“China Is Not Rebalancing, Its Flawed Dependence On Huge Exports Continues”
You got it backwards: It’s the whiners who aren’t rebalancing away from their flawed dependence on imports.
Making things competitively, at competitive prices, is not “flawed.”
What’s “flawed” is being too incompetent to be able to do so. Hence being stuck indefinitely in dependence on importing more and more from those who are less flawed.
Ditch The Fed and central banks, IN THE WEST, and, tah-dah; suddenly China’s “flawed dependence” on exports isn’t, anymore. Ergo: It’s got nothing to do with China. And everything to do with the Confederate States of Financialized Dystopia.
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
“China’s export growth may have slowed compared to recent months, but it is nonetheless up 7.1% year on year in August. I don’t know what the global figures are, but I suspect that China continues to grow its share of total exports.”
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yuan weakening vs usd … necessary to compete with other falling Asian currencies. China’s youth (16 yr to 24 yr) unemployment rate @ 20%.
Years ago then President Hu made a comment that still resonates. Something along the line of ‘China needs to create 17 million new jobs a year to accommodate population growth’.
Create jobs or civil unrest. That simple.
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
“This shows just how terribly weak domestic demand continues to be. Between rising uncertainty, high unemployment and downward pressure on wages, Chinese households are completely unable to increase their consumption and, with it, their imports.”
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Chinese housing tanking … and taking with it household “wealth effect”.
GodfreeRoberts
1 year ago
Bless his heart, Michael Pettis has been writing ‘fatal Chinese imbalance’ articles like this, and predicting Chinese economic collapses for 15 years and, wouldn’t you know it? He’s never once been right, and China’s GDP has continued outgrowing ours, like this:
In 2020, the first Covid year, China’s GDP grew 2.2%, and America’s shrank 3.4%.
In 2021, China’s GDP grew 8.1% America’s grew 5.7%.
In 2022, projections see the US growing 1.3%. Goldman Sachs sees 3.0% for China.
By 2023, China will be 13.8% richer than it was in January, 2020, and the US will be 3.4% better off.
Socially, China’s policy saved four million lives, while America’s condemned 1 million to premature deaths.
The people who engineered this miracle are too dumb to see and correct ‘imbalances’ in their own economy?
It’s just the same with articles about all the empty homes in China and how this will inevitably lead to economic disaster. I believe that about 12% of Chinese homes are empty. In the US the figure is about the same, at 11% – and the US is supposed to be suffering a housing shortage! Go figure.
economist newspaper covers this topic best. don’t know the exact figures off the top. but the amount of home ownership is astonishing in past 20 years there. in spite of many losing their investments in bankrupt builders…………
My point is that Chinese households invest in RE heavily (with little in equities). They store their “wealth” in NEW VACANT apartments. I’ve seen unofficial numbers as high as 150 million new vacant apartments. Ghost cities not some urban legend.
Are you afraid of people with different opinions to your own? Mish doesn’t impose any ideological constraints on people commenting here, nor would he believe in censorship of any kind. So, to answer your question, he’s doing the same thing you are doing here — getting information and making comments. Guess what? Mish has plenty of left wing and center left commenters here. Either deal with it or die mad about it, idc tbh>That all being said, if you think the US govt lies any less than the Chinese government, then you’ve swallowed more propaganda than the average Chinese citizen, because at least the KNOW when the government is lying. Here, everyone seems to labor under the delusion that the government and media tell the truth. They all lie, homie. Economic figures like GDP, payrolls, unemployment, and sentiment PMIs, are almost CERTAINLY goosed to the upside, and economic projections of non-western aligned countries are almost always certainly goosed to the downside by western economists and media. You gotta take them all and sorta parse the needle of truth from the haystack of lies in order to get to the bottom of things. That all being said, the Chinese Communists seem to have a far better understanding of money, economy, and finance than the clueless western economists and officials
“Socially, China’s policy saved four million lives, while America’s condemned 1 million to premature deaths.”
Thank the FDA/CDC/NIH for the official U.S. death toll. As Steve Kirsch noted in a video comment to the WHO on Sep. 10, that Drs. Fareed and Tyson created an early treatment protocol in March, 2020. They treated over 10,000 people, with ZERO deaths. Not everyone would have been saved, but the death toll would have been cut dramatically, once supplies were ramped up. But the public health agencies were not interested in their successful treatment protocol.
JRM
1 year ago
I’m a little confused…
How is China not importing proof China it is struggling…
That is a blatant lie, since the Chinese are buying DOMESTIC goods!!!
Imports is what’s now getting the WEST in trouble, we rely too much on imports and not DOMESTIC manufactured goods!!
DOMESTIC MANUFACTURING–This is what the rest of the Countries of the world should be concentrating on!!!
Imports is how countries that export the majority of the goods to other countries can hold those countries hostage!!!!
Not importing can be a sign that the people do not have the spare cash to buy them. China’s economy is in a weak phase because of Covid and the property crisis so consumption is down. The property sector is at a standstill as we see with the drop of iron ore and other imports used in construction and since that sector has an outsized importance in China this weakness percolates though the economy. Don’t know how long it will last though. Oil imports are down also as confirmation.
A few years ago, BBC ran a story where they visited a car lot in Beijing.. They were showing all the fancy western cars with all the bling, yet everything in the vehicles was domestic, but was being sold as an imported European and US made vehicles, according to the stickers on the cars!!!
bingo. you nailed it. china’s lifting hundreds of millions from wrenching poverty with no running water……….into apartments with refrigerators and jobs in factories, has been the world’s greatest economic miracle in world history. they have created so much internal wealth in spite of the housing troubles………they now have a domestic based economy which resembles a rich world working class. it’s a god damn miracle really. in 1960 the actuarial age to live was early 40s. most had no shoes. their wealth creation in my lifetime is akin to US wealth creation from 1820s to 1950s…………when mao died, they pivoted back to their roots of capitalism and world trading…………….
prumbly
1 year ago
High unemployment? China’s unemployment has been rapidly FALLING for months and was about 5.4% in July – lower than in the EU.
Jack
1 year ago
Big accusations.
The big question on everyone’s minds is who is Miss, Misses, and Mitch – strange mix of names for a male.
Miss sounds more ridiculous and foolish every single day he shills for Big oil and sells out any kind of values of decency or self-respect saying the same parodying ridiculous flat Earth theories over and over again sounding like a fool
kewtiepie
1 year ago
Misses inserted his head so far up his I don’t know what you would say that when he finally pulls his head out or someone pulls it out for him how much he’s going to see an entirely different world than his big oil destroy and exploit the planet and create dirtier for kids and no human rights for women and children.
kewtiepie
1 year ago
Mitch has to justify his views on climate change because he’s been a shill for Big oil his whole career and he’s exploited the planet and destroyed people’s clean water on sovereign land and supported it and was smug and arrogant about it. His way of doing things is coming to an end it may look like it is it but it is. He’s going to post the same point of view right of right extreme right because that’s what he’s paid to do. He’s not allowed to have an opinion or he would get fired that’s why he has to look like a fool more and more everyday
kewtiepie
1 year ago
Mitch tells the same lies and gas lights over and over again so that he can enrich himself and other white men that look like him and harms children women the environment and the entire planet. But he’s nothing but a sellout that has no values other than to harm the planet and not care that kids are breathing dirty air and not having lunch at school because cheap mesh won’t pay for it
There would be no modern society without fossil fuels. That is a simple fact.
Harming the planet. Karl Denninger noted that 500,000 pounds of earth needs to be moved and processed to create one lithium car battery.
It also takes carbon based fuels to mine the lithium. Lithium batteries are a potential fire hazard. The smoke from a car fire is toxic. How are all these batteries going to be disposed of or recycled? The same with solar panels and windmills, which allegedly have a life of 25 years.
What about the toxic materials involved?
kewtiepie
1 year ago
Sell out mesh is nothing but a shell for Big oil and has been for 30 years. Everyday, he posts the same exact point of view without ever growing, changing, or able to express a different opinion. If it wasn’t for him shilling for big oil, he wouldn’t be able to pay for his chance to Colorado to get out a stepford country over there in utah!
PapaDave
1 year ago
I could be wrong on the timing, but I expect China to end its zero covid policy in the next 6 months, which will signal a major turning point towards stronger economic growth.
Xi will maintain the policy until he is reaffirmed as leader in October. Because he needs to keep firm control and show strength.
Soon after that I expect China to announce that their mRNA vaccines are ready for use and they will be ending their zero covid lockdowns.
This will boost Chinese economic activity and energy demand in 2023.
China is said to be in talks with Moderna, it could be a fade, or could be that China has failed to duplicate (by theft) the American Covid-19 mRNA vaccine formula. Funny note* Moderna solved for the solution in 2 days (it was actually over a weekend) in Jan 2020. Sometime later BioNTech somehow also solved for the solution and ran to Pfizer, the Goliath.
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“China’s export growth may have slowed compared to recent months, but it is nonetheless up 7.1% year on year in August. I don’t know what the global figures are, but I suspect that China continues to grow its share of total exports.”
…
yuan weakening vs usd … necessary to compete with other falling Asian currencies. China’s youth (16 yr to 24 yr) unemployment rate @ 20%.
Years ago then President Hu made a comment that still resonates. Something along the line of ‘China needs to create 17 million new jobs a year to accommodate population growth’.
Create jobs or civil unrest. That simple.
“This shows just how terribly weak domestic demand continues to be. Between rising uncertainty, high unemployment and downward pressure on wages, Chinese households are completely unable to increase their consumption and, with it, their imports.”
…
Chinese housing tanking … and taking with it household “wealth effect”.
Are you afraid of people with different opinions to your own? Mish doesn’t impose any ideological constraints on people commenting here, nor would he believe in censorship of any kind. So, to answer your question, he’s doing the same thing you are doing here — getting information and making comments. Guess what? Mish has plenty of left wing and center left commenters here. Either deal with it or die mad about it, idc tbh>That all being said, if you think the US govt lies any less than the Chinese government, then you’ve swallowed more propaganda than the average Chinese citizen, because at least the KNOW when the government is lying. Here, everyone seems to labor under the delusion that the government and media tell the truth. They all lie, homie. Economic figures like GDP, payrolls, unemployment, and sentiment PMIs, are almost CERTAINLY goosed to the upside, and economic projections of non-western aligned countries are almost always certainly goosed to the downside by western economists and media. You gotta take them all and sorta parse the needle of truth from the haystack of lies in order to get to the bottom of things. That all being said, the Chinese Communists seem to have a far better understanding of money, economy, and finance than the clueless western economists and officials