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Efforts to Halt the Real Estate Crash in China Will Only Lead to Further Collapse

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  • Very good article on a very worrying (but predictable) trend: “LGFVs are finding it difficult to borrow from banks and institutional bond investors, and are increasingly being forced to offer retail investors high interest rates to raise cash.”
  • Not only is it dangerous to push this very risky type of borrowing down to retail investors, but the rates are so high that even if the money were used to fund very productive infrastructure projects (and it isn’t), local governments won’t be able to service the debt.
  • But before criticizing local governments for dangerous behavior that will almost certainly come to a very bad end, spare a thought for the impossible position they find themselves in.
  • Revenues are way down (and unlikely to recover), COVID-related expenses are up, and they are tasked with delivering enough economic activity to generate unrealistically high GDP growth numbers. To make matters worse, Beijing has imposed debt restrictions on them.
  • So what else can they do? As I have long argued, China’s rising debt burden is the inexorable consequence of a growth strategy that requires GDP growth rates far in excess of what China’s very unbalanced economy can sustainably deliver.
  • A soaring debt burden and increasingly risky debt structures are not bad outcomes caused by dishonest and incompetent individuals. They are fundamental to the way the growth model works.

Real Estate Crumbling

Xi Reaffirms Growth Target That Analysts Say Is Out of Reach

Bloomberg reports Xi Reaffirms Growth Target That Analysts Say Is Out of Reach

Chinese President Xi Jinping pledged to meet economic targets for the year even as the government’s zero tolerance approach to combating Covid outbreaks and a weak housing market put the growth goal further out of reach.  

“This is the first comment from senior policy makers on ‘striving to achieve full year economic targets’ in recent months,” Goldman Sachs Group Inc. economists including Maggie Wei wrote in a note. “While growth recovery appears to have accelerated in June, barring dramatically more policy easing, we think the ‘around 5.5% GDP growth’ target remains extremely challenging this year.” 

China Increases Subsidies and Fiscal Stimulus to Boost Consumption

Also consider my May 30, post China Increases Subsidies and Fiscal Stimulus to Boost Consumption

In contrast to the rest of the world, China and Japan are in stimulus mode.

Debt Implosion

Housing has gone bust but China’s president, Xi Jinping, has mandated a 5.5% growth target that will not be met.

Expect another debt implosion in China. This one will be fueled by interest rates so high that local governments will be unable to service the debt. 

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Lord
Lord
4 years ago
Hello? In the US banks backstopped by feds push our risky loans, then sell sub prime garbage, only to get bailed out. China is doing the same scam, except the government bails out most of its owned corporations. Nothing to see here. This is capitalism at its finest.
GodfreeRoberts
GodfreeRoberts
4 years ago
Our media have been churning out stories like this for 70 years. Not one has ever had legs, and nor do these..
  • Nobody’s defaulting on home loans. They’re exercising their right to suspend pre-payments for homes that were supposed to be ready by now.
  • The world’s largest home lender, Postal Savings Bank of China, said suspended building projects affect only 0.0001%, or $33 million, of its $296 billion home loan portfolio, where average loans are $65,000.
  • Those protesting country folk bought dodgy bank ‘investment’ products for the 1% extra yield. When the ‘investments’ went sour, those simple country-folk blackmailed the government into refunding their money. The majority, with under $2,000 invested, have received refunds to which they are probably not entitled.
8dots
8dots
4 years ago
Buyers are paying construction co in tranches, before each construction stage start, to finance work and material… When construction co stop, or default, buyers own empty shells, rusty skeletons, not finished apartments. They can rot for years, for decades, unless Xi order to blow them up, before starting the cycle all over again.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  8dots
We had a house built in 2017, and we paid in tranches. Standard practice in the United States.
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
4 years ago
How could they ever have thought that this would not end in a huge disaster?
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  Bam_Man
They’ve been doing this for at least 20 years. The units will eventually be filled.
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Most unoccupied units will deteriorate to the point where they become uninhabitable, and thus worthless.
effendi
effendi
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
The units will NOT be eventually filled. I was in China late 2019 and was amazed at the number of empty apartments that I saw (and I didn’t even go to the ghost cities). Their population has peaked and started to decline (deaths outnumber of births plus those who can migrate).
Reportedly 50 million empty apartments, often shoddy tofu dreg construction that will fall down in a few years.
The local governments main source of income is selling usage rights to developers to build more apartments. Construction stops then developers stop buying usage rights for future construction from those governments results in a collapse of local government income. Won’t be able to continue with their current expenses let alone service more debt. They are screwed
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  effendi
China’s population has not yet started to decline. That’ll begin at the end of the decade. Yes, the construction is shoddy, but “fall down in a few years?” I doubt it, at least not on any kind of scale. Also, the population is massively underhoused. I’m in no way endorsing anything they have done — quite the contrary — but the apocalypse will have to wait.
effendi
effendi
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
China currently has slightly more births than deaths and average around 1.2 children per woman (and declining), there is little migration into China, many Chinese are leaving ( or want to leave) China and less are returning. But even if they have not peaked and will do so as you say in 2030 it is still a case that they are within 1% of peak. And it is still a case that there are 50 million empty apartments.
Go watch a few videos by Winston and Milk in YT. Both guys (westerners) lived in China during the boom years and got out in 2019 with their Chinese wives and during their time there they made lots of videos and made lots of contacts. Since they got out they have been able to post more content than they could before of all the problems in China. Bribery and corruption endemic, upmarket houses made with plaster over styrofoam, steel rebars that snap in your hands, rebars replaced with bamboo. One of their videos was of them going to a development just 2 years later and seeing villas falling apart and ready to be condemned.
People poured their savings into those places expecting capital growth. Sucks to be them. Building falls down and you don’t even own the land (all leasehold). People also buy if they have a son. To get married my guide in China told me a guy needs three Cs (car, condo and cash), only problem is many guys and gals there have given up on the concept of getting married.
So yes the flats will mostly stay empty until condemned or fall apart.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  effendi
Brings ti mind a rhyme from long ago.

Ching chong Chinaman
Sitting on a bench

Trying to make a dollar
Out of 99 cents

I guess I’m not cynical enough to think they’d waste resources quite that egregiously. I’ve been to China a couple times, and could fill a long comment about how f’d up it was. But collapsing apartment buildings? Call me names, but that’s just a bridge too far.

effendi
effendi
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Please go watch just a few videos by these guys or others. Do a search on the phrase tofu dregs, then you might be surprised just how shoddy most of the construction is.
Lots of videos show the sides falling off buildings, a number show entire high rises copying the leaning tower of Pisa at best) or ending entirely on their side.
Foundations cost money, concrete costs money; need that money to pay bribes and to get your family a nice bolt hole in Vancouver or Australia.
effendi
effendi
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
I should add that ABC (Australia) just published an article that mentioned that the population decline started last year and that working age population peaked in 2014.
Winn
Winn
4 years ago
There is no global recession.
Only depression.
Global depression.
For years.
No country can save. No printing can save.
Who will come out first and win?
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Winn
When in danger
When in doubt
Run in circles
Scream and shout
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
4 years ago
Who would have thought that China would steal the secrets of the US financial system? Now apparently, even the crash.
What’s next, wholesale outsourcing of the industrial base?
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
4 years ago
Just call it what it is, a Global Debt Ponzi.
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
I think that the problem with economic analyses is that we don’t see in them the evolution of the system during the crises. The analyses I see suppose that we are still, in China and in the west as well, in a capitalistic system. But the system evolves to overcome the crises, by being less and less capitalistic. This is why I see since several years coming more and more the concept of “sovietization”. This is supposed to save the system, and it does. But the price is less and less efficiency.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
4 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
Capitalism requires capital. Debt is not capital. Ever since 1971 the dollar is a debt note, not capital. Since then we have had crony capitalism, not real capitalisim. In real capitalism, those who work and produce things get ahead. But in crony capitalism, those controlling the purse strings of the fake money get to pick winners (cronies) and losers (everyone else).
It really is that simple. Get rid of fake money and the free market will clear this up in 3-6 months. The elite will tumble and the working class will make a massive recover.
YES, it really is that simple. Get rid of the fake money which is nothing more than a wealth transfer mechanism from working class to elite money class. Inflation is the engine of theft.
Yes, it really is that simple and I wish people would stop trying to make it so complex that it requires a PhD to understand and a life time of study to keep up with. In truth, we simply have to stop being gullible. We have to stop accepting fake money as if it were real. That will happen but it will take longer than it should and people will suffer more as a result.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
That is certainly going to keep commodity prices weak. The building industry accounted for a larger part of their GDP than in most other countries. Now much of that extra demand will be gone along with the jobs attached to it.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Yeah quite a few countries could be in for a big shock if commodities demand takes a significant hit.
Chile especially springs to mind as the worlds largest copper producer and China accounting for more than 52% of world demand. There is already social unrest there (threats of nationalizing those resource industries) that could accelerate in a hurry and undo decades of worth of advancement for Chile.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Countries that depend too much on selling commodities are all going to be in trouble.
effendi
effendi
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Yes, probably the number 1 country to be harmed by China property collapse will be Australia. Worlds biggest exporter of iron ore and coal selling to the worlds biggest importer of same.
Both volumes and prices will collapse and the trade surplus Australia has will vanish. The AUD will dive and the trillion dollar government debt will blow out as much is USD denominated.
Same for households and private sector. Here in Sydney average house price is over a million USD (1.4 million AUD), nuts when Australia is as big as the US with 13 times less population. Hard times ahead
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
China was the strategic ‘strength’ in 2007-8. This time around, China is a strategic weakness. It does not bode well for a rapid recovery.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Going to be interesting to see how their experiment with a capitalist dictatorship pans out.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
You prefer the communist kind, naturally. LOL
WarpartySerf
WarpartySerf
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
” You prefer the communist kind”
Right Just like the Blinken Administration .
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Those haven’t worked out.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Your kind will keep trying! LOL
Jack
Jack
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
You should chill – your pent up aggression has become tiresome.
Advise that you redirect your passion into something positive instead of so much negativity.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  Jack
… he says, in a thread about China’s real estate crash. Please, tell us something positive about Chinese real estate! LOL

Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Jack
Pent up? This kook is having a full blown inferiority complex meltdown. His brown nosing and history channel education isn’t impressing anyone.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Kumbaya to you too, Californian. LOL

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