Covid-19 Deaths In Context and the Absurdity of Flu Comparisons

Mish

Every day I am barraged with Tweets by pandemic illiterates who still compare Covid-19 to the flu, car crashes, heart disease etc.

The same illiterates point to easily debunked articles that claim the number of deaths is overstated and the models are totally wrong. 

The above chart shows just how foolish these pandemic non-believers are. 

Here's a second chart of New York that does the same.

New York State Weekly Deaths

Covid-19 New York State New Deaths Weekly 2020-04-21

The charts and comments below are from the Atlantis article Not Like the Flu, Not Like Car Crashes, Not Like... 

The Deaths in Context

Different time scales: We are still early in this pandemic. It has only been a few weeks since the first reported U.S. deaths. Comparing these deaths to, say, an entire year of deaths from car crashes or influenza is not meaningful.

A spike: Perhaps the most noticeable feature of both graphs is the Covid-19 spike — the rapid growth in deaths since the pandemic began. Car crashes, by contrast, show little variation week to week. And even compared to past flu seasons or pandemics, the rate of increase in Covid-19 deaths is markedly faster.The number of new deaths reported in the U.S. in the week beginning March 16 was 678 percent higher than the previous week.

In New York State, the number of new deaths grew thirty-six-fold the same week. By comparison, the worst one-week increase in new flu and pneumonia deaths during the 2017-18 flu season was 26 percent, and during the 1957-58 Asian flu was 48 percent. Although the growth in Covid-19 deaths is now slowing, the number of new deaths for the week ending on April 5 was still more than double that of the week before.

A leading cause of death in the United States: Several weeks ago, coronavirus deaths were few in comparison with other causes. But last week, reported U.S. Covid-19 deaths were just shy of the normal rate from heart disease, usually the leading cause of death. [This week, the Covid-19 death rate exceeded the death rate of heart disease]. 

The article notes that the number of people in New York who died with coronavirus last week was more than any other cause of death, as many to 76 percent more.

Deaths Overstated?

Once again the pandemic illiterates are out of touch. They accurately note that New York now adds "probables" to the "confirmed" Covid-19 bucket.

OK, the new method attributes a few deaths to the wrong category. 

Unfortunately, there are many times that number of deaths not accurately attributed because of failure to test. Those deaths are attributed to the flu, pneumonia, or nothing at all.

The result is deaths have been dramatically understated.

 Model Silliness

The naysayers point to the badly overestimated initial death estimates. But those 2 million initial death totals presumed there would be no mitigation efforts. 

What clearly has happened is the mitigation efforts worked far better than the models expected. 

Died With Covid

Another argument making the rounds is people died with Covid, not because of it. This ridiculopus argument stems from Italy, nursing homes, etc, where people often had other diseases. 

Here's the reality: If you die in a car crash and had diabetes, you died with diabetes. If you die of Covid and had diabetes, you died of Covid. 

Timeline Context

Please take another look at the above charts. 

Deaths from heart disease and cancer have a known death rate that does not vary much. Hospitals can easily plan for that. 

Hospitals can also plan on set rate of auto-related deaths.

Hospitals were not prepared for the onslaught of a dramatic, sudden rise in Covid-deaths even if these people would have "died anyway" which is the essence of the "died with" silliness.

Fools Rush In

Now that the curves are finally flattening, more on flattening in a subsequent article, the fools want everyone to return to work even though it should be crystal clear that the US is woefully behind on testing.

Three Key Questions

  1. What percentage of people have antibodies?
  2. What percentage of the population are still carriers?
  3. Do we track people known to have contact with carriers and if so how?

The fools don't know, nor do they care about such questions. 

They just want to rush back to work in the ridiculous belief the worst is past.

The Most Important Question

What are the implications of making a poor decision regarding restarting America?

Once again, the fools armed with their ignorant logic, and beliefs about what's going on, just don't give a damn.

Individual Rights

Yes, individuals have rights. 

But contagious individuals who do not give a damn do not have a right to spread disease to everyone on the beach, gym, and grocery store.

Corporations Have Obligations

 Corporations have obligations to their employees and customers. One of those obligations is to have a safe working environment and place to do business.

Corporations who do not give a damn if their employees spread fatal diseases will face a myriad of lawsuits. 

Government Obligations

Government bodies, especially governors, have obligations as well. They need to protect their citizens. 

If and when there is sufficient testing states can make judgments and set proper regulations.

But where the heck are the tests Trump long ago promised? 

Trump's Pitiful Judgement

Meanwhile, Trump's huge rush to judgment to restart America, despite massively overpromising and under-delivering tests is pitiful.

Governors are wise to resist Trump's pressure.

Mish

Comments (214)
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Ted R
Ted R

I'm happy someone with a media presence has taken the time to point out these differences. Personally I can't understand why some people don't or can't understand the difference between the flu and covid 19. Great post.

wootendw
wootendw

"...compare Covid-19 to the flu..."

No, it's definitely not the flu. It's a NEW variant of the common cold or related, possibly modified biologically.

Because it is NEW, no one had any immunity until very recently. People get anti-bodies to potential pathogens as the grow older.

Older, weaker people never got the anti-bodies to covid, so they expired or lived on ventilators. (No idea yet on recoveries - it's a secret!)

The virus is mutating and will do so out of existence within a couple of years.

Self-monitor your health.

PecuniaNonOlet
PecuniaNonOlet

Mish, as usual, you are spot on. In the US, individuals have a right to bear arms but that doesnt include me taking a 9mm pistol and firing shots up in the air or randomly in different directions. Someone walking around with a deadly infection is doing exactly that, walking around with a “loaded” weapon and firing tiny deadly bullets into everone. With all the mass shootings in this country it doesnt surprise me the Trumpnuts apply the same careless logic and philosophy to CV19.

The Hood
The Hood

Jezz Mish,... you're becoming like chicken little. NYC? Detroit? Chicago? The Covid 19 targeting of certain communities covering less than 5% of geographic America is very narrow. And the application these metrics across the board to the remaining 95% of outlying America is what is economically destroying our country and others around the world. Strip away everything something is not and what is left is the truth. #1) The targeting of victims is compelling evidence of a bio-weapon. There is nothing China and world globalist would like better than to euthanize most of Africa. #2) Never let a crisis go to waste. We've been watching, you Mish, have been watching REPO-GATE come crashing down around our ears, yet no one says anything about this economic debacle that is out stripping 2008 by leaps and bounds. I shocked that you would feed into the distraction. Come on man, we're wise to the governors and the FED.

PecuniaNonOlet
PecuniaNonOlet

“1) The targeting of victims is compelling evidence of a bio-weapon.”. It is well known China has nuclear weapons. If they wanted to kill anyone on earth they could do so fairly easily. The fact the infection is reimerging in China mutes this crazy nonsense. Numerous countries over the ages have tried to colonize/conquer africa - they have all failed. There is almost a billion people there with the average age of 15 in contrast to the average age of china or any western country of 40+. A wise master once said “the meek shall inherit the earth.....” and that is not anyone reading this post on this blog if you havent figured it out.

Ted R
Ted R

You are welcome. My pleasure.

numike
numike

this is how you explain covid 19 is not the flu
By now you have probably seen people explaining that, "Actually, the coronavirus pandemic is not much different from the flu and all of this fuss is just a big overreaction."
Or, "More people die in car accidents every year and you don't see us shutting down auto travel, you big bunch of ninnies."
It's hard to know whether these arguments are just partisan bs designed to alibi Donald Trump, or if they are serious beliefs borne of misunderstanding.
For a moment, let's pretend it's the latter.The number most often cited for annual flu deaths is 60,000. This number is a composite. https://mailchi.mp/thebulwark/this-is-how-you-explain-that-covid-19-is-not-the-flu

Isaiah217
Isaiah217

We can’t trust governors or politicians to make wise economic decisions but we can trust them to get it right on the Coronavirus? Makes no sense

Greggg
Greggg

(advance news story from September 2020) Second wave coming... is anybody out there.


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