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Fed Interest Rate and QE Policy Mistakes in Pictures and Silly Fed Comments

Janet Yellen “Inflation before the pandemic was too low rather than too high.”

The Fed’s big mistake repeated and then doubled down was not considering asset prices, especially home prices in interest rate policy.

When you are clueless about inflation you cannot possibly get policy right. The tendency is to overshoot in both directions creating asset bubbles of increasing amplitude over time.

Period 2000-2007

The Fed, in the wake of the 2001 dot-com bubble crash (a bubble fueled by inept Greenspan policy and nonsensical fears of a Y2K issue), held interest rates too low, too long.

A housing bubble ensued, with home prices rising 85.2 percent in 7 years. Things looked benign to the Fed because its preferred measure of inflation, the PCE, was only up 16.4 percent.

Bernanke October 27, 2005: There’s no housing bubble to go bust

Bernanke March 26, 2012: Fed didn’t cause housing bubble “The decline in house prices by itself was not obviously a major threat.”

Period 2012-2019

In this period, PCE was only up 10.6 percent. But home prices were again raging, up 57.5 percent.

Housing prices bottomed in 2012. That was a clear sign the Fed should step back from loose policy and QE. Instead, the Fed oblivious, worse actually, because the Fed accelerated QE.

December 13, 2017: Yellen’s only regret as Fed chair: Low inflation The Fed’s failure to bring inflation up to its 2 percent mandate is Yellen’s single disappointment.

“We have a 2 percent symmetric inflation objective. For a number of years now, inflation has been running under 2 percent, and I consider it an important priority to make sure that inflation doesn’t chronically undershoot our 2 percent objective,” said Yellen.

10.6 percent total inflation in 7 years is well under the Fed’s 2.0 percent inflation, per year, compounded for 7 years.

Meanwhile, inflation expectations were near or over 3.0 percent for the entire period, proving how useless expectations are.

For a chart showing inflation expectation vs reality, please see How Do Inflation Expectations Impact Wages and Future Consumer Inflation?

The median point projection one year ahead is a real hoot. If anything, inflation projections are a lagging indicator, catching up to what consumers have seen and predicting more of it.

On August 27, 2020, Powell announces new Fed approach to inflation

In a move that Chairman Jerome Powell called a “robust updating” of Fed policy, the central bank formally agreed to a policy of “average inflation targeting.” That means it will allow inflation to run “moderately” above the Fed’s 2% goal “for some time” following periods when it has run below that objective.

“Many find it counterintuitive that the Fed would want to push up inflation,” Powell said in prepared remarks. “However, inflation that is persistently too low can pose serious risks to the economy.”

Over the years, fundamental changes in the economy, such as demographics and technology, have shifted the Fed’s focus to inflation that has run too low.

The situation, Powell said, “can lead to an unwelcome fall in longer-term inflation expectations, which, in turn, can pull actual inflation even lower, resulting in an adverse cycle of ever-lower inflation and inflation expectations.” 

While Powell did not specify how much higher he’d like to see inflation run, Dallas Fed President Robert Kaplan later in the day told CNBC that he would be content with a range around 2.25%-2.5%.

Powell is every bit the idiot that Yellen was, Bernanke before Yellen, and Greenspan before Bernanke.

Period 2020-2025

Clearly the Fed made up for lack of prior inflation, and then some. Somehow, they all forgot to take a bow for making up for past too lowness.

In this period, the PCE soared 21.2 percent, the CPI 23.6 percent, and housing another 52.2 percent.

Hello Jerome Powell. Where is your statement now on your “robust updating” and agreement to a new policy of “average inflation targeting.”

It seems to me that we need a period of below 2.0 percent inflation to make up for your overshooting, which by the way, not a single one of you foresaw.

Former Fed Chair, but then current Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen had this amusing comment.

On March 8, 2021, Bloomberg reported Yellen Says Stimulus Unlikely to Cause Inflation Problem

Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen dismissed fears that President Joe Biden’s $1.9 trillion pandemic-relief bill is so big that it will cause an inflation problem, as she seeks to push the recovery deeper into the U.S. labor market to address long-standing economic disparities.

She has repeatedly rejected concerns that Biden’s stimulus is excessive given the economy’s signs of recovery, and that run-away inflation could damage the economy.

“I really don’t think that’s going to happen,” she said Monday on MSNBC. Inflation before the pandemic “was too low rather than too high,” she noted. “If it turns out to be inflationary, there are tools to deal with that,” she said of the stimulus package.

On June 22, 2021, the AP reported Fed’s Powell says high inflation temporary, will ‘wane’

The incoming data are very much consistent with the view that these are factors that will wane over time and then inflation will then move down toward our goals.

Also on Monday, New York Federal Reserve Bank President John Williams, who also serves as vice chair of the Fed’s policymaking committee, said that currently high inflation is likely transitory.

I expect that as price reversals and short-run imbalances from the economy reopening play out, inflation will come down from around 3% this year to close to 2% next year and in 2023,” Williams said.

Trained Economic Idiots

One might think that the Fed might have been able to figure out that record fiscal stimulus on top of record and ongoing QE would do to inflation, but one would be wrong.

I suspect the IQs of Bernanke, Powell, Yellen, and Greenspan are very high. But not a one of them has any common sense, and they all believe in disproved economic nonsense like Phillip’s Curve and inflation expectations.

Up and down the line, everyone one of these Fed Chairs is a trained economic idiot.

Bernanke, Greenspan, and Powell all missed obvious economic bubbles. Not a one of them understand that asset bubbles are the problem, not low inflation.

Compounding the problem, these economic jackasses do not have any idea how to measure inflation.

The Fed Uncertainty Principle

Please consider The Fed Uncertainty Principle written April 3, 2008 before the collapse of Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns.

Does the Fed Follows the Market?

Most think the Fed follows market expectations.

However, this creates what would appear at first glance to be a major paradox: If the Fed is simply following market expectations, can the Fed be to blame for the consequences? More pointedly, why isn’t the market to blame if the Fed is simply following market expectations?

This is a very interesting theoretical question. While it’s true the Fed typically only does what is expected, those expectations become distorted over time by observations of Fed actions.

If market participants expect the Fed to cut rates when economic stress occurs, they will take positions based on those expectations. These expectation cycles can be self-reinforcing.

The Observer Affects The Observed

The Fed, in conjunction with all the players watching the Fed, distorts the economic picture. I liken this to Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle where observation of a subatomic particle changes the ability to measure it accurately.

The Fed, by its very existence, alters the economic horizon. Compounding the problem are all the eyes on the Fed attempting to game the system.

A good example of this is the 1% Fed Funds Rate in 2003-2004. It is highly doubtful the market on its own accord would have reduced interest rates to 1% or held them there for long if it did.

What happened in 2002-2004 was an observer/participant feedback loop that continued even after the recession had ended. The Fed held rates rates too low too long. This spawned the biggest housing bubble in history. The Greenspan Fed compounded the problem by endorsing derivatives and ARMs at the worst possible moment.

In a free market it would be highly unlikely to get a yield curve that is as steep as the one in 2003 or as steep as it was just weeks ago when short term treasuries traded down to .21%.

The Fed has so distorted the economic picture by its very existence that it is fatally flawed logic to suggest the Fed is simply following the market therefore the market is to blame. There would not be a Fed in a free market, and by implication there would be no observer/participant feedback loop.

Fed Uncertainty Principle: The fed, by its very existence, has completely distorted the market via self-reinforcing observer/participant feedback loops. Thus, it is fatally flawed logic to suggest the Fed is simply following the market, therefore the market is to blame for the Fed’s actions. There would not be a Fed in a free market, and by implication, there would not be observer/participant feedback loops either.

Corollary Number One: The Fed has no idea where interest rates should be. Only a free market does. The Fed will be disingenuous about what it knows (nothing of use) and doesn’t know (much more than it wants to admit), particularly in times of economic stress.

Corollary Number Two: The government/quasi-government body most responsible for creating this mess (the Fed), will attempt a big power grab, purportedly to fix whatever problems it creates. The bigger the mess it creates, the more power it will attempt to grab. Over time this leads to dangerously concentrated power into the hands of those who have already proven they do not know what they are doing.

Corollary Number Three: Don’t expect the Fed to learn from past mistakes. Instead, expect the Fed to repeat them with bigger and bigger doses of exactly what created the initial problem.

Corollary Number Four: The Fed simply does not care whether its actions are illegal or not. The Fed is operating under the principle that it’s easier to get forgiveness than permission. And forgiveness is just another means to the desired power grab it is seeking.

The Fed Uncertainty Principle is still my all-time favorite post.

BIS Deflation Study

The BIS did a historical study and found routine price deflation was not any problem at all.

Deflation may actually boost output. Lower prices increase real incomes and wealth. And they may also make export goods more competitive,” stated the study.

For a discussion of the BIS study, please see Historical Perspective on CPI Deflations

Asset Bubble Deflation

It’s asset bubble deflation that is damaging. When asset bubbles burst, debt deflation results.

Central banks’ seriously misguided attempts to defeat routine consumer price deflation is what fuels the destructive build up of unproductive debt and asset bubbles that eventually collapse.

The problem is not deflation, it’s the Fed’s misguided attempts to prevent it.

Transitory Makes a Comeback

On March 29, 2025, I noted Fed Chair Jerome Powell Revives the Words “Transitory Inflation”

Please note Powell revived from the dead, the word “Transitory”.

Powell has two chances to be right. The first is transitory happens and we all live happily forever more.

The second way is Trump’s tariffs and other economic policies crash the markets bringing asset price deflation in a big recession coupled with crashing interest rates.

Alternatively, we could have a huge bout of stagflation with Powell looking like a fool for reviving the word.

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March 27, 2025: US Debt Will Grow to a Staggering 156 Percent of GDP by 2055

If Congress extends the TCJA tax cuts with no offsetting savings, the deficits will surge.

For more discussion of the silliness of inflation expectations, please see Consumer Sentiment Dives to Lowest Level Since 2022 as Inflation Expectations Jump

The one place expectations do matter is in asset bubbles, and it’s the only place the Fed doesn’t look!

The risk of debt deflation and an asset price collapse is very real. Trump policies, especially tariffs, compounds that risk.

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Gary L
Gary L
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Great area for your photographic magic. Can’t wait to see some captures.

Bruce
Bruce
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Enjoy and I hope it’s productive. You are a terrific photographer!

Abcd
Abcd
1 year ago

I appreciate the informative and interesting reports and website. Not sure how much I’ll continue to comment as I’m hesitant to log in to things and I often impatiently react out of frustration, based on gut feeling, lacking much knowledge, then later regret the negativity of my tone because I don’t want to dispirit anyone. But either way, I’ll continue to be an avid reader.

val
val
1 year ago

Mish gives too much credit to Janet Yellen’s intelligence. She is a garçon of Brookings Institution. After Yellen left the Fed in 2017, she immediately went to Brookings, there greeted by Ben Bernanke. Before Yellen left the Treasury, she announced she would return to Brookings. Brookings is ensconced, and committed to, euro-progressive mentality. The Fed will not bail on Europe. Although, the Fed is short on non-inflationary liquidity. 

Yellen’s junket between the Fed and Treasury was a year of lectures, given to the same corporate investors she held closed door meetings while Fed Chairman. Meetings, where Yellen evasively used the term “a good thing to think about”, a reference to future Fed policy. Yellen’s gratuity was $7M in one year, twice her net worth before she became Fed Chairman. 

In the same way Powell terms inflation as “transitory”, Yellen would evasively call inflation a “high pressure economy”, that needed to be maintained. The Fed needed to prolong inflation because it increased home values. The basic tenet to secular stagnation theory, which commenced with Yellen’s term as Fed Chairman.

Counter
Counter
1 year ago

They didn’t make mistakes because it was intentional

steve
steve
1 year ago

Not every star in the sky, or drop of rain, or grain of sand, or every atom of which they are made, could ever hope to equal the number of fiat dollars the federal reserve will ‘print’ to maintain the unearned ascendancy of it’s cronies.

gerhard
gerhard
1 year ago

‘Inflation’ except for these essential things you can’t live without.

– Bankers

End the Fed. Prosecute them too for all this harm.

bmcc
bmcc
1 year ago

the fed knows what they are doing. they are owned and created by the nyc money center banks. the rest is just kabucki. see creature from jekyll island. the 3rd central bank of the usa. the premise they don’t know what they are doing is erroneous.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago

Will the high tech sector benefit from tariffs or not ?

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Engel

Mish: if QQQ benefits from tariffs it will carry SPX higher. If your answer is: yes, it can benefit today, not within 10/15 years. By the end of the decade there will be a few stopping action from a much higher level. The high tech will spread to every sector. Demand for highly skilled workers will be high…Tax collection will +….+….Mish might says: No. Yes will kill his blog.

Last edited 1 year ago by Michael Engel
Laura
Laura
1 year ago

We need to eliminate the fed. Let the market set interest rates.

Abcd
Abcd
1 year ago
Reply to  Laura

Agree, Thomas Massie, the rep from Kentucky, and one of the very few fiscally responsible congress members has a bill to end the fed but for it to pass, the voice of citizens in support of it needs to be greater than the counter support to continue the deficit spending and money printing. It seems our population is substantially uninformed and unaware of our predicament and bringing back civics education to schools would be a beneficial step in restoring our nations stability.

https://massie.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=395707

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago

Forbes: In 2024 the US had 902 billionaires with $6,7T total assets. China had 450 billionaires, Ilan total assets: $342B. Zuk: $216B, Bezus: $215. LVMH Bernard Arnault: $178B.

JIM
JIM
1 year ago

The creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 was, and continues to be this countries Worst/Biggest mistake in its history! Nothing else comes close!

Dave Smith
Dave Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  JIM

Maybe Nixon removing the dollar’s last tie to gold ‘temporarily’ in August, 1971.

bmcc
bmcc
1 year ago
Reply to  JIM

that was just the 3rd central bank in our short history. i agree it is a curse, except for her owners, the nyc bankers. the rest is eyewash.

steve
steve
1 year ago
Reply to  JIM

Probably 2nd worst was ending the Navy’s OSS and starting up the CIA.

Gary L
Gary L
1 year ago

The market is mistaken then. The Fed follows the market via 3/6 month T-Bills. Look at the charts. But somehow the Fed is blamed, although they exacerbate the problem. Time to give up the fantasy.

Michael Engel
Michael Engel
1 year ago

DIA looney Park: tariffs will send DIA below March low, before testing the highs, or reaching a new all time high. Thereafter a rd trip to Sept close, No rates cut, No recession. In Q3/Q4: after a few scary red, another all time high. The plunge might come in late 2026. It will last two years.

David Heartland
David Heartland
1 year ago

I agree with my fellow readers, Mish. THANK YOU!

David Heartland
David Heartland
1 year ago

“I suspect the IQs of Bernanke, Powell, Yellen, and Greenspan are very high. But not a one of them has any common sense, and they all believe in disproved economic nonsense like Phillip’s Curve and inflation expectations.”

This speaks to the issue of IQ’s having little to do with making decisions – – UNLESS the goal is to screw over the Common Wage earners with inflation that is not tolerable.

They are ADMITTING to an Inflation rate policy/goal which makes everything 20% more expensive every ten years and yet WAGES never keep up.

Of course, we know that they REMOVE key components to keep the admitted inflation rate FALSE.

Then, the admitted rate is too low so they change the goal posts lower. The lies keep piling up. I hate the FED.

I’m back robbyrob
I’m back robbyrob
1 year ago

The Code That Controls Your Moneyhttps://www.wealthsimple.com/en-ca/magazine/cobol-controls-your-money

SPENCER
SPENCER
1 year ago

Ignorance of economic laws is no excuse. These pundits need lined up against a wall and executed for treason.

Bankers pay for the deposits that they already own.

See: “Profit or Loss From Time Deposit Banking”, Banking and Monetary Studies, Comptroller of the Currency, United States Treasury Department, Irwin, 1963, pp. 369-386

David Heartland
David Heartland
1 year ago
Reply to  SPENCER

Spencer, they KNOW what they are doing is bad for us and they do not care.

SPENCER
SPENCER
1 year ago

Actually, they don’t know and I’m not going to educate them.

SPENCER
SPENCER
1 year ago
Reply to  SPENCER

this is the trajectory for inflation

08/1/2024 ,,,,, 0.008 bottom
09/1/2024 ,,,,, 0.027
10/1/2024 ,,,,, 0.040
11/1/2024 ,,,,, 0.054
12/1/2024 ,,,,, 0.069
01/1/2025 ,,,,, 0.086
02/1/2025 ,,,,, 0.082
03/1/2025 ,,,,, 0.072
04/1/2025 ,,,,, 0.092
05/1/2025 ,,,,, 0.096
06/1/2025 ,,,,, 0.103
07/1/2025 ,,,,, 0.101
08/1/2025 ,,,,, 0.110
09/1/2025 ,,,,, 0.113 top
10/1/2025 ,,,,, 0.107
11/1/2025 ,,,,, 0.108
12/1/2025 ,,,,, 0.085
01/1/2025 ,,,,, 0.097

Waller, Williams, and Logan seem to agree. They “believe the Fed can keep unloading bonds even when officials cut interest rates at some future date.”

It’s called N-gDp targeting, Dr. Scott Sumner’s work.

Contrary to Nobel Laureate Dr. Milton Friedman, there is no “fool in the shower”
 
“Extrait du Bulletin de ISI of 1937”. – History and forms. Irving Fisher (1925) was the first to use and discuss the concept of a distributed lag.

In a later paper (1937, p. 323), American Yale Professor Irving Fisher stated that the basic problem in applying the theory of distributed lags:

“is to find the ’best’ distribution of lag, by which is meant the distribution such that … the total combined effect [of the lagged values of the variables taken with a distributed lag has] … the highest possible correlation with the actual statistical series … with which we wish to compare it.”

…Thus, we wish to find the distribution of lag that maximizes the explanation of “effect” by “cause” in a statistical sense”.

Last edited 1 year ago by SPENCER
SPENCER
SPENCER
1 year ago
Reply to  SPENCER

WSJ 6/28/1983: “The experimental measures are designed to resolve some of the confusion by isolating money intended for spending, from the money held as savings. The distinction is important because only money that is spent-so-called “true money” – influences prices and inflation”

See: New Measures Used to Gauge Money supply WSJ 6/28/83. Neither William Barnett nor Paul Spindt, nor the St. Louis Fed’s technical staff in 2008:

“Although the evidence is mixed, the MSI (monetary services index), overall suggest that monetary policy *WAS ACCOMMODATIVE* before the financial crisis when judged in terms of liquidity;

…use accurate money flow metrics reflecting changes to AD. 

All of these economists omit the most important, distributed lag effect of money flows, volume times transactions’ velocity.

What is money. Money is the measure of liquidity. It is the “yardstick” by which the liquidity of all other assets is measured.  

SPENCER
SPENCER
1 year ago
Reply to  SPENCER

Like I said:
The only tool, credit control device, at the disposal of the monetary authority in a free capitalistic system through which the volume of money can be properly controlled is legal reserves. The FED will obviously, sometime in the future, lose control of the money stock.
May 8, 2020. 10:38 AMLink

SPENCER
SPENCER
1 year ago
Reply to  SPENCER

We hit an all-time high in the rate-of-change in our means-of-payment money supply in November 2020. What did you expect to happen.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

To what degree – if any – is the current stock market a bubble created by still-too-low interest rates, deficit spending and QE?

JayW
JayW
1 year ago
Reply to  Sentient

41,984 / 2 = 20,992

So, I’d say about 200% ; )

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
1 year ago

The Fed Uncertainty Principle is still my all-time favorite post.

It’s one of my favorite ones too and after reading this blog for nearly 20 years the needle hasn’t moved much against the Fed. “Audit the Fed” in 2008 is as close we ever came to anything.

The 30+ years of continued monetary madness were one of the key pivot points that helped me decide that if I want a higher quality of life, I need to “divest” myself from this monetary paradigm and move elsewhere.

I’ve now been planning that for years and next year I hope it will become a reality.  I’ve made a ton of money but I can easily see it all evaporate away from dumb political and economic decision so it’s time to go.

Thanks for setting up this blog Mish, you did right by leaving Illinois for greener pastures but you didn’t go far enough IMHO.

JayW
JayW
1 year ago

Great article, Mish!

Yellen Says, “Stimulus Unlikely to Cause Inflation Problem.”

“If it turns out to be inflationary, there are tools to deal with that”

And these two statements as well as almost everything that came out of Yellen’s mouth shows how much of a DEI hire she was. Just flabbergasting.

KGB
KGB
1 year ago
Reply to  JayW

The only skirt at the Federal Reserve worked her way up the ladder the old fashioned way.

Bridge
Bridge
1 year ago
Reply to  KGB

There’s men that do the same. Got feelings about those whores do you?

Derecho
Derecho
1 year ago
Reply to  JayW
goldguy
goldguy
1 year ago

April fools! just kidding

ScottCraigLeBoo
ScottCraigLeBoo
1 year ago

Trump wants zero rates no matter what the cute little charts say. He will get zero percent rates.

JayW
JayW
1 year ago

Are you the new President Musk? Most of the stuff you post seems to be attempts at sarcasm.

ScottCraigLeBoo
ScottCraigLeBoo
1 year ago
Reply to  JayW

And some people get it and some people dont, but I like to think I follow the logical path. 2008-2022 interest rates are at zero. The rich borrow hundreds of billions in free (0%) money to buy up everything that isnt nailed down (including houses which is why the young people cant find any to buy). Stocks (all time high), bonds (all time high), businesses (1/2 of NYSE stocks bought out and gone), homes, apartment buildings, mobile homes, funeral parlors — buy it all so 5000 people can own 98% of America. Biden stops this and the old people finally get their interest back. Now Trump is running the country — literally. The Fed will buy every bond in sight per his orders (Japan already doing). Bond prices up, interest rates down — duration doesnt matter. Trump gets his zeroes and the US goes feudal.

Last edited 1 year ago by ScottCraigLeBoo
Bill
Bill
1 year ago

Convenient. 2008-2016 Obama (D) had 0% interest rates for his ENTIRE PRESIDENCY except for basically the last month. What does that imply? That Trump 1.0 did NOT have 0% and in fact they rose dramatically until the 9 months of zirp following the Covid debacle.They remained persistently low for the first year of Biden’s presidency so he didn’t “stop this”. What stopped it was the non “transitory” nature of rampant, massive, decades high inflation numbers 7-9% CPI. Biden did nothing to stop anything, inflation was running amok.

“Trump gets his zeroes” lol.
Obama had 8 years of zeroes.
Trump 1.0 – 1 year (pandemic)
Biden – 1 year (too long with raging inflation)
Trump 2.0 — NO WHERE NEAR 0. We’d need about 12 meetings of cuts, some with 50 bps, to get to 0.

Goodness God man, sarcasm is one thing but the Federal Funds Rate history is not subjective. I get it, for you Orange Man bad. But to post the Fed will buy every bond in sight, per his orders! C’mon man! Recall 2009 under Obama, Maiden Lane 1, Maiden Lane 2, and every other illegal Fed operation used to buy up bad debt and bonds. Was that per Obama’s orders??

Seriously, your TDS is off the charts, including your flawed one regarding 2008-2022 rates at zero, where you conveniently ignore them being significantly above 0 from 2017-mid 2020, 3 years of Trump 1.0.

You’d sound less TDS’y or at least be read with more credibility if weren’t loose or incorrect with facts.

ScottCraigLeBoo
ScottCraigLeBoo
1 year ago
Reply to  Bill

Writing tip: make your point and align the facts to support your point. Lots of writing doesnt make a point. Less is more.

Point: Since 2008, rich people via private equity have used 0% to buy up America. They want that to continue, and Trump wants to be their friend. Ergo, rates are going to zero.

Interest rates were essentially zero since Obama’s first day (2008) in response to the great recession. They surged a whopping 2% in 2016-2018 during Trump #2 but quickly came back down (Covid, etc). The entitled rich loved free money!

Either Im right or MIdnight is right. Today Im right. 4.15% today (4.35% last week) and dropping.

Last edited 1 year ago by ScottCraigLeBoo
Bill
Bill
1 year ago

If I could have embedded the FFR chart I would.

My point was you said it’s been 0 from 2008-2022 and if you saw the chart you’d see you absolutely intentionally omitted years of non-zero rates under Trump 1.0. The same guy you said could just order rates to be 0. If so, why didn’t he keep them at 0?!!

Does that help you?

Short.


Don’t make 2% rates seem inconsequential vs ZIRP because you wanted to say they’ve “essentially been zero”. 200bp in the bond markets are HUGE. I’d gladly have T bills 200bp higher because, hey, that’s essentially zero.

I agree the wealthy love free money but you originally implied that it’s only Trump and he can just oder them up. Yet Obama had all 8 years, Trump 45 had 1 and Biden had nearly 2.

So are you saying that Obama and Biden cater to the wealthy as well? That must blow your ol Trump dicatotorial cater-to-rich-guys narrative.

This big government money train been running hot since we left the gold standard and really went crazy 1982-3.
On that we agree. How do you stand on trying to stop the big G Government fiscal madness that requires money printing and low interest?

Bayleaf
Bayleaf
1 year ago

Mistakes?

KGB
KGB
1 year ago
Reply to  Bayleaf

Jerks.

Midnight
Midnight
1 year ago

Abolish the Fed

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