Airlines Struggle to Police Fake Certificates
In Europe, Fake Covid-19 Certificates Hit Airlines, Which Now Have to Police Them
Airlines are battling a scourge of passengers traveling with falsified Covid-19 health certificates.
Deutsche Lufthansa AG has been fined up to 25,000 euros, or about $29,800, by Germany for allowing passengers with false or incorrect documents to board, according to people familiar with the penalties.
Complications? You Bet!
At London Heathrow Airport, the additional checks by border control have led to lines of more than six hours for arriving passengers. That is with just 541,000 passengers passing through the airport in March, down 91.7% from the comparable period in 2019.
The EU wants airlines to enforce restrictions that it sets up, but that makes the airlines responsible for detecting easily faked documents.
The six hour wait time with traffic down 91.7% is a perfect of government sponsored madness that happens more in Europe than the US although we are not totally immune to such nonsense either.
Negative Tests Required in the US
On January 24, I noted new CDC Guidelines Require Proof of Negative Test on inbound international flights to the US.
It’s unclear how well the US is enforcing that requirement.
Where Can You Go?
Hooray! You are vaccinated and ready to travel. But where can you go?
You may be vaccinated but the World Still Isn’t Ready For US Travelers
US Vax Pass
No doubt the “solution” will be government-mandated heath passports in Europe.
What About the US and Canada?
- Chicago – Yes: Chicago’s public health commissioner, said the “Vax Pass” will be required to attend concerts and other summer events starting in May.
- Illinois – Up to Local Officials: The Sun Times says Gov. J.B. Pritzker is taking a pass on the “Vax Pass.” Instead of a passport, the governor said residents across the state will be provided with something more akin to a doctor’s note — and only if they ask for it.
- Missouri – Will Bar: The Missourian reports Missouri Senate renews push to bar vaccine passports and limit local health orders.
- US – Yes: On March 28, the Washington Post reported “Vaccine Passports are on the Way. The Biden administration and private companies are working to develop a standard way of handling credentials ”
- US – No: On April 6, the BBC reported US Rules Out Federal Vaccine Passports.
- Canada – Yes: Forbes reports Canada Will Require Using A Vaccine Passport For Entry.
40 States Will Ban Covid-19 Passports
Who’s in charge? That’s the key question as 40 States Creating Legislation to Ban Vaccine Passport Requirements.
At state Capitols across the country, lawmakers are advancing legislation to ban COVID-19 vaccine passport requirements for businesses and schools.
The vaccination passports currently exist in one state — a limited government partnership in New York with a private company — but that hasn’t stopped GOP lawmakers in a handful of states, including Pennsylvania, from rushing out legislative proposals to ban their use.
“Government should not require any Texan to have proof of vaccination,” said Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott.
While New York rolled out the “Excelsior Pass,” a digital vaccine passport, lawmakers in Indiana worked on a bill that includes a vaccine passport ban. It passed by a wide margin, just as many Hoosier state health departments saw an uptick in no-shows for COVID-19 shots.
Confusing Mess
It’s not at all clear what the procedure will be for international flights into the US. And if you wish to travel to Europe, expect long lines on top of needing a Vax Pass.
The EU and US are messes of a different kind. The result is a hodgepodge of conflicting and confusing regulations depending on where you are at and where you are headed.
Mish
Congress has the power, per the Constitution, to regulate commerce between the states. I’d venture to say that travel between states falls under that category. Requiring a quarantine period, as has been done of course, might skate. But requiring a de facto passport to travel from one state to another? Sketchy.
I’m not commenting on the vaccine, just on the legalities.
The vaccines DO have literally FAR reaching effectiveness, that much must be ‘scientifically’ obvious by now; almost fully vaccinated Israel is doing great, South Africa with merely 300K vaxxed ones on a 60 mln population is showing drastic improvement too…. Like I said, FAR reaching, great, effective vaccines !
Correlation vs. causation.
Be careful not to get caught in that trap. South Africa cannot claim that vaccination has done anything as the numbers are far too low …. however Ivermectin is now available there in quantity and in very wide use. I speak often to colleagues in SA and vaccination has barely even started.
Whoa! BIG BAD NEWS for all those who submitted to the vaccines. It’s not the virus that is the problem but the spike protein itself, which damages the vascular system. Read & weep:
Salk researchers and collaborators show how the protein damages cells, confirming COVID-19 as a primarily vascular disease
April 30, 2021
….I had expected the study to conclude that the present vaccines are inefficient..but it doesn t…
From my limited understanding at this point, the question seems to be does the development approach of mimicking the spike protein to try and muster the bodies defenses have the potential to cause long-term vascular damage (which may not show up for years)? Given that the vaccine dosage is small and limited, any damage may also be small. But regular booster shots may not be a good idea.
Also does the vaccine encourage the possibility of more autoimmune disease exposure, something that even prior to the vaccines seemed to be on the increase in recent years?
We ll see, said the blind man to the deaf guy ….
I bought mine at a corner convenience store just after I crossed the Rio Grande River into Texas, along with DL and SS cards.
The vast majority of Americans do not even own a passport so for them the idea of having a health passport is obviously a political issue and not an economic one. Frankly, I don’t care what the government of Missouri wants, I only care if I want to travel to Europe or Asia. They can impose their rules and not care what the GOP in Missouri wants.
Having recieved my vaccine a few months ago now, in the US, where its easily available, the idea is to be to be able to travel again. I have a health passport for yellow fever for when I travel to Africa. The vaccination car used in the US is an obvious way of abusing the system, because its so very easy to reproduce.
The issue is not what the various US state government want, its what the country receiving you requires.
More serious are the various pre-schools in the US that impose proof that you have not received the vaccine. That is just idiotic.
As usual, America will require those entering to have a vaccination passport that they recognize, but again its relatively small numbers. Companies I guess will relocate from states that prohibit vaccination or proof of vaccination. Health care providers will find a way to uninsured those who refuse to be vaccinated.
The power of ignorance at times is amazing. My guess is that those against vaccination are also the ones not vaccinated for Hepatitis or for smallpox.
And why would you guess that? (Clue: the MRNA shots are not vaccines!)
“The power of ignorance at times is amazing.”
Indeed. Reading your unfocused, illogical rant shows a high degree of economic and real life ignorance, possibly due to poor education or ADD.
I think Covid will go down in human history as one of the more silly ‘mass hysteria’ responses ever undertaken by the human race.
If vaccinated people can still pass on the virus and indeed get infected albeit in a milder form – then vaccination passports are meaningless.
If vaccines don’t work at all – then vaccine passports are meaningless.
Watch this video. One of the very rare smart people left in the world.
You clearly don’t understand how viruses work. All viruses can be passed on even with vaccinations.
Your source above is not credible:
In 2020, shortly after his retirement, Lee wrote several prominent articles in The Spectator magazine critical of the UK Government’s approach to the Covid 19 coronavirus outbreak,[4][5] and in particular of the UK Government’s lockdown of the UK from late March, arguing that the threat from the disease and the number of deaths being attributed to it were overstated, and that the Government response was an overreaction. In an interview on talkRADIO in January 2021, Lee claimed that the number of deaths was below average for the time of year. Fact checking organisation Full Fact challenged that this was incorrect and in the final four weeks of 2020 the number of deaths was higher than the last five years.[6]
I’m more curious to know why you felt the need to find something wrong with what he said.
If vaccines don’t work, as you say … then why do we even bother with them?
It’s time to call an end to this. Everyone who wants a vaccine can now get one. Thus, those not vaccinated are not vaccinated by choice. So, the government needs to stop paying for testing and stop paying for medical bills of those with Covid. They need to stop the Vac Pass nonsense, too. If people choose to not get vaccinated, there is no reason to protect them, and no reason to pay for their medical bills. They are adults, and they can deal with the consequences of their own decisions.
I already take vitamin D to boost my immune system. Even being in L.A. County, which had a serious spike in cases last fall, i have yet to have gotten sick from Covid.
The mRNA Covid vaccines were developed, violating the Nuremberg Code. They are not approved by the FDA, only approved for emergency use. There is no long term safety profile, as there is with other vaccines, as well as Ivermectin, which the national health authorities have been smearing, as they are all in, on a vaccine agenda.
There are people who have had serious adverse reactions to the mRNA vaccines and some 3,000 deaths associated with, though not proven to be due to them, as of yet.
The narrative is that the vaccines are safe. I don’t know that to be true.
On average, 7800 people in the US die each day. On average, each day of the last 60 or so, 1% of the US population per day was vaccinated. Thus, by random chance, 78 people per day should have died on the day they were vaccinated, and another 78 would die the second day, third day, and so on. Given that the people who have been vaccinated were, on average, older, and less healthy than the general population, the real number you’d expect would be 2-3 times that high. Thus, you would expect that about 10-15,000 people should have died the day they were vaccinated, and about 40-60,000 should have died within a few days of being vaccinated.
Is the vaccine causing additional deaths? If it is causing additional deaths, those would be in addition to the random deaths. When I read posts like yours, that say that 3000 people have died so far on the day they were vaccinated, that sounds remarkably low to me, since I would have expected to see 15,000. Keep in mind when looking at the 3000 number you cite, that during the same last 60 days, about 30,000 people died from Covid, virtually all from the non-vaccinated group, plus more of them died from random causes.
You have the right to choose whether to get vaccinated or not. I respect that right, and I opposed a Vac-Pass, or whatever. On the other hand, if your choice leads to bad results, I don’t want to hear about it.
You may find some interesting reading here, particularly the parts about Thalidomide.
May 3, 2021
A Vaxxing Question
Suzie Halewood
[ROFLOL] “So, the government needs to stop paying for testing and stop paying for medical bills of those with Covid.”
Sure thing. Don’t forget to include smokers, people not wearing seatbelts. people who refuse to follow healthy eating guidelines and pages more of non-compliant people.
Right, so everyone who has taken the MRNA shots should have all their support withdrawn when they develop Covid-19, by your reckoning? Seems a tad harsh! They do not stop the recipient from catching Covid-19, nor do they stop it from being passed-on to others. It makes those of us who are aware wonder why on earth would anyone risk taking a dangerous, untested and unlicensed injection to stop contracting something from which you have a 99.7% chance of recovery anyway, without taking it. By the way, you may well find that your life and travel insurance may be void, and the Pharma companies have no liability for any adverse reactions. Good luck with claiming against your government for reparations if you survive!
The pandemic phase is over. At most another 30-50k more will die from it, which is no worse than a seasonal flu, and we don’t have the government pay for everyone to get flu tests and pay for their hospitalization. We have a system in place for dealing with normal health issues, and that includes the seasonal flu, and should include what is left of Covid.
I’m having a little bit of difficulty figuring out the logic to vaccine passports.
People vaccinated are still able to carry the virus/new strains across sanitary borders ?
Any public space/gathering requiring passports is to ensure that those not vaccinated are not infected by those vaccinated … or to ensure they don’t infect each other there but not elsewhere ?
So it just adds up to reducing non vaccinated infecting each other (or from vaccinated) via an attempt at herd immunity of sorts by vaccination , in practical terms with open borders for the virus , with those not vaccinated and so not carrying a passport getting isolated ?
I guess it’s all for their own good ?
Strange world.
I’m glad you posted this, I thought it was just me that wondered this,
Thanks.
If authorities actually said clearly what the idea is, even if we did not agree at least we could argue or reason with it. As stands I have not read anywhere of this being presented, each choice or action seems pointed to a small specific part of what is going on only, but without giving any idea to the wider approach or view. Personally I find this disturbing, though I don’t know exactly why, whether if it speaks of lack of organisation, condescending attitude on society, escape from responsibility, or hidden agenda.
I think there’s a perception that once vaccinated you’re less likely to catch it and pass it on. The authorities are going along with it because they want people to be vaccinated. Perhaps there’s some truth that once vaccinated you wouldn’t pass on such a virulent dose?
L.A. County is allegedly on track to reach the yellow tier on Wednesday. More indoor capacity to be allowed. Disneyland is open this weekend, finally, for California residents only. Additionally, there is a general public promotion campaign to induce Californians to spend their tourist dollars in California, in order to boost the state’s economy.
Newsom and his administration are motivated to get everything open prior to his recall election with the hopes that all the voters will forget the many missteps he made in managing Covid. If we suffer a Covid resurgence requiring a new lockdown, then that could be the end of Newsom.
Ironically, that as the vaccination rate has gone up, then things have opened up. This is way it should be. The governor of Michigan is implementing an idea where things only get opened in proportion to % of people that are vaccinated. This makes sense. Disneyland closed a few years ago because of a measles outbreak because of unvaccinated travelers from Mexico and elsewhere. I’m not a huge Newsom fan but I think he’s taken the right approach overall in my state. California’s economy will recover because it always does. I think the states that took less cautious approaches did so because their state and local budgets were impacted very quickly.
“Ironically, that as the vaccination rate has gone up, then things have opened up.”
Ironically, the cases started dropping off before the vaccine could have been the cause of the decline.
Newsom did not take the right course. The lockdowns did not prevent a huge spike in cases in L.A. County during the fall/winter. They did however, do serious damage to the economy. Florida and California had similar Covid outcomes, despite Florida and Disney World being opened up last year, while Disneyland was shut down, leaving thousands out of work, till last week.
Trashing economies has done a lot of harm that has not been accounted for, yet. Not just in monetary terms, either.
Don’t impinge on our freedumb.
Joining the docile, non thinking herd and giving in to Big Pharma lobbied state indoctrination must be quite comfortable….
I understand risk, and I understand how vaccines work or don’t work….and they work far better with a high level of compliance.
OK then, what do you think the risk is, vax v don’t vax? Also, please tell us how the MRNA “vaccines” work.
I no longer provide long complicated answers to this kind of question , because it isn’t worth it to go to that much length to rebut some one-liner from a commenter who doesn’t care anyway.
But….
Nobody can argue against this:
Vaccines are far more effective…(this is for any vaccine, no matter what the tech involved), IF we can get a very high level of vaccination. So the odds for mankind are better if every human gets vaccinated.
I assume you won’t argue with that. It’s Vaccine 101, and nobody with any real knowledge would argue otherwise. Period. With 50% vaccination rates, we would NOT have wiped out polio, for instance. Or measles, or smallpox.
A number of bright people who post here have made the point that mRNA based vaccines are actually safer than traditional vaccines, because MRNA from the vaccine doesn’t even enter the cell nucleus, and in fact is gone altogether in a couple of days.
The J&J and AstraZenca COVID vaccines don’t use mRNA, so there are alternatives.
(As if that mattered to you, which I’m sure it does not.)
But so far the data (which is pretty good because we’ve now followed a lot of people for at least a few months) shows that MRNA COVID vaccines have FEWER side effects than the ones made using adenovirus…although the side effects of those (J&J and AZ) is slightly higher….this was to be expected, and was in fact predicted on this very forum months ago. The side effects are still occurring at an INFINITESIMALLY low level, and are as safe as any traditional vaccine
1.6 Billion people have been vaccinated, and the side effects are not zero, but they’re statistically insignificant. Can you do math?
I see only three possible reasons people refuse this vaccination.
One is that they’re very ignorant, and maybe have been influenced by false information. This is true for anti-vaxxers in general, and it can all be traced back to the original totally bogus claim that the MMR vaccine caused autism. The guy that said that was a liar and an extortionist, and he went to jail for fraud. But we still have people willing to argue about it. Go figure.
And the some of the same people argue that they personally don’t need the vaccine, because they aren’t high risk, or they think COVID won’t make them very sick….which ignores the first point I made…which is that we all need to do it for the common good. The truth is that these people are not worried about the common good, for the most part. They’re totally selfish.
Two…..is fear of the unknown….and I can say with complete certainty now that the risk of dying or suffering serious morbidity from COVID…..( for any person on earth) is higher than the risk of a vaccine related illness or death from the vaccine.
From your comment, I assume this group includes you.
Do you think the vaccine is perhaps going to make you stupider than you already are? Highly unlikely, if you ask me.
Three, the last reason people refuse the vaccine is because they perceive it as some kind of partisan political issue. “ Nobody can make me do anything, because I’m a sovereign citizen (or maybe a Trumpite)”….that kind of rot. You sound a lot like one of those people too, but I’m just guessing on that.
I hear all those arguments, and none of them makes the least bit of sense. But common sense is increasingly in short supply these days, and social media just makes it worse.
It’s good that you don’t make long replies because you honestly don’t know what you are talking about. It is clear that your mind is made up and that you believe you have god and science on your side. I believe you are old enough for this adage to apply:
“You can’t teach an old dog new tricks”.
MY mind is made up. ROTFLMAO!
Dude, I’m a doctor, not just some moron reporting what he read this morning on ZH. I actually have an education and 35 years of experience staying alive in a sea of blood and spit. My life depends on my knowledge. Piss off.
Sure, we can all tell how “smart” you are. Just because someone is an MD or dentist doesn’t mean they are especially intelligent. I know people in those fields like to think that they are though. Sad!
My intelligence or lack thereof has nothing to do with it.
I never claimed intelligence, I claim good training, and a knowledge of the medical science. I believe in evidence based treatment. I believe in data and statistics.
I was one of the first dentists in the US to treat an AIDS baby, and I’ve had worry about nasty viruses for my whole career. HIV, Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, Hepatitis C, and now COVID. I also developed a protocol for treating patients last year while the president of the ADA was at home sitting on his ass, and it’s worked very well.
I don’t give a rat’s ass who you know, or what you think, btw. Your asinine comments speak for themselves.
No SARS-CoV-2 vaccine prevents the vacciniated from spreading the virus. So what is the point of mandating vaccine passports?
In Japan, south Corea, Singapore, Taiwan, Vietnam, people coming from outside must be tested and endure a strict quarantine before they can move. Of course this is possible only in countries that have real borders.
The opposition would say those countries have very little freedom. They would be right. Even in normal times, Singapore was amongst the lowest ranked countries on this.
I think that the sum all the restrictions to freedom in USA and Europe, caused by covid, is much bigger than that in Singapore.
Yes because Singaporeans were never use to being “free” even before Covid. It wasn’t a huge change for them to wear masks or stay at home. Curfews and other laws in Singapore already exist for the safety of everyone.
And it didn’t work for Japan, which is currently suffering a resurgence of Covid. And they surely won’t be able to keep the same policy with the upcoming Olympics. At a minimum it would at least double the cost of the operation.
By the way this travel ban from india is a joke. Variants have now entered the US directly from India and multiple people who have returned from india and were healthy here are now in hospitals or have died in the US. The variants appear to affect unvaccinated healthy people in their 20s and 30s.
If India’s Covid problems are so bad, why wasn’t the travel ban instituted immediately? Why wasn’t anyone originating from India and landing in the USA immediately quarantined or turned back?
It’s nonsense delayed actions like this that cause people to pooh-pooh the regulations/laws put in place to supposedly fight Covid.
Because it wasn’t taken seriously enough by the US and still isn’t. People are in ERs again in the US that have travelled from India and we’ve heard of one case of a passenger dying within a few days after they got back from India. This is just now starting as travelers return from India. I fully expect there will be outbreaks, especially amongst non-vaccinated populations even in the US.
There is absolutely no evidence that any variant is more deadly than the original. Perhaps more infectious … but if anything less dangerous.
I’m starting to believe that the MSM is actually the virus.
This is really easy to do as athletes in tennis already had to have a biological passport for global Antidoping regulations. It would be fairly straightforward to leverage this for other purposes. This doesn’t speak to the legality of it but the framework is already in place.
They all want to a make a buck out of the Corona hype ….that s obvious.
They are ready for regulations. Ironically when this was instituted in the tennis world, there was some hemming and hawing and whining but now you don’t hear a peep 5 years later. Similar to wearing a seatbelt, paying taxes, or showing your ID when you travel, once it becomes integrated into the digital passport, people don’t even notice it anymore. And it has forced more compliance in tennis and caught the cheaters.
If you pay people like professional tennis players to conform to these rules you would expect that many would be fine with following them but if you don’t they won’t.
You clearly know nothing about professional tennis players. About 95% of the top 1000 players get make less than $10,000 a year. The prize money is not equitable and the top 50 or so can afford coaches and trainers. You don’t go into tennis for the money, because you have to foot most of the expenses yourself or from your parents or family. Tennis has a real income inequality problem. The prize money is ridiculously skewed towards the top 50.
From the link above: Around 80% of professional tennis players earn close to nothing
Com’om. It’s the possibility for them to make the big bucks that make them amiable to following the rules. Motivation 101
Of course there is motivation to play. But the truth is the bottom 90% no matter what point in time, are not well paid as you state. Most players end up broke at the end of their careers because the money made gets spent just surviving to play. making a few hundred thousand dollars over a 10 or 15 year career is really poverty level wages.
If you make a lottery where 10% of the people if they win make millions you would have a lot of people taking the chance. Your original tenet is that since professional tennis players ended up following the restrictive rules then you could expect non-tennis players to knuckle down and do the same. No I don’t think so because the motivation is not there. You are comparing apples with oranges and because they are both fruit they should taste the same. It’s not like that.
Wrong again. I said nothing of compliance. I just said the infrastructure and framework was already in place. It would clearly take a slow process of extending to other travelers who would want to be compliant but similar to other rules that travelers must follow, most would comply or just choose not to travel.
Using the tennis pro framework is the wrong one to use because it applies to a small group of highly motivated people to follow the rules because of a potential very lucrative financial and status payout. They are motivated by the big carrot. You don’t have a big carrot like that in regular life so it wouldn’t work. To motivate people to follow the new rules that you like one would have to resort to the stick which often engenders resentment unless there is a clear and urgent reason which in our case is declining for now as cases and deaths decline. However since times like these stimulate controlfreakism we will have to deal with people who want to use this for empowerment of themselves.
The big carrot is the ability to travel. How did you get to France if you didn’t follow federal laws ?
I got a passport of course because countries want to know who gets into their country. Expanding passports to internal travel is something the Soviet Union did to control their population movements. You needed a passport to go a hundred miles. You needed a passport to visit a big city. Maoist China did the same and many of those controls are still in place there. Are you advocating something like that? Granted it’s a great way to control the people and keep them from causing trouble and there are people in the US that admire the Chinese system. Among them are some in the Tech industry that are pushing for the social score system. Are you one of them? It would be nice to know your position.
No. I’m not that level of a control freak. I’m just saying it isn’t impossible to imagine and extension of the current system where a covid vaccine stamp or something similar would become part of your passport of electronic drivers license to even travel by air domestically. Anyone supporting most of anything done in China is simply crazy.
Do you really think that the present situation is as dire as to merit going that far now since infection and deaths have fallen quite a bit? Something as drastic as that could make sense if it were a temporary measure necessary for an extreme situation, one in which we are not in today. By your reasoning when it comes to tying your ID to go on a plane to your medical situation why stop at Covid? Why not do the same for AIDS or any other of the 500 potentially infectious diseases. What about parasites then. Would you like to take the plane next to someone with ringworm or scabies?
I understand what you are trying to say. It’s just that I feel there is no need for that level of control at this time for such measure.
I agree no measures are necessary. It would better if they waited a year and let the level of herd immunity go up as it will over time. It took the world about 3 years for flu pandemic to subside. I think by spring 2022, most of the world will be a better place and nearly back to normal.
You stated: If you pay people like professional tennis players to conform to these rules you would expect that many would be fine with following them but if you don’t they won’t.
So it isn’t the pay. It is just the rules of their chosen career and it doesn’t change the fact that bottom 90% or more of players make less than 10k per year.
The problem is that the universe of professional tennis players is very small and they operate under the auspices of a signal rule enforcement body.
The populations of a state or a country such as the USA is much, much bigger and operate under a variety of different local & state laws.
Your not even comparing apples and oranges here. You are comparing giant pumpkins to grapes.
You can talk about state and local all you want but once you are in inside an airport, FAA rules must be followed. Actually if you want to travel, federal laws must be followed or you can get kicked off the plane (there are plenty of people this has happen to). If you want to travel internationally, both departing and arrival country laws must be followed. There is no doubt about who governs travel in the United States or elsewhere. In many states, the federal regulations on driver’s licenses have already kicked into place for travel domestically. It wouldn’t be difficult to make Covid or other regulations part of this. US and other passports now have a chip in them. Put a GPS or other network interface on this (which may have already been done), and you can find travelers at all times or at least know where they last were.
You are talking as if we are living in the 1700s. Much of the infrastructure is already in place and it wouldn’t take much of an extension to go further. Federal law always supersedes state and local laws when it comes to interstate and even intrastate travel via air. As we all know, if you want to enter the gate area or plane, you are essentially into federally governed territory.
This is idiotic. You have to show proof of vaccinations to attend schools in most states, public or private.
Unless it can be verified to the level of a real passport it is useless because it will be easy to falsify so why bother?
They still haven’t pulled off realid… no way they can do this.
You have to put the bar really high. If it is easy to fake then there will be a lot of fakes. It is possible to fake a passport or a high-level ID but it is extremely difficult and expensive so limited to a very small number of people. If it is just paper or even like a drivers license then millions could get fake ones making them even less than worthless. It would be a waste of money and resources as well as lowering the credibility of the government when people see that it is a joke..
Like masking, the purpose isn’t to implement something that actually works but to “LOOK” like you are doing something to make your potential customers feel safe so that they will buy your product/service.
It doesn’t matter if something can be faked, this is a matter of Liberty and creating a two-tiered society.
It’s simple, people like me not wanting to be guinea pigs in the overhyped, jolly, global Freedom Experiment should wear a Yellow Star ….and a number tattooed on their arm…will be a chip these days. You could of course also chip(or tattoo) the vaxed ones, but that gonna be quite expensive with 70% and ticking already brainwashed by the hourly ads on TV, radio, newspapers etc….’Folks, the vaccine will set us free’ Just have it’ !
There’s a Lot That Can Go Wrong With ‘Vaccine Passports’
Any proposal for vaccine credentials must be primarily paper-based, decentralized, and protect privacy.
March 31, 2021
Oops!
Federal law prohibits employers and others from requiring vaccination with a Covid-19 vaccine distributed under an EUA
By Aaron Siri
Feb. 23, 2021
Laws can and will be changed overnight, when judged necessary….
But they haven’t yet. Therefore, attempts to impose a requirement are illegal.
I’m still not understanding this Covid fear. US deaths have been high for a flu season but not record breaking; deaths among the healthy are very low. Yet we should all clamor to be injected with an experimental drug, one whose manufacturer cannot be sued if the drug causes you injury or death? One that has not been tested for long term effects? And the government and companies (both of whom, of course, will be limited in their liability of injury or death) should force people to be injected with experimental drugs?
All through this last year of Covid fear (something this small shouldn’t be called a pandemic – it’s an insult to real pandemics), I’ve lived maskless, shook hands (or at least proferred one) to most, and none have come back saying I’ve made them sick, nor have I gotten sick. And after two months of Covid restriction removal here in Texas and calls that we’re all gonna die, where is the death? Where’s the higher Covid? Nothing. Yet I should have a gun put to my head and be made to be part of a pharmaceutical company’s experiment? Please, again, tell me why I would want this, in a reasonable (i.e. using reason, logic, and facts) manner.
So encouraging to see the readiness of people to create an all-new segregation between the enlightened and brave vaccinated and the boorish and ignorant un-vaxxed. Let’s simply disregard individual choices of what people want to put in their bodies, and begin ostracizing and fire from gainful employment those that don’t conform.
It’s a glorious dream.
Right out of the pages of Fahrenheit 451.
And if there is evidence that trying to vaccinate out of a pandemic still in the process of mutating and changing, let’s just censor all information that might say this is dangerous.
The larger the pool of the unvaccinated, the greater the potential for mutations and variants to emerge. The COVID variants in India arose in exactly that kind of situation.
Exactly. There wont be a silver bullet for covid and vaccines will be needed every year like the flu vaccine.
…it s said (and already proven) that the vaxed ones can still host the virus without getting seriously ill, meaning that the virus can live happily in your lungs, your heart, your brain etc…. The vaccines don t kill the virus, makes me wonder about the long term effects of a similar situation…..
Well, people who have had chickenpox could recover from it and get shingles several decades later when the dormant virus attacks again.
What happens with COVID virus YEARS later is unknown and unknowable. But what IS known is that if it attacks you, then you could be gone in a matter of HOURS.
“But what IS known is that if it attacks you, then you could be gone in a matter of HOURS.”
But the vast majority of people will work their way through it with no lasting after effects. In the USA 99.82% of people who contact Covid DO NOT die from it! Who knew?
The pool is the 7 billion or so who are not vaccinated and probably won’t be for a time. Variants will inevitably arise no matter what we do.
That is where the travel restrictions (and quarantine in those cases where travel is unavoidable) come into play.
Throwing up one’s hands and saying bad things will happen no matter what, is defeatist and irresponsible.
International travel restrictions are a given. Travel restrictions within vaccinated populations is not always necessary.
“Guidance from the CDC issued in April 2021 states that fully vaccinated people may travel more freely within the US. Travelers do not need to get COVID testing before or after travel and do not need to quarantine, unless required by local or state authorities.
The CDC is more cautious about international travel, noting the increased risk of variants in other countries, even for people who are fully vaccinated.
As a general rule, travel can increase your chance of spreading and getting COVID-19 if you are not vaccinated. The CDC recommends that unvaccinated travelers get tested before and after domestic travel and self-quarantine for seven to 10 days after travel. They discourage unvaccinated people from travelling outside of the US.
All travelers should wear a mask that covers the nose and mouth, maintain a physical distance of six feet from others, avoid crowds, and wash hands often.”
Yes I know what the CDC says about travel and my comments largely mirror what they say although I am not sure what they are saying about border control these days. If they are lax about it then they are not following the science and are showing political or perhaps realistic bias. What are your thoughts on that?
They have specific guidelines re: refugees.
That’s the plan but are the measures being followed? My question pertains to that because plans are easy to make but hard to implement. The CDC’s plan updated in 2017 for containing very dangerous respiratory viral pandemics was very good on paper but turned out to be unworkable because of erroneous assumptions.
Plans are based on what is known at that time, plus reasonable assumptions and extrapolations of available data. No plan is written on stone. Course corrections are not only inevitable, but absolutely necessary.
That’s why we need verification to see if the plan is working or not just dog and pony shows by politicians and pet media.
Of course. This is just one example of the research findings on mRNA vaccines.
Thank you for the links but I am already well aware of many of these things since I have a masters in microbiolgy and worked in the field overseas when I was a young sprout.
So a 37% chance that they are not effective? Might that not send people down the road of depression IF they contacted Covid after getting their vaccine shots?
“All travelers should wear a mask that covers the nose and mouth, maintain a physical distance of six feet from others, avoid crowds, and wash hands often.””
And yet the CDC has nothing to say about airlines all allowing the middle seat to be filled in airplane’s now.
The big reason why those states that have been able to contain the virus is extremely effective border control.
Left on their own, virus mutations tend to be LESS infectious as time goes on.
Surely any “vax pass” will run afoul of HIPAA privacy laws.
I love it when Republican hypocrites tell private businesses what they can or cannot do. They will do anything to satisfy their ignorant anti vaxxer base. Forget that 73% of Americans think vaccine passports are a good idea.
I guess you really don’t understand the whole bigger picture. First off the fact you use the term anti vaxxer would make you a very uneducated person. The shots currently being given are not vacines. They are experimental drugs. Pfizer has glycol propylene in it, an antifreeze and God knows what it does to your dna….the company certainly doesn’t. Moderna says on their website that the shot is an operating system. Time do your own research and check in with your insurance company to see what exclusion they will now add to your policies. Also ask your doctor for a letter stating you will not suffer any medium to long term effects from the “shot” you got. This is not about politics, it is about sovereignty of the individual and the ability to use critical thinking and make your own decisions. Just exactly were did you get your percentage? MSM or someone making billions on “vaccines”.
And remember, 73% of lemmings can’t be wrong!
And only about 3% odd America fought during the revolutionary war. Also a majority of Americans thought black people were subhuman, not just in the south during the civil war. What’s your point?
Only about 3% fought in the Revolutionary War. And a vast majority of Americans thought that black people were a subhuman race during the Civil War including those who lived in the north. What’s your point?