Let’s dive into details of the latest YouGov/CBS News poll on immigration, policy and the US economy.
CBS News reports CBS News poll finds Trump starts on positive note as most approve of transition handling
As was the case with voters throughout the campaign, most Americans would, in principle, approve of a new mass deportation program.
If the Trump administration does start a mass deportation program, most of the public would have it carried out by law enforcement or current immigration agencies — most would not have the U.S. military do it.
If Trump really does decide to go after “all” illegal immigrants, the economy will suffer and he will regret it.
Excited About Trump
Overall, Republicans today are more excited about what Trump will do as president now than they were in 2016 when he was first elected.
Exhaustion to Oppose Trump Sets In
Democrats say they feel more scared about what Trump might do than they did in 2016, and a large majority of Democrats think as president he will threaten their rights and freedoms. But at the same time, there seems to be a sense of exhaustion, as fewer than half of Democrats feel motivated to oppose Trump right now.
Food and Grocery Prices
This one is clear. Optimism is totally unwarranted.
Tariffs will increase prices and deportations may cause shortages of farm workers.
Confirmation Hearings
This one is interesting and surprising to me.
Not even Republicans support a blanket approval of Trump’s cabinet picks.
Tariffs
More tariffs were coming no matter who won. This is the most protectionist the nation has been since the Great Depression.
I am surprised that 48 percent are thinking clearly.
Republicans used to be the free trade advicates. What a reversal.
Elections and Democracy
This is another interesting result.
Not even a majority of Republicans feel secure.
Looking ahead, each side fears the other.
Surprise, Surprise
There are many more questions in the poll for inquiring minds, especially on cabinet picks. But many of those were “I don’t know enough”, a very reasonable answer.
I was surprised by many of the answers. How about you?
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Trump’s Conflicting Economic Agenda and Goals Are Impossible
The bottom line is easy to state: Trump’s Conflicting Economic Agenda and Goals Are Impossible
Trump promises to increase exports, increase tariffs, reduce the trade deficit, reduce the fiscal deficit, reduce inflation, reduce taxes, and increase growth.
Trump simultaneously needs a very weak and a very strong dollar.
Believe what you want but It’s logically impossible. And Trump is set to expand the deficit, not reduce it.
Republicans DO support a blanket approval of Trump’s picks, it’s just that they believe that the GOP senators will give Trump the rubber stamp he wants.
Trump’s economics make no sense. I voted for him to end the Ukraine mess and protect the border. However, drill baby drill would ruin the oil companies if oil dropped to 35/barrel and tariffs mean higher prices and less economic activity. My guess is government reduction will go the way of Reagan’s boosts. The only president in recent memory who reduced government was Bill Clinton.
“If Trump really does decide to go after “all” illegal immigrants, the economy will suffer and he will regret it.”
Given that the economy is going down anyway, it’s arguably the best time to do it; her will regret not doing it, because the polls will reflect the economic pain anyway.
There is an easy way to get it to 99% for deportation. Sponsorship. You want illegal aliens fine. You have to sponsor one, meaning housing, food, medical, legal.
From there, move on to sponsorship for all non essential services. Those will also decline by 99%. I don’t like having to fund some of PBS for example but if you want it, knock yourself out.
That invites corruption.
“Looking ahead, each side fears the other.”
People fear the World Economic Forum (WEF) and “Deep State”, not each other.
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“People fear the World Economic Forum (WEF) and “Deep State”
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Hence why they keep cheering for ever more powerful and unchecked state every chance they get. As well as for bailing out and “saving the system” the WEF favors. Every.Chance.They.Get.
Wouldn’t be #DumbAge if it wasn’t for dumb.
CBS? Never heard of them.
Never before in America’s history have we re-elected a President who was called the worst President in US history, according to a poll of more than 100 professional political historians. I’m a Republican and I’ve known Trump for over 60 years. I went to college with him. He’s changed…he’s gotten worse, but he was bad in the 1960s. And he’s surrounding himself with people who he thinks will be loyal to him. A lot of them want the job. They’ve forgotten that Trump turned on his cabinet appointees and got rid of a lot of them. Some of those people were were prominent and smart. Trump praised all the generals who worked for him but he ended up firing them all and trashing their reputations. Just before the election, they took the unusual step of warning America about Trump. They said he was unfit to be President, that he was a fascist and a damaged human being. They were right. I’m a registered Republican, but Trump is no Republican. Trump is a damaged person, a sociopath, a liar, a tax cheat, and his need to monetize the Presidency, and earn money from the office, is repugnant to me. His tariffs and threats against people who don’t share his warped view of reality, his promises to put Harris and Biden on trial….no serious Republican should support that. If there was a real case against Biden, it would have been brought by impeachment. I waited for it but it never happened. As for Harris, not the best Presidential candidate I ever saw but she never got convicted of bank fraud, tax fraud, payoffs, income tax evasion…and I’m pretty sure she never grabbed anybody by the youknowwhat. And there’s absolutely no reason to put her on trial. Her crime was complaining about Trump. But he whipped her in the election. He got 49.9% of the vote. It was no landslide, but Trump did better than he should have. Looking at some of his cabinet picks….we’re in for a rough 4 years. I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t finish his term. Mitch McConnell, who was the leader of Republicans in the Senate said Trump was “stupid” and “despicable”. I agree with Mitch. Unfortunately, he didn’t vote to get rid of Trump when he had the chance after 2 impeachments. I have no optimism about the 2nd Trump term. I think it will be more chaotic than his first term. I don’t think group therapy is going to fix the problem of a Trump Presidency.
What if people realized no one cares about their opinions?
It’s fine. I’ll survive even if you don’t like what I have to say. Trump is a classic psychopath but his supporters don’t agree. I’m OK with that. As a registered Republican who is active in New Hampshire, I’m used to people who don’t agree with me. But that doesn’t make me wrong. If you like Trump, this is what you voted for: Payoffs to women to keep quiet about sex; income tax fraud over 30 felony counts, fraudulent business records over 30 felony counts; Slander…he lost 2 cases to one woman and the judgements were over $80 million; Defrauding students at Trump University…$25,000,000; Tax-Free foundation fraud….his foundation was shut down and he paid a fine….I don’t remember how much; Bank fraud….the judgement was over $400,000,000. This is the first time we’ve elected a convicted criminal to the Presidency…I don’t see how this ends well. The average IQ in this country is 98.
Maybe if the Republicans and Democrats hadnt run up the massive debt and endless deficit spending and caused ridiculous housing prices with interest rate manipulation, we wouldnt have characters like Trump or Biden getting elected, but no, they choose to sell out the country for their own self interests. Why arent the Republicans announcing big spending cuts and balancing the budget? Probably because Trump is just another swamper who wont oppose their debt mongering.
Voters allowed Republicans to cut taxes without cutting spending. They allowed Reagan to do it, Bush II to do it, and Trump to do it. Trump says he’ll do it again, and people voted overwhelmingly for it. Don’t blame the government, it reflects the will of primarily “conservative” voters.
A lot of the voters are unaware of our debt extent or naively dont think it will have serious repurcussions for them, and seemingly arent too worried about their decendents either. But its the politicians job to be informed and tell people the hard truth, but be humble and optimistic, thats what real leadership is, and they have been doing the opposite by not owning up to the problem, and putting the nation at high risk, so govt is much to blame I think
“Why arent the Republicans announcing big spending cuts and balancing the budget?”
Because noone in any position of neither wealth nor power in the entire United States by now, has the brains nor competence to even feed themselves, unless the totalitarian state hands them unearned loot stolen from less useless people. Besides, balancing something as big as the Federal government, would require counting more fingers than the imbeciles are born with. Not to mention more braincells.
Biden is the worst president in US history – far many more people have called him that.
And Trump is currently the second worst. Obama third. Bush 4th. Then Clinton, Bush, Reagan…. In some months, Trump will again be tops. Even he can be tops at something…..
TDS since college? Whoa.
You are right Jeff. But it doesn’t matter. Trump is a reflection of failed Republican policies. The folks who voted in Trump, twice, the MAGA crowd, aren’t traditional Republicans. Trump created millions of new Republicans, people who never much cared about voting, and they are the party now. As Mish noted, Republicans now oppose free trade. Free trade caused the gutting of US manufacturing and millions of Americans in the heartland lost an opportunity for a decent blue collar living. Republicans crushed labor unions, and again, millions of Americans lost an opportunity for a decent blue collar living. Republicans actively supported monopolies allowing inflationary effects and stratification of society. Republicans cut revenues without cutting expenditures causing the deficit to explode over generations, putting Americans in fear for the future. Democrats could have won these people over, but were too busy fighting for feminism and trans rights. Leaving Trump as their Messiah. Until this country gets real about creating a society of real opportunity for good folks, we’ll get mini-Mussolinis for President.
You are likely correct. What are the alternatives? I didn’t want a giggling girl dealing with Putin, open borders and handouts. Trump and Musk are adults, although neither should run for Pope.
You can’t fix stupid.
Behind the Curtain: Trump’s liberal cabinethttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/behind-the-curtain-trump-s-liberal-cabinet/ar-AA1uCMxt
I’m sensing a lot of ‘lalalalala I can’t heeear you!’ from the room.
Came from NJ where all construction workers beside plumbers, electricians and HVAC where all Hispanic. I suppose most illegal. Now I live in Florida and the same here. Restaurants, landscapers, maintenance workers…all Spanish speakers. They work hard and do a good job for the most part. I think Trump is well aware of this but he’s jawboning to keep more from coming. Criminals and gangs got to go for sure and anyone not contributing.
Joe you are one of few who seems to get it.
That does not mean uncontrolled immigration – the Biden waves from Venezuela were particularly bad
You were calling him TDS type 2 last week.
About a decade ago, when ZeroHedge had better content, there were discussions where trades people chimed in. They said, they couldn’t compete with 10$/h untaxed Mexican workers, who sent it back to Mexico. So they saw no future in trades.
It’s a long term project by the “elites”.
Illegal workers are a crap shoot – sometimes you luck out but much of the time you get slapshod work. Unfortunately it’s gotten so bad that if I hire an ‘American I’m almost certain to be paying paying a premium to a middleman whose running a crew of illegals. Ask a Hispanic if they know how to do something and they say yes even if they dont know a damn thing. I’ve had a bunch of work done that I wound up having to unf$%k myself. I once contracted a guy to some yard work…he was cutting the grass with a weedwhacker. People keep putting across this idea that they are the ‘noble poor’ the truth is quite different.
We won’t need any more construction after we deport all of them.
Btw, they may work hard, but quality of work is substandard. I’d consult a structural engineer before buying or renting any new construction in the tri-state area.
…and do they vote?
My opinion is that Hispanics not only work hard but they are very honest. I’ve dealt with them and found this to be true. Good people!
I walked into a bookstore and asked the clerk if she had the book Trump wrote about deporting illegals. She looked at me and said get the F— out of here and don’t come back. I replied yes that’s it do you have it in stock?
That’s a good one. I’ll have to tell that joke to my wife.
The credibility of CBS News demands we increase the percent from 57% to 77%.
We should deport the Mexicans to Haiti. That’ll teach them.
Sadly,bad data are worse than no data.
Just a reminder, Yougov is the Dem pollster that said Hillary would beat Trump by more than four points, and CBS is one of the last bastions of love for our President Biden who is known across the globe as mentally incapacitated.
And, the recent polls were likewise flat out wrong on their predictions of elections.
It’s all just cover the the fact US is the only developed country that extends mail in, drop off ballots for weeks without a government issued id.
The author needs to consider the facts.
Just this weekend was parked at a spot I go to just to relax.
White suburban pulls up next to me.
on the sides are painted in Black.
“Two angels Mom inside”
“Trump Won”
“Deport them all”
For the people who stepped out of that vehicle it is real personal.
It is not about economics for many in this Nation.
There is more to Life then Mammon.
Dollars are the god of Americans…
Build factories in OTHER countries, give them jobs there. I’m fine with that. No reason the whole world needs to cram in here in the US, the traffic is a nightmare, housing is out of control. Last thing we need is millions more.
If you have so much as a parking ticket and are here illegally, off you go! The asylum nonsense has to be swept away too. Let more hard working and educated Europeans come in legally. The US has enough uneducated and illiterate people.
Reverse the anchor baby loophole retroactive thirty years.
The 14th amendment to the Constitution says that anyone born in the US is an American citizen, with all the rights and privileges of same.
I’m good with locking up anyone with a parking or speeding ticket, including Americans. All these people are acting illegally; to hell with ’em
Parking tickets are civil offenses, so no, you can’t lock up Americans for a civil offense. You can of course take their money, double, triple fines etc. which is a problem in and of itself. But if you are here illegally and commit any crimes or civil offenses, off you go. Zero tolerance. Come here legally and you too can get raped by municipalities for parking violations without getting the boot.
Asylum policies are a part of two global treaties signed in the ’50’s and ’60’s. Basically, it is the law of the land that anyone who shows up and claims asylum must be given a court hearing as to the validity of the claim. Those laws will need to be rescinded by Congress.
Europeans don’t want to be Americans. They aren’t jealous of America they think we are primitive, and fat with bad food.
The Math on Mass Deportation Doesn’t Add Up
Flawed calculations and overlooked benefits show why Trump’s immigration plan would be a fiscal disaster for America.
https://reason.com/2024/11/24/the-math-on-mass-deportation-doesnt-add-up/
lol fiscal disaster? that’s not what your article even says – wait a few decades, and it’ll all work out, and in the meantime, don’t dare increase the costs for companies hiring below-market value for labor. All the tax revenue from illegals? – hate to say it out loud, those employers are taking taxes out of their pay but are pocketing those “taxes”.
So businesses all across America are committing massive tax fraud? Where are all the calls for an increase in IRS personnel to take down these cheats? Better or worse than crossing a border to actually work?
You can’t stop illegal immigration as much as people think building a wall will do so (it won’t because of ladders). If you want to stop illegal immigration, end the motivation. Put employers in prison. Guaranteed that illegals will voluntarily head home when they get hungry. But no one would dare call for that.
More Libertarian nonsense.
I voted Libertarian several times and still agree with much of what they have to say but their ideas have been tried on free trade and immigration and they’ve failed.
I went through a similar personal evolution.
If you look carefully at the history of libertarianism, much of its intellectual bases were developed and funded by the National Association of Manufacturers in the 1950s and ’60s. It was an attempt to lay an intellectual framework that opposed the progressive policies of the country coming out of the Great Depression and WWII. So, intellectually, it is heavily skewed towards the desires of the very wealthy shareholder class. An example is Obamacare. Libertarians hate Obamacare because it is a government program. But, it increases the liberty of Americans by allowing them ability of have healthcare without being required to work for the wealthy shareholding class. Whose liberty is more important?
The Libertarian party has certainly has it’s fair share of charlatans, of the sort of nature you’re describing.
But intellectually, Libertarianism is, economically, Rothbardianism. Anarcho-Capitalism. Which, again, is Anarchism. Anarchism just sounded scary to the not-so-bright back then. And still does, it seems. So: A more suitable Newspeakian brand was sought, and Libertarian was settled on.
The US Founders had already given the only alternative to anarchism; so-called minarchism; the best shot it could ever hope to have. And, as Mises had demonstrated decades prior: It still could do nothing but fail. Which had become rather obvious by the 50s& 60s (And think, those were the last of the golden years for America. Since then, it has been nothing but the straight down freefall into the fully totalitarian, worse than even most full on communist states, hellhole we’re currently stuck in…).
But alas: The same class of simpletons who failed to learn from the fall of The Founders’ America backthen, are obviously still too dense to even begin to get it. Still insisting on falling all over themselves blindly fearing any and every; all of them invariably imaginary as always; hobgoblin that any imbecile Dear Leader pulls out of his empty cranium to scare them with.
As for Obamacare: Health care has never been more expensive in America… Nor worse. Nor less universally available.
Never before has a smaller share of total health spend, gone to actual doctors, nurses and others providing care. AND: That trend is exactly mirrored in EVERY other so-called “socialized medicine” backwater as well. “We” are probably rendering care at about 20-30% of the efficiency of the commies in China now. And, just as in every other area, the gap is only ever widening. Even faster post Obamacare than prior. Now what a surprise… In a Libertarian/anarchistic/free society, those Chinese, along with anyone else, would be fully free to offer care here as well. What do you reckon that would do to costs and availability of care?
Etc., etc….
Know what’s interesting? The progressive side says,”it was the anti-incumbent” election season for the US and Western Europe.
What really happened in the past 4 years is MASSIVE immigration that’s straining every aspect of western culture, and that’s what people are getting tired of.
Western Europe are a few years further along than the US from this globalist, progressive Culture War that would make the Chinese giddy, but to be clear, this level of migration is not at all beneficial to the host country – the US included.
As someone pointed out, a lot of undocumented workers are in the trades, construction, carpentry, sheetrocking, landscaping….and we have little idea how many are actually here. It could be 10 million, it could be 30 million…there’s no way to know. Officialdom just tosses out numbers. Mostly they’re not eligible for much of anything here, but they were given some welfare benefits and work permission. Many were housed somehow. There’s resentment about it but most of them work.
Most of them also put strain of the infrastructure too – they are not invisible pixies who come out at night and magically make all the jobs get done and costs go away.
Let Trump do whatever he wants. It’s good that folks are tired of opposing him. It’s a great experiment! We will find out what works and what doesn’t. I am looking forward to seeing how it all works out.
Bring on the Golden Age!
Of course, I will continue to focus most of my time and effort on doing what is necessary to constantly improve my life. Which is far more impactful than anything that any government will ever do for me. Trump may come through for us, but we would be fools to rely on that, when we can already do so much for ourselves every single day.
Nobody cares what you will do, you are a crushing bore.
At this point it is dawning on more and more people that importing unskilled illiterate third worlders does not only not add any value, it is a net detriment to the welfare of the country in multiple ways. Moreover you have a severe risk of reaching a critical mass where there’s cultural overrun in some places. You look at certain places in LA and you’d think you’re in Tijuana. As it is, 2nd generation Hispanic kids in the US are convinced that they are ‘indigenous’ and are disappointed when they find out their ancestry is more European than anything. Simply crazy.
Uh, what are you doing hanging out in Tijuana?
They need a history lesson. The tribes native to what now constitutes the usa were not Azteca.
Deport all illegals immediately!
Too many in too short a time. Legal immigration takes priority in all cases. Some people will just have to cut their own grass or hire a legal to do it. This last surge has been a net negative financially and socially. If our sole criterion is cost then we will disappear as have dozens of short-lived commercial empires in the past.
Or maybe get their kids off their video games to cut the grass. Those are things I did for free when I was a kid or I didn’t get fed.
Deregulation can be the biggest windfall since fracking.
It will be like adding a new natural resource to juice the economy.
DOGE FTW.
Yes. All of them need to go. And it can be done best by ending all welfare, debit cards, free hotel rooms and every other form of give- away programs. Fine any business that hires them and make the fines BIG. Give them 60 days to sell whatever property, cars and assets they have and then self-deport or else. Or else what? We strip them of everything but the shirt on their back and toss them out with a lifetime ban on reentry.
Yes, it will damage the GDP and send shock waves through the economy. But keeping them here will be a lot worse in the long run.. I don’t want my country to be the third most populated country in the world behind India and China. I want my country to be less populated with an economy designed to not require growth.
I want my cities to be the way they were in the 1950s and 60s. And I want the economy to in alignment with near zero national debt just like it used to be – and can be again.
President Dwight D. Eisenhower kicked out three million and America was better for it. We need to kick out 30 million and totally redesign our socioeconomic system
The 1950s? Really? When blacks were still segregated in schools in “my cities” and faced unfair and unreasonable state and local laws for voting?
Just WOW
57% is quite low really, but is anyone surprise a majority want rid of this experiment?
Around the developed world the sentiment is similar – get them out – take back control.
The country is on a debt-train to hell. So you’re saying let’s keep doing the same thing. Well, we don’t have a lot of tariffs now. Let’s try more. How can it be worse?
We have way too many illegal aliens here, why don’t we try deporting a whole bunch of them. See if that helps.
Guess what? If it doesn’t help, we can cancel the tariffs. Who knew!! We can put back up “Come to America” signs, and we can spend a gazillion dollars on the illegals to entice them back. We’re only spending a half-gazillion right now, so we can afford that. Then Congress can decide which OTHER LAWS THAT WE HAVE PASSED can be ignored. Surely it’s not just the illegals who break laws that we close our eyes to.
How accurate were YouGov / CBS in the last election? Why should we believe them here?
I’d prefer the people that hire them be jailed, and the illegals would go back on their own.
You are correct that the “demand” for cheap labor creates the draw. All the more reason for Congress to pass mandatory e-Verify.
That law has been on the books since Eisenhower.
Enforce the law.
No, it hasn’t. E-verify is an internet-based system begun in the mid-90s.
Aren’t you all ignoring the real reasons behind the illegal immigration and their intended impact? Democrats wanted more voters for their party. They want no voter ID requirements as Newsom has done in CA where IT IS ILLEGAL to ask for an ID. They do not care what harm it does. They only want more power.
These huge numbers are even damaging the elementary school system where large numbers of non-english speakers show up in our classes with NO preparation by school districts to handle their influx. Imagine trying to teach an elementary school class where a dozen students can’t speak or understand english. It brings classroom achievement down to the lowest level!
Hispanics are increasingly voting for Trump – nearly 50%
That is true but they are, at this moment, mainly citizen voters in the vast majority. And many have been here for several generations. I believe that they do see the degradation in their economic circumstances from uncontrolled immigration. They do not owe the Dems as opposed to the Biden regime.
There was and it may still exist, a program in CA called the Brasero program where Mexican (or Latino) farm workers were provided with limited work visas (but not their whole families) as temporary farm workers in CA. It was a very successful program. They came for a few months and went home. Uncontrolled and unenforced immigration has trashed that legally established system to our detriment especially as I have described in the school systems and the public welfare costs, et al.
The California program also exists in Texas. Those are legal immigrant short term work programs. Those people would not be deported.
Hispanic people are voting for Trump because Hispanic culture continues to be a culture where being ‘macho’ is looked favorably upon. Trump absolutely fits macho culture, especially his reaction after the first assassination attempt (the raised fist). That was a very powerful moment.
The other thing people always seem to forget is that Hispanics are 99% Catholic and Catholics are pro life.
What is a so called “Hispanic” other than someone who speaks Spanish and whose origins are from South America? Its really a ridiculous category. I know Mexicans who are blond haired, blue eyed and extremely wealthy. Argentina has a much different ethnic mix than Peru or Bolivia. Etc.
Did Leslie Stahl and Lester Holt weigh-in on this?
Perhaps a solution would be to offer residence permits of limited duration, with this variable duration depending on the economic usefulness of the applicants, and to limit expulsions to those who do not sign these contracts. These residence permits could possibly be renewed, depending on the observed behavior and the economic usefulness of those who request them. With such a measure, the harm to the economy of expulsions would be zero, since there would only be expulsion in the event of the applicant being useless to the economy.
I don’t think a residence permit for illegals should be considered at all.
There are over 30 million folks waiting to legally enter the U.S. for a green card (i.e. a residence permit). Some will wait 10 years or more. Why not let these folks come in before ANY illegals do. The fact that someone LEGALLY applies, means to me that they can be trusted well ahead of any illegal alien. How can they be worse?
Mish, yes, it’s true. Republicans used to be the free trade advocates. But after seeing our manufacturing base shipped out of the country over the last 40 years, we’ve had enough. We were onboard with you “experts” and it hasn’t worked out so well for our fellow countrymen who have turned to drugs, alcohol, and all forms of debauchery in despair. It’s no longer about protecting jobs we have. It’s bringing back the ones that were stolen through unfair foreign government subsidies that picked off one industry after another.
Well, we’ll have at least 2 years to see if the ‘new’ MAGA and Republicans can bring these jobs back with their majorities. I hope we all learn something, no matter the outcome
“If Trump really does decide to go after “all” illegal immigrants, the economy will suffer and he will regret it.”
Nobody, including Trump & The Border Czar Homan has said anything about deporting 25M people.
They’ve been very clear that the two main groups are criminals & people with deportation orders. Let’s get through about 80% of those before we start hyperventilating.
Most likely that’s what “most” people were thinking g if when they heard “illegal” rather than some other CBS/YouGov phrasing. Don’t think people were thinking it through.
The answers to polls like this depend very heavily on exactly how the questions are framed and whether people have time to give serious thought to the answers.
There won’t be mass deportations because we don’t have the people ability to deport 10 or 20 or 30 million undocumented migrants. And if Trump did it, which he won’t, it would cost hundreds of billions of dollars. You need more lawyers, more judges, more detention facilities, more doctors, money to feed them while in detention. Currently we have about 2 million people detained in prisons and jails in America. 10 or 20 million is an impossible number.
There will be some deportations but the process allows them a hearing and probably more than that.
Let’s play Card Sharks: I’m gonna say Jim (Perry) that I think the approval of this measure is higher. The earlier polls were higher and despite Trump saying he would declare and emergency and use miltary resources the normally #resist2.0 and vocal opposition has been fairly ineffective at protesting the move in advance. That is, I think folks want them gone.
<Jim Perry> How many people said it’s higher than a 57…oh, it’s 67, it’s much higher!
He didn’t get rid of any of them last time… why would you expect him to this time?
LOL, he let the fewest in ever. Now, if you had said he didn’t finish the wall, you’d have a point however you’ll also recall he tried to divert money from the military budget to do so and was thwarted.
Seriously, do your homework. Obama deported folks. Trump deported folks. Biden has deported folks or has a large number that are supposed to be deported. We’re talking the 8 figures of people that were intentionally allowed in here over the last 4 years that we’re concerned about.
But, thanks for playing.
So not only did he not get rid of them, he let more in, by your own admission.
It’s funny that gullibility has become a badge of honor for you feebs.
Besides, my comment was not regarding how effective he would be it was regarding how the poll undercounts the popularity of the endeavor.
Another negative Trump post from a never Trumper. Who’d have thought. I love you Mish but Liz Cheney could be writing your posts for all I know….oh and yes we should deport. The idea we defend breaking the law is abhorrent.
You are biased by your own TDS
The economic reality is that it would be idiotic to deport 15 million illegals.
Period.
That does not imply I support open borders. I don’t.
I’m more with the idea that they selectively deport Criminals, if that is possible, but the hint is that no one knows much about those millions mingling about. I know many Latins do NOT support open borders and they are LEGALLY here.
“it would be idiotic to deport 15 million illegals”
then how about deporting 10 million non-working illegals?
It’s also irrational to assume all these illegals are working and contributing to the economy.
I don’t doubt that there would be an economic hit to some parts of the economy, Mish. OTOH, illegal labor DOES negatively affect working class wages. We know from Pres. Obama that “elections have consequences.” It’s not unreasonable for working class voters to demand/expect immigration policy that doesn’t create downward pressure on their wages.
No human being is illegal Mish.
Specious and disingenuous… they are illegal entrants, they are citizens of foreign countries, they need to follow the rules like everyone else, they are not more important than anyone else on the planet.
I was busting Mish’s chops. But I digress …
Only if you are thinking in pure balance sheet spreadsheet terms.
Replace Liz Cheney with Rear Admiral Levine and nobody could tell the difference
Cage match!