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Covid-19 Update: Kentucky Calls in National Guard, DeSantis Wins No-Mask Case, More Like the Flu

Microsoft Scraps Return-to-Office Plan

Bloomberg reports Microsoft Scraps Return-to-Office Plan as Delta Variant Rages

Microsoft Corp. is scrapping plans to fully reopen offices by Oct. 4, saying it can no longer give a date for returning to work because the pandemic is too unpredictable.

“Given the uncertainty of Covid-19, we’ve decided against attempting to forecast a new date for a full reopening of our U.S. work sites in favor of opening U.S. work sites as soon as we’re able to do so safely based on public health guidance,” the Redmond, Washington-based software maker said in a blog post Thursday. “From there, we’ll communicate a 30-day transition period that provides time for employees to prepare.”

The strategy is similar to one adopted by fellow tech giant Apple Inc., which has delayed its own return-to-office plans multiple times. It has told employees it will give them a one-month warning on a return deadline as it copes with Covid-19’s delta variant, which has led to a resurgence in cases.

Delta Will REmain the King

The Wall Street Journal reports Covid-19 Virus Variants Mu and Lambda Unlikely to Supplant Delta

Delta accounts for 99% of new Covid-19 cases in the U.S. and roughly 88% of cases globally, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Nextstrain, an open-source pathogen-tracking service. Virologists expect Delta to outcompete new variants of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, including Lambda and Mu, in their hunt for people susceptible to Covid-19.

The scientists say new case waves would likely be driven by Delta and its sub-variants rather than a new virus lineage. That’s because Delta has evolved to be so transmissible that other variants can’t keep up with the pace of its spread. 

Some virologists believe that the Delta variant evolved to maximize transmissibility and that its ability to spread rapidly will eventually reach a ceiling as more of the global population gets vaccinated.

F.D.A. Warns Parents Against Getting Children Under 12 Vaccinated

The New York Times reports F.D.A. Warns Parents Against Getting Children Under 12 Vaccinated

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is “working around the clock” to make Covid vaccines available to young children, it said in a statement on Friday. In the meantime, however, the agency urged parents not to seek out the shots for children who are under 12, and therefore not yet eligible for vaccination.

The available vaccines, none of which have been cleared for children under 12, may not be a safe or effective dose for young children, the agency noted. Pediatric clinical trials, which will help determine the right vaccine dose for children under 12, are still underway.

Unvaccinated Americans are 11 Times More Likely to Die of Covid

Three studies that drew data from different U.S. regions evaluated the protective power of the vaccines. One looked at more than 600,000 virus cases in 13 states, representing about one quarter of the U.S. population, between April and July, and concluded that individuals who were not fully vaccinated were far more susceptible to infection and death from the virus.

They were 4.5 times more likely than vaccinated individuals to become infected, 10 times more likely to be hospitalized, and 11 times more likely to die from the coronavirus, the study found.

‘See you in Court’

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Florida Wins Mask Mandate Freeze

Bloomberg reports Florida Wins Mask Mandate Freeze

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can enforce for now a ban on school mask mandates, a court ruled. Earlier in the day, President Joe Biden reprimanded Republican leaders for fighting rules on face coverings and other Covid-19 precautions in schools.

Vaccines for younger children will be reviewed as quickly as possible, U.S. regulators said Friday, amid concern about the infection risks faced by kids. Top health officials believe the Pfizer Inc.-BioNTech SE shot could be approved for the 5-11 age group next month, Reuters reported.

Top U.S. health officials believe the vaccine developed by Pfizer Inc. and BionTech SE could be approved for children 5 to 11 years old by the end of October, Reuters reported, citing two source familiar with the situation.

That timeline is based on the expectation that Pfizer will have enough clinical trial data to seek emergency use authorization from regulators by the end of September. The Food and Drug Administration could make a decision within three weeks of the EUA submission, Reuters said.

Kentucky Governor Call National Guard

Governor Andy Beshear called in another 310 Kentucky National Guard members to help with nonclinical duties at hospitals on top of more than 100 already deployed. “This shows that every hospital is bursting at the seams, that they desperately need help and that we are a state full of more desperately sick people than we have ever seen,” he said Thursday.

Kentucky’s Republican-controlled House and Senate held veto override votes that blocked Democratic Governor Andy Beshear from issuing statewide mask mandates, shifting that power to local government units, such as school boards.

Covid-19 Could Become Like the Flu if More People Get Vaccinated

The Wall Street Journal reports Covid-19 Could Become Like the Flu if More People Get Vaccinated

Covid-19 may become a routine illness like a common cold or the flu one day, virologists and epidemiologists say. But it will take a lot to get there, and the ferocious spread of the Delta variant that is filling hospitals again shows how treacherous that path could be.

The supercontagious Delta variant has made the virus virtually impossible to get rid of. It has fueled surges in cases across the globe, even in countries like Australia that had largely kept the pandemic out.

Among the most contagious of known disease-causing pathogens, SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, is now zeroing in on people who haven’t been vaccinated, pushing hospitalizations and deaths in some places in the U.S. to their highest points yet.

While surges are easing in some states, cases are rising in others. Delta is moving the world toward immunity against the virus at huge cost. With every new infection it is raising the risk of incubating a variant that might spread even faster, sicken with greater ferocity or evade vaccines.

“This virus will never leave us,” Catherine O’Neal, chief medical officer of Our Lady of the Lake Regional Medical Center in Baton Rouge, La., said during a long recent day caring for Covid-19 patients. The hospital is in its biggest surge since the beginning of the pandemic.

When or even whether Covid-19 settles into that status depends on how many more people get vaccinated and how soon, said Adolfo Garcia-Sastre, director of the Global Health and Emerging Pathogens Institute at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York. “The more people who are vaccinated, the less problems there are going to be,” Dr. Garcia-Sastre said.

To stop spreading, the virus needs to run short of people susceptible to infection. It has a long way to go. About 2.3 billion of the world’s 7.8 billion people have been fully vaccinated, according to Our World in Data, a project based at Oxford University. About 1.1 billion people have been infected, some epidemiologists estimate.

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Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Here’s an excellent article about what the vaccines can and can not do, about the frequency of breakthrough infections, and what they are apt to be like. It mirrors my experience, though my case was somewhat more mild than the authors:
The key is that, while your upper respiratory tract may lack protection, and you may get cold-like symptoms, it is less likely to give you lower respiratory problems, which are the ones that lead to hospitalization and long term breathing issues. I mostly had cold-like symptoms, fatigue, a headache, some fever, and I lost some sense of smell and taste. I did not have any breathing issues, and my VO2 Max is essentially unchanged.
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
I would caution the readers not to take SARS-CoV-2 lightly even if they are vaccinated. I know the vaxxed crowd thinks they can go back to normal and spread the virus willy-nilly. Losing sense of smell and taste is actually a serious neurological problem.
This article debates the both sides of the scientific community, the one that says there is neurological impact, and the one that says there is not.
When this occurs, I tend to take the worst case into consideration. This is what precautionary principle stands for in medicine. Guilty until proven otherwise. To me, the fact that the vaccine does not reduce the loss of smell/taste is a big disappointment. And then there is this….
The European Union database of suspected drug reaction reports is EudraVigilance and they are now reporting 23,252 fatalities, and 2,189,537 injuries, following COVID-19 injections (27 countries).

From the total of injuries recorded, almost half of them (1,076,917) are serious injuries.

Seriousness provides information on the suspected undesirable effect; it can be classified as ‘serious’ if it corresponds to a medical occurrence that results in death, is life-threatening, requires inpatient hospitalisation, results in another medically important condition, or prolongation of existing hospitalisation, results in persistent or significant disability or incapacity, or is a congenital anomaly/birth defect.”

To put this in the context, the number of side-effects for Covid vaccination is 50% of the side-effects recorded for ALL >5000 drugs/vaccines in the database COMBINED and which were administered in the entire 2020. This is really the WORST and most DANGEROUS vaccine/drug created in the recent medical history.
The same statistical signal is given by the Swiss medical authority in a separate article.

The https://www.admin.ch/gov/de/start/dokumentation/medienmitteilungen.msg-id-84976.html of the Swiss regulatory authority, Swissmedic, dated September 3, 2021, cited 2161 serious reported side effects. For comparison: In 2019, the last period with reliable comparative figures, Swissmedic recorded “77 medically important events and 19 events with serious consequences” throughout the year.

In the eight months or so since the vaccination campaign began, the serious side effects have increased 114-fold. Projected over the whole year, the increase is actually a factor of 171. Some 867 serious side effects occurred after the mRNA injection from Pfizer/BioNTech, and 1239 after that from Moderna.

In order to understand the comparison with other vaccines, we must know that in 2019, 1.2 millions doses of influenza vaccines were administered in Switzerland to a population of 8.5 millions. Considering that flu vaccine can be given starting from 6 months, this will give a coverage of 15%. If we multiply by 4 to get to the current Covid-vaccine coverage in the country, we would divide 114 by 4 and this will result in about 30x severity ratio. Thus, the Covid vaccines are 30 times more prone to serious side effects than the flu vaccine. This is the sad reality of this new technology. I wonder, if the flu is not 30 times more severe than Covid, if the mortality rate is only 2-3 times worse than flu, then WHY ARE THE VACCINES 30 times WORSE than the flu vaccines?
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
I will try a response to the question myself. It is an educated guess.
If one reads the argumentation written in a Moderna study of the mRNA in the pre-pandemic world, the reason for inventing and pushing this technology is to create a tool/weapon against the future killer virus that will put the population at risk. This new technology would workaround the classical technology of inactivated viruses which is slow to react to the menace, is more expensive to create, test. But the key idea was that the virus is truly a killer, with mortality that was recalled in that paper to be 20%, similar to the original SARS. That is why such radical technologies were tried for Ebola (using adenoviruses).
The medical world elites were scared of the initial reports of case fatality ratio in Wuhan. And although EU, for example, launched multiple funding arms for various technologies, including inactivated viruses, the mRNA is clearly easier to manufacture, no questions about that. But looking at the Sinopharm vaccine, we can see that the classical vaccine was not really behind in terms of availability.
The manufacturers also aimed for very high efficacy rates because the disease was scary, at least the media impact. What they deliberately hide was that despite their claimed efficacy, they did not accurately tested the trial participants for asymptomatic infectious. Only the Oxford trial did. Pfizer and Moderna, knowing from animal trials that nose swabs would be positive, they did not weekly tested the participants. Only if they showed symptoms. And the Oxford trial showed that their vaccine would only protect against infection as low as 2% (VE) against asymptomatic cases. Later, it became obvious that with the waning of immune response, the symptoms will occur which is what we see today with boosters.
Bottom line: the vaccine platform was chosen in order to fight a more formidable killer virus than we actually face. All the drawbacks of the platform were kind of known or should have been expected by design which explains the severity of the side-effects. Some of the knowledge was acquired later (e.g. the spike itself is the toxin responsible for COVID, not the virus, thus Moderna having higher dosage of mRNA, is responsible for 2.5 more heart inflammations than Pfizer, says FDA).
The sad part is that this seems to be the selected technology in the very short term. https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210913-uk-cancels-covid-jab-contract-with-franco-austrian-firm-valneva    The inactivated virus platform is gone. And the population continues to be the testing ground.
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
PPS: I will double-down with this reference too about neurological disorders caused by SARS-CoV-2 infection. The article says
Participants were studied between three and six months after COVID-19 infection. More than half showed persistent problems with forgetfulness, and roughly one in four had additional problems with cognition including language and executive dysfunction. These difficulties were associated with persistent problems in smell function, but not with the severity of the original COVID-19 disease.
Okay, it is fair to say the scientists are still working on it. But they say that neurological impact is associated with loss of smell function, and it is not associated with the severity. This is what worries me a lot. You don’t have to be in ER to have a likely neurological impairment going forward. Will mild cases also cause this? The claim that vaccine will make SARS-CoV-2 like a flu is a morbid joke if a mild Covid in vaccinated will lead to miles of Alzheimer patients in a few years.
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
In an outstanding revelation, the Atlantic, this nest of Russian trolls, admits the VA hospitals are full with lite Covid patients.
One has to wonder….. why were those patients hospitalized? Precautionary measures? When Biden cries that hospitals are full, are they really full? Or people were intentionally hospitalized in order to manufacture a “crisis” that will justify the executive order to mandate vaccination?
“The Atlantic had formerly called Covid hospitalizations “the most reliable pandemic number,” last winter. Now, after a nationwide study of hospitalization records was release, the publication is walking back its fervor on that statement. 

Researchers from Harvard Medical School, Tufts Medical Center, and the Veterans Affairs Healthcare System took on the task of trying to figure out how serious Covid cases were in those hospitalized, and how many people counted as Covid hospitalizations were actually in the hospital for Covid, versus getting a Covid test after being admitted for something else. 

The study “analyzed the electronic records for nearly 50,000 COVID hospital admissions at the more than 100 VA hospitals across the country,” The Atlantic wrote. It “checked to see whether each patient required supplemental oxygen or had a blood oxygen level below 94 percent” in order to try and determine if cases met the NIH’s threshold for “severe COVID”. 

What the study found was that from March 2020 to January 2021, 36% of Covid cases in the hospital were mild or asymptomatic. From January 2021 to June 2021, during the Delta variant’s spread, that number rose all the way to 48%. For vaccinated hospital patients, the number rose to a stunning 57%. 

As The Atlantic put it in their own words: “The study suggests that roughly half of all the hospitalized patients showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021 may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had only a mild presentation of disease.”

Corvinus
Corvinus
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
Imagine that <eyeroll/>
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
Publishing the URL for your excerpts would be helpful.  Thanks.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
This is a surprisingly honest article for an establishment narrative megaphone like The Atlantic!  I was disappoint in the final closing paragraph though where we get the usual modern journalism conclusion of ‘on one hand’ but then ‘on the other hand’, which is mainly useless for the average person.  
But the study also demonstrates that hospitalization rates for COVID, as cited by journalists and policy makers, can be misleading, if not considered carefully. Clearly many patients right now are seriously ill. We also know that overcrowding of hospitals by COVID patients with even mild illness can have negative implications for patients in need of other care. At the same time, this study suggests that COVID hospitalization tallies can’t be taken as a simple measure of the prevalence of severe or even moderate disease, because they might inflate the true numbers by a factor of two. “As we look to shift from cases to hospitalizations as a metric to drive policy and assess level of risk to a community or state or country,” Doron told me, referring to decisions about school closures, business restrictions, mask requirements, and so on, “we should refine the definition of hospitalization. Those patients who are there with rather than from COVID don’t belong in the metric.”
The article also doesn’t talk to the number of breakthrough (BT) infections that resulted in hospitalization.  The NYT had a story 3-4 weeks ago that BT’s ranged from 12-28%, depending on state.  The CDC published an article covering May-July for the LA area where BT’s that resulted in hospital admission was 3.2% (deaths 0.2%) for the fully vaxxed and 6.2% (deaths 0.5%) for partially vaxxed.
SARS-CoV-2 Infections and Hospitalizations Among Persons Aged =16 Years, by Vaccination Status — Los Angeles County, California, May 1–July 25, 2021
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Cornell has a vaccination rate of 95% in the Ithaca campus. And yet the Covid is rampant this fall compared to last year.
In the month of Dec 2020, during the peak of the wave 3, there were 113 cases from Dec 1 to the last day of the month.
In this fall, starting Aug 23, there were 480 positive cases with 95% vaccination rate. This proves beyond any doubt that vaccines DO NOT prevent infection. In 3 weeks, 1% of the campus population got infected (mostly students, much less the faculty and the staff). This pushed the head of the uni to mandate masks indoor for all population, vaccinated or not.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
There was an interesting WSJ piece about a month ago, that explains the mRNA vaccines only give some kind of internal immunity that doesn’t work in the nasal area, which results in vaccinated people capable of spewing large amounts of virus out through their breathing.  I honestly don’t rally understand how this works at this point (looking fo r more reading materials) but it does explain what we are seeing such as the continual spread of the virus even with relatively large numbers being vaccinated.  
So they want people to get the shots to prevent serious illness (supposedly but which isn’t true) while these vaccinated people can wantonly spread the virus to others, bot vaccinated and not.  If so, is vaccination with mrNA/DNA technology really the answer?
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Follow Your Nose to Herd Immunity
The biology behind ‘breakthrough’ cases and the confusing CDC mask guidance.
By Michael Segal
Aug. 16, 2021
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s latest Covid guidelines have many Americans confused. Vaccinated people are supposed to resume wearing masks, lest they contract and spread the virus. Yet unvaccinated people are still strongly urged to get the shots, which are said to be highly effective. How can both these claims be true?
The answer is that there’s more than one kind of immunity. Internal immunity protects the inside of the body, including the lungs. This occurs by release of antibodies of the Immunoglobulin G type, or IgG, into the blood and production of T-cells. Vaccines injected into our muscles are highly effective at stimulating internal immunity. This largely protects vaccinated people from being overwhelmed by the coronavirus, unless they have an immunodeficiency or are exposed to an unusually large amount of the virus. Vaccination will dramatically reduce your likelihood of serious illness or death if you’re exposed to SARS-CoV-2.
In contrast, mucosal immunity provides the first line of defense by protecting the nose and mouth, and by doing so also reduces spread to others. The mucous membranes secrete a particular form of antibodies of the Immunoglobulin A type, or IgA. But vaccines injected into our muscles—including all the approved inoculations against Covid—are largely ineffective at stimulating the secretion of IgA into our noses that occurs after actual infection with a virus. As a result, vaccinated people can contract a Covid-19 infection confined to the mucous membranes. They may get the sniffles but can spread the virus to others even if they are asymptomatic. That’s why it makes sense for them to wear a mask under some circumstances.
All this has implications for public-health authorities’ determination to achieve herd immunity through vaccination alone. In the Provincetown, Mass., outbreak, which informed the CDC’s recent change in guidelines, viral loads in the nose were “similarly high” in the vaccinated and unvaccinated, suggesting that the vaccine’s efficacy against infection in the nose had fallen to zero with the advent of the Delta variant. That would mean herd immunity through vaccination is impossible.
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Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
This is good news. At least we know that natural immunity response is doing it’s job. So many people get too comfortable thinking modern medicine has all the answers. So much so that medicine is now 21% of GDP and growing.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  CristiC
So, you’re saying that the breakthrough rate is very low?  That’s a very surprising post, coming from you.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
I posted the article to call attention to the [supposed] two different types of immunity, which I have not heard stated as clearly before.
I don’t know where you are pulling the conclusion about breakthrough infections.  I see no mention of that in the article.
P.S. Breakthrough infections are soaring.  One of the reasons they are soaring in that the vaccine shots don’t kill the virus (at least in the nose area), allowing them to mutate there (they don’t just hang out chillin’) which then spreads to others through their air expel.
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
It’s quite amusing when you see all these propaganda pro-vax, happy happy pieces in the media. But when you look at the actual data, you see a very different story. Since the US isn’t collecting breakthrough data, we need to look at other countries to see how ineffective the vaccines are. Israel, with an 80% vaccination rate, has hospitals and ICUs filled with Covid patients, most of them fully vaccinated, and they’ve never had more cases than they do today. Deaths are rapidly rising too. In desperation they are giving people 3rd shots and now planning to start 4th shots.
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
exactly….
For so many I’ve followed here for many years claiming to be data-driven, Israel is the closest to the real deal. The CDC has turned into a political party
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
We know the vaccine wanes over time. There still weren’t enough vaccinated people in Israel to not keep the hospitals full. 
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago

Professor Dame Sarah Gilbert, the designer of AstraZeneca’s vaccine, told La Repubblica, “If you can’t prevent transmission by vaccination and the children are not at risk of severe disease and hospitalisation and death, which the vast majority of children are not, you have to ask yourself: ‘What would be the benefits of vaccinating children?’”

And….

Mark McDonald who is a prominent psychiatrist and has a very prestigious practice in California, said this in a recent conversation:

“Pandemic of the unvaccinated” has emerged as an expression of propaganda meant to provoke anger toward those who exercise medical choice in deferring or refusing the experimental vaccine. It is meant to isolate, shame, and humiliate anyone who will not agree to surrender medical autonomy to the state. It intentionally divides Americans against one another while simultaneously distracting attention from the medical reality of poor vaccine efficacy and vaccine harm. The expression is devoid of scientific meaning but full of coercive psychological power. It must be challenged.

WarpartySerf
WarpartySerf
4 years ago
USPS  exempted from forced “vaccinations”       Unions > science
US Congress and staff – exempt from  mandatory Covid vaccinations 
US Judicial System and all staff – exempt from Covid vaccinations.
Gee     I guess just the” little people” are the forced clot shot experimental subjects.
China style
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  WarpartySerf
Well, make everyone but those who run the government and those top 1% who have the luxury of not having a boss take the shot.
Back in the science fiction days, one would ask how possibly could the Gates Foundation shoot up everyone in the world to reduce the global population to 500 million the Georgia Guide-stones targeted?
I wonder indeed 🙂
I love fiction, but then again, I cut my teeth on hacking Windows back when it was conspiracy to think the NSA had a backdoor to the Windows OS 🙂
JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago

For those interested, John’s Hopkins Personalized Covid Mortaity Risk calculator:

My personal result:
COVID-19 Mortality Risk Calculation

Based on the information available from pandemic projections in your state of residence, the tool estimates an absolute rate of mortality of 0.7 (95% CI: 0.4 – 1.2 ) per 1000000 individuals in subgroups of the population with a similar risk profile to yours during the period of 09/11/2021 – 10/01/2021. This estimate is calculated based on the CDC’s https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/forecasting-us.html mortality forecast data.

JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
PS About 1/3 of all people in my county are not vaccinated. Assuming that most people in my county are younger than me (I’m 54), and likely healthier than me (I am immunocompromised, as factored in by the tool), most of my neighbors have a risk of Covid issues even lower than mine. So the President is threatening to throw up to 450000 of my neighbors out on the street who all have a Covid risk of less than 1 in 1000000? Really?
JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
Final comment — due to the high population density in Orange County, CA it is likely that a good chunk of the unvaccinated have already had Covid and recovered, so have roughly the same immunity profile of those who who were already vaccinated. Throwing up to 450000 people out of their job who have done no harm and likely can do no harm due to their immunity profile is some Dark Ages witch hunt kind of decision making coming out of Washington, D.C.  No one should be burning witches where there are no witches. Blanket edicts that are not regionally tailored are wholly irrational.
Corvinus
Corvinus
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
The thing that gets me most is all of the people, some of whom comment on this blog, that seem to actually be wishing death (are at least indulging in some morbid schadenfreude) on their neighbors just because they don’t see eye-to-eye on this issue – in order to ‘teach them a lesson’. It could be personal bias but it seems to me that it’s an attitude that’s far more common on the ostensibly ‘pro-science’ side of things.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Corvinus
This is very true!  This crap is everywhere on virtually every MSM comment board, even the NYT, the former bastion of respectability. Don’t believe me? Here’s just one sample URL. Go to it and click on the box with the comment number in it, which will open the comment window. Start reading.
The fear of Covid and contagion by the unvaccinated is palpable. Thanks MSM!
So many calling for the unvaxxed to die, to lose their health insurance, to be fired and made homeless, to be denied access to everything, to have their health insurance premiums doubled, to round people up and forcibly apply the shots, to put people into internment camps until they comply, etc. It’s freaking insane!
I hope someone is trapping these comments and preserving them for the future.
To me, it just feels like there is something on the verge of exploding, that there is too much pressure building up. One more Covid surge might tip the scales to mass rioting. Or perhaps a mass killing at a vax center?  Time will tell.
JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
It eill be called a hysteria in future history books, assuming history books are still around in the future.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Last week, the FLCCC interviewed Sue Dickenson. Dickenson had been a Covid patient in a hospital in New York State, who was at the point of only a 20% chance of survival, according to the doctors. Out of options, a  daughter asked the doctor to treat her mother with Ivermectin and was refused. She had heard about Attorney Ralph Lorigo, who had gotten a court order, to treat someone else with IVM. Lorigo got a court order directing the hospital to treat Dickenson.
According to the daughter, she got the prescription and delivered it to the hospital, which claimed two days later, that they lost the IVM and couldn’t acquire any to replace it. Lorigo had to go back to the judge on the weekend- fortunately, the judge made himself available, and ordered the hospital to obtain IVM and treat the patient. The hospital, which previously said they couldn’t obtain any, managed to do so, upon further court directive. Imagine that.
The daughter said the doctors were astonished at the improvement, after the IVM was administered. 
Call_Me
Call_Me
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
The case of Jeffrey Smith in Ohio is an interesting one, although that phrasing is macabre as a person is clinging to this mortal coil.  Nurije Fype survived and recovered, so investigating these types of cases, genuinely, would appear to have scientific merit.
Whatever one thinks of this particular drug, it would be wonderful if the whole ‘horse deworming’ trope would be cast aside.  Ivermectin is a drug approved for human consumption and some people are advocating for an off-label use.  Conflating that with people using drugs formulated for animals is disinformation, even if a handful of special people consulted their veterinarian for their supply.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
I think you’ll find this interesting:
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Studies show N-Acetyl Cysteine supplement can possibly protect patients against COVID-19
March 16, 2021
Perhaps the NAC i have been taking regularly for the past couple of years is acting as protectant against Covid?  But you better lock in a supply of NAC before the FDA totally bans it to consumers.  Amazon has removed all NAC products from its website.  I just picked up 1kg of powder. 
Brochacho
Brochacho
4 years ago
If the gov was serious, they would ship every house a box of daily at home rapid tests.  In 3 weeks this thing would be nipped.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Brochacho
You don’t really believe that, do you? Many people would have use them, but most would just discard them.
Dean2020
Dean2020
4 years ago
Most countries have embraced alternate treatments, which have been proven to combat COVID effectively, while we squabble about vaccines as the only treatment and focus on high-risk (mostly obese) COVID patients as evidence to be vaccinated. COVID causes blood clots, that is known. Obese individuals normally have high cholesterol and a weakened immune system due to lifestyle choices. Blood clots + cholesterol coted circulatory system = disaster. 
My family contracted COVID and is very healthy. Even though we are at low risk for complications we immediately took Ivermectin and recovered with mild symptoms that didn’t last more that a few days. I feared COVID when I did not understand it but since I now know what it does and how to treat infection that fear has diminished. 
Our politicians and pharma are feeding off this fear and not allowing the public to be educated. Politicians are just a bunch of government workers that normally would not be employable outside of the public sector. No way I’m banking my health on their guidance, especially since I was employed in the public sector for over 17 years. 90% of them are worthless yet the sheep continue to pick a side and follow them.
Fact: There is no long-term research done on the current vaccines since long-term has yet to exist. This lack of good science results in hesitancy, which should be expected by those that understand historical results of reckless science.
Fact: The world will never reach herd immunity so we need to co-exist with it and learn to deal with infection instead of simply fearing it.
Fact: We need to move past March 2020 like the rest of the world has already done.
There have been countless treatments for various conditions over the years that were recalled years later due to harmful effects that took time to discover.
I hope we don’t find out in a few years that the spike proteins that have been detected in the blood stream for 10 days, cross the blood/brain barrier and bind to cell walls throughout the body don’t cause long-term harm. Research on the spike protein lifecycle inside of the host has only begun. Stay tuned for the results of this massive experiment!
Corvinus
Corvinus
4 years ago
Reply to  Dean2020
Indeed, yet to some in the self professed ‘pro-science’ camp the long history of adverse side effects of big pharma drugs is simply shrugged off. Many people are hesitant because there is no confidence in big pharma – and justifiably so – yet Shedlock and some commenters here keep bringing up ‘Bill Gates implanting microchips in your head’ and other lunacies as if that’s the main reason people are skeptical and hesitant. It’s just seems intentionally dishonest to me. 
I would understand if we were talking about a drug or treatment with a long track record and a clearer understanding of the long term side effects but for a new technology? No one should be forced to take it when there is no such track record. 
So go ahead, usual suspects, call me whatever names that inflate your smug self-righteous ego. But if at some point we actually do start to see long term negative health consequences because of this ‘vaccine’ then all of your mea culpas, apologies and admissions of error (not that there would be any in any case) will not be worth a hill of beans to those affected.
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Two of the messages in this update I find to be debatable.
1) That Covid could become like flu if people vaccinated. WSJ (who else, propaganda)
It will never happen. One only needs to have a reasonable understanding of what influenza and SARS-CoV-2 do on the human body to stop issuing this garbage nonsense. SARS-CoV-2 is NOT influenza. It has a much more circulatory effect due to affinity for the ACE2 receptors. And when you will get a breakthrough, for instance because your immune system is busy with an UTI, the Covid will kill you, even if you are vaccinated. The number of commodities is what today kills a Covid patient, thus this proves that the immune system is overloaded.
To fight this pandemic, mankind needs to stop transmitting it. And leaky “vaccines” which are actually only immune system boosters are not a good tool for this.
2) The CDC study ended on July 17 when the 7-day average of infections was 31K compared with the peak of 160K in Sep 2021. So, the CDC study that finds whatever…. conveniently ends its observation window BEFORE ANY DELTA WAVE hits the vaccinated population. HOW CONVENIENT? Can we get an update to the study?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
“Delta accounts for 99% of new Covid-19 cases in the U.S. and roughly 88% of cases globally”
——–
This is just media/medical supposition.  PCR tests aren’t able to do distinguish virus variants.  To do so requires more extensive and expensive lab work, so is rarely done. 
Don’t believe everything you read.  Much of what is written/reported on is just like the game of telephone – one person somewhere said something and then it started to get passed around as everybody hunts for more clicks/views until it becomes accepted fact, even though it might have just been a guess  based off of some 20 -part question by a journalist.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
They don’t need to sample every test to know what is going on. All they have to do is to sample a statistically significant number of infected people. Just like in political polling, the results will have a margin of error. Would you feel better if the sentence read “Delta accounts for 99%, plus or minus 1%, of US cases”?
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
I’d like to see proof on how many samples have been sent for deep analysis.  Post here if you find anything.  I doubt the number is statistically meaningful but I’ve been wrong before.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Yes. An indication of variance would sure be nice in many, many situations.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that the CDC is as politicized as the Dept. of Justice/FBI, or any university faculty. Over the years, competence has dwindled, and while the institution is not yet incompetent, bias toward the norm has restricted critical thinking. Instead of debate and dialog, group think and intellectual laziness set in.  A simple example is the six-foot separation distance–never based in science!
I think this is where we currently are with Covid, based on the apparent disparity of research and a constantly changing narrative.  The end result of impotent, self-aggrandizing public servants who really do not know how to stop Covid:–‘do it because I said to.’
Yooper
Yooper
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
This is a good resource to follow the mutations
Genomic epidemiology of novel coronavirus
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Juan Chamie, a data analyst who researches pandemic trends, made a prediction about the unfolding U.S. Delta wave as the weather cools; people move indoors, and school reopens. “Fall and winter in the highly vaccinated states in the north,” he said, “is going to be catastrophic.”
Only early treatment can stop it, he told me.
 
Time and again, Chamie has documented ivermectin’s impact on dozens of outbreaks: In Delhi, Uttarakhand, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh in India; in parts of Peru, Paraguay, Colombia, Argentina and Brazil; and in Panama, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Slovakia and Indonesia. Ivermectin reduced
hospitalizations in Mexico City up to 76 percent, while a door-to-door campaign obliterated it in the state of Chiapas. These trends, just after organized efforts, are no coincidence.
Robert W Malone, MD
@RWMaloneMD
“For those that don’t know, Peru did a massive campaign with ivermectin in last half of 2020. The mortality dropped 14 fold over 3 months. A new president came in – and stopped the campaign. And deaths rose 13 fold over the next month.”
Ivermectin made the difference.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
“Unvaccinated Americans are 11 Times More Likely to Die of Covid”
Only because they are forbidden early outpatient treatment. That is an important fact left out of the headline.
It is not Covaxxed vs uncovaxxed, it is Covaxxed vs no early intervention treatment for the uncovaxxed.
That is a violation of the doctor patient relationship by the public health authorities.
Dr. Brian Tyson, MD 
@btysonmd
I cannot believe I have to say this:
“If you do not want early treatment for COVID-19, do not ask for it.  However, do not prevent others from getting it just because you don’t agree.”
Its not about politics or vaccines.  Its about treating sick people!!  Let us treat the sick.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
So the ‘vaccine’ is safe for a 12-year-old, but not safe for a child who is a day away from turning 12? You have to wonder why one day makes so much difference?
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Arbitrary cut off ages are used for a lot of other things as well – marriage, driver’s licenses, tobacco and alcohol purchases etc.   Nothing unusual about that.
Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
“Some virologists believe that the Delta variant evolved to maximize transmissibility and that its ability to spread rapidly will eventually reach a ceiling as more of the global population gets vaccinated.” This is got to be one of the dumber statements I’ve seen. Current vaccines only slow the delta variant infection rate, they do not stop it. An accurate statement would be “the death and hospitalization rates from the Delta variants are greatly reduced by the current vaccines, and we are hoping like h$!! that mutations in the Delta variant line either do not escape the vaccines or key on and become enhanced by the anti-bodies produced by one of the vaccines(ADE).”  
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
….in the meantime Covid cases in South America are dropping spectacularly, miraculously even….omniscient deities are scratching their heads over it …the same is happening in India where 3/4 of the population is now blessed with natural immunity … It is becoming more obvious by the day; the more you jab the more vulnerable you ll remain, fckn up your natural defences, creating more variants….and that s exactly what Big Pharma and Big Pharma lobbied a$$holes love!   I d say to the handful of Holy Vaxxine worshippers here, buy more candles boys, you ll need them, just like your sacred jabs ! 
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
If cases / effects are dropping spectacularly in SA, that’s really good. But, keep in mind that Latin America, in general, has been hit spectacularly by Covid. The world’s Covid epicenter. They have nowhere to go but down. Just take a gander at Peru’s overall death rates for the last year and a half.
When postmortem time comes, it may be interesting to contrast South America and Equatorial Africa.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Data from the UK and Israel tend to be better (more differentiated and complete statistics).
Data from PHE show that in the current period (4 weeks) ending sept 5 the rate of infections among the vaccinated is higher than among the unvaccinated in the 40-69 age cohorts. (Rate means infections/100,000 within the vaccine status group, so without baseline fallacies).
There is little scientific data to claim that vaccination (with the current ‘leaky’ vaccine) stops infection & transmission; it was not claimed at any time by the producers, nor has it come to light in subsequent data. The practice of exempting people with proof of vaccination from testing is completely unfounded, and fosters asymptomatic spread. Travel restrictions make no sense whatsoever when all kinds of exemption carve outs are added.
The current experiment in serial passaging of a virus in human hosts while changing the immune selection pressure is fraught with risks.
There is little scientific/evolutionary rationale for thinking you can vaccinate away an epidemic, or vaccinate it into a benign variant.
Previous veterinary campaigns do not support lack of risk.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
From the very source you just quoted, the very same web page:
“Several studies of vaccine effectiveness have been conducted in the UK which indicate that a single dose of either vaccine is between 55 and 70% effective against symptomatic disease, with higher levels of protection against severe disease including hospitalisation and death. Additional protection is seen after a second dose. There is now also evidence from a number of studies that the vaccines are effective at protecting against infection and transmission.”
and
“The latest estimates indicate that the vaccination programme has directly averted over 143,600 hospitalisations. Analysis on the direct and indirect impact of the vaccination programme on infections and mortality, suggests the vaccination programme has prevented between 24.4 and 24.9 million infections and between 108,600 and 116,200 deaths.”
I think we all understand that if most people ARE vaccinated, and breakthrough infections ARE occurring, then as the numbers of the unvaccinated dwindle in comparison, the numbers of infections among the vaccinated will at some point be a higher percentage  than those among the unvaxxed. This is fully expected, and you are plenty smart enough to know that.
 The vaccinated are still 10X less likely to end up in hospital and 10X less likely to end up dead. 
Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Well said although I suspect currently the Delta R0 is maybe only halved by the existing vaccines. Once the populatation mix of vaccinated and those that have had Covid or both reaches the point where the R0 is under one we s/b good. To Webej’s point I am concerned about the high likelyhood of selection pressure further reducing the efficacy of the vaccines and ADE is a very real risk albeit much lower. My gut tells me we are a lot closer to the end of the pandemic and covid being endemic than the data Mish presented above. Here in SoCal we are back to behaving mostly normal other than most still wearing crappy, ineffective masks. We’ll know this winter during flu season.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Jackula
Keep in mind that ADE was seen in a vaccine for SARS that used the Poxvirus vector (which was the one where all the ferrets died), and a small ADE effect was seen in a vaccine using attenuated whole viruses. No ADE was seen either in a SARS vaccine based on adenovirus, nor in a DNA vaccine to produce S-proteins. Since no one was willing to pay to continue testing those latter two choice, the research went on the shelf in 2009, and remained there until 2020, when a sudden need for it arose. Many companies produced SARS-COV2 vaccines in a hurry, all based on the earlier research against SARS, and avoiding the types of vaccines that had issues with ADE.
Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Yes, why I chose the J & J vaccine for myself and recommended to friends.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
“Who’s wrong, Who’s right?”
This latest post seems quite balanced to me.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
“The vaccinated are still 10X less likely to end up in hospital and 10X less likely to end up dead. “
Only because the unCovaxxed are being denied early onset outpatient intervention. So why are the uncovaxxed being denied early treatment, when there are early treatment therapies that work? It is a crime against humanity.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Your point about shifting numbers misses the point. I very carefully stated that it was the rate, so divided by the number of people in each bucket, and not the numbers themselves (as more people land up in the vaccine bucket).
Everything you say is about hospitalization and death, although the numbers from Israel are already reversing on this in some age cohorts.
As for studies that show less transmissibility, this is weak evidence, which is why the manufacturers have never claimed it. There a lot of studies that do not control for confounding trends and variables. The collapse of the curve in cases from January onwards preceded any significant effect from vaccines, and is therefore coincidental, as was the concomitant collapse in R0: seasonality remains the most important variable in infection waves, but it is one of many.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
@Eddie_T, Realist and PecuniaNonOlet,
Thanks for your all posts and being the voice of sanity and reason. Keep posting and fighting the good fight . Best wishes to each of you.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
LOL !  ASINUS ASINUM FRICAT !  …never been more appropriate….
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Unfortunately this topic is just another example of how the world works when social media drives public conversation.
Rule by idiots, because there are just so f***kin’ many of them out there, and they all have a bad case of Dunning-Kruger.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
It has been my experience that government works according to the Peter Principle, with mediocre levels of creative and critical thinking; but what would I know. That said, a large part of vaccine resistance is due to fundamental distrust of liars like Fauci. Anyone with reasonable intelligence should be flabbergasted to know that  he still works as Biden’s chief medical advisor.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
This is not about ‘sanity and reason’.  It is highly politicized, (no different than global climate change, immigration, etc)  reflecting different values and beliefs, which drive perceptions and interpretations.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
This is for the reading impaired group. Texas Dept of Human Services…..a state agency, not a media outlet.
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Thanks
Added to the post.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Well, “Dept of Human Services”?   A socialist and communist organization?   You expect us to believe that??!!    LOL

Give it up.  You can’t convince the obtuse, especially the ones who are deliberately so.

Esclaro
Esclaro
4 years ago
Anyone who imagines that Greg Abbott will not be re-elected knows nothing about Texas. Only white people vote while the minorities (who are actually a majority) suck it up and try to please their white masters. Huge slave mentality among the Latino population here. 
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Maybe but it keeps getting closer every 2 years. Very reminiscent of California in the early 1990s.  Being in Dallas this week it feels more like LA. The traffic, the smog, the construction, the heat, the sheer number of people. Republicans are dying at a rate of 8 to 1. That is a huge difference that will have an impact. 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Esclaro
So what does that have to with anything other than how dumb Texas voters are?  You don’t have to show me that. I’ve been observing it for decades.
I’d say the governor’s chances depend on how bad COVID gets this winter. Low COVID numbers and low voter intellect (including some hispanics) favor his tactics.
Right now his popularity is at 41%  and dropping. We shall see. 
Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
When driving by the local Covid Test Center; I see people lining up like fly’s in front of the screen door with something good cooking on the stove. It seems like the worst place to go if you don’t want to catch what someone else thinks they have.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
In Texas this week and glad I dont live here. Now looking for a way to get my parents out. My mom was fortunate to get a bed in a hospital last week for a tumor removal. These hospitals are already 90% full. The next step for Texas will be deaths at home and places outside of the hospital. My dad saw a few people collapse at the ER door entry when he brought my mom in.  Fortunately they have separate buildings for hospital admittance for covid and non-covid but the ER is the same. 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Expect to see more stories like this one, coming to your town if you live in Texas.
“Galveston County mom says 4-year-old got fever in middle of the night, died from COVID just hours later”
Meanwhile, our Governor and Lt. Governor and our often indicated but not yet convicted AG just keep digging a deeper hole….which will turn out to be the grave for their political ambitions….and a mass grave for kids too, unless we get lucky.
CristiC
CristiC
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
“Thursday, the Galveston County Health District has said Kali was the first COVID-19 related death of a child in Galveston County. Medical examiners, also on Thursday, determined the cause of death was from COVID. However, Friday, both the Galveston County Health District and the Galveston Medical Examiner’s Officer said that they would not count Kali’s death as a Covid-19 death in the until the autopsy was completed. John Florence, the Lead Investigator at the Galveston Examiner’s Office confirmed that the autopsy began Friday at 1pm.”

KPRC reached out to the Galveston County Chief Medical Examiner to determine why a cause of death was confirmed before the autopsy was completed and has yet to hear back.

KPRC also reached out to Kali’s mother who said Friday that she called the ME’s office and the office told Harwood something else.

“[They told me] she did die because of Covid, but they are doing an Autopsy to see if there are any underlying medical conditions that could have caused her to go so fast,” Harwood said.

“I did not murder my daughter,” Harwood (the mother) said. “There are people getting vaccinated that are still getting Covid and they can still spread Covid.”

The mother is right. A vaccinated mother that goes and contracts Covid, will have passed the virus, even if asymptomatic. A mother kisses her baby on face, on hands, the kid then puts those little hands in the mouth, in the nose. The infection is guaranteed.
TheWindowCleaner
TheWindowCleaner
4 years ago
It’s a public health issue….a national/international public health issue. Get vaccinated and don’t be a russian disinformation influenced bot, ethic-less right wing pol pawn and narcissistic idiot. A sign that you’re scientific is you’re able to recognize actualities and priorities and willing to act on them. 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Left side of the IQ curve here, folks.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
De Santis’ rallying cry of letting parents make masking decisions for their own kids might win him a few votes from the Trump base, but ultimately he’s cutting his own throat politically…as is Abbott here in Texas.
There are people keeping track, like the Florid Education Agency.
So far, just since school started, for Florida:
200K positive tests among kids K-12. 116K positive tests among pre-K.
(compare with only 21,500 college students and faculty staff positives, for some idea of just how bad this is)
14% positive test rate for kids.
10 dead kids since school started….
46 dead teachers or staff since school started
1200 classroom closings.
21 school closings
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
FEA is the largest teachers union in Florida.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
So you think they’re faking the deaths and school closures and positive test results, Doug?
 I don’t.
Sorry, but I’m glad the damn teachers union is tracking the data, since De Santis is trying as hard as he can to sweep COVID data under the rug and keep whistling in the dark.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Eddie. I am saying that it is not a neutral source and the page itself says it is not up to date. I and many others use the official site of the CDC which gives figures that up to date and in much detail. The figures for Florida are date of death and not date reported which is used by many other states. If I want to see the whole picture I will go to the CDC. They have been at it for many decades and they are good at it. I distrust figures from any organisation whose main business is political. 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
CDC isn’t tracking school closures and staff/teacher/student deaths by state, and you know that. 
“Not a neutral source.”
Deaths are deaths. More kids are getting sick and more kids are dying, and the numbers are changing rapidly,…..and it’s very hard to find perfect sources to quote.  I posted the best data I could find, since the governor of Florida (who is not a neutral source either)  is not putting up the numbers of kids dying weekly from COVID since school started. Take it up with him.
Feel free to refute the numbers I posted by posting something more definitive from the CDC. By all means. 
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T

The page you listed gave 47 deaths
of teachers. There are 171,000 teachers in Florida so it shows that teacher
deaths are way below the Florida average. I suspect that they have not been
updated and if they are not then teachers should be happy that their deaths are
way below that of other groups. More kids are getting without a doubt but that
is true in other states also. It is the virus infecting the groups that are
left. I have a daughter who is a doctor and is exposed just as much as you
every day. Another one has a husband who is exposed every day also so I share
your concern. 

 

The CDC has not said it has a
problem with Florida’s figures and has never said that the state government is
hiding deaths. The state has corrected the CDC a couple of times when they had
reported deaths by when reported and not when the date died and the CDC
accepted the corrections with no objection. Many other states book when died
and not when reported because it is more accurate. I get it that you do
not like republican governors even in states that are not your own but to say
that the governor has the power to hide deaths and infections from the CDC is not
realistic. The CDC has lots of means that do not depend on individual state
offices to get their data. They have been at it for a long time.

 

Numbers do change rapidly but why would
you think that a teachers union would have better numbers than the CDC and that
if one had a choice between them that you would go for what most people would
see as being the lesser source? 

 

Last of all the CDC site develops
the statistics in every way one could wish for so if you give me the specific
figures you want to discuss then you give them to me and not the other way
around because I do not know which parameters worry you the most. The latest
figures of child deaths from covid in Florida stands at 17 as of today. About
46,000 people in Florida have died from Covid since the beginning. That
includes over 36,000 seniors aged 65 and older. 17 children deaths is terrible but
one must put that against the fact that there over 4,300,000 children under 18
in the state.

The CDC site is here and it covers the world:  https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailycases Eddie.
If you want to discuss any of the data there then please feel free to do so. 
Respectfully,
Doug 
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Have you read what I wrote?
numike
numike
4 years ago
Lets move on to this: The Fed Is Deep in Uncharted Waters. Danger Ahead. https://www.barrons.com/articles/fed-economic-policy-powell-inflation-51631120497
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  numike
Monetize and keep going like Japan. Anyone who thinks this cant go on for a long time hasnt looked at Japan closely. 
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Japan hasn’t had nearly the inflation the US has had, for the past 30 years. The BOJ has tried to steal as much as it could for the benefit of it’s coquetry of Tokyo more-than-equals, and certainly succeeded stealing a lot. But nothing even close to what The Fed has managed to steal for it’s army of value destroyers over the same period. Condo prices in Tokyo, is only now starting to approach early 90s levels. In San Francisco, they have quadrupled. Huge difference.
Hence why  lots of Japanese companies are still, despite the best efforts of the BOJ, internationally competitive and competent in competitive fields. And the median productive Japanese, still live better than his average Congolese counterpart. Which is no longer all that certain, wrt the median American.
Denver1
Denver1
4 years ago
Be careful with the DNC and Dem Governor quotes.  They can sabotage the credibility of your other snippets.  Worldometer data this AM shows 7 day average for daily deaths and daily new cases down every day for the past week or more in Kentucky. 
You really need to pull up India data for the past year and see what happened with the first country with Delta identified, a country with one of lowest vaccination rates in the world and one of poorest health care systems.  They followed the bell shaped curve like everyone else did for COVID.  It’s always easy to get hysterical when exponential increase on the left side and to fall asleep when  exponential decrease on the right side of a bell shaped curve phenomenon. 
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Denver1
The curve dropped precipitously after the introduction of ivermectin.
Except in Tamil Nadu, where they blocked the use of ivermectin.
Curious-Cat
Curious-Cat
4 years ago
The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject. – Marcus Aurelius.
We have become a nation of intellectual narcissists, believing that only we are correct in our view of the world, rejecting out of hand evidence to the contrary. This is not a formula for solving complex problems. The rational world is less and less important, and magical thinking is broadly on the rise. How can that possibly be good? I wish I was as certain of anything as many of your readers are of everything.
rktbrkr
rktbrkr
4 years ago
I agree that covid might get knocked down to a more lethal flu type illness if more people play ball and get vaccinated. The key words here are MORE LETHAL and IF.
The other possibilities are that it stays at this level and we have several financially and socially disruptive surges each year that permanently depress the world economy.
Worst case scenario is more contagious and much more lethal variants develop and we have a Maltusian crisis, a third world die off of the unvaccinated. I haven’t heard any scenario where we can vaccinate the full world population of 8 billion or whatever in a reasonable time span. An India type event spinning totally out of control with a black death type death rate.
The advanced world will stay protected in a high vaccination rate bubble and the rest of the world will suffer a die off. Will wealthy older people in advanced counties be willing to give up their vaccine protection so the limited vaccine supplies can be given to younger third worlders? A global voluntary vaccine triage?
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  rktbrkr
Any examples for the idea that vaccination will knock it down to a milder version?
Veterinary applications with vaccination during epidemics show that changing the evolutionary selection pressure promotes worse variants, because the vaccine protects against the costs to worse variants. Vaccinated will have less breadth in variants, because of selection pressure on the original wild type.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
The idea is that all versions will be milder if one is vaccinated, than if one is not. And also that, with sufficient vaccine coverage, even those few who are not vaccinated, will have a lower risk of infection. And if infected, is likely to be so with a smaller initial dose. Which likely matters, at least to some extent.
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
Why milder. Makes no sense to me. Your are confusing milder disease progression with less virulent virus.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
Given that the flu mutates much, much faster than Covid, and given that flu vaccinations are commonplace, and have been for years, why has the flu not morphed into a potent killer?
Call_Me
Call_Me
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Because it wasn’t designed by man?
(not a sarcastic comment, just throwing that out there as a possible reason)
Webej
Webej
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
Flu vaccines exert only a very mild selective pressure on contagious or virulent properties, since they are dispensed to a minority of the population.
It has not been established that flu vaccines have an effect on mortality (that groups who use them live longer than those who don’t), so we don’t really know whether taking them for years and years in a row has costs as well as benefits.
Statistics on respiratory deaths (lots of old folks die from pneumonia) also lack the granularity necessary to reach firm conclusions.
It is not generally believed that the 1918 epidemic (or others) saw important shifts in the prevalent variants.
And don’t forget, it’s always about probabilities and risks. There are always exceptions to statistical trends, and the viability of mutations depends not just on the evolutionary pressure, but also on the phenotypical possibilities of virus & host.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  rktbrkr
But it is the vaccinated that are helping mutations and variants expand!  Stop listening to MSM news.
Anyway, the WSJ article discusses mucosal immunity vs. internal immunity. The author (a neurologist) states that while vaccines stimulate internal immunity, they do nothing to address mucosal immunity. The viruses don’t penetrate the host’s organs, which is why most vaccinated people don’t get really sick. But, the viruses still live and reproduce in mucus-lined mouths and nasal passages. That is why vaccinated people with no symptoms are still spreading Covid like crazy. However, those of us that have recovered have both mucosal and internal immunity.
Also read this for scientific details:
thimk
thimk
4 years ago
Not a good time to seek medical attention for anything . My  local gym has seen a reduction in attendees . In my small circle of  friends,
4 adamant non vaxers were stricken with covid 2.0 . One obtained monoclonal antibodies to recover . The other 3  decided to tough it out with 1 week to 4 week recover periods. One still has problems with taste and smell.  Desantis  has established state sanctioned clinics available through out Florida for the sole function of administrating monoclonal antibodies which IMHO seems they way to go once if you are infected .Results are seen in a day or 2 .     Stay safe its a jungle out there. 
        
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
4 years ago
Over the past decades the number of hospital beds per 100K population has decreased. And due to quitting, there are too few nurses to tend to all of the existing beds. The obvious solution is to pull all of our troops from overseas so medics and nurses can set up temporary facilities for the COVID-delta surge. This also helps patients seeking help for serious non-COVID issues. Longer term, the number of hospital beds need to be increased. Or at least have the ability to pull them out of storage in a very short amount of time. My hypothesis is insurance companies have driven more procedures to outpatient services to reduce their costs. but never accounted for the risk of a sudden need for inpatient services. Lack of preparation has made our perception of COVID worse than it could have been.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
Well sure.  Hospitals don’t want to keep empty beds laying around (it’s a significant added expense) so they try to use a model similar to manufacturing called “Just-in-time”.  That doesn’t work for healthcare.  
When I was in the IT industry, companies would spend millions extra each year just to keep headroom around “in case” because they all have QOS metrics promised to users such as average response time with online systems.  Failure to meet those metrics could become quite expensive to the organization in penalties and paybacks.

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