Dot Plot Show Fed Anticipates More Hikes in 2023 to 4.50 Percent

Dot Plot of FOMC participant Expectations

The FOMC press statement was a complete yawner. For discussion please see Fed Hikes by Three-Quarters of a Point, No Surprises

The Fed’s Summary of Economic Projections from the meeting wasn’t. 

Hikes Come Hell or High Water? 

  • The Fed participants have a median expectation of 4.25 to 4.50 percent for the end of 2022
  • That’s another 1.25 percentage points more this year.
  • The Fed then anticipates one more hike in 2023 to 4.50 to 4.75 percent.

I have to admit that a year ago I did not foresee this. But here we are. 

The key question is not where we’ve been but where we are headed. I Highly doubt the Fed hikes another 1.25 percentage points this year or gets anywhere close to 4.50 to 4.75 percent in 2023.

The Fed Perpetually Chases Its Tail

Rate hikes operate with a lag, so multiple things will break at once.

Others disagree but I think it’s a given the Fed makes a rare mistake of tightening too much.

The Fed will once again chase its tail, this time from the opposite end, tightening too much, too fast.

GDPNow Forecast for 2022 Q3 Barely Positive Following Housing Starts Report

I believe a recession has already begun. Regardless, the Fed is hiking and about to double QT smack in the middle of a very weak economy.

For discussion, please see GDPNow Forecast for 2022 Q3 Barely Positive Following Housing Starts Report

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Meremortal
Meremortal
1 year ago
When are people going to come to grips with the fact the free lunch is over, and there’s no getting out of the past govt overspending and giveaways without PAIN. You can tell it’s been a long time since Volker terrorized inflation.
whirlaway
whirlaway
1 year ago
The Fed is doing what the corporations want, which is to break the back of the resurgent labor movement. They will hike rates enough to cause considerable uncertainty on the employment front, which would result in weakening labor power.

But asset prices are not going to take a major hit (as in say, a decline of 50% or more in the stock market) as the Fed would do very little QT except for some window-dressing here and there. And they would signal that they are ready to do QE again if needed (by the asset markets).

MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  whirlaway
The Fed won’t be able to break wages, not long term anyway. Let’s take a look at what is happening in America.
Boomers 1946-1964
GenXers 1965-1980
2023: Boomers Oldest: 77 Youngest: 59
2024: Boomers Oldest: 78 Youngest: 60
2025: Boomers Oldest: 79 Youngest: 61
2026: Boomers Oldest: 80 Youngest: 62 <— 70% of social security recipients take social security at 62.
2026: Gen X Oldest: 61 Youngest: 43
2027: Gen X Oldest: 62 <— 70% of social security recipients take social security at 62.
Starting in 2025 a few interesting things will begin to happen:
1. 70% of boomers will be enrolling in social security and likely leave the workforce.
2. The oldest GenXers will be close enough to retirement at age 60, those that are well off can retire and bridge expenses until they hit 62 and then hit up social security. The sick GenXers can hit up disability.
3. The older baby boomers in their late 70s and 80s will begin dying off but will also require a lot of care in their aging years.
4. Note the overlap of the youngest boomers and oldest GenXers hitting 62 around 2026 and 2027. This is where the harsh pain starts.
Bottom line: The workforce will be depleted in large numbers starting in 2025 and there are not enough replacements. Still waiting on magical robots or magical policies that will fix this mess.
Labor! Labor! Labor! and Inflation! Inflation! Inflation!
radar
radar
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
“70% of boomers will be enrolling in social security and likely leave the workforce” This is not correct, you make it sound like no boomers are currently on social security. I’m guessing close to the same amount enroll each year that they turn 62. Using your 70% figure, 3.88% of boomers will enroll that year (assuming an even distribution over the 18 years boomers were born).
Cocoa
Cocoa
1 year ago
Reply to  radar
Don’t forget about the automation surge. We won’t need 30% of the workforce anyway. Retail, fastfood, shipping, banking, low level services already being pushed to automation or web services only.
radar
radar
1 year ago
Reply to  Cocoa
I agree, but MPO45 is making it sound like we are headed over a cliff in a few years when the actual number of those signing up for social security when they hit 62 should be going down since we’ll be out of the boomer generation signing up at 62.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  radar
That should have said the 70% of the YOUNGEST baby boomers will enroll….and then the oldest GenXers will start.
but social security publishes stats every year and every year for the past few years 5.5 million are enrolling in social security. extrapolate that out to 2030 and tell me what number you come up with….
I suggest you scroll through the link, very interesting info….
radar
radar
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
I agree with you that the problem is growing worse every year. But you stated, “The workforce will be depleted in large numbers starting in 2025.” I’m just not seeing what is starting in 2025.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
When folks are spending all they have on basic food and shelter (and little else) overall demand will decrease significantly.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Your statement is made repeatedly and the statistics show is isn’t true at least not until seniors hit 75. The spending patterns DO change, boomers will spend more on medical and travel but won’t spend that much less that younger groups.
There are statistical tables for everything somewhere, just need to look it up.
dguillor
dguillor
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
And deglobalization has started, which should mean more jobs onshored.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  dguillor
Yes but not enough people to work those jobs unless you import the labor too.
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
And then goes the SS benefits!!!!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
My memory of the last inflation disaster (early 1980s) is the Fed raised rates to the stratosphere to stop it–peaking about 20% at a time when inflation was in double digits. ( link to potomacfund.com )
Since then, the world has largely moved to a ‘low interest rates promote growth approach’. The truth, as we are slowly realizing, is that low interest rates promote inflation and malinvestment. High interest rates (like the 80s) stifle growth–only highly profitable CAP-X occur etc.
What is needed is a rational interest rate that compensates the true opportunity costs of lending. That is, ‘actual’ inflation, a real return (equal to real GNP growth), and a risk premium. For current Fed Funds: 8% + 0% + 0% = 8%. Anything less continues to over-compensate borrowers.
Good luck on projected rate increases to 4.75%.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
The FED will raise rates and then cut at a later date. Obviously. But, I don’t think we’ll see rates near zero for a very long time. I think this bought of inflation has woken them up to the dangers of very low rates. Recessions or depressions are bad, but out of control inflation is stage 4 cancer for a currency. Almost certain death if not brought under control. Look at what’s happening in Japan. They’re hitting the early stages of end game MMT. They finally intervened, but it’s temporary. Their currency is dying.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
We should never see rates near zero. It is a massive wealth transfer from ‘savers’ to ‘borrowers.’
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
Stagflation would be the most embarrassing outcome. Inflation will be crushed.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
THIS situation is much more similar to the post ww2 era of inflation after money printing and borrowing due to the war. the plague we just had was like fighting a war in monetary terms. the 1947 to 50 inflation cycle is where we are today. the FED will be jacking up rates and will be successful in crushing the inflation and the banks will have smooth sailing. it’s what they are in business for. we won’t have a recession. mish got this very wrong. he also missed the fed hikes which powell broadcasted like no other chairman in history has ever done. this past year has been broadcast loud and clear. i listened. and don’t try to make believe i’m smarter than anyone else. i’d rather make money than make believe i’m smart. we won’t have a recession. jobs are strong. inflation humming. and fed will need a few years to crush it down and let the covid war printing press helicopter drops run their course. imho.
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
How do you love living in your fantasy world???
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
I don’t know the Fed will truly contain inflation, too many people are leaving the workforce – Boomers and GenX (the sick and the rich). My thesis is we will have moderate inflation from now to 2035, the real pain starts in 2025. Everyone knows the labor train wreck is coming and nothing is being done.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
Why 2035 and 2025?
With ‘too much money chasing too few goods’, the only ways to contain inflation is deliberate demand destruction, or to expand supply (difficult under your reducing labor force prediction). Ergo, we are left with demand reduction. To achieve it, we must know what causes demand. Primarily, there must be a loss of income/wealth, without reducing supply, which is why Mish sees comparatively little impact on emloyment. I agree.
Now, about that loss of income/wealth… housing takes a deep dive, stock market plunges (dividends&prices)…
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Raising taxes a lot would help with reducing incomes and demand.
We have just the administration to do it.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
SPX might popup and DXY might close < 111 by Fri.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
1 year ago
The Fed will have to keep hiking into layoffs and a recession because it FOLLOWS the bond market. The 60 year interest rate cycle has bottomed and has 18-20 years until the next cycle top. Yields reflect both inflation and default risks. Level of debt are so extreme debt that this rising inflation will force defaults; therefore, lenders will demand a premium to pay for default risk. This is how interest rates can increase as the economy slows down.
techlover
techlover
1 year ago
Reply to  Six000mileyear
Lenders will demand premium rate for default risk. The other side of it is that loan demand will plunge at those rates at least while margins are under huge pressure. Rates may plummet in that case as the lending rate is a delta to the prime rate and that prime rate will plummet if there is a severe recession.
Debt deflation is extremely painful for a credit-based economy. Fed know this very well and they will prevent a debt deflation spiral if they see signs of it emerging.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
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Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish

The greens look fine on my IPad, but if you haven’t used a screen calibration tool these are very good.

Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Friggin’ spectacular. Took a while to load, but worth it. They would make great screen backgrounds
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Well Tony Bennett is right that USD might finally start breaking something. To that end, I opened PUT option positions on EEM. I have been running my own data analytics on EEM for a while now and it is a perplexing ETF. I used data sets going as far back as it made sense. My play is a bit more of a gamble than a data driven analytical decision but too many people are piling into XHB put options distorting the premiums.
I won’t put the strike or expiry info out until I have had my fill. I don’t know how many people are starting to front run my trades. This one I will label: BUYER BEWARE.
I am also laddering T-Bills for now, might do some 2 Year Treasurys at next auction cycle. Choo! Choo! money train moving down the tracks boys….
CRZYHUN
CRZYHUN
1 year ago
Pray tell why the dollar is so strong…and do not say it is because rates are high.
Scooot
Scooot
1 year ago
Reply to  CRZYHUN
The UK and Europe are in a worse mess and heading for a deep recession (if not in one already) because of the huge energy price squeeze and the war. The US have been more aggressive at raising rates, so far.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Reply to  CRZYHUN
Tell me why the earth goes from night and day and do not say it is because the earth rotates.
Winn
Winn
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45
Sun rise in the morning and set in the evening.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  CRZYHUN
High demand for US treasuries. Because of higher rates and they’re the gold standard for collateral. Banks are demanding better collateral for loans.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  CRZYHUN
Smart money (globally) knows where the world is headed and is looking for safety that pays interest. Exchange rates show this clearly.
Matt3
Matt3
1 year ago
I don’t think the Fed can control inflation with rate hikes without significant demand destruction. Between the Fed and the government, both have juiced the demand side. The shutdowns and now the government policy (regulations, taxes and sanctions) have hit the supply side.
Unless something is done on the supply side, we are in for a long and painful couple years.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt3
“I don’t think the Fed can control inflation with rate hikes without significant demand destruction.”
Correct. Federal Reserve made no secret of needing a (growth??) recession to tame inflation.
Unfortunately, history has not proven kind to bubbles deflating gently.
techlover
techlover
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
What the Fed is really scared of is stagflation because it has no good tools to handle that. They can fight inflation and deflation. They have tools for both of these although they are blunt tools.
They will fight tooth and nail to not get into stagflation. That means a safer bet for them is to hike until they see deflation and then cut the rates to handle that situation. Bitter medicine for the economy but it is better than an incurable disease of stagflation in the worldview of the Fed.
xbizo
xbizo
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt3
The Fed still acts like the U.S. is a closed system and that they can control inflation alone. I think they will find it won’t happen because the globe is a bigger place than just the U.S. Asia, India and Africa set to consume a lot more going forward.
Energy and commodity costs are now in long term trend up – offset by technology deflation. 2% inflation only happened with technology deflation and U.S. oil & gas development in overdrive. Part 2 of that equation no longer applies…
hmk
hmk
1 year ago
Completely disagree. With wage inflation the cost push side will be persistent. Also with Brandon antagonizing both the Russians and Chinese WW3 is likely to result with many more shortages causing inflation in material/supplies also.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  hmk
The imminent layoffs will take care of wage inflation.
Matt3
Matt3
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
So layoffs will reduce the wages of the remaining employees? I don’t think so.
Productivity has been bad because businesses are carrying a lot of unproductive workers. The unproductive will be gone but the productive will still be valuable and able to get wage increases.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt3
“So layoffs will reduce the wages of the remaining employees? I don’t think so.”
Your comment infers future tense. Current wages (of the worthy) might stick, but increases from here? No chance.
People will be let go … and rehired at lower wage when the smoke clears.
edit: Comment stands, but did not realize 2 posters. Sorry.
hmk
hmk
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Current wages will be maintained on remaining workforce, correct. This will be reflected in the prices of production for some time to come thats why I think inflation will be a lot stickier than most people anticipate.
techlover
techlover
1 year ago
Reply to  hmk
If demand is curtailed and all the newly hired unproductive employees are let go, overall productivity will soar along with profits. There will be room to cut prices as producers fight for the reduced demand. Some businesses will be forced to shut down as happens in every recession. This is how demand and supply balances in declining demand markets.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
fwiw:
Got an Extra $11,500? You’ll Need It to Keep Up With 2022 Prices
In all of 2020, American households spent $61,300, on average. This number includes everything we spend our money on: housing, food, entertainment, clothing, transportation and everything else. In 2022, it stands to reach $72,900, a difference of more than $11,500 if consumers want to maintain the same standard of living.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
And then The Fed, and its sycophant choir, will pat themselves on the back for “a job well done” if it “only” takes $74,500 to maintain that same standard of living the year after……..
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Demand destruction in 2022 = $11,500 x # of households (about 130 million)
= $1.495e+12
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
I think I remember a “standard” of living from back in my youth.
Things were a bit more stable then.
Not stable with planned positive inflation.
Then again, why shouldn’t everything double in cost every 35 years far into the future.
Nuddernoitall
Nuddernoitall
1 year ago
The FED ate my homework. Futures call for 75 in November and 50 in Dec. I was wrong. (But, that doesn’t mean I can’t prosper from this!)
Columbo
Columbo
1 year ago

It appears that as long as the overall employment picture holds or the market doesn’t plunge from here, it looks like they’re going to hit that 4.5% target. You would think the overall market would have to reset even lower at that rate level, though.

Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Why do they expect lowering interest rates past 2023? Didn’t they learn from the era of cheap money?
Rhetorical question, of course.
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 year ago
This is awfully generous of Mish to say: “I have to admit that a year ago I did not foresee this”
Didn’t the Fed basically do everything possible to make it seem like rates at this level any time in the next year was next to impossible? Anyone who foresaw it would be sticking their neck out like Stretch Armstrong.
Your calls over the last year have been quite impressive and I suspect the vast majority of your readership would agree. Thanks for all the added value.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago

Actually, Mish has been completely wrong about the Fed for 18 months now. And it is nice to see him admit that he was wrong. Though he still has not admitted that the Fed dot plots that he used to ridicule were actually pretty good.

Which brings up the question: why does he continue to ridicule the Fed dot plots when they have been much more accurate than he has been.
One area that I believe Mish has been correct is: the economy is entering a period of slow growth, and possibly a recession.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Fed Dot Plots were wrong for 5 consecutive years
They got one year right.
Looking ahead, I suggest wrong again
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Sorry. I have only been following you for a little over 2 years now, so I can only speak to that time period. However, I certainly believe you that the Fed was wrong prior to their recent successes in prognosticating.
What I do know is that predicting the future is very difficult. You are attempting to do that with the Fed and the economy. And I think you are doing a good job on the slow economic growth thing.
I am attempting to do it, regarding the energy transition that the world is in. And while I have the general direction correct so far, I certainly wasn’t expecting Russia to throw a wrench into the energy transition gears. And I remain surprised at how oil and gas stocks remain so mispriced relative to cash flow and earnings. Predicting the future is tough.
MPO45
MPO45
1 year ago
Mish analysis has only one real problem that I can see – he calls it too early! I think he is calling the Fed hikes too early now as well.
Mish you do great just stop jumping the gun so early!
I think part of the problem is the focus/view is too US-centric. Even though we may be de-globalizing, that will take time and inflation is out of control with virtually every trading partner so it will be out of control here. The best thing to watch for inflation is the tradingeconomics.com global inflation table. Every investor should review that weekly if not monthly.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
The rate-of-change in bank credit began decelerating at the same time as you said the recession probably started, in May.
Bank Credit, All Commercial Banks (TOTBKCR) | FRED | St. Louis Fed (stlouisfed.org)
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
“That’s another 1.25 percentage points more this year.”
Offshore debt priced in $US ($trillions) no likey.
SAKMAN
SAKMAN
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
This is where we should expect to see some fireworks.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  SAKMAN
Yes.
I fully expect US / EU to bend / break rules for domicile entities (ie: taxpayer bailout of sorts) to prevent another “Lehman” … (will it be enough??)
Offshore? Beyond the reach of EU / US? … Chaos

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