The American Conservative asks Is China Waiting Us Out?
The subtitle “While the U.S. bombs, Xi Jinping is building—one power play at a time” provides the answer, but let’s investigate the details.
> The one constant in recent U.S. foreign policy—regardless of which party occupies the White House or controls Congress—is that it prioritizes military intervention, both covert and overt, to advance its interests overseas. While President Barack Obama vowed to move the U.S. away from its “perpetual wartime footing,” by the end of his presidency he had overseen the bombing of seven countries and had greatly expanded the drone war. In his last full year in office, the U.S. military dropped 26,171 bombs—an average of 71 bombs per day.
> Candidate Trump railed against the invasion of Iraq during his campaign, at one point blaming George W. Bush directly and saying, “we should have never been in Iraq. We have destabilized the Middle East.” As president-elect, Trump continued to promise a very different foreign policy, one that would “stop racing to topple foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn’t be involved with.”
> China has not engaged in a foreign war since it invaded Vietnam in 1979, a war which lasted less than a month and in which the Chinese overreached and underperformed, suffering an estimated tens of thousands of casualties in 27 days. After heavy fighting against the battle-hardened Vietnamese, Chinese forces withdrew, cut their losses, and declared victory (as did the Vietnamese). Their leaders appeared to be acting on the advice of the 6th century BC philosopher and general Sun Tzu, who wrote in The Art of War, “there is no instance of a nation benefiting from prolonged warfare.”
> Since then, the Chinese have pursued a more cautious foreign policy and focused the lion’s share of their resources on internal development. As a result of this relentless effort, they have accomplished in 39 years what even the most daring and optimistic China expert would have thought impossible. The government has lifted 800 million of its citizens out of poverty and has set the country on a trajectory that, if maintained, will see its economy overtake the U.S. in terms of GDP by 2032. If purchasing power parity is taken into account, China has already surpassed America as the world’s largest economy.
> By contrast, Washington’s chief investment in the last two decades has been the war on terror, which has greatly contributed to its ballooning national debt. Since 9/11, the Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs at Brown University estimates that America’s wars have cost the country $4.6 trillion, not including an additional trillion for meeting military veterans’ medical and disability requirements through 2056. Nor does that total take into account the trillions of dollars in interest payments—much of which will be paid to Chinese creditors—that will be required to service the debt.
> Meanwhile, domestic infrastructure is crumbling, sometimes literally, rating a D+ according to the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE), which estimates that the U.S. will need to invest $4.5 trillion in its failing infrastructure by 2027. President Trump, like his predecessor, promised big spending on infrastructure, which he called “third world” during his campaign. However, his 10-year, $1.5 trillion plan is riddled with flaws and has little support in Congress.
Biding Their Time
The American Conservative concludes: “The Chinese will bide their time, do what they can to avoid conflict, grapple with their internal problems, invest in their infrastructure and citizens, build external alliances, and wait for the U.S., through continued overreach, to weaken and—finally—exhaust itself.”
Wasted Time and Money
- Chinese leadership thinks long term. The US doesn’t look beyond next year.
- The US has blown at least $4.6 trillion in stupid wars.
- The US invaded Afghanistan in 2001. We are still there. Why? What good has any of it done?
- The US invasion of Iraq lead to the creation of ISIS. It further destabilized the entire Mideast.
- Both Republicans and Democrats have expanded war efforts and military spending.
- Trump looks to cancel nuclear treaties with Russia. Look for more military spending as a result.
The demise or decline of nearly every great economic power in history has been due to unwarranted military expansion.
We are on that path but the outcome is not set in stone. The US has many advantages.
US Advantages
- The US has the largest and most free capital markets in the world.
- The US has excellent research institutions and universities. The Chinese come to the US to study, not the other way around.
- The US has property rights. China does not have property rights or human rights.
- Unlike the EU, it does not take 27 nations to agree to do something to get it done. Unlike the EU, the US does not routinely support breaking up great companies.
- Unlike China, no one tells US companies what to do. US companies figure out what the market wants and needs, then they deliver it.
- We have Google, Amazon, Microsoft, and Uber and numerous technology companies for reasons 1-5.
- China is backsliding on political freedoms. Pollution is enormous.
- The US is nearly energy independent. China isn’t.
China, despite all its progress is still a command economy, led by de facto dictators.
The military and spending path we are on is clearly not sustainable. Yet, it has always been a huge mistake to write off the US.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock



We don’t care the so called capitalism or socialism,as long as it can benefit more people’s lives. Just like DengXiaoping said ” No matter it is a white cat or black cat, it is a good cat if it can catches mouse”.
To be frank,China wins!
China is spending a lot on its military — new rockets, aircraft carriers. Countries around the South China Sea may not buy into the myth that China is playing a long game. There is a Chinese advert you can find on You Tube — “I am a Chinese Soldier”; it is worth finding, and quite sobering.
China’s great strength is economic. China has the manufacturing capacity that the US and Europe off-shored in a fit of mis-guided stupidity.
The US’s great weakness is not military spending, although it would be good to cut that back AFTER quitting the global policeman rule and leaving the EuroTrash to their well-deserved fate. The problem is excessive pension and welfare spending, financed with borrowed money.
The solution is to bring back manufacturing capacity (cuts welfare spending and increases tax revenue) and to eliminate the Political Class’s deficit spending.
And China has poorly made stuff – the buildings might collapse in the next not high magnitude earthquake. See “What’s wrong with China”.
Don’t assume your own cultural norms apply there. They don’t. We build things that after a cultural shift (collapse) stops the maintenance, lasted the better part of the century and may still do a second even if frayed.
They build facades.
I don’t say this as an insult, merely as a cultural observation.
There is a reason that Somalia after losing its government didn’t turn into Galt’s gulch.
It seems America infrastructure is much more worse and easily collapse . Just go around and see by yourself.
The metaphor I’ve used is, “China is playing chess, but the US is playing tic-tac-toe.”
Mmmm …. China is more active geo-politically than this article suggests. They may not be dropping bombs but they are making numerous ‘peaceful’ incursions into many parts of the world, including Africa but also making inroads where they can in the Asia-Pac region: in Australia and NZ they exert soft power by hiring (bribing) politicians to take a pro-China line, funding lobby groups to do the same and maintaining links via the huge student population in universities in these countries. Every time someone suggests pushing back against this ‘soft power’ there are screams of ‘racist’!
Like in Africa the Chinese are extending ‘infrastructure loans’ to countries they know will never be able to pay back thus securing future rights to land (or favours), like ummm, a military base in the poverty stricken country. They are more subtle than the Yanks but they are flexing their muscle too.
“there is no instance of a nation benefiting from prolonged warfare.”
Nations, no. But politicians, hedge funds, and other war profiteers do quite well.
The childish belief that a nation’s population and it’s government has any common interest whatsoever, is the principal fallacy underpinning progressive totalitarianism everywhere. Every government prey on their captive underlings. And that’s all they do.
That 5 trillion should have been used to build USA or just have 5 trillion dollar less in government debt.
Without the Bush/Obama wars US federal debt would be about 15 trillion instead of the current over 20 trillion…
The fallacy that Obama was for poor people is just a fallacy.
Trump promised to end the wars but he was almost taken to a massive war in Syria that would have cost trillions and made the situation worse.
So far we see lots of claims of what Trump almost did or might have done, but so far, no new wars….go figure. Reminds me of Reagan, the cowboy who was going to start WWIII with the USSR.
Just wait till the presidential election rolls around. Trump is gonna need a yuuuuuuge distraction from his serial failures, and americans always go for a war.
Does that 5 trillion include the 6.5 trillion that the Pentagon has not accounted for?
Mish, we were already engaged in massive military spending. The arms race is on regardless of treaties, or have you not noticed all of the announcements by China and Russia of late….hypersonic missiles just one of them. Trump could have easily pretended all was good in the world, head in a hole in the sand, but it wasn’t and he didn’t. Not our trade balance, and not our weapons systems and theoretical “deterrents”. And have we done an analysis on Chinese and Russian military spending? It sure seems like China is getting mighty bold of late, claiming new territorial waters and islands, and a great deal of saber rattling in response to Trump’s demands for reciprocal trade agreements.
The Russian “Satan” family of missiles that can NOT be stopped by current US technology are a danger for USA especially since they make it clear Russia could nuke USA in all situations.
This should lead to USA stopping trying to forment Russian opposition to have a coup in Russia.
Obama/Clinton escalation in Ukraine was crazy policy.
Supporting actual f*cking Nazis in Ukraine by USA should have led to some looking at the mirror by those responsible in US government.
When half of Ukraine is Russian speaking and ethnic Russian it is kind of stupid for USA to have supported Ukrainian Nazis who think Russians are sub-human and whose first act was removing Russian language and trying to Ukrainize Ukraine once the Coup, whose muscle were the Nazis had happened
The policy that started in Iran where a legitimate government was overthrown and a puppet dictator installed led to the islamic revolution and crazy America hating mullahs getting power.
Imagine what would happen if Russia ended up controlled by seriously crazy and extremist people instead of thuggish and his own oligarchs having but still mostly normally thinking Putin…
The world is a dangerous place. We either interact or we don’t. If there was ever an absolute answer to world piece, we would have surely seen it by now. MAD policy worked…for a while, but history shows us nothing works forever. We can lament past mistakes of which there are plenty, but that changes nothing on the ground today. To pretend that we can all simply lay down our weapons, hold hands and sing folk songs together and resolve these issues is beyond mad. We can’t even get along inside of our own borders but want to hypothesize that we can impose peace of the entire world through simple will power and positive feelings. It’s absurd. Life is in conflict and survival depends upon the accurate assessment of risk….and there are lots of risks. While government will insist that only they can protect us, in our hearts we KNOW that only WE can protect ourselves through accurate assessment of risk.
Internationally we have no friends beyond what we can provide them. At some point, each of us must decide how much our “friends” are worth. Some become quite expensive indeed.
Hell yeah! I bet China and Russia would lose their nerve if we showed we were willing to go to war more often. How long’s it been since our last war? Seems like forever.
Also, we don’t spend nearly enough on our military. We need a much larger budget and more muscular foreign policy. Then they’d see we mean business and beg for mercy!
We seem to have the same appreciation for the accomplishments of COMMUNIST CHINA as we had for NAZI Germany. It was a miracle! The power of dictatorial authoritarian rule. Odd that so many accuse Trump of this while complaining he lacks a dictator’s accomplishments.
talk is cheap and bullshit. just look at their subway, their infrastructures and compare to our infrastructures. theirs is haven, ours is earth.
it’s amazing to me when i see people such high academic that lack of common senses to the point they are amazingly ignorant
pure bushit, he forgot to mention:
It is well past the time for the US to declare victory (everywhere, including Iraq, Afghanistan, Western Europe) and come home. At a minimum, our presence can be greatly reduced. Some countries don’t want us there, others can afford to pay for their own defense. The US can remain engaged in the world without a military presence everywhere. I will add, in addition to the US advantages already mentioned, it appears a lot of Chinese infrastructure spending is wasted (crumbling ghost cities) and the US still has better demographics due to the residual effects of the one child policy.
Yeah, but of course this will never happen. We’re not in these countries for “defense” but rather for selfish reasons, mostly to enrich the MIC. We also get bonuses like poppy production thrown in for good measure.
This militaristic USA is here to stay. Trump and Obama were touted as peace candidates, for crissakes.
I agree we’re in these countries for the selfish reasons of the political elite. I realize much of the money gets recycled back to the top through lobbying, foundations, etc., while a different class of Americans die and suffer lifetime injuries in these wars. I just hope your wrong and eventually someone puts an end to the militarism, but I doubt it too. It’s still appropriate to point out this needless waste.
I think it started to spiral out of control all the way back in the Truman/early Cold War era, where the military set its sights on empire.
We had a golden opportunity to scale back about 30 years ago with the fall of the USSR. Rather than doing this, we set about creating new bogeymen to fight so we could justify ever increasing expenditures.
Really, the entire post 9/11 era is a damning indictment of military bloat. If nobody put a stop to it by now, it won’t happen voluntarily. Eisenhower’s dire warning (which he waited until he was leaving office to make) needed to be considered back then, not almost 6 decades later.
The American Conservative is my go to website for communitarian, as opposed to libertarian, conservative thought. Nice to see it pop up here. And while I’m certain it’s cookie driven, I actually had Mishtalk show up on my Google News feed the last couple of weeks.
Agree.