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Brain Drain Flight is the Lasting Price Putin Pays for Invading Ukraine

Flight statistics from Rosstat predating the Ukraine invasion

Young professionals, often working in tech, have left the country after the Ukraine invasion: ‘I can’t live in a country that goes to war with its neighbors,’  reports the WSJ.

A mid-March survey by OK Russians, a nonprofit helping people leave the country, estimated that around 300,000 workers had departed since the war started in late February. While precise counts of the number of people leaving Russia aren’t available, some economists have reached similar conclusions about the scale of the outflow. Around 500,000 people left Russia in 2020, according to Rosstat, Russia’s statistics agency.

“The people who are either leaving or planning to leave are highly educated and generally young,” said Elina Ribakova, deputy chief economist at the Institute of International Finance. “This is your most productive part of the labor force that is disappearing.”

The European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, a top regional development bank, expects the Russian economy to contract 10% this year.

It added that people leaving Russia, coupled with reduced investment and trade, would result in lower long-term productivity growth. Spending on information technology is expected to drop sharply.

Those who study Russia said the pace at which people are departing hasn’t been seen since the 1917 revolution, when millions of the Russian nobility and educated upper-middle classes fled the emerging Communist state. Several million of Russians left after the demise of the Soviet Union in 1991, but did so over several years.

There are many anecdotes in the above article and that’s a non-paywalled link for those who wish to read more.

Putin wants the dissidents to leave, just not the highly skilled ones. Instead it’s the other way around.

Symbolic Sanctions

Symbolic sanctions are all the West has left given the EU will not ban Russian energy imports. Even if it did, supply chain re-routing will just send oil and gas to China at a cost to everyone.

For discussion, see Coal, Natural Gas, and Oil Sanctions Off the Table, What About Caviar and Vodka?

However, the brain drain is permanent. Most will of the highly educated workers who leave will not go back. And the pace of leaving due to Russian atrocities will escalate. 

How About a Big Welcome?

On March 27, I stated We Should Welcome and Invite More Ukrainians to the USA

President Biden announced the US would invite 100,000 Ukrainians to the US. Is that the best we can do?

People keep asking me what we should do. 

Here’s a positive idea that unlike sanctions will not backfire: We should invite displaced Ukrainians and Russian dissidents as well, and more of both.

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Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
A former combat vet who served in Afghanistan made the remark to me that the countries governmental leaders did not shape the culture and morals, but that the governmental leaders are shaped in the image of their countries culture and morals. This is an important consideration when deciding who to let into our county. They might not become more like us but we may become more like where they came from.
JRM
JRM
4 years ago
This story will be proven another Propaganda report eventually..
Just like the claim RUSSIA was going to use CHEMICAL weapons in Ukraine.
Which was fabricated by the WHITE HOUSE with the help of the LYING INTEL AGENCIES!!!!
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Putin’s War in Ukraine Shatters an Illusion in Russia
Sabrina Tavernise
Sun, April 10, 2022, 7:49 AM

The last time I was in Russia, the summer of 2015, I came face to face with a contradiction. What if a place was unfree, but also happy? How long could it stay that way?

Moscow had blossomed into a beautiful, European city, full of meticulously planted parks, bike lanes and parking spaces. Income for the average Russian had risen significantly over the course of the previous decade. At the same time, its political system was drifting ever closer to authoritarianism.

Fifteen years earlier, Boris Yeltsin had left power in shame, apologizing on national television “for having failed to justify the hopes of the people who believed that we would be able to make a leap from the gloomy and stagnant totalitarian past to a bright, prosperous and civilized future at just one go.”

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By the summer of 2015, his successor, President Vladimir Putin, had seemingly made Russia bright and prosperous. The political system he built was increasingly restrictive, but many had learned to live with it.

Many Russian liberals had gone to work for nonprofits and local governments, throwing themselves into community building — making their cities better places to live. A protest movement in 2011 and 2012 had failed, and people were looking for other ways to shape their country. Big politics were hopeless, the thinking went, but one could make a real difference in small acts.

There was another side to this bargain: Putin was seemingly constrained, as well. Political action may have been forbidden, but there was tolerance when it came to other things, for example religion, culture and many forms of expression. His own calculus for the system to run smoothly meant he had to make some room for society.

I lived in Russia for nine years, and began covering it for The New York Times in 2000, the year Putin was first elected. I spent lots of time telling people — in public writing and in my private life — that Russia might sometimes look bad but that it had a lot of wonderful qualities, too.

But in the weeks since Russia invaded Ukraine, I have felt like I am watching someone I love lose their mind. Many of the Russian liberals who had turned to “small acts” are feeling a sense of shock and horror, too, said Alexandra Arkhipova, a Russian anthropologist.

“I see lots of posts and conversations saying these small deeds, it was a big mistake,” she said. “People have a metaphor. They say, ‘We were trying to make some cosmetic changes to our faces, when the cancer was growing and growing in our stomachs.’”

I began to wonder whether Russia was always going to end up here, and we just failed to see it. So I called Yevgeniya Albats, a Russian journalist who had warned of the dangers of a KGB resurgence as early as the 1990s. Albats kept staring into the glare of the idea that at certain points in history, everything is at stake in political thought and action. She had long argued that any bargain with Putin was an illusion.

She said 2008 was a turning point, the moment Putin divorced the West, even invaded another country, and the West barely noticed.

“For Putin, it was a clear sign,” she said by telephone last month, “that he can do whatever he wants. And that’s exactly what he started doing. He behaved extremely rationally. He just realized that you don’t care.”

She was referring to Russia’s 2008 invasion of Georgia, which came shortly after President George W. Bush began to talk about NATO membership for Georgia and Ukraine. I covered that war, and spent the night with a Russian unit in the Georgian town of Gori and remember how invigorated the soldiers seemed, laughing, joking. The Soviet defeat in the Cold War had left a bitter sense of humiliation and loss. The invasion seemed to have renewed them.

“When Putin came, everything changed,” one officer told me. “We got some of our old strength back. People started to respect us again.”

Albats sounded tired but determined. The day we talked, she had traveled to a Russian penal colony to be present for the sentencing of her friend Alexei Navalny, Russia’s popular opposition leader, who used his allotted time to give a speech against the war.

“We now understand that when Putin decided to go into war in Ukraine, he had to get rid of Navalny,” she said, because he is the only one with the courage to resist.

Indeed, Navalny never accepted the turn away from direct confrontation and was building a nationwide opposition movement, leading people into the streets. He rejected the bargain and was willing to go to prison to defy it.

Arkhipova pointed out that his mantra, that the fight was not of good against evil but of good against neutral, was a direct challenge to the political passivity that Putin was demanding.

Many people I interviewed said the poisoning of Navalny in 2020 and the jailing of him in early 2021, after years of freedom, marked the end of the social contract and the beginning of Putin’s war. Like al-Qaida’s killing of Ahmed Shah Massoud on the eve of Sept. 11, 2001, Putin had to clear the field of opponents.

Greg Yudin, a professor of political philosophy at the Moscow School of Social and Economic Sciences, argues it was the political opposition’s success, which began to accelerate in 2018 and 2019, that tipped Putin toward war.

Yudin said it was inconceivable to Putin that there could be people inside Russia who wanted the best for their country yet were against him. So he looked for traitors and nursed an obsession with the idea that the West was after him.

“It’s a feature of this kind of regime,” Yudin said. “It recodes internal dissent into external threats.”

As for my 2015 question — how long can a place be unfree and also happy — perhaps we have lived into the answer. Many liberals have left. Many of those who have not left face fines or even jail. In the weeks after the invasion, police detained more than 15,000 people nationwide, according to OVD-Info, a human rights group, substantially higher than in the protests in 2012, when about 5,000 people were detained over 12 months, said Arkhipova, who studied that movement.

Albats has stayed and is angry at Russian liberals who have not.

The message, she said, is that “Russian liberals, they don’t have any tolerance for any problems.” She added, “They just run away.”

At the same time, she said, it’s an extremely hard choice. “Choosing between jail and not jail, I’d rather choose not jail,” Albats said, adding that she already faces thousands of dollars in fines just for reporting about the war.

Yudin said the choice was hard because the crackdown was complete, and because political opposition was now being pulverized.

“The best comparison is Germany in 1939,” he said. “What kind of democratic movement would you expect there? This is the same. People are basically right now trying to save their lives.”

Not everyone, of course. Lev Gudkov, a sociologist at Levada Center, a research group that tracks Russian public opinion, told me that about two-thirds of people nationwide approve of Putin’s actions in Ukraine.

“It is a less-educated, older part of the population, mainly living in rural areas or in small and medium-sized cities, where the population is poorer and more dependent on power,” he said, referring to those who rely on public funds like pensions and state jobs. “They also receive their whole construction of reality exclusively from television.”

He points out that “if you look at 20 years of our research since Putin came to power, then the peaks of support for Putin and his popularity have always coincided with military campaigns.”

One such campaign was the war in Chechnya, a particularly brutal subduing of a population that in 1999 was Putin’s signature act before being elected president the first time. We are starting to see some of the features of that war in Ukraine: bodies with hands bound, mass graves, tales of torture. In Chechnya, the result was the systematic elimination of anyone connected to the fight against Russia. It is too soon to say whether that was the intent in Bucha, Ukraine.

Now the bargain is broken, the illusion has shattered. And the country has been pitched into a new phase. But what is it? Yudin argues that Russia is moving out of authoritarianism — where political passivity and civic disengagement are key features — into totalitarianism, which relies on mass mobilization, terror and homogeneity of beliefs. He believes Putin is on the brink but may hesitate to make the shift.

“In a totalitarian system, you have to release free energy to start terror,” he said. Putin, he said, “is a control freak, used to micromanagement.”

However, if the Russian state starts to fail, either through a collapse of Russia’s economy or a complete military defeat in Ukraine, “unleashing terror will be the only way for him to save himself.”

Which is why the current situation is so dangerous, for Ukraine and for people in Russia opposed Putin.

“Putin is so convinced that he cannot afford to lose that he will escalate,” Yudin said. “He has staked everything on it.”

William Janes
William Janes
4 years ago
Please continue to post.
GodfreeRoberts
GodfreeRoberts
4 years ago
Immigration into Russia is booming, too. 2-3 million Ukrainians moved there after 2014.
If the Donbas federates with Russia, that will add another 3 million and bring them to about 150 million people.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  GodfreeRoberts

Involuntary immigration… surreal.

Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  GodfreeRoberts
And the point you wanted to make is? That there are stupid people everywhere? Hopefully some of these people who immigrated to Russia have been drafted and/or conscripted into the army to fight against Ukraine.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Well, most likely they are Russian-speaking Ukrainians who have been attacked by the Nazi battalions of the Ukraine armed forces since 2014, resulting in some 14,000 deaths – as verified by the UN. You know, the kind of people that NYT would label as “migrants” when in fact they are refugees fleeing the Ukrainian Nazis.
William Janes
William Janes
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
Do you realize how ridiculous your Nazi connotations are? It is more appropriate to refer to the Russian Invaders as Stalinists. Would you not agree now that you have been corrected ?
William Janes
William Janes
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Do you not mean “invade” Ukraine?
William Janes
William Janes
4 years ago
Reply to  GodfreeRoberts
Old Godfree at it again. Obviously Quora is not sufficient to spread your Chinese propaganda. Now you wish to spread Russian propaganda over here. You are a hopeless Marxist Leninist believer.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
The real issue is the cream-of-the-crop brain drain, that would be the high-level creative thinkers, aka innovators. They stand apart from the rest, teachers, engineers, accountants, doctors, code monkeys etc.
Well before WW2 started, German ‘creative thinkers’ were moving to safety. Most were Jewish. The lucky ones took up teaching positions at US universities and research labs. Most of the top/Ivy League schools had a few–but also had Jewish quotas (which should make you stop and think). The most famous example, Einstein, was head of the Kaiser Wilhelm Inst., and visiting the US, when Hitler came to power in 1933. He stayed in the US.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
It is easier to stay where you want to stay when you have a Nobel prize.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
4 years ago
Since some like to link to NY Times, I add one of my own. This goes back to the era of chaos under Boris Yeltsin (unconditionally supported by the US establishment) caused by no other than the brilliant economists at Harvard. How Harvard lost Russia:
Dominic69
Dominic69
4 years ago
So the US should experience a bran drain after its own wars of aggression??
I’m suspicious about this “Ukraine war brain drain”. Leaving your country is not easy and you need time to prepare, you need immigration visas, job offers, etc…this is not a route highly qualified and established professionals take easily or on whim.
I’m pretty sure Russia can survive without few code monkeys, socialites or TV personalities….
Read the Prime Minister of Russia massive investment program for the next decade to wean off the country from western technology dependence…an ambitious and truly highly gifted professional may want to stick around.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Dominic69
Nope. People talk about emigrating because of politics, but people actually emigrate for a better life, and the US is at the top of the list.
Dominic69
Dominic69
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
US is “at the top” for people coming from very poor countries definitely not from Europe. US income inequality is disastrous, we have certain aspects of a third world country.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Dominic69
That’s only if you’re unskilled.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Being “Skilled,” translated from Newspeak, of course meaning: Being closer to The Fed than those The Fed has to rob in order to make sure you are paid for your “skills” at collecting unearned rent, and living off the “portfolio” The Fed artificially pumps up for you.
“Realtors”, “Landlords”, patent trolls, “investors” and other leeching artifacts of the “System” of all-pervasive theft; have been outmaking those vaunted “techies”, even in supposedly “Silicon” Valley, for well over a decade by now, you know……
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Dominic69
C’mon comrade, you can makeup posts better than what you are doing!
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Good article, just out today:
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How Do We Deal With a Superpower Led by a War Criminal?
April 10, 2022, 6:00 a.m. ET
Thomas L. Friedman
It is hard to believe, but now impossible to deny, that the broad framework that kept much of the world stable and prospering the end of the Cold War has been seriously fractured by Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. In ways we hadn’t fully appreciated, a lot of that framework rested on the West’s ability to coexist with Putin as he played “bad boy,” testing the limits of the world order but never breaching them at scale.
since
But with Putin’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine, his indiscriminate crushing of its cities and mass killings of Ukrainian civilians, he went from “bad boy” to “war criminal.” And when the leader of Russia — a country that spans 11 time zones, with vast oil, gas and mineral resources and more nuclear warheads than anyone else — is a war criminal and must be henceforth treated as a pariah, the world as we’ve known it is profoundly changed. Nothing can work the same.
How does the world have an effective U.N. with a country led by a war criminal on the Security Council, who can veto every resolution? How does the world have any effective global initiative to combat climate change and not be able to collaborate with the biggest landmass country on the planet? How does the U.S. work closely with Russia on the Iran nuclear deal when we have no trust with, and barely communicate with, Moscow? How do we isolate and try to weaken a country so big and so powerful, knowing that it could be more dangerous if it disintegrates than if it’s strong? How do we feed and fuel the world at reasonable prices when a sanctioned Russia is one of the world’s biggest exporters of oil, wheat and fertilizer?
The answer is that we don’t know. Which is another way of saying that we are entering a period of geopolitical and geoeconomic uncertainty the likes of which we have not known since 1989 — and possibly 1939.
….
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
They aren’t a superpower in the way the US, China and others are. Russia is in fact a gas station masquerading as a country as McCain said. If Russia didn’t have nuclear weapons, Putin would have been overthrown in 2011 when protests surrounded the Kremlin. It will be hard to remove him but it will happen. Eventually he will slip up.
Dominic69
Dominic69
4 years ago
You do not nothing about Russia economy…please educate yourself before spouting nonsense.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Dominic69
Agreed! Is good in Russia! On holidays, all children get TWO potato! I think Americanski children never get even one potato. This because Americanski are stupid, and far from nature where potato grow. Soon they will know Russian peace world, and their children will know potato.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
But Americanski children have brown rice and bean sprouts and avocado toast!
Jack
Jack
4 years ago
Agree – Russia is a regional power with nuclear. Their military is mostly old Soviet kit.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
It’s not hard at all. We’ve been living with another country that has had 4 presidents in a row that were war criminals and has proved itself an absolute rogue to international law.
By the way, the military:civilian combat death ratio in Ukraine is the mildest of any war in recent times. It is 5:1. Recent wars were typically 1:1
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Your definition of US presidents being war criminals has no legal basis given it was defined by the international criminal court of which the US never agreed to be part of or be subject to. This is why it will be exceedingly impossible to convict Putin of war crimes because Russia is not subject to that same court’s legal proceedings and laws either. Neither is the Ukraine.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Actually the laws of war and international law is what is relevant here, not the court venue.
The Russian justification is based on §51 of the UN Charter, and is patterned on the US justification for the Iraq war, except that war was started on the basis of imminent attack by WMD, which later turned out to be a deliberate falsehood. In Russia’s case, it is based on collective security (Russian and the LDNR), just as is NATO’s. Imminent danger is based on the fact that the Ukraine has been shelling the LDNR for 8 years, refused to stop Feb 23 when Russia suggested a ceasefire after moving in peace-keepers, and the 100K Ukrainian troops massed on the line of contact for a blitzkrieg — a fact for which Russia has found documentation. Then there is the WMD threat (biological labs & Zelenskiy’s posturing with nuclear weapons 19 Feb in Munich). Further justification is based on punitive clauses, R2P, based on many many dossiers of evidence of war crimes by Ukrainian Nazis (which are incorporated in the armed forces, kind of like having a KKK brigade in the US Army).
Putin is a lawyer and will not cross legal boundaries. The US has engaged in aggression (the root and worst of all war crimes) in a string of attacks on sovereign nations, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, not to mention the drone attacks on 37 countries.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
How Do We Deal With a Superpower Led by a War Criminal?”
All superpowers are led by “War Criminals.” Except for “our” Superpower. After all: The Man on My TeeVee says that the Dear Leaders of my superpower, are the ones whose arbitrarily made up “definition” of “war criminal” is somehow bestesters than all the other definitions of “war criminal.”
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Hopefully, some have left with copies of whatever technologies they were working on. Save us the trouble of having our spies ferret out the info.
———-
As Russia sees tech brain drain, other nations hope to gain
The Associated Press
Thursday, March 31, 2022 11:44AM EDT
VILNIUS, LITHUANIA — Russia’s tech workers are looking for safer and more secure professional pastures.
By one estimate, up to 70,000 computer specialists, spooked by a sudden frost in the business and political climate, have bolted the country since Russia invaded Ukraine five weeks ago. Many more are expected to follow.
For some countries, Russia’s loss is being seen as their potential gain and an opportunity to bring fresh expertise to their own high-tech industries.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has noticed the brain drain even in the throes of a war that, according to the U.N. refugee agency, has caused more than 4 million people to flee Ukraine and displaced millions more within the country.
This week, Putin reacted to the exodus of tech professionals by approving legislation to eliminate income taxes between now and 2024 for individuals who work for information technology companies.
….
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Yeah sure ….20 years ago people wanted to move to prosperous democratic countries …..those countries though are slowly but surely disappearing….take off yer fn blinkers if you think it ain t so !
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
You live in Brussels and are Russian so you must be one of those Russians who left. Have you thought of going back?
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
absofnlutely …and are you going back to where you belong after all ?
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
You first.
Dutchguy
Dutchguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Doug78 How long do you go on with your childish talk?
You shame yourself with this talk
And stop judging other and other countries by your own standards; that’s the reason why a fast growing part of the world is hating Americans; see what damage and destruction your worldview has caused in the last 70 years. The rule based world order with its foundation based on human rights, freedoms, and democracy is sadly coming to an end in the next 10 years and we see a rise of powerbased rulers. Thats also the reason why you see growing fragmentation in the geopolitical world, and not there alone; also intern. The West may look like it’s powerfull, but their belief in the principles of the founding fathers and other guiding principles is fading fast; look at your own kids, if you have them. What culture do they present? Are the grown in your fathers tradition or are they breaking away? Maybe civil war can be on the corner….so i don’t care much about Russia; it’s our politicians who are endangering our lives, especially with build back better, with includs total destruction first
You may disagree with me; fine come to the Netherlands and i will show you how old Europe, christianity, humanism and other founding principles are crumbling before our eyes.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels

Comrade Putin knows you are a traitor to the Russian peoples! No turnip for you, comrade!

ccichocki
ccichocki
4 years ago
Love this post Mish. Appreciate the balance. Reminded why I still follow after a dozen years.
thimk
thimk
4 years ago
Biden will let them in along as they come in from Mexico . ya get a free cell phone too. so i hear .
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
4 years ago
I have worked with many young professionals from Russia, and all of them escaped the abject economic conditions under the “freedom” of Boris Yeltsin. That would be prior to 1997. I have yet to run into a Putin refugee, so that’s my personal stat.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
I’ve worked with a few tech guy Russians. They always looked miserable and hung over.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
At least they were competent programmers and manager, unlike the last Americans still employed by the tech sector.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Know how I know you don’t know anything about the American tech sector?
Try again, boomer.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
“I have yet to run into a Putin refugee, so that’s my personal stat”
Pre-Ukraine, Russia’s military adventures under Putin, largely didn’t escalate beyond what the average Russian would recognize was any more than the “special military operations” they seem to be named in Russian dialects of Newspeak.
Once you recognize you live in a country engaged in an actual war, things get a lot personally riskier and less attractive, for all those who have no particular interest in whatever “they” are supposedly “fighting for.” May as well get out, if they can.
Like the millions of Ukrainians who have left, most will return once things calm down, though. Other than the war nonsense Russia, like Ukraine, is a country with more inherent upside for natives, than the decaying carcasses which are largely the ones currently “wealthier” than them has.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
  • It’s unclear from the data presented that this trend is new since 22022022, it seems the trend is long-established.
    What exactly highly skilled means is subject to interpretation.
  • I do know emigrés from Russia & Belorussia, working for outfits such as Booking.com or tomtom.com
  • On the other hand, there are a lot of Canadians, Brits, Indians, etc., on the subway every day, most also working for banks or in the tech sector. The Tech sector is a favorite because the skills often don’t require language proficiency, and yes, most are young professionals.
  • Where I work (Netherlands), we also have IT professionals & academics coming in from Greece, Macedonia, Croatia, Serbia, Poland, Belorussia, and even Russia.
  • If you look at demographics in Estland, Latvia, Lithuania, as well as Ukraine, you see an even more pronounced brain drain of young professionals, heading West.
My conclusion: It’s not just Putin or politics.
In my youth, I saw a similar phenomenon with many foreign exchange students from 3rd world countries settling down in the West instead of returning to the countries that sponsored them, at great cost.
goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
Sure bring them here. Just make sure they have been jabbed like the rest of us…lol
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
“Here’s a positive idea that unlike sanctions will not backfire: We should invite displaced Ukrainians and Russian dissidents as well, and more of both.”
That has been going on since the 1917 revolution and we have benefited greatly with this one hundred year emigration of Russia’s brightest. It is a long-term solution but in the short and medium term doing nothing except this is counterproductive. Active measures are needed.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago

Russia was already a craphole. Anybody that can leave, has.

Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
I am very doubful about this. This was already the same after USSR fall. This did not stop Russia to be the best in Maths (with France) or to produce the best weapons. I am also very sceptical about the notion of “highly skilled”; I have just to compare what were the best “specialists” in TV shows in the 60s or 70s, and what they are now.
Paradox1
Paradox1
4 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Please give examples of Russian “best” weapons. The stuff we see in Ukraine is old, not well maintained, and poorly operated. Are they holding back all these “best” weapons for future war with NATO or China?
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
Reply to  Paradox1
Hypersonic missiles.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
In the hierarchy of new “hypersonic” weapons at the bottom are weapons like the Russian Kinzhal which is just a Short Range Ballistic Missile modified to remain in the atmosphere than going outside it. The Zircon is better but it is just a modified anti-ship missile with a short range and low payload but it is fast. Neither one is a scramjet which would be the fastest and have the longest range. The US just completed successfully its second test of a system that uses them. The Kinzhal didn’t impress anyone in Ukraine when they used it. A much cheaper cruise missile would have done the job as well. The Zircon is interesting granted but the payload and range is a problem. Generally Russia likes its Wunderwaffe but doesn’t have the resources human and financial to make enough of them before the US surpasses them in that area.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
You’re so simple minded, impressed by a word that you know next to nothing about. Here’s some reading:
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US tested hypersonic missile in mid-March but kept it quiet to avoid escalating tensions with Russia
By Oren Liebermann, CNN
Updated 10:56 PM ET, Mon April 4, 2022
(CNN)The US successfully tested a hypersonic missile in mid-March but kept it quiet for two weeks to avoid escalating tensions with Russia as President Joe Biden was about to travel to Europe, according to a defense official familiar with the matter.
The Hypersonic Air-breathing Weapon Concept (HAWC) was launched from a B-52 bomber off the west coast, the official said, in the first successful test of the Lockheed Martin version of the system. A booster engine accelerated the missile to high speed, at which point the air-breathing scramjet engine ignited and propelled the missile at hypersonic speeds of Mach 5 and above.
The official offered scant details of the missile test, only noting the missile flew above 65,000 feet and for more than 300 miles. But even at the lower end of hypersonic range — about 3,800 miles per hour — a flight of 300 miles is less than 5 minutes.
The test came days after Russia says it used its own hypersonic missile during its invasion of Ukraine, claiming it targeted an ammunition warehouse in western Ukraine.
US officials downplayed the significance of the Russian use of their hypersonic Kinzhal missile. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said he did not view it as “some sort of game changer” after the Russians announced the missile launch. Days later, Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said it was “hard to know what exactly the justification” was for the launch, since it targeted a stationary storage facility.
“That’s a pretty significant sledgehammer to take out a target like that,” Kirby said at the time.
The Kinzhal missile is simply an air-launched version of the Russian Iskander short-range ballistic missile. In other words, it is a variation of an established technology as opposed to a revolution in hypersonic weaponry. The US test was of a more sophisticated and difficult air-breathing scramjet engine. The HAWC missile also has no warhead, instead relying on its kinetic energy to destroy the target.
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Dominic69
Dominic69
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Time for you to learn something.
The Russians already have an air breathing hypersonic missile in service, the 3M22 Zircon.
The US still have issues with two fundamental challenges with hypersonic missiles.
1) Flame front control for air breathing engines
2) Communication through the plasma surrounding the warhead.
Russia solved both, I’m sure the US will catch up.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Dominic69
It’s not in service yet but planned for this year. The tests went well though. Due to the cost they probably can’t build many and with sanctions on it will be even harder.
Dominic69
Dominic69
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Zircon is unaffected by sanctions, Russia will never run out of Rubles. the concept of “affordability” when it comes to countries as large and rich in resources such as US and Russia is meaningless.
The US did not “outspent” the Soviet Union in the 1980s, the country was already on its way to collapse since the late 70s.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Dominic69
Low value inputs like oil, gas and minerals have little influence on high-tech gear price. Having the right mix of industry does and Russia’s investment Rubles have gone to the extractive industries rather than the high-tech sector leaving Russia weak in that point as opposed to China which also has many natural resources but who concentrated on tech and we see the results today. Paying your workers in Rubles is advantageous for 20th Century industries but is much less so in the 21st Century because those with the highly-specialised skills can work wherever they wish and they do.
The old Soviet Union fell apart because people there didn’t believe in the bull they had been fed for decades. It fell of its own weight as soon as the country’s leaders said and showed that they would no longer use the whip to keep people in line. It took the KGB ten years to get back into power but they did with Putin, the ex-KGB agent who progressively eliminated liberties one after the other and now with the Ukraine war has the excuse to put the Russian people back under the whip a la Stalin.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Pi$$ing matches always come down to how reliable is the source. CNN has very low credibility as a mouthpiece for the CIA.
Dominic69
Dominic69
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I agree….the fact that they totally disregarded the Zircon which is already in service says it all.
Paradox1
Paradox1
4 years ago
Reply to  Dominic69
Two questions:
1. Is there confirmed evidence of Zircon use in Ukraine? If so, where/ when?
2. Didn’t SDI successfully outspend USSR into a weakened posture? Given GDP and military budget disparity between Russia and the NATO countries would you bet on Putin to win a spending battle now?
Dominic69
Dominic69
4 years ago
Reply to  Paradox1
Zircon has not been used in Ukraine.
“Spending” is a tricky subject when it comes to sovereign country, especially as large and as rich in every possible natural resources as Russia….Russia will never run out of Rubles just as the US will never run out of Dollars. US or Russia will never be bankrupt in the sense people usually give to the word.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Dominic69
RUssia can’t even feeed it’s population. See the riots in the stores just to get a bag of sugar. Ha!
hhabana
hhabana
4 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Young people that just look at their phones all day and social media? Let ’em leave.
You better believe that if something happens here, many of the immigrants would go back to their home countries if untouched. I have heard of people getting their social security checks and leaving to go back to Eastern Europe. I know one guy that drives a truck, but goes back to Eastern Europe to live chunks of the year. The US is not such a great place to live. Beautiful nature for sure, but crummy governments, crazy people and too much crime.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
As for the staying in a country that invades its neighbors, why didn’t these people say this when Russia invaded Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea or Syria ? What happened then ? These people simply want to leave Russia now because sanctions are working and choking off the average citizen. Their desire to leave has nothing to do with invading its neighbors. It is because the Russian economy is finished for them.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
They see the train wreck coming.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
A train wreck we can handle. Eventually I think Putin fires a nuclear weapon just before he dies of whatever illness he has. Our best hope is that he dies in his sleep.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
He wants to do it. He has made it clear his love of nuclear blackmail.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Our best hope is Biden dies in a diaper.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Odd kink ya got there…
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Now, switch out Russia for the USA. Is there really a difference? There is a reason why I say to maintain bank/investment accounts in at least two countries, and ideally a third.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
It is silly to trust any Russian dissident if they said nothing for 2 decades under Putin. They all should have the courage to overthrow their own government and change Russia for the better. If their answer is to leave Russia, it means they they will never fight for what they believe in.
ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
4 years ago
MIlton Friedman asserted that you cannot have open borders and a welfare system. You must choose.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
…..under the undeniable, developing and worsening global circumstances …..common sense and mere surviving behaviour will turn out to be more valuable than so called ‘brains ‘ ….Civilization is at the end of its fn wits , unless you think printed money and sending arms to Ukraine will save our asses !
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Da comrade! Russian Peace shall prevail over the globe!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
I think you’ll find ‘brains’ always come out on top. ‘Brains’ discern and understand patterns–the definition of intelligence. That is they figure out things that are not easily understood by the masses, and what needs to be done to avoid possible problems. Just as in Germany between the wars, the real brains left Russia before SHTF.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
“I think you’ll find ‘brains’ always come out on top.”
Central banking has, so far, solved that “problem….”
Even that “solution” won’t be permanent, though. As you point out, eventually the slightly more intelligent among those currently sufficiently indoctrinated to remain pliantly clueless and bent over, will discern that particular pattern. But, going by the experience of The West, it may take quite some time.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Rest assured the BIden Administration will NOT give priority to educated white Russians–they are likely to vote Republican, as do most people who have seen communism up close.
Meanwhile, the Biden Administration welcomes millions of poorly educated people over the southern border, on the theory they are more likely to vote Democrat.
Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Those with money and connections get here easily. Most of the poor folks from the south cannot pay the freight.
jhrodd
jhrodd
4 years ago
Reply to  Jackula
I don’t expect we’ll see too many of them in my County. The rental vacancy rate is 0.00 and the average home price is $1.5M
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Jackula
Sorry, but those from the south are largely uneducated and low-skilled. Brains gets you educated, and brings money and connections. The future of the US (And any country) hinges entirely on its innovators, not unskilled labor in the coming age of robots.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
They will need to be citizens first before they can vote (officially).
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
Let me think about that…. Why is the Democrap party so stuck on immigration from the 3rd world? Whoever invented ‘dreamers’ created the biggest con of the American people of all time.
If you want to see hypocrisy at work… How many white South Africans have been granted political assylum by the US?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
“Whoever invented ‘dreamers’ created the biggest con of the American people of all time.”
It was all politics.

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