Radical Facebook groups call for Whitmer to be hanged, lynched, shot, beaten or beheaded.
Newsweek reports Michigan Closes Down Capitol in face of Death Threats.
On Thursday, Michigan closed down its capitol building and canceled its legislative session after online death threats made against Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
The threats were made by protesters who planned to attend a “Judgement Day” protest at the capitol. The protesters ostensibly oppose Whitmer’s statewide shutdown orders meant to slow the spread of coronavirus.
“We haven’t had any bloodshed yet, but the populous [sic] is counting to three, and yesterday was day two,” wrote Dave Meisenheimer in a 385,000-member Facebook group called Michiganders Against Excessive Quarantine. “Next comes the watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants,” he concluded.
Numerous other posts referred to Whitmer as a “Nazi,” “spawn of the devil,” “wicked witch,” “Soros puppet,” “baby killer tyrant” and more, according to the Detroit Metro Times. Others promised to attend upcoming protests “armed to the death” and without face masks, threatening to attack any police officers who dared confront them.
“There are legislators who are wearing bulletproof vests to go to work,” Whitmer told ABC News last week. “No one should be intimidated by someone who’s bringing in an assault rifle into their workplace.”
I am quite confident these nutcases will found prosecuted, convicted and sent to prison where they belong.
Mish
There are limits to all our rights whether we like that fact or not. These ASSCLOWNS calling for the murder of politicians they do not like should be prosecuted and heavily punished. And we need to put curbs on social media now before we lose what is left of our rights because of a few nutters on the fringe far right. If enough people abuse the social contract and make up rights they do not actually have then we are all going to pay for it with a totalitarian state. They are not heroes probing the edges of tolerance, they are anarchists that want to destroy and kill, they are sick, they are stupid, and they are all our enemies! The founders framed the constitution to enumerate our rights in the context of a free and fair democracy. That does not mean you have license to yell fire in a crowded theater, open fire in a crowded elementry school with weapons of war, or advocate crimes against others that are (or should be) morally repugnant to any decent human being. Disagree? Then you are the morally indecent who should go stand next to your insane brothers and take the fair punishments assigned by rational law abiding citizens. But no, that takes a real set of balls. So much easier to be a keyboard anarchist. And last I will go out on a limb here and bet there is not a five inch dick in that entire movement. They are overcompensating for SOMETHING!
Gee the wrong tweet will get you 20 while the average sentence for murder is 16.
Came across this yesterday. Interesting reading.
May 15, 2020
Police State Dry Run a Huge Success
By Carol Brown
When the coronavirus landed on our shores, communist China came with it.
We have become part of a mass scale human experiment in government control and it turned out that stripping away our freedom wasn’t all that difficult. Under the guise of concern for our health and well-being, tyrants came out of the woodwork. Our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, and our lives are being destroyed as the left solidifies and expands their oppressive powers. We’ve been herded around like cattle, threatened, isolated, confined, silenced, and arrested. You name it, it’s happening.
You tell me if what follows sounds like the United States, or China.
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And what might you suggest citizens of Michigan do, Mish? Bring their grievances to their governor via an online petition? Peacefully assemble in a pre-designated “free speech zone”? “Like” a Facebook post until the powers act? Bring suit in court via pro bono activist lawyers?
Or do you concede that the powers have utter contempt for the people and have no problem ignoring demands made peacefully? After all, surely you can agree that an irate mob is more likely to gain a governor’s attention than a peaceful assembly? Its not a matter of debate.
And if we concede that violent mobs are un-American, we also must concede that the activities of the powers that be are also un-American, and traditional American functions of petition and process are becoming futile.
Still, for all the people who are getting irate at the lockdown, there are still a huge cadre of people sufficiently intimidated to demand the opposite. A brief encounter with a terrorized woman at the post office this morning reminded me of this.
I suggest a mob fight between the maskers and non-maskers. Whoever wins can then threaten to behead the governor — or help enforce the governor’s tyranny.
Wow! What a great post! Well, all but the last two sentences.
“Our narratives of COVID-19 are all lies.”
Two impressive accomplishments here by Ben Hunt:
I’ve listened to a couple interviews with Ben Hunt. Not sure if I agree with his analysis. To say “herd immunity” is a political narrative seems dubious. It is an important concept and like anything can be exploited by politicians. However, to frame it the way he does seems to start off on the wrong foot. IMHO
Yes, herd immunity is a truth … his point is that it is being told with bad intent by TPTB. I agree that’s a subtle point that is perhaps confusing.
I think herd immunity cannot be the primary reason to re-engage all commerce. For one thing, it’s a collectivist argument. The proper calculation is by the individual focused on the health of those he or she cares about. Thus the most important facts are the risks and dangers of personal infection. Which are basically understood now.
For the operators and customers of nursing homes, the risk factors should have led them to a policy of extreme cocooning for their clientele. Same for a household that has great-grandma living with them. For grocery stores, have a policy that shoppers must wear masks — if most of their customers will appreciate that. Etc. If the CDC could do one thing right and emphasize the facts about the actual risks to actual individuals, people could figure out how to live with those risks. But instead we are bombarded with collectivist arguments disingenuously made around nuggets of truth.
Brad, I think we mostly agree. However, I do think herd immunity is the primary way out of this. There has never been a vaccine for a Coronavirus so that hope is small. Also, what are the side effects of such a vaccine? I don’t want to take it, at least not right away. We can hope the summer kills it off but not likely.
Currently the economy is effectively shut down. The real motivation for this is to keep healthcare from being overwhelmed. But the flattened curve is running at a rate of about 20,000 new cases per day. At that rate herd immunity is developed in 20+ years. But by just quarantining those that are high risk and letting the young and healthy get back to normalcy to develop herd immunity this time table can be dramatically shortened.
Besides the buffoons with guns, there are experts who question the lockdown strategy…
“Now, as we know, children and young adults do not end up in hospitals. It is only those who are both elderly and have comorbidities that do. Therefore you have to protect the elderly and the nursing homes. The ideal approach would be to simply shut the door of the nursing homes and keep the personnel and the elderly locked in for a certain amount of time, and pay the staff overtime to stay there for 24 hours per day.
How long can you do that for? For three weeks, that is possible. For 18 months, it is not. The flattening of the curve, the prolongation of the epidemic, makes it more difficult to protect the elderly, who are at risk. More of the elderly people become infected, and we have more deaths.” – Knut Wittkowski
“Now, as we know, children and young adults do not end up in hospitals”.
Actually the only thing “we” know is you do not have a clue about this subject.
I figure that was elliptical speech in a verbal answer. Yes there are outliers of extreme reaction among the young and healthy, but not enough to be germane to the question of lockdowns.
So much misinformation from Witt that it’s hard to believe he’s an “expert” … Just a few examples …
He talks about how hospitals were not over-burdened and then says that proves no lockdowns were needed … failing to mention that the lack of over-burdening took place during the period of the lockdowns!
He continually references immunity / herd immunity as though it’s a given, it’s effective, it’s long-lasting … NONE of which are established facts. Especially damning given the nature of other coronaviruses and our failure to become immune to them.
He accepts the Chinese numbers as though they are the gospel truth. He says that “we knew from China and South Korea that this is an epidemic that runs its course, and there was nothing special about it.” … again, failing to mention the draconian measures both countries undertook to try to contain it.
He says “What I am talking about is not hindsight. The epidemics in Wuhan and South Korea were over in mid-March.” again, failing to mention the draconian measures both countries undertook to try to contain it.
To me Witt comes across as a hack, spouting more his politics than anything from his supposed field of expertise.
Bless. When did the lockdowns start in New York. When did infection numbers start to decline in New York. Almost 2 months after Lockdown started and you still think lockdowns did anything.
Draconian measures in South Korea. What the f*** are you talking about. They had less limitations put on them than the US yet managed to contain it.
Get your head out the sand and start thinking for yourself. Listen to someone with far more common sense than yourself.
https://unherd.com/thepost/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-the-covid-19-epidemic-was-never-exponential/
Mathgame…..You dont know it but by you kind of made Knut point re lockdowns. As you are probably aware Cuomo admitted that 66% of new cases after lockdown came from people on stay at home orders. If that does not convince you that lockdown did absolutely nothing then i dont know what would. I suppose that cases kept rising for almost 2 months after lockdown started in NY still doesn`t convince you that lockdowns were a pointless waste of time and money. Perhaps if Cuomo hadn`t ordered nursing home to take back infected residents that might of made a difference.
Also please can you give me the supposedly draconian measures that South Korea took.
If as you suggest we cant get immunity from this coronavirus how long to you think we are going to lockdown.
another example:
spiked: Should people practice social distancing?
Wittkowski: No.
spiked: Why not?
Wittkowski: Why? What is the justification for that? People need to ask the government for an explanation. The government is restricting freedom. You do not have to ask me for justification. There is no justification. It is the government that has to justify what it is doing. Sorry, but that is how it is.
The question was about social distancing, not about any forced actions/lockdowns by the government. Any epidemiologist, not preoccupied with his own politics, would respond to a question about social distancing in the affirmative because of course it is wise to avoid close, prolonged contact with people who are sick or more specifically people who have the virus and are spreading it. If the epidemiologist then wants to hop on the political soapbox about “but lockdowns are another matter … can’t limit freedom … etc.” fine.
But Witt totally forgets what the question was actually referencing and immediately jumps into his political response rather than his epidemiological response.
Based upon other articles/interviews with Knut Wittkowski, in which he says even more suspect, and absolutely STUPID things (like there are no more cases in China or S. Korea, right in the middle of reports of new cases in both countries!) I have come to consider him a fraudulent quack when it comes to epidemiology but perfectly entitled to air his political opinions … so long as he stops pretending that his political opinions are scientific ones.
Thanks, you may be right, I’m undecided about Knut, have not watched his other stuff.
Everyone presents their opinions about COVID as being backed by science, and can find fact-nuggets to support their narrative (Ben Hunt’s point). I consider someone an expert if they studied and worked in the field of infectious disease before coronavirus. Being an expert is not synonymous with being correct. Most such experts are in favor of strong lockdowns, so I figure authoritarianism is built into modern epidemiology studies.
Can you give me any evidence that social distancing has worked?
Here`s someone else according to you that doesn`t have a clue. Watch it and learn something and get your head out the sand.
https://unherd.com/thepost/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-the-covid-19-epidemic-was-never-exponential/
RE: “Everyone presents their opinions about COVID as being backed by science”
I think that is because scientism is our new widespread religious cult.
RE : “Most such experts are in favor of strong lockdowns, so I figure authoritarianism is built into modern epidemiology studies.”
One of the primary reasons Sweden’s less coercive policies have not been even more disastrous (I consider their results SO FAR to be disastrous, especially their death rate which even Tegnall acknowledges caught him/them by surprise, especially since their economy is unlikely to escape massive downturn too) is that the Swedes are far more trusting of the government and therefore more accepting of mere suggestions as opposed to lockdowns. Their societal structure and demographics play a role in that as well.
Modern epidemiology studies might assume that in many/most cases, with the US as prime example, that trying to stop the spread of a highly contagious disease with mere suggestions would be as successful as “herding cats”.
Not to mention that many American businesses/investors seem more than willing to follow “We’ve done the CBA … and it shows we can afford to lose employees and even customers more than shutting down our profits completely”
Brad, good to see you finally come around to accepting this commonsense view. I recall when I posted exactly the same thoughts back in March your reply to my comment was something along the lines of ‘your indifference to old people dying is breathtaking…’
Scathing! Ok, that could have been me. My take on corona has evolved as I’ve learned more.
To Knut’s point, most of the deaths have been elderly individuals who are unhealthy to the point of not being able to take care of themselves. It boggles the mind how many experts and articles and tweets and blog posts continue to be silent on the demographics of the disease, when it is a clearly crucial consideration for developing a strategy, whether a family’s or a nation’s.
Dismissing Covid-19 as something that only endangers those who were going to die soon anyway doesn’t make a lot of statistical sense.
Thanks for the article. I believe it represents the fact that the risks to the young and healthy are real but vanishingly small. (Though I would discount his graphs/charts where he’s got “author’s calculations” — he’s a business writer!) Risk increases dramatically with age and disease. Still zero deaths under 40 in Oregon; 94% of deaths are 60+. Everyone needs this important info so they can decide how to live and work or run a business. Instead we’ve had the very blunt (and dumb) instrument of extended gov lockdowns.
Risks of death to those under 35 could be called “vanishingly small” … above 35 the risks remain smaller than for 65 and over (increasing with age) but not “vanishingly” small. But there are risks to the younger that do not result in death including excess strokes and other permanent organ damage.
While I agree that “blunt” lockdowns must be reconsidered for all the factors we have learned over time, they were absolutely NOT dumb in the earlier weeks of the spread of a new virus about which nothing was known other than the severely underestimated death counts coming from China.
I am basing the idea that lockdowns are blunt and dumb on what I’ve heard Amesh Adjalja (you’ve probably seen him, seems to do several interviews a week) say many times: experts, including him, had smart pandemic plans ready to go, but they were NOT used, so then the pandemic blew up in the US leaving governments no choice but the worst possible choice: wide lockdowns. I just heard him say today that starting with lockdowns and then backing off of them is absolutely not the normal course of an advanced public policy response to an infectious disease.
RE: “I just heard him say today that starting with lockdowns and then backing off of them is absolutely not the normal course of an advanced public policy response to an infectious disease.”
But you apparently missed him saying that lockdown was the only tool left because of lack of preparedness, lack of available testing, lack of contact tracing, lack of immediate response etc.
It’s fine for him to say that he and other experts had plans but the simple fact is that those plans were not put into action for lack of the necessary components of the plans as well as foot-dragging pretense of the Federal Government that everything was fine, everything was going to be just fine, oooops maybe not … so governors used the only “blunt” tool available i.e. lockdown.
And this is something I’ve expressed about a half-dozen times previously. If you’re not prepared with what is necessary to enact smart plans, and you hem and haw and pretend for weeks that it will all go away, by that point the dumb blunt tool is all you’ve got to go with.
It’s not about “reopening”.
Not likely. Militia types are not concerned about government services. It’s all about big government trampled on their freedoms. What does race have to do with it? Nothing, except lefties seem obsessed with running down white people. Nothing worse than a self hating white person (i.e., a white Dimocrate).
I can see no reason why some of these poor people who’ve lost their life’s work in a small business would be mad at all. Lock them up and put their children in foster care, this will solve the problem and people won’t be mad anymore!
In other news … checking Federal Reserve’s balance sheet … a week or two it came to light Federal Reserve (via SPV) had yet to buy any corporate bonds … finally gotten around to dipping toe in past week … for a whopping $305 MILLION.
Federal Reserve jawbones with the best.
No large scale “printing” … and even if gets to that … US Treasury (taxpayer) in first loss position … while Federal Reserve (wholly owned by Wall Street banks) provides liquidity (for a fee). Those big banks ain’t so dumb.
If one believed in math, science and facts, one would be able to look at this map and understand what is going on with respect to Michigan and CV–the entire southern half of the LP Michigan (not just Detroit) has infection rates matching worst hit areas…
Sure, open up, liberate- go lick some doorknobs, shoot people wearing masks…feedumb lives!!
Oh, the horror:
Sorry but the virus is here and most of us are going to be exposed sooner or later. Pining for no more infections is naïve.
and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan hardly has any cases of the virus at all, but the orders from Die Fuhrer Whitmer apply the same there.
And Wittmer is the governor of Michigan, not of the UP, not of the lower LP–Govenor of Michigan as a whole.
Figure that one out.
Hey scaredy cat. Still cowevring in fear.
https://unherd.com/thepost/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-the-covid-19-epidemic-was-never-exponential/
The four horsemen of division
Facebook
Fox
NRA
Trump
Oddly enough, they are all warped to the purposes of Russia.
Wow! You still believe that fairytale? How about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?
What do you want to bet that njbr wanted to vote for Bernie?
Sad putzes, you are beloved in the world that doesn’t love the USA
Swallowing every bit of mis-direction and misinformation produced by China, North Korea, Iran, and, yes Russia.
If facebook removes other politically scandalous content but leaves this up, who made that decision and how do they benefit?
Shirley, there is no connection with encouraging violence and the unusual idea today of using the military to distribute of the “vaccine.”
People react violently to their freedom being restricted. Not exactly surprising
I recommend everyone on this board watch the HBO dramatic miniseries The Plot Against America, now available. It is riveting television, and I think it is pertinent to the days we live in.
Why would we watch leftist clap trap insulting an American hero. It was written by the tribe, for the tribe. The whole narrative is based on propaganda we have been stewing in ever since “The War To Save Joseph Stalin”.
I’ve read a lot of online fantasies from these people over the years, and in nearly every one both the cops and the military want to be on their side. I’ve always thought this was laughably naive, and before long we’ll finally see how this scenario plays out. Tension has been building for a while and at some point this will go hot.
If only these people could muster this sense of injustice toward the Fed where it really belongs. The bankers have screwed the whole country of course, but few have been bent over harder than those in MI and the rest of the rust belt.
In NYC the mayor has pulled back on the reigns of his police force that people on the street attack cops.
But do they know what the FED really is? My fear is, the mob, when hungry, will take it out at enemy they can see and grasp.
The book The Big Sort was written 12 years before Trump was elected. Decentralization and dissolution is inevitable. At least half the people are not buying the terrorism, WMDs, global warming and virus scare stories anymore.
The Elephant governor of Illinois is hiding out in his family’s Florida estate.
Do you have the address?
Capone used to hide out in his Florida estate also.
I despair for the USA with these kind of ignorant, bullyboys running around. What the hell to do. They should be in prison for the threats and intimidation and evil that spawns from their mouths. Can you just imagine if it was a schoolyard and what they must have been like. My kindest thoughts to all reasonable people in the USA. This is a small minority but this is the image being portrayed to the rest of the world.
he looks like a typical chumper…
Sooner or later it always comes down to force!
IF elected officials are duly elected by the majority of the people…and thus represent the wishes of the majority as well as adhering to rule of law…THEN the minority ought to go the route of falling in line or seeking to extol the logic of their desires to the majority in terms of better representation.
BUT if elections are no longer representative of the majority and obedience to rule of law (like the Constitution)….THEN we have come to the point of trying other means of persuasion.
The sole remaining thread of the Constitution as tied to this nation I believe is the franchise or right to vote. And in this current world of election by money and the business of voting (or counting votes) we are close if not at the point of resorting to other means.
For example, Dominion Voting Systems was this tiny little Canadian company that a couple professors created based upon some proprietary algorithms. That little private company managed to come down to the US and gobble up ES&S assets (Premier Election Systems, formerly known as Diebold Election Systems) along with Sequoia Voting Systems. Let me repeat…Tiny little Canadian company moves to Colorado and acquires #1 & #2 market share leaders literally months apart.
ES&S is still in the game with Dominion. Both are owned by private equity. Dominion used to advertise on their home page for a number of years…”We are much more than a systems manufacturer; we are an election solutions company.”
“I regard it as completely unimportant who in the party will vote and how, but it is extremely important who will count the votes and how.” – Joseph Stalin via his former personal secretary, Boris Bazhanov.
Remember, remember, the 5th of November
There’s a vote-counting conspiracy?
Our problem is that the majority of voters DO vote in control freaks. Because the majority is ignorant and foolish enough to believe in fantasies like “government funding” and “other people need to be controlled.”
Plenty of documentaries and court cases regarding manipulation of votes.
Leaving the question open – Are vote counts accurate???
In that environment frustrations arise. People choose other forms of outlets (for some like not voting)…and others it appears may be getting close to resorting to lead vaccine deployment…
Eh, a Facebook group, and freedom? Can be wiped out at the click of a mouse.
United we stand – divided we fall. At this time more than any other this country needs a leader who can unite rather than sowing the seeds of division. Churchill was a great leader that united his country during a time of war. Our current president is sorely lacking leadership qualities.
NY Times columnist suggests the liberals “gun up”:
The Masked Versus the Unmasked
How can Trump opponents take on people who will stop at nothing?
Roger Cohen
Opinion Columnist
May 15, 2020, 7:36 p.m. ET
I along with the other members of my extended family are progressive liberals. We have enough weapons and ammunition to arm both sides in an an African civil war. Many of us have extensive military experience. We are not alone and we are ready.
Read the comments. A lot of the progressive commenters are basically saying to bring it on.
Oh, for God’s sake, this is the Internet, the home of Junior High School level postings.
And, no one knows you’re a dog.
Jeez, if Newsweek wanted to bump their clicks, some friend could be posting that stuff. Advantage: Newsweek would be first-to-report! Where’s the downside?
But, hey, that’s silly. Doubtless these vile postings are from the Ruskies. No, no. The ChiComs. No, no. The Deep State. No. No. From a handful of people, not unlike commenters here or elsewhere, going hyperbolic as their emotions run away with them.
You would have to know the people in question to judge that though. I don’t know Michigan well, but other countries I do, and with some of those I know the depth of resentment that is behind how people are, if it is shallow or not. When you see certain attitudes surfacing it is often a good gauge of how people feel about something, sometimes they are letting off steam, sometimes you know they are at their limit though, and sometimes that limit is not just about the topic in question, but a whole load of previous event that occured over years or decades.
Once a circumstance flips, people can just go native , en masse, I have seen this happen and it is not something you would expect from them. I’m not saying that to sow fear or anything, it’s just that I think it is a mistake to automatically downplay. In the US there is often a lot of hype, I suppose you get used to it but am not sure that means you can tell when something isn’t.
On the flip side, most people are not crazy. And some “crazy” people are not crazy at all – they just see things others do not.
Our knowledge of crazy people is generally 2nd hand and subject to manipulation or simple telephone-game type noise.
As one must do when the media tells us a big, big number they really, really, really want to be a big number, we must always keep in mind whether the news we get 2nd hand is what the 1st hand really, really wants to tell us, true or not.
I try to keep this in mind when I read/hear about crazies somewhere distant from me. Such reports are like UFO reports from a far distant land. May be reality. But probably just click-bait.
No wonder Facebook continues to hire people. Pretty soon the whole platform will be overrun by crazies, but as long as they continue to click those ads, everything’s fine?
Wait till the virus makes a return later on, and the government tries to do another lockdown. This country might just blow apart.
Facebook is supposed to take crazies offline permanently. Facebook is doing a horrible job for sure. If you have the Facebook link – please report them on Facebook. These people are criminals but I am not confident they will be prosecuted. Law enforcement is understaffed and ill equipped to deal with all the people who threaten violence using social media.
“Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy.”
― Franz Kafka
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time ….
Slime meets Virus, a 21st century thriller that oozes suspense and has riveted country after country.
You know the point I am making on this post of Mish’s, is that if they get the equation wrong with regards to what society can tolerate, it will be much worse than just going for lesser measures. If authorities are seen to usurp, if they are understood to be taking advantage, they will lose any respect they were lent by parts of society , and at that point order will break down to a degree that makes any organised response impossible. That is part of the work of those in power, or should be – to find a reasoned response to difficulties, one that manages to incorporate the differences that exist in the society they are applying that response to.
We do not have “leaders” in America, we have public servants. Anyone who does not understand that is derelict in their duty as a Citizen.
The fact is that there is not a single politician in office on either side of the isle that does not deserve to be hung for treason against the Citizens of the US and that is the truth……
Here’s something that is probably upsetting people in MI:
Judge won’t order Owosso barber to close shop yet, but he faces 2 misdemeanors after reopening during shutdown
Megan Banta, Lansing State Journal
Published 2:59 p.m. ET May 11, 2020
Who cares
The local police and sheriff refused ti enforce Whitmer’s shut down order, so Queen Gretchen ordered his license revoked last Monday.
People trying to work to pay bills? Outrageous!
77 year old and still working, he can run for the president!
There is more, after the judge refused, the witch pulled his license. Nice.No wonder they want her beheaded.
Well, let’s look on the bright side. They aren’t calling for her to be drawn and quartered.
That seems a bit extreme. I would settle for tar and feathers, and run out of Lansing on a rail.
Mish, Are you suggesting that quoting Thomas Jefferson should get people thrown in jail?
Strawman, and Jefferson was never referring to an elected official who may simply have a different opinion on best policy option. The US has a way to deal with these, vote them out. In fact these nutcases are the tyrants who want to usurp government against the people.
I’m not so confident: it is more likely the nutcases become Trump appointees.
Who eggs it on & brags about shooting someone on 5th ave.?
Birds of a feather, flocking democracy up, bigly.
Could this be the reason so many are upset?
Different setting and different kinds of class, but somehow same kind of story
Governance will find that in spite of its own opinion, that it cannot just manage everything successfully by giving command or writing cheques. It’s a recipe for chaos, when you take away too much of a more natural order and try to replace it with a new format, there is not that much leeway in society, or in the economy, and it is soon used up. That the economy might get trashed anyway is besides the point, it doesn’t give someone who thinks that the right to take it over beforehand. Now, the virus will be around for months…indefinitely…the harsher restrictions cannot be kept in place for that time, and when they are eased inevitably there will be more transmission. Authorities need to explain their criteria, not just when lifting restrictions would occur but their whole approach they have planned for the coming year. That way it can be argued and reasoned with, instead of people being subject to whatever the headline is any particular day.
I suppose this type of hyperbole can only be used against Trump and his supporters.
Was Kathy Griffin thrown in jail. I personally don’t think she should have been.
From what was posted it is hard to say what was actually said except for some name calling. Sounds to me like more overreaction from the governor.
Also, it’s about time the A-holes in public office become a little afraid of the public. Then maybe they’ll behave themselves and stop using their office to loot the public.
A poll 2 days ago showed 72% of Michigan residents overall approve of Whitmer’s handling of the coronavirus outbreak. A previous Fox poll had 64% of registered voters approving. There were armed men in the capitol building recently. The A-holes are the ones with guns making threats when the majority in the state disagree with them.
Fake polls!
idiot
Good job. Everything you disagree with can be fake. You can always be right in your mind. Gold star for you. The foil sticker kind.
Ha, ha…even the one done by Fox???
Got news for you, it was only a minority of colonists that rose up against the Crown. Open a history book and read why we have the Bill of Rights. It has nothing to do with the preference of the majority. You’d be singing a different tune if a majority of your fellow citizens voted to deprive you of a right you hold dear.
Government policy by polls: what a bad idea! First off, the lock down order is probably unconstitutional. Second, it is very draconian and will likely destroy what is left of Michigan’s economy. Third, you are forgetting about all the people whose lives are being destroyed by these measures: to protect some fat or elderly people who can self isolate. What a dumb policy. Thank God some people still have the spirit of 1776! About time people started to fight back against the authoritarians.
There are far worse crimes committed at the Federal level every day. Politicians are destroying the US from within, massive spending programs, gross incompetence, liars running committees… When pensions and 401Ks are worth nothing, We the People might be finally stirred to action. Until then, perhaps the French can send DC a guillotine for the Mall. It would go a long way to accountability.
I’m not on FB. Is there a group for CA Governor Gavin Newsom? He deserves to be recalled.
Inslee, too.
Good luck with any of that. The handling of this virus may be worth a Civil War to some. It is THEIR blood that will fill the streets.
Newsom is one of the most popular governors in the US. A 70% approval rating last I checked.
Stalin peaked well above 100%. I can’t imagine Kim trailing that by much.
Either of which illustrate both why civilized countries can only remain so as long as their government stays limited in the extreme (Jefferson sized federal budgets); as well as why the much better governed Taliban controlled regions of Afghanistan, is the blueprint for the future; no matter how loudly and crassly well indoctrinated dupes of contemporary slave states, are being told to screech and howl and pump their fists in protest.
Jojo, Joshua Lindsay and Travis Allen are leading efforts to have Newscum recalled. Just google (or better yet duckduckgo) those names.
Every Labor Day, Michigan shuts down the Mackinac Bridge for the Bridge Walk commemorating the opening of the bridge in 1958. This walk is lead by the governor of the State of Michigan. Let’s see if Whitmer makes it across without getting thrown off.
Labor Day, that’s ironic.
Unfortunately the bridge walk is cancelled. Had we not gotten the U.P in the Ohio Michigan war, and if the U.P was part of Wisconsin,maybe we could still walk it
Or maybe if people didn’t threaten to murder their governor It would still happen. That seems the most reasonable and easily remedied option. Many of these people think personal liberty for themselves comes at the expense of others. These people are too selfish to see there is a greater good to serve and that this is the governor’s job.
They could just destroy her income, and plunge her into poverty, where she will be compelled to wait on food lines to feed her family. That might be kinder.
Who, Whitmer or the protesters ?
The rebels threatening the elected officials of Michigan. BTW, they aren’t the only ones who are ardent supporters of the Second Ammendment.
In my book, the fact that someone has been elected is neither here nor there. It is at best a token of trust where the elected person is charged with duties of organisation of society, within some very strict legal parameters. The moderation of the use of force that is placed in the hands of public authority, no matter if there exists a second amendment, is easily corrupted. You are faced therefore with a circumstance that does need regulation, and if you remove the individual’s ability to openly defend themselves as an act of transgression is taking place, then the contested theme inevitably becomes swamped in third hand opinion and delays. Some things are either right or wrong, and no moderation of the reply will ever be satisfactory, only corrupt or manipulative. If you forcefully remove someone’s livelihood, if you imprison them without that being as reply to their purposefully harming others or of holding a clear intent to , if you threaten or fine them incessantly for going about innocuous activity in public or in private, in my book that is wrong, virus or no virus.
Governance only “works” as long as it fits in with the understanding a population already has, it should formalise that understanding without undue imposition. Behaviour in public, in this case due to virus, is within that mandate, but that does not include the right to completely ban the use of public space without an extremely good reason. Stay at home law does that.
Private activity is private, I do not see how in law an authority has the right to close down private activity, it is as if it were taking the laws it would impose on public space and then by extension assuming it had right to apply those to the private sphere. Wrong way round in my opinion, or at the least any prudence applied by law to public space should be limited to that space.
Otherwise, second ammendment or not, people will rebel, they won’t wait several years till the next election. I think it is more fitting and effective that they challenge those that overstep their authority, rather than confront those who are only following an order to enact.