Environment Police Want to Reduce Car Ownership Because EVs Are Not Enough

More Batteries Not Enough, We Want Your Car

A consortium of California university professors and the Climate Community project say that more EVs alone will not solve the climate crisis. They are coming after your car.

Please consider Achieving Zero Emissions with More Mobility and Less Mining.

A crucial aspect of electrified transportation is new demand for metals, and specifically the most nonreplaceable metal for EV batteries—lithium. If today’s demand for EVs is projected to 2050, the lithium requirements of the US EV market alone would require triple the amount of lithium currently produced for the entire global market. This boom in demand would be met by the expansion of mining. 

Large-scale mining entails social and environmental harm, in many cases irreversibly damaging landscapes without the consent of affected communities. 

If today’s conditions are projected to 2050, US EV demand for lithium alone would require triple the amount of lithium produced today for the global market 

This report finds that the United States can achieve zero-emissions transportation while limiting the amount of lithium mining necessary by reducing the car dependence of the transportation system, decreasing the size of EV batteries, and maximizing lithium recycling. 

Increasing mass and active transit as well as keeping passenger vehicles smaller makes for safer communities. Reducing the size of passenger vehicles also can make the roads far safer because smaller cars have fewer and less severe crashes. Making bus routes, metros, and electric bikes faster, safer, and more convenient will disproportionately support low-income and non-white community members—who are more likely to live near high traffic areas and bear the environmental health burdens of relatively poorer air quality compared to higher-income and white counterparts. 

The Climate and Community Project’s 2022 report, “A Green New Deal for Transportation,” outlined just such a vision for a green, environmentally just mobility network, with specific recommendations for public policy and programs to transform the US transportation sector.

Ultimately, climate, transit, and Indigenous justice can be aligned. 

We Want to Reduce the Size of Your House Too

Our findings show that reducing dependence on private vehicles, densifying low-density suburbs while allowing more people to live in existing high-density urban spaces, and improving EV efficiency and reducing battery sizes are the most effective pathways to reducing future lithium demand. 

Maximal Justice

This report intends to empower people and policymakers across the country with the arguments, evidence, and proposals they need to advocate for a maximally just transportation future.

Don’t kid yourself. 

This vision is precisely what President Biden, the socialists, and the Marxists want. If you want the same thing, then vote for Democrats in 2024. 

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BornFree*1
BornFree*1
1 year ago
Lithium mines are hell on earth slavery. ‘Environmentalists’ is this case are just de-populationists with a God complex. They can pound sand.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Every year, batteries require less lithium. Technological advancements are proceeding rapidly. I expect in a few years, there will batteries that require no rare earths.
DolyG
DolyG
1 year ago
“This vision is precisely what President Biden, the socialists, and the Marxists want. If you want the same thing, then vote for Democrats in 2024.”
And if you are not aware that the alternative is very likely to imply literally rivers of blood on the streets, and ending up in a place that has even less cars and less homes still standing, vote Republican.
I expect rivers of blood and widespread destruction.
Rick554
Rick554
1 year ago
Reply to  DolyG
Lol@ “ blood in the streets”. We already have that. Been to Chicago lately?
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  DolyG
Sounds like what people were saying when Trump won in 2016. Didn’t pan out.
Bam_Man
Bam_Man
1 year ago
These people will eventually all have bounties on their heads.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
1 year ago
Seems to be the next new Green/Woke fad. The Professional Managerial Class doesn’t want the serfs/deplorables cluttering up the view.
MBA SOFA
MBA SOFA
1 year ago

Ecologists: The solution is solar and wind power, electric vehicles.

Normal people: That’s impossible.
Ecologists: You are a mad conspiranoic, science is on my side.
Normal people: What do you say? Look at the numbers!
Ecologists: Ok, you are right. Tha solution is no cars, no electricity, no meat… Don’t worry, middle ages were really fun.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  MBA SOFA
Ecologists: I don’t really care about the environment. I just hate people.
Matt3
Matt3
1 year ago
Add to this the CBDC and we will have lost all freedom. Censorship is already here. The above is freedom of movement. Without freedom of movement, restrictions on where you can live are next.
The climate is a religion and you will be forced to submit. Do Not Comply!
tractionengine
tractionengine
1 year ago
And the scope and depth of the experiments expand as our leaders see the majority lying down and accepting their fate. This is yet another flag up the pole. Unfortunately, more and more people are saluting these flags instead of thinking.
There are five classes of people: a few thinking and powerless people who can see this continuing loss of freedom clearly, the brainwashed who always know what is right, the braindead who accept their fate, the super rich who are really in charge, and the politicians who have no politics, just an insatiable desire for power. Guess how the vote will always go.
We are heading to the point where the masses won’t be allowed out of bed without an environmental review by our betters. Those who won’t defend their freedom don’t deserve it.
If you think a charismatic Freedom leader could rally enough people and claw back our freedom, you don’t understand how the system is designed. I’m with PapaDave – look out for yourself, there’s nothing you can do to change the status quo.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  tractionengine
As long as the super-rich keep paying the politicians things will continue.
rbarnsey
rbarnsey
1 year ago
There is a very good reason for reducing car use that has nothing to do with the environment.
According to the latest research from AAA, the average yearly cost to own and operate a new vehicle in 2022 is $10,728, or $894 per month.
In my suburban neighborhood, it is very common to see 3 and 4 cars in a driveway. The most expensive public transit pass is $184/month. I am in Canada so translating that to USD like in the AAA study makes it $136.55/month.
So lets do some math.
A savings of 894-136.55 = $757.45 Assuming an investment in the SPY etf based on the S&P 500 30 year average annual return of 9.72%, converting only one of those cars into a transit pass and investing to savings would result in $1,613,239 over 30 years.
I think changing our driving habits, demaning better public transit and making better choices in where we live to reduce transit time and cost makes great financial sense. The green benefits are just a bonus.
Matt3
Matt3
1 year ago
Reply to  rbarnsey
How about letting people be free to choose how they want to live? Maybe I don’t want to save money and would rather have the freedom to come and go as I desire.
Live your own life and leave the rest of us alone
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt3
You guys are saying the same thing.
If you lived in higher density transit leaves every few minutes. No waiting. Freedom to come and go as you please.
Most of the time trip to store is quicker and no transit is even required – walk to store can be a short 5 min walk away – not 20 min drive + 3 min walk in parking lot.
Problem is most of America was unfortunately built predicating personal vehicles.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack
But I want to live out in the woods and have the freedom to come and go as I please.
rbarnsey
rbarnsey
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt3
I am not in favor of being legislated to do anything either. Just pointing out that there is a financially viable reason to do it.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  rbarnsey
That’s a new vehicle completely financed with inflated prices due to a pandemic. Cherry picking. What about all the vehicles that are paid off?
SyTuck
SyTuck
1 year ago
I’m surprised they didnt add a Brain Tax so we can pay for all the great thinking they do.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  SyTuck
That wouldn’t work as it is obvious that a great number of people don’t have much in the way of brains.
Better would be a tax on shoes which the Beatles foresaw as taxed feet.
GMoney
GMoney
1 year ago
This movement dates back to Agenda 21, stack ’em and pack ’em.
Billy
Billy
1 year ago
“support low-income and non-white community members”
How are people OK with Universities and the government dividing us by the color of skin?
Bhakta
Bhakta
1 year ago
Endless efforts to impose absolute control over all of us at every moment. Then, claim they are the strongest supporters of human rights. How can so many be so bewildered by this garbage?
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
“This vision is precisely what President Biden, the socialists, and the Marxists want. If you want the same thing, then vote for Democrats in 2024.”
I don’t bother to vote. Its a waste of my time. Though I applaud all of you who do vote.
However, in my opinion, an even bigger waste of time is to spend your entire life complaining about which political party is worse.
Yea; they both suck. But they are both better than what you get in Russia or China. And if you don’t like US politics, I suggest you move to Russia or China.
Go USA!
Bhakta
Bhakta
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
Actually, Russia is far freer now. I had a long talk with an old friend from Philadephia yesterday. He moved to Russia about 25 years ago to work as a teacher. He married a Russian woman. He is now retired and is applying for Russian citizenship. He says everything in the western media about Russia are lies.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Bhakta
Yes. Its obviously a Marxist Utopia. You should move there as well. I hear they need more soldiers to serve as cannon fodder.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Bhakta
Compare Russian teacher pensions with American teacher pensions.
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug78
Simply the guy cannot afford to leave Russia so making the best of things.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack
Yes he is stuck. If he had chosen Thailand at least he would have had warm weather, nice beaches and tasty food.
Matt3
Matt3
1 year ago
Reply to  PapaDave
You are going to leave a dystopian existence for your kids. I’m not just going to complain. I will not comply.
PapaDave
PapaDave
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt3
I am going to leave a fortune to my kids. And an understanding of how to look after yourself and those close to you. Plus as awareness of which problems you can have an impact on and which ones you can’t.
You, on the other hand, are going to complain for the rest of your miserable life. And sadly, you will probably attach that anchor to your children as well, guaranteeing them a miserable life of constant complaining about things they can’t control.
Call_Me
Call_Me
1 year ago
“Reducing the size of passenger vehicles also can make the roads far
safer because smaller cars have fewer and less severe crashes.”
Uh, no they don’t. Vehicles don’t spontaneously crash, the driver is the determining factor.
Call_Me_Al
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  Call_Me
Smaller cars take up a lot less space in a lane.
Think about it, 2 large objects in a limited space have a higher probability of collision than 2 small objects in the same space.
Call_Me
Call_Me
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack
Spacing, as is typically taught in driver’s ed, is dependent on a vehicle’s length/mass. The two larger vehicles, in order to travel ‘safely’, would require more space versus two smaller vehicles, but the line I highlighted from the report isn’t making that statement. The larger objects should take up more space, that’s it. Your line about the large objects in a limited space is irrelevant, as they shouldn’t be in the same amount of space as the small objects.
Crashes are not random or chaotic events, they happen for reasons and the vast majority of those are driver behavior and (lack of) experience. Again — the size of the vehicle doesn’t determine if it is going to crash.
Call_Me_Al
Roy
Roy
1 year ago
Reply to  Call_Me
Actually, spacing, as is typically taught in driver’s ed, is entirely dependent on typical human reaction time. The individual vehicle stopping time is considered a constant and the rule was one car length per 10 mph speed. If you make the cars shorter, you’ll need more than one car length.
Sorry… The engineer in me had to do it.
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
1 year ago
Reply to  Roy
Yes indeed. The rule now is three seconds between cars, not the old car lengths. That didn’t work well since a car length can be anywhere from my old Chevy Aveo to a long bed crew cab F-350.
By the way, if smaller cars are safer then certainly motorcycles should be safer yet. But they are not.
Call_Me
Call_Me
1 year ago
Reply to  Roy
Very true indeed! Tire condition, vehicle weight, pavement condition (wet/dry/other) — there are a lot of variables. Of course reaction time is age-dependent so there is yet another factor to consider.
No need to apologize, I rarely find engineers to be tedious 🙂
Call_Me_Al
(guessing you won’t read this comment since it follows yours by almost a week, but I will leave it nonetheless)
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  Call_Me
Lanes are a certain width – two large vehicles approaching each other will be closer and any disturbance will cause an accident. Intersections worse.
Larger cars leave less room for error.
Your example is for vehicles in the same lane, however more spacing between vehicles if a workaround that works until there is more traffic.
Increased traffic causes traffic slowdowns as you can only fit some many large vehicles in a single lane. So we built more lanes – where bigger cars are closer again – cannot increase spacing between vehicles traveling side by side.
Call_Me
Call_Me
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack
Which goes back to driver behavior being the controlling factor, regardless of lane size (2-lane, 4-lane, or divided interstate). You can make the valid point that there is less margin for error with larger vehicles, but my initial comment about putting the onus on the driver is equally valid.
Call_Me_Al
Roy
Roy
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack
Of course, it also depends on your definition of safer. Statistically you are safer (less likely to be killed or seriously injured in a wreck) when travelling in a larger vehicle. This hold true even if the collision is between two vehicles of the same size/weight.
All of these proposals are about one thing: total domination/control of the global population by a self-selected and very small group of people. In order to maintain control, one has to:
1. reduce the population;
2. disarm the population;
3. distribute the population in clusters far from the control center (Think Hunger Games);
4. remove the means of mobility.
We are in the tricky stage – convincing people to give up their freedom for the illusions of safety and prosperity. That is why it is necessary to collapse the global economy. There aren’t enough of us starving yet. If they can get people hungry enough to convince them that their hunger is due to your stubborn refusal to give up your automobile, then they can turn your neighbors against you. Later, when the “survivors” are defenseless and stuck in their assigned districts, they won’t care what you think. It is a simple strategy. Use human behavior to eliminate the humans.
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  Roy
You seem a very paranoid individual.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
1 year ago
Some people, like myself, just don’t function in an urban environment. I don’t want people around me all the time. That’s why I don’t visit major cities unless its absolutely necessary.
Ultracrepidarian
Ultracrepidarian
1 year ago
I have been in favor of increasing density for many decades, to be more like every other country in the world from Brazil to France to China, because it would favor the poor to be able live more respectably. It would also serve to make mass transit methods to be more efficient and cheaper. But the only legitimate way to do this is to reduce zoning restrictions on lot sizes and density restrictions.
On the other hand, this has actually already been happening in many jurisdictions. Not by law or edict but just out of necessity…..think homelessness camps ……..
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
I agree.
I wish most of you would just move into some nice dense city – far away.
digger
digger
1 year ago
Favors the poor? That’s absurd, it’s a ploy that the Rockefeller Foundation and other eugenicists support as it packs more people into tighter spaces where crime and disease can more easily spread and eliminate who they believe to be “useless eaters”. You should try it if it sounds like your Shangri La; it’s sure to be a way to share in what that sardine type society has to offer. We were not meant to be placed in a box so the elite’s can control the people but there’s always people like you who can’t see the forest for the trees of what they have planned.
Doug78
Doug78
1 year ago
“I would rather be governed by the first 2000 people in the Manhattan phone book than the entire faculty of Harvard.”
― William F. Buckley Jr.
Jeff Dog
Jeff Dog
1 year ago
During the time of circa the civil war it took six years to build a railroad from Oakland to Council Bluffs, Iowa which involved blasting a tunnel through the Sierra Nevada mountains. Now it takes multiple generations to finish a light rail project of 40 miles on completely flat ground from Oakland to San Jose.
Being able to give up my cars for public transportation seems like a fantasy for my lifetime unless I move to Manhattan.
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Dog
Not only the tracks were built in those 6 years, but all the water and coal infrastructure as well as depots every 100 miles or so to service the steam engines.
Also think about all the train stations.
Boggles the mind.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack
It’s amazing what can be done when you don’t have miles of red tape to wade through and endless environmental studies to pass.
Practically everything infrastructure wise (dams, interstate highway system, electrical lines, railroads etc) that was accomplished in the 19th and early 20th centuries (pre-1980) could not be done today because of the red tape and endless environmental studies that bog down everything.
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Helped to have cheap plentiful labor and zero safety rules. Railroads used the same model as the Qataris to build their World Cup stadiums.
Railroads also took care of NIMBY issues by having the government displace the natives off the land.
Esclaro
Esclaro
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Dog
Many Third World cities have great subway systems. You can ride all over Mexico City for 25 cents. It’s a great experience with plenty of pretty girls and street musicians playing in the subway cars.
Bhakta
Bhakta
1 year ago
Reply to  Esclaro
Even Bangkok which had no rail system 25 years ago, now has a spotless system than can take you to most parts of this gigantic metro. It is not cheap though, and if you are taking luggage it is impossible.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Esclaro
See also the Moscow and St Petersburg subways.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Esclaro
And yet, Mexico city has over 5 million cars.
TheCaptain
TheCaptain
1 year ago
Do we miss trump yet or would we rather have marxism more than mean tweets and insatiable arrogance? I blame anyone who voted for Brandon. Look in the mirror, you own this.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  TheCaptain
I truly miss the almost daily entertainment.
The current guy is boring.
LM2022
LM2022
1 year ago
If they want people to ditch their cars, they need to give them safe, reliable and clean public transportation. They’re building out a metro rail service here in Los Angeles where I live, but I won’t go near it due to the large number of drug addled zombies that have taken over the trains and the stations.
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  LM2022
Where I live, the light rail transit system has turned into an unsupervised homeless shelter with no house rules.
hmk
hmk
1 year ago
Perfect recipe for civil war
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
Wow. Sounds a lot like all those UN agendas the UN keep posting. And the slaves keep calling you a conspiracy nut if you mention. I think they want to make sure no one can travel to DC to have a necktie party! Kind of like the ones the people of Philadelphia was working on when our exalted founders, who my history books said were saints who could not tell a lie, ran them out of there.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
There are too many cars, jamming up the roads and have been for 30 years. It’s stupid, slow, and wasteful, full stop.
But we’re going to make it into a class envy issue…
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
Seldom mentioned is the fact that we have more people than we need.
Weaubleau
Weaubleau
1 year ago
They want us commoners/peasants to stay within 15 minutes of our homes, just like in the middle ages.
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  Weaubleau
Except for them and their private jets
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  Weaubleau
The only difference is that they also want us eating bugs for protein while they dine on Wagu beef.
Zardoz
Zardoz
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

They who?

Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  Zardoz
They = the Wagu beef eating people
Bhakta
Bhakta
1 year ago
Reply to  Weaubleau
You will be lucky if you are allowed to go 15 minutes from your home.

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