Hamas accepted a deal, but it was not a deal that Israel would take. Also see a chilling video conversation that I want you to play (bottom Tweet), and explain how it makes any sense. 
Israel Attacks Rafah, as It Questions Hamas Cease-Fire Terms
The Wall Street Journal reports Israel Attacks Rafah, as It Questions Hamas Cease-Fire Terms
Israel’s military said on Monday night that it was “conducting targeted strikes against Hamas terror targets in eastern Rafah” hours after Israel warned tens of thousands of Palestinians to evacuate parts of the city ahead of an offensive.
The new proposal, mediated by Egypt and Qatar, incorporated Hamas’s own demands, including a cessation of military operations and a withdrawal of Israeli forces before an exchange of hostages in Gaza for Palestinian prisoners in Israel.
The White House on Monday acknowledged that Hamas had accepted a proposal for a cease-fire, but John Kirby, a spokesman for the National Security Council, declined to elaborate on the specifics of the deal or whether Israel was inclined to accept the proposal. “We’re currently reviewing that response,” Kirby said. “And we’re discussing it with our partners in the region.”
Any deal that includes a permanent end to the war is likely to be rejected by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has repeatedly said Israel won’t accept those terms.
Mission Impossible
Israel has insisted from the outset that it was eventually going into Rafah and would eliminate Hamas.
Hamas decided it may as well be now. Returning to the WSJ …
Still, Hamas political chief Ismail Haniyeh worked Monday evening to create diplomatic pressure on Israel to accept a deal, calling Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas called on the international community to pressure Israel to accept a cease-fire.
Pressure built within Israel, too, as thousands of people protested in Tel Aviv and other cities on Monday night in support of a hostage deal.
More than one million Palestinians are currently sheltering in Rafah, the only city in Gaza that hasn’t been subject to a full-on Israeli ground invasion. The Israeli military said Monday’s evacuation notice would affect an estimated 100,000 people in Rafah.
Clear Position
President Biden, before departing his home in Wilmington, Del., spoke Monday morning with Netanyahu about a potential invasion of Rafah, White House officials said. The White House said Biden updated the Israeli leader on U.S. efforts to agree to a cease-fire and “reiterated his clear position on Rafah.”
Ironclad Commitment Mixed Signals
Despite an “Ironclad Commitment” the U.S. Delays Sending Precision Weapons to Israel
The Biden administration has delayed the sale of thousands of precision weapons to Israel, raising questions about whether the U.S. is deliberating slowing the delivery of weapons to its top Middle East ally amid growing domestic political pressure.
White House National Security Council Spokesman John Kirby on Monday declined to comment on whether any arms sales to Israel had been put on hold. “Our security commitments to Israel are ironclad,” he said during the White House briefing.
The State Department, which oversees U.S. weapons sales to other countries, declined to comment and referred questions to the White House. “We don’t comment on individual cases,” said a State Department spokesman.
A spokeswoman for the Israeli Ministry of Defense declined to comment.
If Israel launches a full scale invasion of Rafah, it’s going to be both messy and bloody from a humanitarian standpoint.
Opinions run extreme in both directions. Here are a few examples.
Among the Dead
Singing and Dancing
Stand With Israel
Criminal Invasion
If you have a strong opinion, one of those Tweets likely encompasses it.
Some of us see nothing but a major travesty, noting that US involvement in the Mideast over the years has not accomplished anything.
We have red lines that are green and green lines that are red (think of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Hussein).
We work out a deal with Iran then Trump unilaterally canceled it despite the Defense Department admitting Iran was honoring the deal. Now Iran is closer than ever to having a nuclear bomb.
Looking at Mideast policy in general, what the heck did we get right in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, or Iran?
Now we have an “Ironclad Commitment” to Israel despite withholding weapons we never should have agreed to send in the first place.
Questions Abound
What are the goals in Israel and Ukraine? How much are we willing to pay to achieve them? How will we fund the goals? What is the point of red lines if there is no penalty for crossing them?
Why don’t we just stop meddling because every time we try, we make matters worse while racing up massive debt along the way?
Conversation of the Day
Please play that clip. Then tell me what the Hell Israel stands to gain.
Israel issues evacuation orders. Who, if not Hamas, will be the first to evacuate?
As the horror stories mount on both sides, some of us are sick of the whole damn thing. I see nothing to dance and cheer about.
What possible benefit is there in telling Hamas where the next strike will be, when Hamas will be the first to evacuate?
Ukraine’s Biggest Problem Isn’t Weapons
Regarding Ukraine, please note Ukraine’s Biggest Problem Isn’t Weapons, It’s Lack of Fighting Men
It is all so senseless. Everywhere.
I also have to take issue with Mish’s choice of title… “Biden Reiterates Clear Position”
Clear? Clear compared to what? Compared to Ozzy Osbourne? Ozzt Osbourne listened to some loud music, and various substances may have been involved as well.
Biden is senile, and in his youth he was corrupt. A senile old man desperately trying to cover up and/or explain all the corruption he committed in his youth.
No one cares what a senile old man leading a bankrupt former super power thinks, even if anyone could figure out what he is “clearly” saying
take it easy, please don’t disrespect Ozzy
@Mish asked: “What possible benefit is there in telling Hamas where the next strike will be, when Hamas will be the first to evacuate?”
Seems like you have your answer right there in your question. Everyone knows Hamas will attempt to flee and set up shop elsewhere … If Mish was able to figure this out, certainly the IDF and mossad did as well.
Gee, I wonder if IDF will set up check points to filter out known Hamas leadership as they attempt to relocate? Allow normal civiilans through.
What we have here, are cornered rats (hamas). The goal is to flush out the rats with as little “collateral damage” (blob speak for “killing innocent civilians’) as possible.
Suppose Hamas does behave as you assume; then the IDF will be able to see equipment being moved and learn where to send troops.
Hamas sowed the wind. Gaza, whose people elected Hamas by overwhelming margins, now reap the whirlwind. As wars go, fairer than most.
Like
FJBs 81 million votes and overwhelming win
Sadiq Khan winning the London mayor election overwhelmingly. Mayor of the BRITISH capital and its happening in major cities all across the Island
“Minnesota” bringing in plane loads of Somalis at night under the cover of dark and 20 years later Ilan Omar is elected “overwhelmingly” to a Scandinavian and European enclave
Ukraine overwhelming win for the comedian and feminine variety celeb Zelensky where Obama and his ilk spent $8BILLION to buy the seat for zelensky
You mean like all of those kinds of “elections” ?
I’d be real careful to tie the people in Gaza to support for Hamas
I seem to remember some “Israel’s Dancing” somewhere else, once before? Does anyone remember where that was?
Repeated exposure to psychopathic, sociopathic and depraved behaviors is driving a decline in Western morality. The Overton Window is plunging – starving a few million people in 4K has become a non-issue for the fatties in the west.
If one gloats and celebrates their countries crimes and genocides they are enablers and complicit in the crime. Psychos identify with abuser’s in uncivil societies.
Leaders do it cavalierly, Killery and Khadafi or the idiot Fanta Orange Man and Soleimani, Obama “we tortured some folks.”
Western countries are in a death spiral of depravity. Anything goes and if anything goes “ANYTHING GOES” including the annihilation of everyone and everything (except those in the bunkers.)
Ignore the “morality death spiral” at your peril.
Evil is literally everywhere now.
Hell has come to roost on the surface of the earth.
Now tell us who is the Anti-Christ?
Anti Christ?
Having studied history to an extreme level in a manner that bypasses all of the tropes spewed by the proletariat; I can state with great certainty the Bible is an assemblage of folk tales gathered from across the Middle East. (I don’t and never have watched TV BTW.) You need to reconcile the fact Jesus never existed with the fact the flood was real and yes there always were plagues, Sodom did burn but from an asteroid impact and rivers turned red, likely from the Thera caldera cataclysm.
That’s about all you can count on being somewhat accurate in the Bible.
Dead Sea Scrolls were all fakes.
But Christians were in the Americas long before Columbus, (as the Mormons accurately assert.
The KJV bible was written by Jews for the Catholics. Look it up. Jesus never lived. It’s all a fairy tale. Jews are not the chosen anything. Jew supremacy is a con meant to recruit weak minded Christians to support the fake jews existence, because those Jews in Israel are not even jews.
The real jews who BTW get along well with everyone are the archaic jews in Yemen, Iran, Syria, Ethiopia and even Gaza.
Hoot of the day:
Yeminis have the greatest amount of Semetic blood.
Real Jews are at war with the Fake Jews.
The universe runs on balance. Evil things are things in need of rebalancing. How do we know that unmitigated evilness and self serving-ness is not a predicate in this universe. Lemurs, baby raccoons, hedge hogs, puppies, dolphins, penguins babies and a host of delightful creatures. Every creature does not have 8 arms like an octopus with knife poisonous blades at the tips and every head with fangs all around. No that’s not what we see.
An Anti christ might be thought of; anything that resists rebalancing to get back in line with the higher intentions of the Universe.
I think that dance was held in New Jersey to the sound of crashing buildings. It made the mossad agents so happy! These are real friends, real humanitarians.
Correct They we’re arrested in Hoboken , held for a week and released only to head back home Interesting indeed Urban Moving Systems was the firm they “ worked “ for More like Urban demolition team
If you send ’em the bombs, Joe, what do you think they’re gonna do with them? It’s too late in the year to paint them as easter eggs.
“Kahlissee
BREAKING: They are dancing and singing as they invade Rafah to massacre children.”
The invasion of Rahfah is not to massacre children, as Kahlisse propagandizes. Leaflets were dropped by Israel to induce civilians to evacuate Rahfah.
Rumsfeld and Saddam are roasting on the same barbeque spit.
All of Israel is about the size of New Jersey. All of Gaza is about the size of Brooklyn. All of Rafah is about the size of one neighborhood in Brooklyn. The refugees crammed in there are being evacuated to safety by the IDF as this is the actual preparation for the final push and the end of Hamas. The pics in the article are misleading. They were not taken in Rafah. These Palestinians have reason to celebrate. They are free of hamas. The end is very very near now. Hama’s last stand will be glorious as they are shredded for the dogs to chew on. The ignorant demonstrators and their paymasters will have to find another death cult to support and riot for, while Israel and the Palestinians start to rebuild again, wiser and hoping for a lasting peace.
If all or most of your entire family has been killed, your home turned to dust, your home state/country invaded, no work, checkpoints, dirty water, no schools and when there were school they taught you who the oppressor was and that they were the devil, no future, hungry, embargos against you, etc, etc I would (and many of you as well) become a “terrorist” too. At that point, what do you have to lose? This merely perpetuates the cycle
If you can’t love your neighbor, at least leave them alone. But that doesn’t get the MICMICC paid and it doesn’t fund the ever expanding “intelligence” state in the US with new positions added every year for Ivy league nitwits with no life experience and a feely liberal arts degree that magically makes them foreign policy experts, policy writers and advisors.
Americans struggle understanding “terrorism” and yet it isn’t that hard. Just takes putting yourself in someone else’s shoes.
The reason the boomer generation hates putin and Russia is because they can’t get over the Soviet Union and the Red Curtain. We were propagandized that the Red Bear was the devil from the 1950s to 1989 and I believed it. That’s a lot of hate and propaganda. During the Cuban Missile crisis, people cried daily thinking the end was near and a nuke would vaporize them any minute. It cemented a never ending hate. When you spend time there and in all the ex-Soviet satellite countries and meet a lot of people from the former Soviet Union, you can’t help but realize we are all the same and the Russian people thought and felt exactly the same about us in the West and especially Americans as we did them. Or at least until the 1980s. Most Americans were appalled to see the Soviet tanks roll in to Afghan in 1980 and many cried how the devil, the commie hammer and sickle, was moving against the rest of the free world and “next it will be us”….. and yet those same nitwits have been silent as the U.S rolled in to Saudi, Iraq, Afghan, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Niger, and Yemen since the fall of the Berlin wall and the USSR. The psyop has been wildly successful. And today we have younger generations buying the same bullshit that Poootin is moving against the world and has ambitions of taking over all of Europe. Would be hilarious if it wasn’t such a tired and pathetic playbook
Now we have a whole new hatred and propaganda brewing globally against Israel and the Israeli people as their own necessary, yet massively abused, security state bites them in the ass. Where were these kids and the money behind them when America/Nato were imvading and terrorizing 7-8 nations the last 30 years and creating the largest human refugee crisis in history? Crickets
We are watching another psyop that I’m sure will turn out great for somebody at the expense of someone else’s sovereignty and human life. I’m just not sure who/what that is yet….
And BTW, I’ve been to the ME way too much and been to Israel enough to know what happend on Oct 7 was known by US Intel, Mossad and IDF. “Nobody” was taken by surprise.
The resounding question is why was it allowed. Everything else is just propaganda and noise
These people on both sides don’t give a shit about a few thousand souls as long as they get what they want. So while we can’t fathom the pure evil that thinks and lives this way, it helps to know it exists. And like somebody commented about Rummy and Saddam roasting, the brimfire in hell consuming these demons is a bit comforting
And the “geniuses” in DC get what they want by funding BOTH Hamas and Israel and “we” let them
The US should get out of the “aid” or “foreign aid” or paying for influence or bribe game. We think we are good at it but we SUCK and the MICMICC just enriches itself from it.
STOP THE INSANITY. It is the equivalent of a bribe or paying a friend to hang out with you. Its truly pathetic. Allow people the decency and respect to figure their own shit out.
Then Nazi Germany should have remained very fascist by your “logic”. It all depends on what happens after the war is over, but Hamas is as much an impediment to healthy political life in Gaza as the Nazi Party was in Germany. End Hamas.
Who says the many Germans that suffered deeply after the WWI sanctions and during the Weimar didn’t remain fascist after WWII but did it silently?
STOP giving “aid” to Hamas and see what happens.
Hamas is the EXCUSE to solve the real issues. Like I said, if I/my family was treated a certain way, I too would be a “terrorist” just like Patriots of America were considered “terrorists” by King George and the Tories
@Hank: “And BTW, I’ve been to the ME way too much and been to Israel enough to know what happend on Oct 7 was known by US Intel, Mossad and IDF. “Nobody” was taken by surprise.”
Ummm, the exact same thing has been happening (at various intensities) over and over and over for the last 70 years.
After enough repetitions, even the Washington blob starts to notice a pattern.
Exactly Willie Nelson II.
BTW – You are another one of my favorite guys here to read. 💯👍👌. Thanks for sharing your inputs
Yea the blob doesn’t even have to try anymore. Its juts too easy. They already have the sleeple fully conditioned and can do whatever they want by whatever means they want
Exactly They knew and let it happen just like 911 So obvious Larry Silverstein is envious
The old US guard that protected Israel is swiftly fading away. BByahoo knows this better than anyone. The time to crush these people is now. It can’t wait another 5 years with demographics changing in the west. Banning Tick Toc, cancelling the First Amendment, loading down US taxpayers with more debt to fund it…everything is being done to end this situation for good.
If Trump wins he will undoubtedly supply Isreal with everything they want. The retarded dems demonized him by implying he was under the control of Putin but in reality he is under the control of the Isrealis. I don’t understand why he doesn’t have huge support here by the jewish community b/c he’s practically a Zionist. Somehow I suspect there is a lot of monetary benefit to him in his radical pro Isreal ideology.
There are a lot of conservative Jews who voted for Trump the last two times. They will do so in growing numbers this time also. The focus is how the votes will play out in the swing states. Biden is losing a lot of conservative Jewish support and the media is helping to normalize Trump, making him a sympathetic figure, despite all his legal troubles.
Would one expect anything different? It has always been o vious the Netanyahu was using Oct. 7 ( which was probably let to happen) as a pretense to drive the Palestinians from the remainder of their land. And Our bought and paid for government has been an accomplice in this crime.
And there is something wrong with this?
“the strong get stronger and the weak get weaker”
Yes there is something VERY wrong with this you psychopath
Depends. If you consider that other people having been pushed off their lands is bad, like in Germany 90 years ago, then, yes, it is bad, as a universal human principle.
Yes; this is all awful. Yes; war is brutal. Yes; peace is better.
But the world has been in a mess like this for thousands of years. And it will continue for thousands more.
If you expect Biden or Trump to fix this, even temporarily, you don’t know your history.
Assume that Hamas and Israel reach an agreement to “end” the conflict, return the hostages, lay down their weapons etc. How long do think that will last before those still angry (on either side) start it up again?
Or assume Israel achieves their goal to destroy Hamas. How long before a new Hamas cell emerges and starts it all again?
This isn’t new. We have all been watching this our entire lives.
Hatred for your fellow man runs deep in many; you can see it in this comment section from both sides; but it isn’t restricted to religious or racial hatred; you even seen generational hatred in this comment section, political hatred, gender hatred etc.
Hate isn’t going away any time soon. Particularly when you have political leaders who are leading the charge, fomenting hatred for any group that they think will help their political popularity.
For proof, just read the comments section of a blog like this.
As always, there is nothing I can do about it, other than understand it.
Got oil?
You’re a moron. Just wash your hands of your government’s hands in in enabling it and count your money. With citizenry like you, it’s no wonder why the US is circling down the drain.
Much of the world lives in their own bubble. Inside this bubble people become less conscious and aware of anything but their own money. This complacency is why attacks can easily occur as more citizenry ignores the outside. It is a matter of not that much more time before an attack happens again on US soil imo. And this is what will lead to a legitimate world war.
Who is the moron? Clearly it’s you. Spewing your hate posts, thinking that somehow your professed hatred for others will change anything.
PapaDave, It’s not hate, it’s tough love. Just trying go wake up your humanity.
It’s hate. Plain and simple. Trying to call it tough love is just your attempt to fool yourself.
Nope it’s you Pops
The ‘everything crash’ is coming. A good canary in the coal mine is Warren Buffett dumping 100+ million apple shares. Sadly, I think the crash will probably include oil in the short term.
I’d rather say, got T-bills? (it’s what Buffett is buying too, he’s joined the T-bill club).
Has Uncle Buffy had any stockholder meetings since Grandpa Charlie passed? Always liked their Bartles & Jaymes Act with the Cokes, ice cream and candy, and sage platitudes right out a 1950s Reader’s Digest. Any cash being spent on BNSF choo-choo system before they have a NS incident?
Sounds deflationary a-la 2008. I wouldn’t be surprised if the dollar gets broken in money market funds similar to what we saw briefly in 2008 before the government stepped in. I still have a 401k statement showing a dollar was actually worth 99 cents in the stable cash fund. Once the commercial real estate crisis leads to a banking crisis, it will spread like contagion. The government will have to step in again to try and prevent deflation but it will be harder this time imo b/c of the US debt situation.
Hate to tell you but the FED is already monetizing the debt and buying treasuries
That is what I am in primarily, 3 mo. Its a bit tricky on the rollover you have to make sure you don’t lose a week of interest. You get paid on friday but have to buy before the paydate to insure seemless continuity..
I do not worry about an “everything” crash. Even if every stock I own went to zero, I still have way more than I need.
Markets go up and down all the time. I try to take advantage of the those moves. Bring on the everything crash and I will take advantage of it.
Truely pathetic.
Buffett is an opportunist whose overriding goal in life has been to make money.
Nope it’s the FED doing the buying Nobody would be dumb enough to buy any US govt debt today
The conversation is a good reminder that differences in belief systems are real.
Sectarian societies value individual lives because we secretly or openly doubt that an afterlife is real or important.
Religious societies that believe this life is simply the prequel to the much more important life of the soul are hard to understand.
In the first context, the family leader is effectively choosing to murder his family. If there is a hell, he will go there. He should go to jail.
In the second context, he is choosing to harm the enemy of his faith by offering his family as sacrifices. This will help his family’s spiritual development. He is a saint. He should be celebrated.
You cannot justify DEATH. Whether it is in war, peace time or via terrorism. Death by another human has no excuses.
Mish. Majority of these comments are “excuses”. Nothing more.
Everyone should do the right thing.
Stop the killing. Both sides.
RIGHT ON Goat
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All Hamas has to do is release the hostages, lay down their weapons and surrender. Until they do that the necessary killing will continue.
It’s almost like you truly believe the nonsense you post Scary
Really? Even in the West Bank? Will Israel let the Palis live there in their own state without Israeli control and stop razing villages and killing goatherders? Promise?
One good thing that has come out of this is that everyone can now see what radical Islam is, the methods they use to gain power and what lengths they will go to keep in power. We also can see how well they have studied our political systems and how well they have used them to turn our own institutions against us. Till now it was mostly by stealth but in order to support Hamas they had to throw off their cloaks and show themselves. Now we will see which way it will go.
Some think for some reason that is all our fault as if radical Islam only appeared in the last 50 years. Talk to any Islamic scholar worth their salt and they will tell you that that rot set in the Twelfth Century and in a couple hundred years destroyed the brilliance of their civilization.
Before many could say it is far away so it is not my problem. Now they see that the problem is not far away but right here. Nevertheless, there are those who believe by isolating themselves, they will remain isolated from the world’s problems.
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”
The one good thing to come out of this is that anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that our government is bought and paid for by the Israeli lobby. Israel first, America last.
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see your game.
Alex is one of the few who actually makes sense on these very biased, convoluted forums
What’s really scary is what’s going on there is going to be coming to Western countries in the next decade or so because of the rising numbers of Muslim immigrants.
It’s especially playing out now in Canada.
link to torontosun.com
link to torontosun.com
Yes. In Europe it is well advanced.
Unless Trump becomes president.
Lol yeah sure Trump to the rescue Wonder if he’ll have Stormy Daniels on his team
Lots of conspiracy theories pop out every time this topic comes up but there is no need for any conspiracy theory. To understand what is going to happen you need only look at one thing: demographics and reproductive rates.
Genghis Khan conquered China but what happened to his people? Well they were absorbed by the Chinese and somewhat vanished except for the tiny dna remnants.
The west “screwed itself silly” (pun intended) into a demographic death spiral chasing material wealth & possessions. It was better to have 4000 sq ft homes and BMWs than kids for most of this group and now it’s too late. There is no way to undo this mess.
The future of the world can be determined by sorting the table at the Wikipedia link below by female age because those are the people that will produce the next generations. The male number is irrelevant because all it takes is a few good men to seed thousands of women.
link to en.wikipedia.org
Click the “Female” column and sort from young to old. That is the future of the planet. If you want to “defeat” your enemies, you simply need to out reproduce them.
The amount of technological advancement or “superiority” is irrelevant if there are no people around to use it.
It became difficult to have large families when woman chose to go to work full time en masse staring around the mid-1960’s. They claimed they wanted “fulfilment” but in reality, two incomes allowed the purchase of the bigger house, nicer car(s), better colleges for their kids, better and more frequent vacations, etc. As so often with humans, it was all about greed and desire to step higher in society.
Ahh right if you’re not intelligent enough to see through all the bullshit you just call everything conspiracy theories I think many if not most are reality
I’ll volunteer to fix the problem! Please, sir, me!
Mostly what the Mongols (and other conquerors) did was kill off all the males (including male children) and then impregnate the women. That way the next generation literally WERE Mongols. That’s why their DNA markers are everywhere.
So they didn’t disappear, rather the pure bloods became mixed blood Mongols.
lets not forget starvation, and gnarly weapons….they can both effect demographic trends before you know it
Radical Islam has nothing to do with this Put yourself in their shoes for 5 minutes and you and I would also be radicalized
Hmm. Is it radical Islam not to want to be kicked off your ancestors’ lands?
– Israel’s criminal invasion of Rafah, the last refuge for Palestinians in Gaza, has begun.
> I only see self defense against brutal invaders, that want to wipe their Country off off the map! Hamas/Palestinians did however provide a criminal invasion upon Israel, and we have it on film, all of it! Rape, murder, torture etc. it would be a shame if a Country your invading recklessly and without regard for their lives, suddenly said enough, and fought back, and felt the same way towards you as you did for them.
> Hamas did indeed condensed 1.7 millions of civilians into a very small area, and then they enslaved many, raped and tortured them, and outright slaughtered them. They then Israel attacked through air, land and sea in the midnight, to kill as many in Israel as possible, and took the rest as hostages, and for most, never to be seen again.
– Some of us see nothing but a major travesty, noting that US involvement in the Mideast over the years has not accomplished anything.
> Did you forget the “War Machine” of which gets built up every time we do this in the Middle East. They are just the means to an end, for our Military Industrial Complex. Use them on people, or leave the old stuff there, so we have to build new stuff…
– Looking at Mideast policy in general, what the heck did we get right in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, or Iran.
> The right to build up and out, our Military Industrial Complex.
– What are the goals in Israel and Ukraine?
> Ukraine is for Lab Testing out of site and out of mind. They don’t want to lose that gig. Israel is a Nuclear Power in the Middle East, and a great ally to have for nothing more than that!
– How much are we willing to pay to achieve them?
> Money, or people lives? Money, is as much as they are allowed to take from American Taxpayers against their collective will. It is clearly showing up in the polls now. Lives, as many as Israel and Ukraine are willing to spare in the battle, as we are just bystanders with our children, and have nothing to lose, but a big man’s playground of BS. Oh, and a nuclear power that we will not let down of course.
– How will we fund the goals?
> Silly question, as we will, as we always do: TAXPAYERS!!!
– What is the point of red lines if there is no penalty for crossing them?
> Weak people do this, to Feel like a tough guy…
– Why don’t we just stop meddling because every time we try, we make matters worse while racing up massive debt along the way?
> Power, Money & Control, the same Trifecta the U.S. has been using since roughly the 70’s or so?
– It is all so senseless. Everywhere.
> Truer Words would be hard to come by, in these cases!
The problem for Israel is that the destruction of Hamas can give rise to much more powerful and fanatical structures in the Muslim world. This in a context of continued decline in Israeli and Western military superiority. Stronger and stronger enemies who will want revenge.
“horror stories mount on both sides” – what universe are you living in?
Despite the rabble rousing pro-Hamas protestors we see on the news shows everyday, Biden/Blinken are going counter to the wishes of a majority of Americans as this recent reliable Harvard-Harris poll shows.
Propaganda used to fool the rubes.
Said the useful idiot.
But he’s right
The questions show that nypost has an agenda.
One could also ask:
“Should the Oslo accords be revived, giving both people a home?”
“Should the killing of children stop?”
“Is it allowed using famine as a weapon?”
“Should Israel and Hamas set all hostages free, even if Israel has more?”
… sometimes, the poll says more about the polling party.
If you were really intelligent, you would have followed the link to the NY Post story. There, you could have found the link to the actual poll and questions asked (there are something like 100+). And if you disagreed with the questions, well, I guess you could take it up with the Harvard/Harris folks.
Yes, I know that is more work that riffing off a few questions off the top of your head. But I’m feeling charitable today, so let me offer you a direct link to the poll when you can peruse to your hearts delight.
link to harvardharrispoll.com
As to your questions, I will answer them:
“Should the Oslo accords be revived, giving both people a home?” NO
“Should the killing of children stop?” WHERE POSSIBLE. THE FAULT IS ON HAMAS FOR HIDING BEHIND WOMAN AND CHILDREN.
“Is it allowed using famine as a weapon?” YES
“Should Israel and Hamas set all hostages free, even if Israel has more?” HAMAS HAS HOSTAGES. ISRAEL HAS PRISONERS WHO VIOLATED ISRAELI LAW. THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!.
Violated Israeli law? You’re kidding right
would you accept the same answers if the situation were reversed? Is Tel-Aviv fair game since Israeli military is headquartered among Tel-Aviv civilians, as an example?
In case you didn’t realize this. Now we know why Biden has come down on Israel so hard, far more than any other President. It’s not the minuscule Arab vote in MI, it’s his left-wing, woke, bleeding heart, super donors giving the marching orders.
It’s amazing how many people will put the lives of their loved ones ahead of the more pragmatic concern for the future of their country.
These people are effectively saying, ‘We don’t give a damn about Hamas. Let them attack again and kill more Israelis. Let them bomb our country daily. WE DON’T CARE! We just want our loved(s) home. Screw everything else.’
This is the epitome of selfishness!
When people are asked to choose between self-interest and altruism, self-interest wins every time (or close enough to every time that it doesn’t matter).
Pacifism doesn’t work if your enemy is entirely bent on your absolute destruction. Hamas declared long ago that its intent and purpose was killing every Israeli (Jewish or not, that’s why they killed Druze, Bedouins, guest workers from Asia, etc.) and driving the entire Jewish population out.
Working overtime I see
Yes, shocking that someone might want their daughter back instead of sacrificing her on the altar of Ben-Gvir, Smotrich, Weiss and Netanyahu.
“Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country”
–JFK
The push for war reviewed by Armstrong, with the list of the main actors.
link to armstrongeconomics.com?
Thanks for the link. Good article
They are all prisoners of the mind.
You want an explanation for the last tweet? Read “Heretic” by Ayaan Hirsi Ali and you’ll get an accurate, “inside” look at what reactionary, jihadi Islam is.
“War is the health of the State.” — Randolph Bourne
“War is nothing but a continuation of politics with the admixture of other means.”
― Carl von Clausewitz
Performing a legal real late term abortion on terrorists.Go Israel !!
Both the Palestinians and the Israelis will be better off with Hamas removed. There will only be more terror and killing as long as Hamas is in power. It’s not tolerable for the Israelis to leave Hamas in power, and Hamas makes the lives of the Palestinians awful. The only way to eliminate Hamas is by Israel going into Rafah. There was never any alternative to this once Hamas brutally murdered 1,200 Israelis on October 7th.
Well said.
People keep saying 1300 Israelis were killed. But what about the dozens of Thais, Nepalese and others killed in that terrorist attack?
Now imagine in March 1945 if the attack on Berlin/Rafah had been called off because of the millions of civilians in Berlin. So a permanent ceasefire, withdrawl of allied troops to the German/Gaza border and the Nazis/Hamas remain in power and keep all their weapons. Would that be OK? Because that is what the current ceasefire proposal is.
I wish some of the talking heads on TV would ask intelligent questions like this.
Great analogy! 30,000 with AKs and the Nazi Wehrmacht/Luftwaffen are like two twins – barely distinguisahble.
Both the Palestinians and the Israelis will be better off with racist, terrorist, supremacist, extremist and apartheid state of Israeli dismantled, Hamas is not the problem, it`s a direct consequence of this menstruous state actions that was created with violence and terrorism…this conflict did not start on October 7.
How will the Israelis be better off if the state of Israel is dismantled? The Jews will be expelled or liquidated and the non Jewish Israelis will face fanatics that will take away their current freedoms at best or kill them if they are queer, apostates or against the fanatics.
I’ve been to Gaza during the Intifada of the mid 90s and I wonder what Hamas did to my Fatah friends there. Did they flee, were they murdered or have they kept their heads down?
And when I travelled from my home in Cairo I passed through places in North Sinai that have seen thousands killed by Hamas and Islamic Jihad allies over the past decade. If Hamas isn’t destroyed once and for all then they will keep the insurgency in North Sinai festering.
But you westerners just keep up with your silly ignorant notions and keep chanting Queers For Palestine.
Hamas considers anybody who lives in Israel a “Jew” whether they are atheist, Bedouin, guest worker from Thailand, they will even justify killing Arab Muslim Israeli living peacefully in Israel. A current Justice of the Israel Supreme Court is Khalid Kabub, the first Muslim Justice elected in 2022–he would be executed by Hamas since he has simply participated peacefully in Israels political life and government.
You have much common sense. Many on the blog seem to lap up the propaganda of the MSM. The hilarious part of it is many have denounced the propaganda of the MSM when it comes to Trump, but are complete believers on this topic. A sad statement of the critical thinking skills of the American citizenry.
Israel wants everything for themselves.
It doesn’t matter whether Hamas exists as the pretext or not.
It’s a transparent ‘ethnic cleansing’ operation that is determined to murder and/or remove Gazans to America.
Not a very good “ethnic cleansing” since 2.1 million Arab Palestinians live in Israel, including two Arab parties with elected members of the Knesset. Don’t get me started about “genocide” against a “Palestinian” population that has increased from 2 million to 7 million over the last few decades.
I know the story.
Israel is the holy land.
Do you deny 750K Palestinians were expelled from nascent Israel?
Well…
Guess what Aaron…
That’s the West Bank situation for you – no Hamas there!
So Aaron, how is that working out so far?