No Laughing Matter
This post is in response to yet another absurd Covid Tweet by @Carbongate.
“Covid-19 is so deadly that you need testing to see if you have it!”
Third Leading Cause of Death
Please note COVID the Third-Leading Cause of Death in the U.S.
- Thomas Frieden, MD, former director of the CDC, said “COVID is now the No. 3 cause of death in the U.S. — ahead of accidents, injuries, lung disease, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, and many, many other causes.”
- “Last week, Americans were eight times more likely to get killed by COVID than were Europeans,” said Frieden.
- “We’re seeing a roller coaster in the United States,” IHME Director Christopher Murray, MD, said. “It appears that people are wearing masks and socially distancing more frequently as infections increase, then after a while as infections drop, people let their guard down and stop taking these measures to protect themselves and others — which, of course, leads to more infections. And the potentially deadly cycle starts over again.”
I am sick of rampant Covid-19 misinformation on Twitter.
Let’s make Carbongate’s Tweet accurate.
Covid-19 is So Deadly, 175,000 in the US Died From It
Death Counts
- In the US, over 175,000 people have died.
- In the US, Covid-19 is the third leading cause of death.
- In Europe, over 200,000 people have did.
Excess Deaths
Based on 200,000 excess US deaths through July 25, it is safe to assume those totals are huge undercounts.
Fools find this a laughing matter and make inane jokes about it.
For discussion of excess deaths, please see What is the Real Coronavirus Death Toll in the US?
Mish
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Garbage In, Garbage Out.
If you believe the 175,000 death count as fact, you will believe anything.
You probably also believe that politics has nothing to do with various (and wildly varying) State shut-down policies, nor affects any of the counting, nor financial compensation for covid cases over ordinary flu or pulmonary diseases, nor so many reports of false positives. No, you have good clean data in an event that is purely medical and nothing more.
However:
NOTHING the USG publishes is accurate any more, nor has been in decades. The DC system is almost entirely corrupt and corrupting.
Pretty much NOTHING the mainstream press publishes is accurate.
Intelligent analysts like Mish go to hack job disinfo places like 538.com for election statistics, and also to totally corrupt places like the CDC for covid information.
It feels good to trust things and make reasonable assumptions based thereon;
But it’s disturbingly naive to be so trusting these days.
“I am sick of rampant Covid-19 misinformation on Twitter.”
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. This site is nothing but a series of misinformation. An echo chamber for the most woke in society.
Where is your reporting of several studies done on random blood samples taken before COVID19 which show around 50% of all people were immune to this virus before it re emerged. The clues were there from the start. An elderly couple on the diamond princess confined to their cabin. The husband dies, the wife nothing.No virus. No antibodies, Yet she already had immunity. Where is your report on the TCELL testing from random blood samples. I will give you some advice. Spend less time mindlessly bashing Trump and more time being a journalist and seeking the truth because at present you are indistinguishable from CNN.
Mish……I do understand why you have turned “WOKE”. Look at how many comments you get now. As they say “follow the money”
The fastest a vaccine was developed was for mumps. It took 4 years. The average is 10 years. Does anyone really believe that we will need a vaccine 4 years from now?
Certainly not for CV19.
Sweden says no.
Good thing we don’t need anything for covid. Just let people go back to work, give the population prophylactic HCQ + zinc doses for about $10.00 a week each, and stop all this insanity.
That, of course, would be much too easy.
And would also entirely ignore the inescapable fact that there’s an election going on, and an insurrection to foster.
Robert F Kennedy who has spent his whole life litigating environmental issues and Pharmaceuticals and their vaccines for all their lies and abuses and has won almost all of his cases. He also questions the National medical establishment and their direction on Covid quarantine …..which he states that far more people will die from the quarantine than Covid itself. This is Roberts latest interview done by Ron Paul.
Ummm…
Is this the same Robert F. Kennedy that is pro-disease as far as vaccines are concerned? Of course he would be on the side of Covid 19 spreading…that’s what he stands for.
I think your confused of what he has fought to change. Do your own research on all the law suits he has won against injustice.
647,000 Americans died in 2019 of coronary artery disease. Makes Covid 19 look like a rounding error. Stop the fear mongering .
So assuming the full year number for Covid ends up around 200k (probably low, but I’ll just roll with that), how does 30+% end up being a rounding error? Unless you’re exceptionally bad with numbers…
We get it. You are Team D. So why, again, did you move our of the (D) mecca state of IL? Come back and be part of the fair share taxpayers (they’re SO low!)
Road sign–“Ice on Bridge–Slippery!”
Drivers slow down and and fewer people end up in the ditch.
Do you say, “The sign is lying, I didn’t end up in the ditch. I’ll drive even faster when I see that sign again because I didn’t end up in the ditch!”
Death rates reflect changes made.
Prove the death rate if no precautions taken.
Brazil? Peru? Iran? In a class of our own?
I feel sorry for you because you still don`t get it.
“Prove the death rate if no precautions taken.”
Sweden?
graph up top would look better on a per capita basis
It seems the population is unaware of a few simple truths, like you don’t need a mask when hiking alone on the Appalachian Trail, avoid enclosed places with infected people, like nursing homes, bars, and restaurants.
Ha! I see people driving in cars alone with the windows up and the air conditioning on wearing a mask. Talk about being indoctrinated!
Franklin templeton had an interesting piece on people’s fear of COVID vs actual mortality rates by age
Pretty clear that the media and dems trying to hurt Trumps chances for re-election have successfully panicked the population for ratings and political gain. Personally also think the gerontocracy running the country is making decisions based on their own risk rather than thinking about what is best for everyone.
The virus is a significant risk for older people but the wholesale lockdown is absolutely the wrong way to address it based on the actual risks for the vast majority of people. I fear Mish will accuse me of not caring about old people but the facts are clear, at risk and older people should be on lockdown, not the entire population.
There is definitely some motive, there’s no logic to this lockdown. The numbers are so far out of whack, less than 0.1% of the population has died from this and the majority were over 65. A tragedy but think about that…0.1% justify’s 40-50m job losses? and loss of liberty? the kids can’t go to school? there’s gotta be more going on. some other motive.
2.5+ months ago even I realized this isn’t justifiable and they needed to open up the economy. Craziest thing is some people believe this is all a good idea and necessary.
Trump had a win-win position in February. In a Covid world, there was no way for him to lose the election. All he had to do was act Presidential, and take Covid seriously. Any damage to the economy would not have been his fault. If Covid turned out to be serious, he would win. If Covid was no big deal, he would win. Instead, he opted to abandon the win-win position, and take the lose-lose position, for reasons only he knows. Instead of taking it seriously, he said “it was completely under control” and that “poof, it would vanish on it’s own”. It wasn’t, and it didn’t, so his approval rating tanked.
If he loses the election, he can’t blame Covid, and he can’t blame the media. He has only himself to blame.
Amazing the power of the press, the corrupt health institutions and medical establishments eh? You can get people to believe almost anything. Trump’s hugest mistake as President was approving a shut-down for more than 15 days (which itself was stupid) and then to allow the press and the ‘experts’ to bully him into listening to their total BS. He almost lost his base on that, but when they saw the mayhem unleashed in June, which is clearly politically motivated and targeted against them and their way of life, they came back to him.
So you are 100% wrong in your analysis. The people who feel like you would never have given him credit for anything anyway. But those who supported him he almost lost by doing what you say he didn’t: taking it seriously. He took it way TOO seriously and the country has taken a huge hit, potentially wiping out the very small business sector for years.
Huge mistake.
After saying that it was completely under control and that it would vanish on it’s own, his approval rating went into free-fall, as you would expect, and it didn’t stop falling until mid-July when it suddenly dawned on him that he should stop hitting himself with a hammer. Since he started taking it more seriously in July, his approval ratings have risen a bit, but not nearly enough to make the election close. In the end it still remains to be seen the final impact of Covid on the election. Given that he will get all the blame for the extremely poor response to Covid by the US, if deaths tick up in October, he will most likely lose big, while if deaths dry up, or at least don’t get worse, he has a chance.
I heard you the first time.
Just disagree, that’s all.
There are many in Trump’s camp who feel the USG dropped the ball on Covid by buying what has clearly been primarily a false flag in order to push a political goal, albeit well disguised as a ‘pandemic.’
The point is not to argue whether or not such a viewpoint is correct. Given the horrific levels of corruption and bias in USG and press, there is no way of knowing. It’s a judgment call.
Some people are terrified of the virus and feel everyone should stay home no matter how many lives are ruined by a crashed economy, businesses lost forever, and stress-related chronic illnesses sky-rocketing.
Some people feel that some sort of middle approach is appropriate.
Many others feel the whole thing is an overblown politically motivated psy-op and it’s high time to get real, get practical and stop all this tomfoolery.
You might be in more or less one of those camps. But it seems you have a hard time understanding opinions that differ from your own.
My guess is that you are of the liberal persuasion? That seems to be one of their defining characteristics: intolerance of opposing views along nowadays with attempts to cancel them altogether.
No matter: we’ll see how it all plays out in November once the election goes into a state of unresolvable dispute with both sides accusing the other of cheating the election. Civil war is the goal of the current treason-laden insurrection movement. Most reasonable Dems are unable to see this is what they are supporting (and probably won’t support it once it starts impacting their own lives more). But this is where things are headed. Since the Republic is currently unable to hold an election whose results will be respected, it is now broken.
So much for MAGA. We are witnessing the death of a once very progressive setup with a creative checks and balances system. It has failed. Will the citizenry pull together to rescue it and/or reform it in a good way? Or will they rather opt for a more top-down ‘totalitarian’ model? This is the civil war the country is now entering, albeit unwittingly for most of its citizens who have little idea what is going on.
Just to be clear, health has for thousands of years been considered a core governmental purpose. In the US system, health regulations have always been handled at a local level, though there has been a fair amount of standardization from place to place. Trump, and the Federal Government, never had any power to impose any national polices. When I said he needed to take it seriously, I didn’t mean he needed to impose any national mandates, only that he needed to treat it as not a joke.
The other two things he should have done, are thing that runs counter to his nature. First, he should have called for unity. Compare his reaction to other, prior Presidents, in national crises. The more typical is to treat them as non-partisan, and to call for the country to unite to defeat the crisis. What better way to make America great again than to unite it, and get all people working together? Instead, Trump’s natural intuition is to divide the country, hoping he has selected the larger half. Sadly, instead, he has slowly cleaved the Republican Party into a smaller and smaller shares, where if you don’t agree with everything, you aren’t welcome, and the Republican Party has gone from the Big Tent Party under Reagan to the tiny tent party today, and thus from a huge majority, to a minority. You worry about the intolerance of opinions, from the left, yet that’s the core problem that has destroyed the Republican Party. If someone doesn’t agree with the party line 100%, they are labeled as a RINO and chased from the party, while the party grows smaller and smaller.
Getting back to covid, the second thing Trump should have done was to have displayed empathy. He could have/should have displayed empathy towards those affected, including those that lose loved ones, those that suffered, and those out of work. That didn’t require him to actually “do” anything to solve the problems. Rather, I’m simply talking about the tone with which he addressed the issues. He could have addressed Covid as a serious issue, called for unity, displayed empathy, and gone and played golf, and he’d be vastly more popular today.
No, I’m not a liberal, and I’m certainly not in the cancel culture. I’m a Libertarian, and first and foremost I value free speech, and I respect the opinions of others. Open and free discussion is essential to a working Democracy. Sadly, the US is in it’s last days, and one of the symptoms of that is the crushing of free speech, and the unending political rancor and hate that we see today. It’s not unexpected, and in fact, is an inevitable symptom of the coming destruction of freedom.
Excellent article! This is going to burst a lot of bubbles. It will be interesting to see how the usual suspects here blubber their way around some kind of attempt to discredit the study and conclusions.
great article, thanks for the link! Unfortunately it’s contents won’t be repeated in mainstream media or social media enough. Hell, even Mish will ignore it!
Everything supposedly covid
Sick of this constant Bullshit!
Smoking causes Covid?
Actually, I did see a study awhile ago that said that nicotine binds to the ACE2 receptor, and thus blocks entry of Covid. Smokers were therefore less likely to catch Covid. However, the flip side was that their lungs were a mess, and if they did catch covid, they were much more likely to die.
I definitely wouldn’t recommend that approach.
Carl, I was being snarky since it sometimes seems that no matter what kills a tobacco user they mark the death down to smoking. Hit by a semi on your bicycle? SMOKING was cause of death if you happened to be a smoker.
Early reports from China in jan/Feb indicated that smokers were at much higher risk of catching covid.
The studies showing improved outcomes for smokers came later:
The high temperature of some inhaled + all the carcinogens kill the virus?
But then again, if you remember about a year ago, we had all those cases of young people with respiratory failure that they wound up blaming on adulterated vaping oils.
I wonder if they were actually early CV19 cases?
I don’t know Jojo but I was damned sick in March for a full 15 days prior to there being any tests ready and I have been sick a couple more times since, each was a laundry list of those symptoms used to describe Covid. And I notice a few weeks ago that my hair is falling out at a rate I have never experienced, then read that one of the post Covid effects was hair falling out. Yet, their finger stick instant blood test says I never had it. So, I question all I have been told so far.
I think it is very possible that there was something in the vape juice causing the real problem, a contaminent.
Look into NAC for hair growth and other positive effects. I take 2400mg daily.
Impressive sounding stuff Jojo, Its oral form can prevent liver damage caused by an overdose of acetaminophen.
Probably three quarters of the acetaminophen I have taken in my life I have taken this year. And that stuff is bad for you.
Thanks for the tip.
NAC is the subject of studies right now as to whether it is a useful treatment for Covid in a hospital setting. When my kids were young, I always kept some around in case they got into the tasty children’s tylenol. Besides the liver protection, it has two potential benefits against Covid:
In the absence of studies, we don’t know exactly how effective NAC will be against Covid, but it is very safe, and has limited downside. It is also readily available, and inexpensive. Note that the FDA has recently threatened to turn it into a prescription only drug, however. I do have NAC standing by, in case I happen to catch Covid.
Another inexpensive and powerful anti-oxidant that you can try is SOD plus Gliadin. Super Oxide Dismutase is our natural anti-oxidant, and levels drop as we age. Taking it as a supplement, however, has been ineffectual because our digestive track breaks it up. Makers who combine the SOD with gliadin (from wheat) claim that it allows some of the SOD to survive digestion, and actually boost your natural SOD levels. I don’t know if this is true. As a warning, do not take this if you have celiac’s disease, since gliadin is exactly what people with Celiacs can not process.
Good luck fighting your illness off. By the way, you might want to look around for support groups for “longtermers”. You are not alone. There are many people who have struggled with Covid on and off for months. Those people might be able to tell you things that have actually helped them.
Graet Information Carl Thank you!
This is primarily why I began to take it a couple of years ago. I used to have knee issues but don’t any longer and I typically jog/hike 25 miles/week.
12 September 2018
An antioxidant might lead to new therapies for bone arthritis
RE: “Note that the FDA has recently threatened to turn it into a prescription only drug”
That should tell you all you need to know about the Pharma industry’s concerted efforts to protect its expected vaccine profits even at the cost of lives … just as their complicity in the opioid “epidemic” made it clear that they are perfectly happy addicting and killing however many people it takes to juice their profits and line their pockets.
All reasons why the “small government minimal regulation” folks are either fools or complicit themselves … they ignore that human nature is ultimately problematic … that the love of money is the root of all evil … and that when a large percentage of corporations qualify as enormously wealthy and powerful psychopathic “persons” being led by a large percentage of very wealthy and powerful psychopathic persons, letting them run hog wild is not an acceptable option.
Business “Ethics” these days makes all true ethics subservient to its Prime Directive of Profit at any cost…to others.
This is not the first time the FDA has wanted to turn NAC into a prescription drug. According to the rules, it technically should be one. It’s all about how it was used first. NAC was never used as a nutritional supplement until after it was used as a pharmaceutical, back in the 60’s, so technically it should never have been a nutritional supplement in the first place. In the past the FDA has never put much effort behind making into a prescription drug, and the probably won’t this time.
Thanks for that information. I didn’t know what the rules are but it seems reasonable that something sold OTC for decades with minimal or no issues presents no logical reason to turn it (back?) into a prescription drug. The FDA should show the evidence of real problematic health issues or just leave it alone. And the question that needs to be answered by the FDA is: Exactly what put this on your radar now?
I agree. It’s been a safely used nutritional supplement for decades. What put it on my radar was a press release by the FDA questioning whether it should be one. I doubt they will do anything about it, but you never know.
I just think there is too much evidence piling up that the number one priority of the FDA has become protecting Pharma Co profits before protecting the health of Americans. Some might argue that has to be the case in our economic system, but I think that is despicable if true.
I agree that the FDA is controlled by big pharma. That doesn’t really pertain to the questions on NAC, though. Even if it was a “pharmaceutical” and not a “nutritional supplement”, it would be a generic, and thus a little to no profit item.
But wouldn’t it make it more difficult for people to get NAC? NAC is considered to have some good properties in dealing with the respiratory/inflammatory effects of COVID-19.
Even if it happens, at the rate things happen in Washington, it would take years, by which time Covid will be long gone. More likely, though, the idea will just die before it ever gets that far (and then someone will bring it up again in 15 years, and the same thing will happen).
Well yesterday was my last day of isolation. Mild case few days of low temps. Fams fine. Im in the tourism industry. in northern ca. This yr Mostly customers from southern ca /South east us/ tahoe and any other hotspot( dont feel safe go somewhere else.)A good number with stories about someOne they know/work with/distant family etc in hospital or worse/. They still went on vaca though. Im lucky the co i work for put measures in place/ limited possibilities above county requirements and took a big hit business wise for the greater good Of customers and employees. I was good about distance/ mask/sani etc. still got it but measures in place to contain it. Ive had two weeks to ponder. My conclusion is to be as safe as you can avoid it as long as you can. Still expect to get it at some point.
As we see schools university’s countries etc open up its gonna spread. that how it works and human nature is just helping it along. Be safe
FYI, beware of this new member Fast Falcon. He just replied to me on an old thread that the Trump admin didn’t embrace Goldman Sachs like Obama did (Steve Mnuchin, Gary Cohn, Steve Bannon, Dina Powell, Jay Clayton, and Anthony Scaramucci don’t count???) so bear that in mind when talking to him. This is definitely a guy who has no qualms playing fast and loose with facts.
Hydroxychloroquine and zinc would have prevented that.
Possibly this also:
Budesonide for CV19
OPDM … said no one.
Met with my dad for the first time since the start of the pandemic yesterday to celebrate his 80th birthday. In a park, all distancing and wearing masks. He didn’t even get to hold his two-month-old granddaughter. But the red velvet cupcakes I made were phenomenal, if I do say so myself.
An implication of the age-distribution of deaths from COVID is that those with elderly family members (which is everyone, of course) should be especially concerned that they are never exposed.
When I was younger and would do things like rock climbing, I decided to not do anything where I figured the risk of death or severe injury was >= 1%. (In hindsight, that’s pretty freaking high.) … For the elderly the COVID death rate appears to be much higher than 1%.
This blog is turning into a Health/Political blog.
What a dissapointment.
You can’t believe anything anymore . . .
COVID is Over-Hyped.
Minnesota when the “Stay At Home” order was put in in late March had two models “by the state and university researchers” here are the deaths predicted (from Minneapolis Star Tribune, March 28).
Do Nothing model predicted 74,000 deaths over entire pandemic,
Stay At Home model predicted 50,000 – 55,000.
Compare the above to, as of today, Minn deaths are roughly at 1,750.
WORST CASE:
At the highest seven day moving average the death count was under 30.
Taking the highest average death daily rate (April and May) for July 1 through end of year there would have been 5,400 (30 daily deaths x 180 days).
Adding another 6 months would make the number 10,800.
CURRENT CASEs:
Using current case of 7 for the seven day moving average July 1 through end of year would be 1,260 (7 x 180).
Another 6 months would put this 2,520.
Bottom line: take precautions, but you do not have to live in fear.
P.S. I don’t do Twitter, and IF I did, I would take with a grain of salt.
Star Tribune article, https://www.startribune.com/4th-minnesotan-dies-from-covid-19-as-cases-rise-to-398/569161662/?refresh=true
It is really amazing the density of some skull bones…
The shut-down was to get a handle on how to progress our way through what was known to be a long-run problem.
The measures that were developed–social distancing, mask-wearing, sanitation etc, have worked to slow the spread where implemented.
The important thing was to slow the rate at which the population gets sick, so the health-care system can take adequate care of the percentage of people who get really ill.
The responses by the know nothings—it’s not really a problem, it’s just a cold, mask-wearing and social distancing are communist plots, who cares about the sick and ill (“I don’t know any”), only old people get ill and die. Who gives a FF about reports of overstrained hospitals.
And we didn’t use the shut-downs to develop a rational plan of response, we didn’t mobilize to increase production of ppe, standard containment measures are denigrated, and epidemological studies on how it is spread are ignored.
And that is why we have the highest number of deaths and are climbing toward the highest rate of death anywhere in the world. And that is why we have different hospital systems in the country working at the ragged edge of failure.
No one has promoted shut-down forever. No one has said that no one should die ever. The whole point is DON’T ACCELERATE DEATHS AND ILLNESSES.
SLOW THE SPREAD.
even with the pathetic policy, the death rate is still 0.05% total..all age groups.
175k dead, 330m population, 0.05%.
And yet you still don’t understand the kids can go to school and people can go back to work.
talk about thick skulls…
Talk about someone spiking the ball … in the second quarter ..,
SLOW THE SPREAD.
First point on shut-down was to “flatten the curve” so that hospitals would be overrun and get PPE supplies up.
Second point: SLOW THE SPREAD – what does this mean. From what I’ve seen the goalposts get moved here. The stats I watch are: deaths, hospitalizations, and ICU patients. For Minnesota the above 3 stats have been low (considerably down from April/May highs) from early July to today.
How many restaurants and small businesses have been shuttered due to the shutdown.
Agree. If kids get sick, handle this the old fashioned way. Send them home 2 weeks or until healthy. Not that difficult.
Yes, “SLOW THE SPREAD” of misinformation like you offer so much of.
Those with TDS Type II (Trump can do no wrong) are making fools of themselves again.
If Trump promoted masks, distancing, and we had test results in a few few hours, not weeks, then we would not be bickering about lockdowns now.
Instead, we have OPDM, it’s Pelosi’s fault, and Trump is of course brilliant.
For the record, states went overboard on lockdowns, but it was in response to inane testing that took weeks, no tracing, etc.
Even Republican states reversed reopenings after huge outbreaks. That’s clearly Pelosi’s fault too.
If we just stopped testing, everything would be fine (except for dead piling up and filled hospitals)m but who in their right mind cares about that?!
175k is 0.05% of the US population. and all indications are that the deaths and cases will fall as this virus works through the population. thats not TDS II.
“175k is 0.05% of the US population. and all indications are that the deaths and cases will fall as this virus works through the population. thats not TDS II.”
Nope. You’re right, it’s not. TDS II is acting as if that is ‘business as usual’ or ‘no big deal’. We, as a country, do not normally lose that many people to a single illness. If you can admit that, then you can also admit that actually reacting to that fact is not out of line. From there, yes, there can easily be differing opinions as to what should be done – that would be healthy debate. But TDS II sufferers don’t seem to be able to even get to the table to have that discussion.
The reason we have trouble getting to the table to have a rational discussion is because too many people have consumed everything the MSM dishes up and are in a propaganda coma. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not happy with the way Trump has folded to the bought off medical establishment, as it was known early on that Covid was primarily only dangerous to people over 65, and most with preexisting conditions. These people typically dont have jobs, so isolating these people, while keeping the economy open would not have resulted in 15 million people being unemployed and trillions more in interest-bearing debt on the books.
Let me ask you a couple of simple questions:
– do you know who made the initial death projections that caused the economy to be shut down in March? That would be Neil Ferguson, who was funded by Gates, and who said 3 million people would die in the US and the hospitals would be overrun. THAT NEVER HAPPENED, AND HIS MODEL WAS COMPLETELY DEBUNKED. Now places are shutting down again, even though everything is trending down, the death rate remains below 0.04%. Australia has a death rate of 0.0015% and New Zealand has not had a death since May, but they are shutting down again. Why?
– Have you read the “Great Reset” document on the World Economic Forum’s site, or anything that Gates has documented and spoke about regarding his depopulation and Zero CO2 agenda? I’m guessing you know nothing about the green Socialist agenda, or the one world govt agenda being pushed by Schwab, Gates, and Soros.
Please look beyond the mainstream media.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/18/bait-switch-how-theyve-changed-the-covid-conversation/
https://redpilluniversity.org/2020/08/20/engineered-pandemics-tyranny-by-technocracy/
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/economics/the-gates-agenda-control-everything/
If you are not familiar with the “Great Reset” and 4th Industrial Revolution agenda that is being fast-tracked by the Gates’-funded World Economic Forum (WEF), here is a good summary – https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=350&v=X6pzXrEBqR0&feature=emb_title
But 175k people is still no big deal. ~3 million die every single year in the USA. That 175k is a one-time happening.
Mish is to busy fanning the Covid flames of fear to notice the facts.
TDS doesn’t exist, except in the skulls of Trump supporters who can find no other way of defending the embarrassing antics of a wannabe-dictator
the graph up top would look better if it was on a per capita basis , (per 1000 residents of a country)
Mish, you’re implying that not testing, or no lockdown or other govt imposed measures would result in the dead piling up, overflowing hospitals? What is that based on? The only country that has resisted this political / emotional madness of the crowd is Sweden. Do you see ‘the dead piling up and filled hospitals’ in Sweden? Bet you won’t reply as the answer doesn’t suit your position.
The tests they are using are not reliable for CV19 RNA viruses. I’ve posted about this previously. Again:
Testing doesn’t work reliably. Here are a couple of stories.
Jun 27, 2020
COVID19 PCR Tests are Scientifically Meaningless
Though the whole world relies on RT-PCR to “diagnose” Sars-Cov-2 infection, the science is clear: they are not fit for purpose
Torsten Engelbrecht and Konstantin Demeter
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/
Faith in Quick Test Leads to Epidemic That Wasn’t
By Gina Kolata
Jan. 22, 2007
You lost the plot on covid, Mish, which is why you rarely cover it any more. Don’t feel bad: the experts lost the plot too. The idea that Man can really control something that is 100th the size of a bacteria and exists in every square inch of air everywhere you go is as hubristic as the silly notion that we can change climate by distributing funds intelligently collected by a new global tax – or some such.
The virus has gone through and it would have gone through much faster, with less severe cases amongst old people, if young healthy people had kept going to work and socialising as normal. All you cowardly lock-down people have made it worse, cost lives, and continue to wreck the economy.
You are wrong on all counts but in denial.
Probably best if you keep not covering it…
“The virus isn’t going away, but yes, for some reason, you don’t talk about how younger people matter. EVER”
Ever?
Don’t say stupid stuff.
Millennials, the Screwed Generation, Blame Boomers For Making Their Lives Worse
Millennials Screwed Again, This Time on Unemployment
What about the actual stats on the death rate of young people? You are a fear mongering, complicit useful idiot.
Clever misdirection Mish. Those articles are about general millenial v boomers. You have not written about the covid lockdowns affecting the future of young people. You rarely highlight that ~80% of deaths are old, morbid people. Which is what the argument is about.
For one who writes on macroeconomics, you’ve stumbled badly here, basing your position on emotional arguments.
Party on Garth!
Wuhan hosts massive water park party as coronavirus concerns recede
August 18, 2020
Good for them. Things sure didn’t look nearly as upbeat for them, back in February.
Sad that our once-was Land of the Free, yet again has proven so utterly incompetent compared to a bunch of avowed commies, that such gatherings cannot be held in nearly the same safety over here.
Yep, that’s the kind of thing you can do, once you control the virus. As for areas that weren’t able to control it, their economy will continue to struggle for a long time to come.
Looks like they are cured then, right? Not even ONE new case since mid-May! No asymptomatic transmitters left, which I recall you believe in. No vaccine needed. No masks needed.
Can you spell S U C K E R?
Asymptomatic/presymptomatic spread is now believed to account for about 80% of new cases. People who think they are healthy go out and about, and spread it, not even realizing they are sick. Meanwhile, the people who know they are sick stay home, and never infect anyone. How do you stop the superspreaders? One approach is for everyone to wear masks, which means that the healthy, asymptomatic spreaders have a mask on. Even more effective is to bolt everyone into their homes, and not let them out at all. China can do that, but we can’t, and I wouldn’t want to live in a place that can.
As I keep repeating to your and others deaf ears, asymptomatic CV19 transmission has never been proven in a lab. And CV19 has so many apparent effects that it is questionable if there is even such a thing as asymptomatic individuals in the first place. Perhaps these people have some manifestation of the virus but it does not express itself in any overt recognizable form.
SO WHAT ? We are still mortal after all, aren t we ? Should we all ‘happily’ live to be hundred ? The social system, in Europe in particular, is already excessively overburdened as it is …..Who s gonna pay ?
The Tax payer !
“Covid-19 is So Deadly, 175,000 in the US Died From It”
Only if you believe the official statistics. Which will most likely be revised (just like the unemployment numbers are each month) and IMO, downward.
Furthermore, any numbers are for one years only and unlikely to matter much in future years.
Further, furthermore, of all the people I know (and it is quite a lot), no one has contacted the virus, let alone died from it. I was in Lowe’s the other day talking to one of the friendly workers there. Being on the floor, he gets to speak with a lot of people both workers and customers. I asked him the question I often ask others – how many people do you know who have gotten the virus or died? And his answer, after a little thought was one person at work (big store) whose father supposedly died from CV19! Just ONE!
The fear and panic is MSM/blog driven, not reality.
“and IMO, downward”
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Based on what? Your gut?
JoJo You are a fool.
Please tell us where these excess deaths come from.
This should be helpful to answering your question:
“We follow excess deaths which is the most accurate information about what’s going on at that moment, but it can’t tell you what those deaths are caused by” (i.e. people not coming forward with heart attacks etc).
175,000 deaths is about 1 in 2000 in the US. Most people don’t “know” 2000 people. Hence most people won’t know someone who died of Covid. So far. But as of yet, it doesn’t seem as if the spread is anything at all under control in the US. Keep at it for some years, and more and more people will know someone who died.
And furthermore, the only measures with a proven track record to bring it under at least some form of apparent control, is lockdowns and more distancing. Business as pre-covid usual, leads to Wuhan, Lombardy and NYC like conditions
While the virus itself does seem less cataclysmic, and more responsive to less extreme measures than what many originally feared, no place has been successful at turning the tide without rather serious reduction in interaction between people until cases have dropped a lot, such that new regional outbreaks can be contained before they spread out of control again.
I think you are trying to make a point but I can’t figure out what it is. Many people are ignoring the mask wearing or wearing poor quality or poor fitting masks while not maintaining social distancing and yet the death toll is leveling off and or declining in most places. The virus seems to be running out of steam and deaths might not exceed 200k, let alone the millions originally predicted. Sure the death toll is a little higher than a bad flu year but nothing to close down an economy over.
Call it weeding the herd of the weak and old, who are most of the victims. The drug companies are the ones that are really going to be hurting because they lost a lot of patients who were consuming their expensive drugs monthly and won’t be now that they are dead.
I wouldn’t worry about the drug companies. While a few died, far more now have permanent lifetime disabilities, and will be drug buyers for the rest of their lives. That, combined with the horrible American diet assures years of prosperity ahead for drug companies.
Death number will indeed be adjusted. They always are. At the end of every flu season, the CDC attempts to estimate the degree of undercounting, and estimates a multiplier to adjust the deaths by, normally about 5. Thus, if 6,000 deaths were specifically identified as flu deaths, they announce that 30,000 died from the flu.
Covid will be no different. At the end of the “covid season”, probably next May, they will estimate the degree of undercounting, and compute a multiplier to adjust the deaths by. I’m guessing it will come in about 1.2-1.3. Obviously, any time you attempt to count deaths from a specific cause you are going to miss some, mostly people who died at home. In the case of Covid, they are trying harder to count the actual deaths as we go, so the undercounting is not as extreme as for the flu, but it is obviously low, and will be adjusted higher.
My brother agreed with you about this. Unfortunately you can’t talk to him about it anymore.
OPDM
Old People Don’t Matter
I know a crock, but even if true …
… guess who owns the bulk of the assets … and what will happen to economy if they decide to shelter in … rather than spend spend spend in their golden years.
So before you complain and call this just the flu and this is over blown. Take a bit and think about what would the cost of doing nothing. More dead/ fear in the people /social unrest/ etc. a lot of what we see now just prob worse. Its easy to complain when it hasnt touched you and your family yet.
I’m a 64 y.o. dentist treating patients every day, and I take COVID extremely seriously. Our profession might not ever be quite the same as it was….our entire business model (yes we are a business) is screwed in the same way any business that makes profit on the margin is….and I worry about myself and the people who still need to see me…and they do. I have had to take on the crappy government handouts to stay in business ( I was debt free) and it means I’ll probably have to work for several more years than I intended….if I can, that is.
Far side, controversially, potentially :
OPGS
Old people got screwed.
They built a country that did not keep out a virus and did not protect of those older in its care, where the fatalities amongst them were then used to drive a wedge amongst family and control their descendants and society.
OMG MSGE .
When it is understood the virus was managed purposeful, people of all kinds will puke at themselves with no one to blame.
Nasty nasty nasty.
Population did not change that much in the last few years
Regardless, the excess death numbers are indeed population adjusted
Not all excess deaths are Covid related. My guess 80% of them or more. This 20% reduction easily handles alleged “other factors” in excess deaths
I would like to know (okay I admit it: I’d like Friedman to spoon-feed me) the age distributions of said causes. Not to deny danger of virus, but for more context to understand these statistics. Twitter is fertile ground for reifying and abusing statistics.
For starters, what % of the 175k are over 80 years old? In Oregon it is 48% over 80, 75% over 70.
75% of Oregonians that died with/because of covid were over 70?
census says 56k over 70 in Oregon.
Oregon health authority says 408 total covid deaths as of yesterday.
so roughly 300+ out of 56k died with/because of covid in Oregon.
hope this helps give some perspective.
btw Oregon’s population is 3.8 million, for more perspective…sorry I screwed up, census says 4.2 million
still not a good reason to destroy the economy and peoples lives and futures IMO.
Sweden’s economy without a heavy lockdown (but with measures like closing colleges and high schools) declined as much or more as Scandinavian neighbors with tighter shutdowns. The truth is that people began voting with their feet before the lockdowns, and that began to take debt-heavy, Wall-Street speculative economies into recession. And then came the “lockdowns” and closings of restaurants, etc. The economy in the US was primed to tank because of the rampant speculation, low wages throughout, and the lack of investment in production.
Leronlimab may be the “Holy Grail” to cure the virus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-QwvDlF4UU
People make a joke because the response has been insane. The global death rate is 0.04%. In Australia the death rate is 0.0015%, and in New Zealand they haven’t reported a death since May. Yet, they are still locking down their economy again. WHY????
https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/18/bait-switch-how-theyve-changed-the-covid-conversation/
https://redpilluniversity.org/2020/08/20/engineered-pandemics-tyranny-by-technocracy/
Consultant studies show the general public thinkS the virus is much more deadly than it really is, especially with young people, where it is MUCH less than what is thought. WHY????
If you actually factor in the impacts from unemployment and the added debt, THE CURE HAS BEEN MUCH WORSE THAN THE VIRUS.
WHY DO YOU NEVER REPORT THE “GREAT RESET” AGENDA PUBLISHED ON THE WEF WEBSITE, AND OPENLY DISCUSSED BY SCHWAB AND GATES???
More and more people will be learning the answers to these questions, and I hope they know what side you’ve been on, which is not the side of the people..
The aspect not nearly reported enough – long term health problems (not rising to level of hospitalization) of even asymptomatic infected.
Until we know more, need to proceed with caution.
More media FUD with no valid figures yet available to prove anything. Some sicknesses take months, if not years to fully resolve. Check back in 2023 on this question.Until then, it is just BS fear mongering.
haha … you just proved my point …
You cannot be asymptomatic and have health issues. Can be either but not both.
I don’t believe that asymptomatic exists at all.
This one is making the rounds. Captain Kirk: “Bones, when will this covid19 be over?” Doctor Mccoy: “Dammit Jim, I’m an doctor not a politician”
“Dammit Jim, the only ones dying are the random landing party crew”
Just don’t wear a red shirt when you go out in public, and you should be fine.
“Back to school operation in Spain lining up to be a complete shit show. 17 regional governments, two national ministries. Meeting just days before millions of kids, parents and teachers actually have to DO something in real life. Will crash into healthcare and economic problems.” Matthew Bennett
In Galicia regional government wants all pupils over six masked at all times. Teachers not happy either. All coinciding with rapid rise in cases in the country now. Couldn’t be planned better :/ .
Outbreak in South Korea. Which proves we are all screwed.
Why does the outbreak in SK prove anything. Sweden begs to differ. We are all screwed for another reason, They have destroyed the economy and people who can`t think for themselves will never get it.
No, it proves that lockdowns don’t actually work.
There hasnt been a lockdown in South Korea recently.
You have to look at deaths above the norm. I think year over year in the same time period we have more like 250k more deaths. So the numbers are understated
You need to look at the population adjusted (multi-year) trend, not just year over year, since the numbers show marked up and down swings. Even then, your excess mortality could be masked (up or down) by other factors, which are not always clear.
Say it however you want. The excess deaths number adjusted for everything results in more not less deaths.
So long as we have a population who are acting like idiots and refusing to follow the guidelines of the medical community we are going to continue to lead the world in infections and deaths. You cannot blame this crisis on the government, the blame lies 100% with the people. I still see many people refusing to wear masks in public or to practice social distancing. Money and greed are taking president over common sense and death and life long medical problems are going to be the result.
Like the man said, you just can’t fix stupid.