Comments From Lacy Hunt on the Fed’s Current Money Supply Numbers

Chart from the Fed’s H.8 release, highlights mine.

I received the following comments from Lacy regarding How Many Rate Hikes Does the Market Now Expect of the Fed?

Mish,

Excellent analysis.

Here is my analysis of the Fed’s H.8 Report which I am sure you have seen.

Line 36 or ODL (the best measure of money) is a showing a clear cyclical pattern. Decreases stretch back to Q2 and there was a sharp 7.2% rate of decline in January and the drop in the last 12 months is a record. Line 36 is the leading indicator of credit.  The contraction in money supply coupled with a rise in interest rates has reduced the desire of banks to lend and the desire of businesses and individual to borrow. 

Hope you are well.

Lacy

A Better Definition of Money

Other Deposit Liabilities is Lacy’s preferred measure of money supply. 

I discussed ODL in A Better Definition of Money and Lacy Hunt’s Thoughts on When a Recession Will Start

The main difference between ODL and M2 is that ODL does not include currency or retail money market funds.

Currency is accepted at an increasingly fewer number of business establishments and simply cannot be used for very large sized transactions. Retail money market funds never became an important medium of exchange. Both are becoming a far less used medium of exchange. 

ODL has the additional advantage that it is the main source of funding for bank loans and investments, making ODL both a monetary and credit aggregate. Friedman would not be surprised that the need to change the best definition of what constitutes money would change over the years. 

The Biggest Collapse in M2 Money Supply Since the Great Depression

I previously posted charts of ODL on January 25, in The Biggest Collapse in M2 Money Supply Since the Great Depression.

I repeat my caution to not confuse ODL with the Fed’s H.6 Money Stock Report line Other Liquid Deposits. 

If you are looking at data downloads from Fred (the St. Louis Fed depository), it’s easy to pull the wrong numbers. 

My previous charts of ODL were based on a definition of ODL = M2 – (Currency + Retail Money Market Funds). 

That gives a similar, but not exact match to the H.8 line 36.

ODL Through January 2023

My ODL number above, based off H.8, still does not match the H.8 report that has January at $16,007.8 billion. 

This is because Fred uses a Monthly Average calculation whereas the H.8 report is weekly.

H.8 appears to be using an average of January 11, January 18, January 25 whereas Fred appears to include an additional week of  January 4, at 16,068.6. 

The former averages to 16,008.2 and the latter 16,023.3. Tiny rounding errors account for the difference.  

The Fed appears to average complete weeks that fall within the month but Fred (the St. Louis Fed depository download) doesn’t. 

I will contact the St. Louis Fed to see if they wish to update their Fred methodology for calculating monthly averages of H.8 data. 

If the monthly numbers do not precisely match, neither will the percentages in the next chart.

ODL Percent Changes Through January 2023

Regarding my original calculation: ODL = M2 – (Currency + Retail Money Market Funds) Lacy commented “You are right there are some other small items in the difference with M2 but I ignore them because they are immaterial and I want a variable I can track weekly.

Meanwhile, ignore any small differences in various calculations as long as you are looking at the right things. 

The key point in all of this is not tiny differences in numbers but Lacy’s comment regarding bank lending. 

The contraction in money supply coupled with a rise in interest rates has reduced the desire of banks to lend and the desire of businesses and individual to borrow. 

I have made similar comments many times. 

The key constraint on bank lending is not reserves or deposits but rather capital impairment. If banks are not capital impaired, they will lend if they believe they have good credit risks who want to borrow. 

By hiking rates, the Fed has purposely reduced the desire of banks to lend due to recession risk. Rising interest rates also reduce the incentive for businesses and individuals to borrow. 

This tightening of money will eventually result in a contraction in hiring and wage growth. And a contraction in hiring is what the Fed wants whether they say so or not. 

Recent Data

Recent data has been a mixed bag. 

The CPI will keep the Fed hiking sooner and for longer.

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MJS357
MJS357
3 years ago
Probably not the correct story to ask this question, “How will the new Fed stress tests on banks affect the ODL?” Or does it not in anyway?
Perplexed Pete
Perplexed Pete
3 years ago
Mish: why don’t you tell us, clearly, how all money is created? Does government create all money? Or is Richard Werner correct that private banks create all money when they issue loans? Are the twelve Federal Reserve banks privately owned corporations (like Chicago Fed spokesman Jerry Nelson says)? Is the fractional reserve theory of banking correct (Banks only lend the deposits of savers), or is the credit creation theory of banking correct (banks create 100% new, digital money to lend)? Where do bond dealers get the endless trillions of digital dollars to lend to our government?
The mechanics of money creation and the true source of limitless bank loans are the most important issues in economics. Yet you seem to avoid discussing these subjects. Of course, the answers already exist for you to learn at bank LIES dot ORG.
david halte
david halte
3 years ago
In an op-ed, Phil Gramm and Thomas Saving stated the fall in M2 was a result of the Fed draining a trillion dollars of liquidity out of the Financial system via the reverse-repo facility. The WSJ debunked the notion as nonsensical. Although, their theory is compelling, as the Fed has moved to a centralized fractional banking system. M2 is a measure of decentralized liquidity. The Fed holds $2.5T in its overnight lending facility to inoculate against complications that occurred during the mortgage crisis. As when Jim Cramer threw is famous rant, demanding the Fed open its lending window. Bernanke’s spine became jelly, he immediately bent over and tanked rates. $2.5T allows time for the Fed to concoct its next move in a crisis. For now, Fed banks have no incentive to attract retail investors with competitive rates of saving, they only begrudgingly comply. Member banks have become lazy, with no desire to research loans, when they can profit from overnight repo interest.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
Have a money market fund that tracks with the overnight Fed rate. Only .34% cost, and every bump in rates earns more interest with zero risk. Now paying 4.26% and looks like it gets to 5% and stays there.
As rates go up, that cash is flowing back into the economy plus other streams such as the 8% increase in social security, etc…. Instead of a wage-price spiral, these flows are essentially acting like government stimulus. Not sure how you get ahead of it, but counter-intuitively a Fed pause may help.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
I was on the road for 11 hours yesterday, wiped out when I got home so a delay in responding to questions.
8dots
8dots
3 years ago
Fed hikes, shortening of the thrust, hikes in diagnosis. Fed target : 2% BELOW 2023 expected inflation. The Fed will reduce real gov debt further, along with the ECB and the BOJ. Less gravity between them, less friction. // Demand for trifles, like fettuccine alfredo with chicken, is rising. Demand for big tickets items is down. In Jan SPX (monthly) flipped from bearish to positive. SPX might rise for months, unless cancelled. If cancelled, US treasury will pay above zero dividends on 35T/40T debt. Bond traders will salivate. The Fed will escape, but the gov will deflate.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
If there wasn’t a floor on interest rates (the O/N RRP award rate), there’d be negative short-term nominal interest rates.
Powell destroyed deposit
classifications in May 2020 (eliminated the 6 withdrawal restrictions on
savings accounts, which isolated money intended for spending, or
means-of-payment money, from the money held as savings, or the demand for money
(reciprocal of velocity).

Powell:

#1 “there was a time when
monetary policy aggregates were important determinants of inflation and that
has not been the case for a long time”

#2 “Inflation is not a problem
for this time as near as I can figure. Right now, M2 [money supply] does not
really have important implications. It is something we have to unlearn.”

#3 “the correlation between
different aggregates [like] M2 and inflation is just very, very low”.

Powell is the worst FED
Chairman we’ve ever had.

“CHAIRMAN GREENSPAN. I must
say that I have not changed my view that inflation is fundamentally a monetary
phenomenon. But I am becoming far more skeptical that we can define a proxy
that actually captures what money is, either in terms of transaction balances
or those elements in the economic decision-making process which represent
money. We are struggling here. I think we have to be careful not to assume by
definition that M1, M2, or M3 or anything is money. They are all proxies for
the underlying conceptual variable that we all employ in our generic evaluation
of the impact of money on the economy. Now, what this suggests to me is that
money is hiding itself very well.”

The problem is that no money
supply figure standing alone is adequate as a guidepost for monetary policy.
The turnover ratio for DDs as opposed to TDs is 95: 5.

Transaction’s velocity is an
“independent” exogenous force acting on prices. However, income
velocity merely tells us that a given volume of m will have to turnover a
certain number of times to finance a given volume of nominal gDp. Income
velocity does not assist in any way in explaining inflation.

Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
“If there wasn’t a floor on interest rates (the O/N RRP award rate), there’d be negative short-term nominal interest rates.”
Salmo – that was true at ZIRP, do not believe it is true now. I believe what would happen now is Short term rates may be a bit below the Fed’s target, but not zero.
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
The drop in money supply seems to me to be just withdrawing the excess growth during the pandemic. As far as interest rates, they are NOT historically high. I see 5% as a more normal rate.
As for bank lending, I see a lot of banks looking to lend money. Banks finally have nice spreads lending and I think they are in fine shape. Capital is much higher than 2008 and even if home prices decline, people will be reluctant to stop paying on a 2-3% mortgage. Locked in at low rates, they have a pretty good deal compared to renting.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
the fed doesn’t give a hooey about unemployment. never have. that’s all just new age mumbo jumbo they put in their congressional facing kabucki theatre to keep the middlebrows confused. the fed has one mission.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
The Fed will always make excuses to do whatever it wants to do. This time is no different.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
THE FED reserve of NY is where the action is. and they are owned privately. no kookery here. look at their shareholders. the fed in DC is the face of the fed that must report to congress, to fool folks into thinking it’s concerned about anything and everything but the only thing they are in existence FOR. too keep the NYC banks in high cotton with free money and bailouts from time to time. the rest of the garbage they spew and pundits spew is pure 100% USDA hooey. the fed could care not one iota about inflation or deflation or unemployment or housing. unless it affects their owners, the bankers bonus pool. they’ve been pretty explicit about the need to reload their bazooka since the gargantuan money printing that occurred to react to the world wide shutdown from the plague.
Robbyrob
Robbyrob
3 years ago
Biden faces a key economic decision ahead of reelection
Christoball
Christoball
3 years ago
With QT of MBS mortgage backed securities, it is my understanding that the FED is no longer buying loans and letting existing securities expire. Banks have to either own their loans or find their own way to pawn them off. Many Bank deposits are created by money from Real Estate purchases which is mostly borrowed money. These deposits are not loaned out, but with Real Estate sales down and the Fed no longer purchasing MBS it would seem this would affect ODL somewhere in the money food chain. Even though the FED MBS balance sheet is not shrinking at the desired projected rate, the constrained growth of mortgages this creates is perhaps doing it’s job with regard to shrinking ODL.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
The Fed’s MBS is not happening at the stated rate and I said it wouldn’t even before QT happened. Mortgages have dried up.
Treasuries are happening at the stated pace.
Fish1
Fish1
3 years ago
Mohammed El Erian had an interesting comment today. He said that the appropriate inflation rate and target for the Fed should be between 3 and 4%. Trying to get to 2% would “crush” the economy. 3 to 4 is the “lubrication” that we require. What happens when we embrace 4% inflation?
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
Reply to  Fish1
Long bond yields go up and the economy moves away from financialization, and starts returning to organic growth. Sounds like a good start.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Fish1
These F’ers are nuts
JeffD
JeffD
3 years ago
ODL is roughly $3 Trillion above trendline growth (23%), and people wonder why the economy is still on fire. People aren’t very bright. The Fed is still not doing enough QT.
Portlander2
Portlander2
3 years ago
The key constraint on bank lending is not reserves or deposits but rather capital impairment.
In a downturn, the banks’ portfolios will suffer. So, banks will constraint lending, making the downturn worse. This pro-cyclicality seems to be a problem with the current system. Banks that can’t raise capital in a serious downturn get bailed out. I think the system that failed in the 2008 financial crisis is still basically in place. Could we see a repeat?
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
The economy will turn with a turn in large CDs
Large Time Deposits, All Commercial Banks (LTDACBW027NBOG) | FRED | St. Louis Fed (stlouisfed.org)
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
With O/N RRPs @ 2023-02-17: 2,059.662 There’s no shortage of cash. There’s a surfeit of savings over investment opportunities.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
It is an extraordinary delusion that banks lend deposits. AD depends upon deposit turnover. Because banks pay for their earning assets with new money, it follows that the banks do not loan out deposits. Since only bank-held savings can be spent by their owners, and not the banks, these deposits are stagnant. As such, m2 is mud pie.
The “True” Money Supply: A Measure of the Supply of the Medium of Exchange in the U.S. Economy | Mises Institute
Mises’ definitions are reasonable, but they do not differentiate between high and low turnover rates (actual practice). Nothing’s changed in > 100 years.

Link: George Garvey:

Deposit Velocity and Its Significance
(stlouisfed.org)

“Obviously, velocity of total deposits, including
time deposits, is considerably lower than that computed for demand deposits
alone. The precise difference between the two sets of ratios would depend on
the relative share of time deposits in the total as well as on the respective
turnover rates of the two types of deposits.”

Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
ODL is a better TMS
TMS was ruined when the Fed allowed Sweeps then stopped reporting Sweeps
edclane
edclane
3 years ago
Mish, I have a somewhat different understanding than the one expressed above by Lacy (“The contraction in money supply coupled with a rise in interest rates has reduced the desire of banks to lend and the desire of businesses and individual to borrow.). The contraction in M2 or ODL can only be caused by three things: broadly, federal taxes exceeding federal outlays, banks loans contracting, and a trade deficit. The desire of businesses and individuals to borrow at prevailing rates is certainly a component but referring to a contraction in ODL or M2 is a result, not a cause.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  edclane
Hiking rates without a doubt reduces the desire of businesses and individual to borrow. Look at mortgages!
And if banks are worried about recession risk, and a slowing of the economy and thus ability to be paid back, it also reduces their desire to lend.
But yes, QT is a factor as well.
xbizo
xbizo
3 years ago
The ODL Monthly chart appears to mirror inflation with a time lag of a year or so. Could you conclude that inflation is vanquished when the curve rolls over and hits the old trend line?

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