Navy Ship to Offload Patients Only Has 3 So Far
Inexcusable Ignorance in Georgia
https://twitter.com/kr3at/status/1245876258799521793
About that Fed Stockpile
It’s for us dammit, not for states, says senior White House advisor.
California Cases Top 1,000 Three Days
https://twitter.com/kr3at/status/1245873182323720193
NYC Overwhelmed
Coronavirus Lingers in the Air
https://twitter.com/kr3at/status/1245902459568078849
4-6 Weeks of Hell
National Strategy Suboptimal
Should we wait until we are out of ventilators and people die? Would that be enough data?
Lack of Ventilators Kills First Person
Rationing supplies hits the US.
In case you Need a Laugh
Navy Fires Captain of Aircraft Carrier
Speak up, be honest, try to protect the sailors …. Get Fired
https://twitter.com/DadoftheDecade/status/1245832602826792961
Dr. Fauci on Face Masks
Dr. Birx on People Following the Recommendations
We know they are not simply by watching the curve.
Dr. Fauci calls for National Lockdown
“If you look at what’s going on…I just don’t understand why we’re not doing that. We really should be.”
About that Data. Where is it?
Dr. Deborah Birx said WH coronavirus task force is missing 50% of the data for coronavirus tests that have been conducted.
Damn Ugly Set of Tweets
That’s enough, and It’s damn ugly.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
That Tweet reply to Scott Adams was kind of bitchy, Mish. Little girl bitchy. Have you figured out that the Saints in St. George are not like you, yet?
Will anyone on national press ask the question – “How effective are ventilators?”
I have seen two US doc on small shows state they only save 10-20%…. so 15% on average, in Wuhan it was 5%. Why are we not focusing on mitigation medications and anti-virals. Ventilators will not bend the curve, if you do the math of Cases to Hospitals to ICUs to death, it will only change the outcome in less than 0.5% of all cases – at best. And even with more we don’t have personal trained to run them 100K in all of the US. “Rookie” mgmt of vents will up the death rate.
I have family members with COPD and who are immune compromised, aka the HIGHET RISK – I am SICK of be lied to about vents, if it goes that far they are likely gone.
Off-Guardian
Apr 2, 2020
Coronavirus Fact-Check #1: “Flu doesn’t overwhelm our hospitals!”
This the first of a new on-going series of micro-articles tackling the prevailing, media-generated talking points of on Sars-Cov2 and Covid19.
Those of you who have spent any time debating or discussing the current coronavirus “pandemic” on social media will almost certainly have encountered an argument that goes something like this:
But is this true? We’ve done some research.
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As none of our political leaders, nor their doctor advisers, ever recommend nutritional supplementation, I give all of them, and the doctors, an F.
Navy captain fired by Trump administration identified.
Link to NY doctor who has had >350 cases and 100% cure rate. 6 days to cure, 4-6 hours to relief.
Never believe anyone with a 100% rate.
Every article on newsthud is written by one of two guys. Seems legit.
This guy claimed he cured twice as many patients as there were in his entire county. Hmm?
We’re all going to be exposed sooner or later. IMO, The best things to do are try to limit the size of the exposure. Give your immune system a chance to respond before your lungs are overwhelmed. Also, do everything to keep your immune system in good shape. Eat right and exercise. Maybe get a limited amount sun exposure for Vitamin D. 30 minutes to an hour should help a lot. And if you feel sick, isolate yourself from others. Hopefully, if you fall ill, it will be months from now and the medical community will be in much better shape to help. Good luck to all.
This is getting surreal. Countless studies show that proper masks protect the wearer from airborne respiratory disease. Countless. Flu, colds, corona. The denial of the importance of this can only be in order to prevent panic and chaos since there are so few available.
I bought about 3 dozen of them months ago, when I first heard about this, and now find that I only need a few. You can re-use them after a waiting period. I’m going to donate the rest to the hospital today.
My wife had surgery a few weeks ago at a hospital. The day I picked her up, I wore a surgical mask and goggles. The surgeon told me they do nothing to protect me. I thought it was nonsense then and I think it’s nonsense now. How could it not help?
Surgical masks do not block particles coming in as well as N95. But if everyone’s wearing one, it does not matter because they will block particles going out. That’s the part that everyone including medical “experts” always left out. This country really deserves its fall.
Mish attempting to sowing chaos again. Scott Adams is 100% right. We are destroying jobs, families, and businesses based on data and models that are likely completely flawed.
“Lack of Ventilators Kills First Person”
Denninger: “Cramer just admitted on-air the fact I’ve pointed out for more than a month — in NYC fewer than 20% are making it off ventilators.”
Apparently, a ventilator is saving less than one in 5.
I’ve seen 4 “data points” on this. I consider them all unscientific.
That Cornell doctor who did the 45-minute podcast on how to keep yourself safe — he said 1/2 his vent patients were coming off (implying the other 1/2 die).
All other data points were negative. 95% of the 63 Wuhan patients who went on vents died. The doc interviewed by Cramer painted a similar grim story.
Point being… Bad idea to set policy based on making sure vents are available. Bad assumption that having a vent would have saved that person.
In the United States, the only sure thing it would have done is bankrupt his/her family once the medical bills started rolling through the system.
Most people who end up on a vent for ANY reason do not survive.
DBG8489, Correct. Something like 50% die before coming off them and another 20% die in the year after coming off them. (non-COVID stats)
So touting them as a solution and predicating public policy moves on making sure they’re available at all costs doesn’t seem logical.
And saying a person died because they couldn’t have one… we can’t know that, but we know it’s probably not true.
But saying a bunch of people died because thousands couldn’t have one, is very probably true.
A person probably won’t die from playing a round of single chamber Russian roulette, either….. Yet a million or two playing it, will very probably lead to a bunch of deaths.
“But saying a bunch of people died because thousands couldn’t have one, is very probably true.”
Yes, absolutely.
But it certainly changes all the equations. We’re making our decisions as if keeping vents available is worth it, no matter the cost. Vents aren’t as important as people think, and we’re prioritizing our resources for getting them.
The Governors already have the power to order stay-at-home. They don’t need permission from the President. Furthermore, under the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, I’m not sure the President has the authority to make that order inside of a State. He can shutdown interstate commerce though.
Furthermore, you city-dwellers might want to remember it’s planting season, and a lockdown does not contribute to getting the crops in. So if an agricultural area is not having a major outbreak, a lockdown would do more harm than good.
Where I live, the Governor’s lockdown order is having little effect because agriculture is mostly exempt, and it’s planting season, and therefore ignored anyway.
…New Jersey-based Quest Diagnostics had about 160,000 coronavirus test orders waiting to be processed on March 25, which amounted to about half of the 320,000 total orders for the tests the company had received up to that date, according to Quest internal materials obtained by CNN…..
I think the fact that 40% of Americans are obese contributes to the concern. Sweden’s obesity rate is less than half that.
Diabetes is a high risk group and there’s a link between obesity and type 2 diabetes.
The crazy thing is that practically there is still not widespread testing in many parts of the country. I mean yes, you can get tested but due to the backlog in processing the tests it takes almost two weeks to get the results which makes testing basically pointless.
I agree with this post below. We really are descending into a police state on that slippery slope. Where are all the people who jump up screaming about some obscure supposed violation of privacy on via the internet when local, state and federal governments are acting together to dictate our right to leave the house or do normal activities due to some trumped up virus of no real consequence?
John Whitehead’s Commentary
Draconian Lockdown Powers: It’s a Slippery Slope from Handwashing to House Arrest
By John W. Whitehead
April 01, 2020
We still have choices.
Just because we’re fighting an unseen enemy in the form of a virus doesn’t mean we have to relinquish every shred of our humanity, our common sense, or our freedoms to a nanny state that thinks it can do a better job of keeping us safe.
Whatever we give up willingly now—whether it’s basic human decency, the ability to manage our private affairs, the right to have a say in how the government navigates this crisis, or the few rights still left to us that haven’t been disemboweled in recent years by a power-hungry police state—we won’t get back so easily once this crisis is past.
The government never cedes power willingly.
Neither should we.
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Yeah, dammit, don’t tread on my right to infect as many people as possible!!
Even though there’s no bigger fan of individual rights than me, I think there is justification for some stay-at-home orders, now, in the beginning, for the several weeks to get through at least the crest of the first wave. For two main reasons: (a) our ignorance of the virus and just how deadly it would have been without emergency restrictions; and (b) the fact that government severely hindered the individual’s ability to be responsible for their own health safety. The government monopoly of health care “policy” has created a dysfunctional, sclerotic, stupid bureaucracy that is still figuring out if it “officially” recommends wearing cloth face masks, ffs. The “public” makes no changes in its actions as it waits for the “leaders” to do their thinking for them and make everything better — leading to a possibly very deadly chain reaction.
Sometimes the punishment for being a society that chooses to have a big mommy government is that in an emergency we have to be treated like the irresponsible teenagers that we are.
But in a couple months there will be enough scientific knowledge and public knowledge that it will no longer be an emergency situation from a legal/socio-political perspective, and there will be no justification for enforced stay-at-home orders. So come November when flu season gets going and COVID-19 ramps up again, everyone can be expected to have had enough knowledge and time and freedom to be responsible for their own health safety. E.g., hunker down as much as you want.
I fear that all the accidental statists around us won’t see it this way, and will demand lockdowns, maybe stronger and longer, when the second wave comes. This is to be expected, because most people today do not care at all about their own individual rights, they don’t even know there is such a thing, let alone that it is a crucial value, due to mis-education and bad philosophy. As I’ve said many times.
“I fear that all the accidental statists around us won’t see it this way, and will demand lockdowns, maybe stronger and longer, when the second wave comes.
This is what is referred to as the slippery slope.
The issue here is that there are smart people and dumb people. A certain segment of the population simply isn’t smart enough to know or care that this disease is going to kill possibly hundreds of thousands of people, smart and dumb. So you should really look at this as the smart people using the force of government to keep the dumb people from killing them out of their own stupidity.
The interesting thing is that the more people that resist the social distancing, the bigger the hit the economy will take, and the more intense the legal restrictions will have to be. If people took distancing seriously, the virus could be defeated in a month or two, as has happened in places like China and S. Korea, and then life could return to somewhat normal, albeit with continued distancing. Since people are unwilling to do that, the virus will linger on, and more and more will need to be done, and the economy will be crushed for a very, very long time.
No, what is going to happen is that more and more people are going to resist and ignore. This isn’t China, You are not going to force people into anything.
And the longer this goes on, the more calls you are going to see for the politicians responsible to be recalled or voted out of office at the next opportunity. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. It’s a real physical law!
Yes, dumb people like Jojo : )
50% of the people are dumber than average. I submit that we put a special tax on you to help pay to take care of dumb people who get themselves into economic or medical problems because of their dumbness. Agreed?
There’s just no way these people are really trying to contain this virus, this has to be a distraction from something else. There’s no way these people with their education, training and resources are doing their best. There must be reason for this.
Because we believe that this is all bullshit and unnecessary. The under 25 people, when their parents aren’t around, are not buying the hype and continue to do as usual. I saw this the other day on a big local hiking trail. Must have been 50 or more in small groups of 2-5 wandering around and no one was maintaining the so-called social distancing. Made my heart happy to see that they were not following orders.
Why unnecessary ? Some hospitals are already overwhelmed.
Jojo, you’re an asshat
Show me your proof that what he says is wrong or do you just watch the screaming left bullshitting media. There is loads of data/information out there showing the opposite of what you say. Get off your arse and go and find it. You are nothing but a lazy wilderbeast running because someone shouted “lion”.
“… these people with their education, training and resources…”
Makes you wonder why we put all that money into those three things doesn’t it?
And if it doesn’t, it should.
Oh, crap. The joining of Russell J and Jojo — a stupid criticality!!!! From which no rational thought can escape!
Same reply i gave bubblelife
It’s the Fed’s job to ensure education, training and resources are, to as great an extent as possible, reserved for illiterate but well connected dilettantes.
They’ve had 100% free hand to pursue this goal for 50 years now. So they’ve made a lot of headway.
IOW: In America anno now, you can fairly reliably work off the assumption that the wealthier, and the more powerful, someone is, the stupider he is. Exactly the opposite of what the, also Fed supported, indoctrinators are trying to fool suckers in to believing.
This from an E.R. doctor in the front line trenches in Louisiana
( note, especially for those advocating massive industrial diversion to crank out ventilators his observation that 80% of those going on ventilators die)
And
Do not use Bipap- it does not work well and is a significant exposure risk with high levels of aerosolized virus to you and your staff. Even after a cough or sneeze this virus can aerosolize up to 3 hours
Please tell that to Elon Musk. His “ventilators” turned out to be Bipap/Cpap.
People just love a**holes.
I’m interested in the Swedish approach. From what I can tell, the rate of infections there is no worse than any other country.
As to the Navy Sectatary firing a Captain. You have to admit, the optics don’t look good. Here’s a ship full of young toughs ready to administer death and destruction on others whining about getting a boo boo. It’s really not the image you want to project. But then, the Navy is not the Marines.
Sweden dropped their approach on Thursday do to deaths
Please can you supply details or link to Sweden changing tack. The only change i can find was on the 27th when they limited to groups of 50.
As for that tweet from the California Governor saying 2/3rds of people in ICU were healthy individuals i say bull shit because it would go against all the data everywhere especially in New York and Italy where the vast majority of individuals had at least one comorbidity . This site i`m afraid is nothing but a cheerleader for the corrupt left leaning media with its rumour ,inuendo and down right lies. I see no mention again of Hydrxychloroquine as a treatment then. However it is your site and i guess scaremongering the natives must be good for the clicks.
His tweet said 2/3 of those infected were healthy individuals, to my reading ?
And Singapore / Japan look close to, or are now, increasing restrictions even with a lot of tracking and right attitude to contain contagion.
Read it again and still dont know. Poorly written either way.
I agree it is not obvious which it means, I assumed just for overall cases because I know the other is unlikely, but other people would not know that.
I guess “healthy” is not clearly defined either.
looks at ICU admission data, I won’t try to draw conclusion from it but it offers some idea.
Disease on ships has been the worst nightmare of every ship’s captain since ships plied the ocean thousands of years ago. The close quarters means rapid transmission of the disease and inevitable incapacitation of the crew. Now an ignorant jarhead like you might not have sufficient imagination to understand what can happen to a ship which is no longer properly manned – so think of flying in a plane where the crew is on the cabin floor unable to fly and you should be able to grasp the problem, albeit ships operate on a longer time frame.
You’re the first person I’ve seen fret about the optics of the Navy captain asking for help. Sailors stuck on a vessel with a pandemic galloping through the ranks hardly seems comparable to a “boo boo”.
Everyone on board has probably already been exposed. He needs to nurse those that fall sick while running his ship. If Captain Stubing can’t handle this, how is he going to handle a real shooting war? The guy is an incompetent and should be made to walk the plank!
(How many on board, 5000 ?)
So call half infected now, a third of those disabled (700) and fatalities (5).
VS.
Near all infected, disabled (1400), and fatalities (10).
The ship is not in immediate action, so the imperative is to save lives and functionality. One of the choices above is the better for the running of the ship. I think he has the right view.
How does writing a letter save lives? More like grand standing. Also most are young and healthy, very few deaths likely. The military is to fight wars. It’s not a government jobs program. My point being you can’t fight a win a war with this type of sissy running the show.
You certainly can’t fight a war unless you can protect your fighters from dying of non-war related causes.
And neither can you fight a war, when a bunch of higher-ups halfway around the world are more worried about “optics,” and looking tough, than about getting as much information about emerging threats out to as many as possible.
That is why I calculated fatality at 0.2 %, two in a thousand.
Writing a letter doesn’t if it has no effect, but he will not be responsible if his demands are not met and maybe in future there will be better procedure in place.
You have less ability with twice as many discapacitated in conflict. I mean a charge of the light brigade against a virus and you are only going to lose. We are guessing at numbers obviously, but it isn’t going to improve morale for sailors to see their mates
lost needlessly.
Maybe his being removed had more to do with how the letter was leaked, rather than the fact that he wanted to have a discussion.
Maybe he leaked because there was no discussion.
Anyone who has visited a warship will know that containment is near impossible with a virus with these characteristics. The crew would have to be wearing full face respirators 24/24 and eating sterilised food on deck. Even then you find out that entry is not just eyes and mouth and you are screwed – whole crew cannot be all day in hazmat suits indefinitely , maybe they will design bio hazmat outfits that are less restrictive.
The Swedish approach was pretty simple. They started with a country that has a tremendous amount of social distancing anyway, then encouraged as many people as possible to work from home, and then waited until the deaths got bad. The fact that it failed in a country with as much distancing as Sweden has is confirmation that distancing alone not enough.
Trust me – the captain knew when he wrote and then leaked the letter that his days were numbered.
As a Navy vet, I can hope that it was his integrity and honor and a willingness to fall on his sword in an effort to protect those under his command.
However, as a Navy vet, I am also a cynic and will keep my eyes peeled for any sign that the action was taken with the idea of furthering his own notoriety – speeches, books, movies, political office…etc
Trump is being stupid. Because some states are not in lock down mode, the ones that are will later become “safe” zones, and because of that people from the “danger” zones will flock to the former, turning them into “danger” zones again.
This country is done.
C’mon! A lot of people in shelter-in=place CA are not doing so. many people think they are being sold a bill of goods and we are doing what we want. The police state is going to have to put us all in jail to make us confirm.
(Yoda voice) — And that is why you fail…
We’ll need a bigger model…