of possible sources for transmission and thereby to reduce the burden of COVID-19 disease. Recent data, however, indicate that the epidemiological relevance of COVID-19 vaccinated individuals is increasing. 
In the UK it was described that secondary attack rates among household contacts exposed to fully vaccinated index cases was similar to household contacts exposed to unvaccinated index cases (25% for vaccinated vs 23% for unvaccinated). 12 of 31 infections in fully vaccinated household contacts (39%) arose from fully vaccinated epidemiologically linked index cases. Peak viral load did not differ by vaccination status or variant type [1].
In Germany, the rate of symptomatic COVID-19 cases among the fully vaccinated (“breakthrough infections”) is reported weekly since 21. July 2021 and was 16.9% at that time among patients of 60 years and older [2]. This proportion is increasing week by week and was 58.9% on 27. October 2021 (Figure 1) providing clear evidence of the increasing relevance of the fully vaccinated as a possible source of transmission. 
A similar situation was described for the UK. Between week 39 and 42, a total of 100.160 COVID-19 cases were reported among citizens of 60 years or older. 89.821 occurred among the fully vaccinated (89.7%), 3.395 among the unvaccinated (3.4%) [3]. One week before, the COVID-19 case rate per 100.000 was higher among the subgroup of the vaccinated compared to the subgroup of the unvaccinated in all age groups of 30 years or more. 
In Israel a nosocomial outbreak was reported involving 16 healthcare workers, 23 exposed patients and two family members. The source was a fully vaccinated COVID-19 patient. The vaccination rate was 96.2% among all exposed individuals (151 healthcare workers and 97 patients). Fourteen fully vaccinated patients became severely ill or died, the two unvaccinated patients developed mild disease [4]. 
The US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identifies four of the top five counties with the highest percentage of fully vaccinated population (99.9–84.3%) as “high” transmission counties [5]. Many decisionmakers assume that the vaccinated can be excluded as a source of transmission. It appears to be grossly negligent to ignore the vaccinated population as a possible and relevant source of transmission when deciding about public health control measures.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Families of South Korea’s COVID Vaccine Victims Mourn Loved Ones During Mass Memorial Service
The COVID World post date: November 21st, 2021
As South Korea continues its COVID-19 vaccination program, the number of deaths from vaccine side effects continues to rise.
The families of the dead held a ceremony on the 20th of November to demand answers and justice from the South Korean Government. The distraught relatives shaved their heads while holding up photos of their dead loved ones as they begged for answers from government officials.
Joo-Hwan Noh’s 20-year-old daughter had complained to her father in September that she developed chest pain after receiving the Moderna vaccine. Six days later, her pulse suddenly dropped, and she eventually died after being admitted to hospital.
Another person at the event was Lee Mi-Joo, who lost her 25-year-old daughter just four days after her second COVID-19 vaccine last month.
The grieving families yelled “acknowledge causality!” a reference to the government’s lack of admission that the vaccines are causing these sudden deaths.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Vaccine injury induced suicide.
“Kyle Warner a 29 year-old professional mountain bike U.S. champion took the 2nd Pfizer Vaccine and now suffers from Pericarditis, POTS and reactive arthritis, which has ended his career. Kyle won three straight Enduro National titles in the U.S.”
The 29-year-old said: “That’s all it is. It’s about liability, like who has the liability here? And when someone is making money off of this whole thing, there needs to be liability, period. And I’m lucky. Out of the COVID-19 vaccine recovery group, six people commited suicide in the past month or so. This is a real thing. There’s no one to talk to, there’s no one to go to. And everything is censored.”
I watched a very emotional video Warner made, on The Covid World website. In it he said he was not going to commit suicide, but that he has been having suicidal thoughts, since his vaccine injury.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
🙂
Call_Me
Call_Me
2 years ago
The ‘safe and effective’ advertising slogan has become as meaningless as every other slick advertising message.  All Natural, cage-free eggs, and Larger size* (*compared to our smaller package), et cetera.
At this point what does ‘effective’ mean?  Is there a standard, quantified notion or is it like art and it is up to the individual to determine what it is?
Yooper
Yooper
2 years ago
Reply to  Call_Me
What about “safe”??? It’s only been used as a vacc for a year, but has been tested and proposed as a vacc for what, a decade? Why wasn’t it approved before now? (hint, long term safety was one)…
words mean nothing when they keep changing the definitions…
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
Safe in this context means that people aren’t falling over dead in the street so you don’t have to step over them.
Call_Me
Call_Me
2 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
The word ‘effective’ has been rendered meaningless, but it makes people feel good to hear it.  Certainly both components of the slogan are lacking in veracity, I highlighted the one that I feel is less of a flashpoint and more of an afterthought.  It is true that safety concerns are glossed over or dismissed, especially in countries that are pushing for full uptake by their population.
One gets the slogan in print, broadcast, digital, and from a broad spectrum of entities.  Like in investing, when everyone is saying the same message it is prudent to at least stop and consider a different route.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
OT…Woke DA’s and no prosecution for shoplifting leads to widespread looting in SF and elsewhere. This is ridiculous….and the blame does need to  be place squarely at the feet of misguided liberals in local governments.
This is what happens with when Woke activist DA’s try to eliminate racism by not prosecuting criminals.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
I live here and can write all about the corrupt liberal mafia gang of politicians here…..Breed paid money to get out of one censure…..scum all of them
blacklisted
blacklisted
2 years ago
The “True purpose is not to enhance workplace safety, but instead to ramp up vaccine uptake by any means necessary.” 
You never address the elephant in the room – WHY?
HINT:  It has nothing to do with the health and well-being of white, black, brown, yellow, LGBTQ, pedophiles, or any other sheeple (unless they are part of the global elite nutjobs).
Yooper
Yooper
2 years ago
Reply to  blacklisted
Just had to go there 🙂
I mean really, how could the Davos global elite and Bill Gates ever get to the 500 million people max limit for the earth? You’d have to,like somehow inject everyone on earth with something. How impossible!!
Says a common sense person before COVID
I mean, all the rumors of Windows having a CIA backdoor was proven false too, right?
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
That’s what they want you to think!
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
It’s the reason why Biden is so low in the polls. He or more accurately his advisors make stupid decisions that few understand or support. 
blacklisted
blacklisted
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
His advisors, who are following the directives of the WEF, Gates, and Soros, are not making stupid decisions, when analyzed from the perspective of what they are actually trying to achieve. If people actually understood the plan, they might actually get off the couch.
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  blacklisted
I think it’s more due to stupidity than to conspiracy. 
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Stupidity is the mother of conspiracy theories.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  blacklisted
Ahhh… The Plan! Of course!
lkurek
lkurek
2 years ago
They arent doubling down by going to another circuit for appeal….  The reason is that there was a similar cause of action filed in multiple circuits at the same time, and the normal practice then is to hold a “lottery” where one of the 12(?) circuits where cases were filed. This happened AFTER the 5th gave their unanimous, and correct, opinion…. Im going to assume they were hoping that it went to the 9th in San Francisco, but it didnt…went to the 6th, which is STILL a conservative (ie follows the law) circuit. OSHA pulled the rule after this lottery went against them, but apparently the DOJ is still pursuing it. They will get spanked again, and it will probably end up in the supreme court….where this entire field of vaccine mandates has been a neurotic mess. Its still going to be a close call in the supremes, but at least the 5th hold will probably remain for a while….
And I think we, as American’s, should ALL be for freedom and oppose mandates like this, no matter which way we go on the mRNA vaccine
LM2022
LM2022
2 years ago
So stupid.  Why can’t people just get vaccinated?  I hear a lot of wing nuts braying about their “right” not to get vaccinated – what about my right not to be exposed to covid from some dumbf### who refused to take this vaccine?  
Yooper
Yooper
2 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
I recovered. I have nearly zero statistical chance of spreading it
even if I am one of the 1% who contract it again. I am far more safe
to my office and clients than my peers in the office who vacc’d more than 3 months ago.
I have no medical or office safety need for an injection now.
That
should be sufficient enough to be exempted from a mandate – unless the
goal is to get a vacc in and of iteslf, and NOT to stop the spread.
Yooper
Yooper
2 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
This is not to say I don’t agree to the advantages of the vacc to those at high risk. Not at all.
If this vacc stopped transmission longer than a few months, than the story changes.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
2 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
Why complain?  You are vaxed so you are safe from us.  Unless of course you drop dead from an enlarged heart or get some other autoimmune disease as Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Luc Montagnier have warned is the most likely outcome.
This whole notion of “why not just do it” is stupid.  The damned thing is not effective and it is certainly not safe.
None of the pro athletes in this video had preexisting conditions and all of them had gotten at least 1 if not 2 jabs.  This is not happening to the unvaxed.  So stop acting like there is no risk.  If you watch something other than liberal mainstream tv you will realize that everyone except you knows the this vax is dangerous.  History will prove that you’re not as smart as you think you are, but rather simply gullible.
Gloe
Gloe
2 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
Oh, so we have to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated! Do you realize how stupid that is?
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
2 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
Moron.
You are vaccinated. If the “vaccines” did what we were told they would, you should have nothing to worry about, because you’re “vaccinated”. I have had COVID and recovered which means I now have natural immunity, which is more durable and longe-lasting than whatever benefit there is to the so-called “vaccines”.
“It is easier to fool a man than to convince him that he’s been fooled”.
                                      — Mark Twain
lkurek
lkurek
2 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
Do you have the same attitude about the common cold? Flu? Do you expect life to be risk free?
FrankieCarbone
FrankieCarbone
2 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
You have to force it on me. Good luck with that and no, OUR military and police are not gonna force us to take it. 
BTW, it is US that will starve you guys out. Not the converse. ALL of the food and energy is in the red states which are adamantly opposed to submitting to livestock status. Do you have one ounce of self respect? You just do everything that you are told without question (maybe, maybe a wimper and a sniffle) and accept every lie presented to you credulously? 
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  FrankieCarbone
Such righteous indignation!  Your sad little display has convinced me.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
WELCOME  back on earth dumb### !  Looks like you ve been away quite some time, so let me inform you that  vaxxed sheeple are now just as ‘toxic'(or even more so, according to scientists not in the pocket of B Ph)  as their unjabbed counterparts…. 
Christoball
Christoball
2 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
If you feel unsafe, you need to stay at home.
Christoball
Christoball
2 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
Vaccines would appear to promote herd mentality.
Yooper
Yooper
2 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
Really hard to convince someone who injected themself based on a lie, that it was the wrong choice…
Christoball
Christoball
2 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
People I really love got the jab, so of course I hope for the best. I have put a in a lot of research which convinced me not to get the jab. I am not alone in my position because about a third of America thinks as I do. Many many smart people in that 30% group of unvaxed. People who got the vax are always jabbering at me to get the jab. Could jabbering be a side effect.
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  LM2022

You can’t fix stupid, but it’s fun to poke it and watch it hiss and jabber.

RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Don’t look in your own mirror.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
Explain to me how my being unvaxxed impacts you?  You understand that simply because someone is unvaxxed that we aren’t asymptomatic carriers of the virus?  You also understand that vaxxed people can spread Covid just as easily as unvaxxed INFECTED people?
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said last week that Covid vaccines ‘can’t prevent transmission‘ anymore despite working “exceptionally well.”

“Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They
continue to work well for Delta with regard to severe illness and death
– they prevent it, but what they can’t do anymore is prevent
transmission
,” she told CNN‘s Wolf Blitzer. “So if
you’re going home to someone who is not vaccinated…I would suggest you
wear a mask in public indoor settings,” she continued.

RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  LM2022
Why can’t people just get vaccinated? Because they don’t want to risk injury or death from the “vaccine.”
The COVID World post date: November 23rd, 2021
HOWLONG, NSW – A second young Australian equestrian has become severely ill after receiving the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.
Stephanie Gard was rushed to hospital just days after receiving the shot and diagnosed with Peripheral Neuropathy – a serious condition that involves damage to the nervous system that can result in pain, muscle weakness, tremors and extreme tingling in the limbs. Stephanie was paralyzed from the knees down and became unable to walk just days after the Pfizer shot. Additionally, she was also diagnosed with pericarditis (inflammation of the heart) She remains in hospital, undergoing therapy to help her walk and function normally again.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Just collateral damage…
shamrock
shamrock
2 years ago
Let’s not kid ourselves into thinking that any decision on this issue is based in law, it’s purely a political opinion wrapped up in lofty legal language.  So since this will end up in a republican supreme court it will be struck down.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
So you didn’t read the 5th Circuit Court stay? They gave multiple factual reasons why OSHA has no legal leg to stand on.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
But Biden had a plan? People voted for President Cluster Fudge because he had a plan; and they didn’t like mean tweets.
Biden’s plan was predictable–if unable to cajole, threaten and impose. Democrats know what is best for you.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
There has never been a worse president than Biden.  Half the country hated trump but that was just emotions.  He didn’t mandate this or that, no authoritarianism.  The economy was much better and people hadn’t lost confidence in the currency.  But how can anyone have confidence in biden and harris.  They are the most useless, most counterproductive pieces of dog poo ever to disgrace the office of POTUS.  Absolutely shameful.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
What’s worse is the media is constantly trying to cover up their awfulness. There’s no check from the media.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
It’s obviously an attempt to use OSHA to do what people just won’t do on their own. That’s the motivation.
In my view the huge blow-back is unwarranted, since 99.9 % of the oft-repeated anti-vaxxer concerns…….hold no water whatsoever…but I have no idea whether it will hold up in court.
I believe OSHA has previously established precedent for making healthcare workers toe the line on this kind of public health measure. People who work in healthcare and don’t want the vax need to find another line of work.
As long as countries around the world keep having waves of infection, there will be more and more pressure to get people vaccinated. Get used to it.
Yooper
Yooper
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
I recovered. I have nearly zero statistical chance of spreading it even if I am one of the 1% who contract it again. I am far more safe than my peers in the office who vacc’d more than 3 months ago.
I have no medical or office safety need for an injection now.
That should be sufficient enough to be exempted from a mandate – unless the goal is to get a vacc in and of iteslf, and NOT to stop the spread.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
I’ve said before that people with natural immunity from a prior infection should be able to test out of vaccinating. That’s the ONLY group that gets a pass from me, but I do think it’s unlikely that vaccination improves your safety, or that not being vaccinated is a risk to anyone else.
But I still think that vaccination for COVID presents very little risk. Lots of claims are out there, but the data says different.
Yooper
Yooper
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
True, and the logical policy fear is that people run out to get infected – not smart at all. I have high risk people in my family, and when my wife brought it home from a fully vacc’d medical office, frankly, I was a bit fearful.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Whenever a liberal says “whatsoever”, it always turns out exactly the opposite of what they say.  Whatsoever is liberal speak for “I read the headlines and slept in a holiday in and now my pseudo-intellectual self believes I know anything about which I speak.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
2 years ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
And you’re an authority on what, exactly?  Why is it anybody should listen to your opinion about public health? Or anything?
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Because he’s on the INTERNET.
RonJ
RonJ
2 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
“In my view the huge blow-back is unwarranted, since 99.9 % of the oft-repeated anti-vaxxer concerns……”
The list of vaccine seriously injured or dead continues to grow.
We don’t know jack about these mRNA  “vaccines.” Pfizer withheld that Maddie De Garay was paralyzed. What else is being withheld?
We are finding out potential problems with these “vaccines” in dribs and drabs from various studies. The CDC wants years to make public the data from the Pfizer study at a snails pace.
They have to inject millions of children to know how safe the “vaccines” are? What if long term, they aren’t safe and every school age kid has been injected by then?
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
I suspect the current administration will plow ahead with or without the courts consent. They pick and choose which laws need to be enforced. Like any tyrant would.
Gloe
Gloe
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Unfortunately, a lot of companies are mandating the jabs on their own.  The court ruling from the 5th circuit doesn’t prevent that. 
KenNJ
KenNJ
2 years ago
I am in the food packaging business.  We are understaffed by 30% and cannot find enough people to work in our plants across the US.
In addition freight -class 8 drivers are getting more rare by the day.
If this VAX mandate survives the legal challenges – Jan 1-15 will be the real Y2K disaster.  Most truck drivers , most hourly don’t want this VAX and they will stay home.  Grocery stores will go bare, trucks will go idle.  The economy will nose dive.
Gloe
Gloe
2 years ago
Reply to  KenNJ
And Biden has to know this and Biden doesn’t care.  And there will be a blood bath for the Democrats next year, and Biden has to know this and Biden doesn’t care.  And the Democrats in Congress don’t care, because they’ve refused to take up any legislation to prohibit the various mandates. It’s chillingly frightening that there is the possibility of another agenda going on. 
I never understood “single issue” voters before. You know, the folks who vote R because they’re against abortion (though no one is forcing anyone to get one.)  But my medical freedom is my line in the sand.  I would feel this way even if the vaccines were proven to my satisfaction to be completely harmless, which is far from the truth. This lifelong Democrat voted straight Republican in this past election.  We nearly unseated our D Governor Murphy of New Jersey.  There are many more like me out there.
Mish
Mish
2 years ago
Reply to  KenNJ
Mish is a Dem – care to rethink your logon name?
Yooper
Yooper
2 years ago
It’s been repeated suggested that private companies should be able to do what they want, but in my case, I’m not high risk, I successfully and without any issue recovered from COVID along with the other 5 people in my household, and have no medical need for a vaccine. In fact, most my co-workers running around like it was pre-COVID because the company says they are vacc’d, are a bigger threat to each other and our clients than myself.
Clearly, a vacc cannot reasonably be required without a medical need or workplace “threat”. What of HPV? Flu? any of the other 30-some vaccinations available out there.
Companies cannot have a cart-blanch right to invade your privacy rights.
KidHorn
KidHorn
2 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
That’s the thing that makes no sense to me. As far as I know it’s never been recommended to vaccinate those who have natural immunity. Clearly this is far more political than scientific. I suspect the plan is to force vaccines on everyone so they can declare covid was defeated by the vaccine mandate.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Critical thinking (essential to science) stops when the subject becomes politicized.
Here’s a 1992 paper by what is NOW, one of the most politicized institutions in the USA: link to cia.gov
We can thank Bill Clinton for making the CIA a political instrument (of the left). How you ask? Let’s just say it started with affirmative action…
The end of critical thinking at all levels. but in colleges especially, will contribute to the next catastrophe confronting the US.  How serious is it?
Yooper
Yooper
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Thanks, Cap’t Ahab…. Now I have more reading to do 🙂
Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
What? The CIA and the FBI were not political instruments before Clinton? 
Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Don’t forget the lizard people, they created the Clintons in a cloning vat.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I think the end goal now is simply to “soften” up the population for further mRNA type shots.  There is talk of using the mRNA technology for flu, for example as it would be CHEAPER and faster to do this than use the present technology.
Jojo
Jojo
2 years ago
Reply to  Yooper
But it’s a public emergency!  Just watch TV news any day or read the comments on any Covid article published in the NYT, WaPo, SFGate, Boston Globe, LA Times, etc. We’re all gonna die from the killer unvaxxed people!!  [lol]
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Did anybody, other than vaccine makers, produce evidence that repeated injections of the same vaccine work against the always mutating virus strains?
Follow up question: has the verification of vaccine efficacy been outsourced to the respective private sector, similar to FAA and airline industry?
Yooper
Yooper
2 years ago
There is always Israel…. Millions in their study (not the couple hundred hand-picked people somewhere in Kentucky by the CDC), 2,3, even 4 shots and they’re having trouble keeping up with delta, let alone the next varient…

Stay Informed

Subscribe to MishTalk

You will receive all messages from this feed and they will be delivered by email.