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Former Fed Chair Ben Bernanke Wins Nobel Prize For Wrecking the Economy

The BBC reports Ben Bernanke, Former US Federal Reserve Chief, Wins Nobel Prize.

Ben Bernanke, who led the US central bank during the 2008 financial crisis, is one of three recipients of this year’s Nobel prize in economics. The Nobel Foundation chose to recognise work by Mr Bernanke about the importance of preventing runs on banks.

He shared the prize with economists Douglas Diamond and Philip Dybvig. 

The Nobel Foundation said their research had “improved our ability to avoid both serious crises and expensive bailouts”.

Exclusive Bernanke Interview

In an exclusive MishTalk coup, Ben Bernanke agreed to an interview.

Mish: Why do you think you won the Nobel Prize? 

“To learn how to save the economy, we first had to wreck it. That’s the real reason I won the prize,” said Bernanke. “And boy did we wreck it.”

“I expect to win another prize in 2025,” added Bernanke. 

“I paved the way for the Powell Fed to learn from my mistakes. QE and bank bailouts created and even bigger housing bubble under Powell than I created.” 

“Best of all income inequality is at record levels, and banks will remain profitable thanks to record amounts of free money we currently give banks.”

Mish: Is free money the secret sauce?

“Of course,” he replied. “That took a while to figure out, but once we had the right formula, we realized there would not be another banking crisis in my lifetime, at  least in the US”

Mish: How much free money it might it take to prevent another crisis?

Bernanke responded, “Why does it matter? We will do whatever it takes, legal or not,” said Bernanke, adding that he only had time for one more question.

Mish: What about the bottom 80 percent?

Bernanke said “You really don’t get it do you? We have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt the bottom 80 percent don’t matter at all. Taking care of the top 1 percent trickles down to the next 9 percent. Then the next 10 percent is the middle class.”

“No one else matters, and that’s what my policies prove,” said Bernanke as he rushed out the door to accept his well-deserved prize.

Free Money Via QE

The Fed forced money down banks throats and it now pays interest on those reserves parked at the Fed.

Free Money Calculation

The Fed gives taxpayer money to banks at an annualized rate of 3.15%.

3.15% of $3.3 trillion is $103,950,000,000. The Fed is shrinking its balance sheet but with every rate hike bumps up the interest it pays on reserves. 

The Fed reports this data monthly, last updated in September for August.

The Strong Dollar is Getting on the Nerves of Foreign Central Banks

In a related post please note The Strong Dollar is Getting on the Nerves of Foreign Central Banks

I wanted to ask Bernanke about the dollar. Alas, my allotted time ran out.

Finally, In case you have not figured this out, this interview is a spoof.

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Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago

Bernanke thought the credit crunch was a capital crunch, hence TARP:
The Credit Crunch (brookings.edu)

The shift (mislabeled disintermediation) by the public from indirect investment through the banks, to direct investment or investment via the nonbanks, does not apply to the commercial banks ever since Franklin D. Roosevelt’s 1933 Bank Holiday.

Savings flowing through the nonbanks never leaves the payment’s system as anyone who has applied double-entry bookkeeping on a national scale should already know. There is just a change in the ownership of pre-existing DFI deposits within the payment’s system.

Ever since 1933 (Roosevelt’s “Bank Holiday”), the Federal Reserve has had the capacity to take unified action, through its “open market power”, to prevent any outflow of currency from the banking system.

Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago

Bernanke introduced the payment of interest on excess reserves. Banks are not intermediaries. The banks can outbid the nonbanks for loan funds, but not the other way around.

Powell repeated Bernanke’s mistake in the Sept. 2019 repo spike (payment on interbank demand deposits higher than 1yr treasury bill or money market rates).

The TLGP and the remuneration of IBDDs induced nonbank disintermediation (where the size of the nonbanks shrank by $6.2 trillion, whereas the commercial banks were unaffected, growing by $3.6 trillion during the same period – even while higher countercyclical bank capital cushions drained c. $1 trillion).

Virtually all demand drafts cleared through “total checkable deposits”. But Powell deemphasized the role of money in the economy.

To obfuscate his ruse Powell eliminated reserve requirements (whereas Dr. Richard Anderson said: “reserves are driven by payments”) and destroyed deposit classifications.

Powell eliminated the 6 withdrawal restrictions on savings accounts, which isolated money intended for spending, from the money held as savings.

Bernanke is lying about the “wealth effect”. Funds dissipated in financial investment (the transfer of title to goods, properties, or claims thereto), as opposed to real investment.

david halte
david halte
3 years ago
Hysterical, thanks Mish.
With inflation and debt problems in the EU, why after 14 years, did this become an issue with the Nobel committee. The Fed has been taking it in the nards lately, because of their improvident monetary policy, heedless response to inflation, and insider trading scandals. They needed public affirmation their policies weren’t a clown car of blunders. So, as is the Fed’s policy, they created asseveration by fiat, and purchased the award. In a few months the Nobel committee will be burning those inflated euros for warmth.
atryingshepherd
atryingshepherd
3 years ago
This was a well written creative post.
My favorite in a while.
Jackula
Jackula
3 years ago
This is another Nobel prize that falls into the you have got to be kidding category … the leadership of the west are losing their collective minds
KidHorn
KidHorn
3 years ago
Obama won a Nobel peace prize. Not for anything he did or said. No. He won because of what his election represented. Basically he won because of his skin color.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
I would nominate Senator Bunning to introduce Bernanke for acceptance speech, uh, if he were still around.
MUST WATCH
FooFooFed
FooFooFed
3 years ago
How does this happen? Nearly all of the citizens do not know how the monetary system works. Including CBs.
Just look at the European CB
Blaming the US for their monetary problems. Why does everyone believe that reduction in interest rates is the fix? The problem started long before rates were raised. Dollar wrecking ball will continue.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  FooFooFed
Nobody knows how the monetary system works. The policies of the payment’s system are driven by the American Banker’s Association, the most dominant economic predator.
The UK’s solution to its Gilt’s fire sales is backwards. Lending/investing by the Reserve and commercial banks is inflationary (increases the volume and turnover of new money). Whereas lending/investing by the nonbanks is noninflationary (simply activates existing money/savings).

The BOE needs to drain the money stock and simultaneously drive the banks out of the savings business (a countercyclical move which doesn’t reduce the size of
the payment’s system). The 1966 Interest Rate Adjustment Act is the template. It increased the supply of loanable funds, lowering long-term rates, decreased unemployment, and reduced inflation (staving off a recession as Powell said).

Banks
don’t lend deposits. Deposits are the result of lending. Ergo, all bank-held
savings are frozen (causing secular stagnation). Rather than bottling up
existing savings, the monetary authorities should pursue every possible means
for promoting the orderly and continuous flow of monetary savings into real
investment.

Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
re: “Taking care of the top 1 percent trickles down to the next 9 percent.”
Total tripe. The payment of interest on interbank demand deposits siphons off a net volume of non-inflationary funds that could otherwise be put back to work (nonbank disintermediation, as in the 2019 repo spike). There is a widespread tendency for savings to become impounded in idle balances or dissipated in financial investment.

Bernanke’s “wealth effect” is exactly
the opposite of what he claims. Funds dissipated in financial investment (the
transfer of title to goods, properties, or claims thereto), as opposed to real
investment, represents a leakage in National Income Accounting. In the circular
flow of income, voluntary savings require prompt utilization if the circuit
flow of funds is to be maintained and the deflationary effects avoided (a deceleration in velocity, or secular stagnation and negative real rates of interest).

The stoppage in the flow of funds derived from the main income stream have a direct and immediate dampening effect on the economy. An expansion of savings deposits, monetary savings, funds held beyond the income period in which received, is prima facie evidence of a leakage which collects in the form of unspent balances.

FINANCIAL speculation, stoking asset bubbles,
provides a relatively insignificant demand for labor and materials and in some
instances the over-all effects may actually be retarding to the economy.

Compared to REAL investment, FINANCIAL
investment is rather inconsequential as a contributor to employment and
production. Only debt growing out of REAL investment or consumption makes an
actual direct demand for labor and materials.

Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Pundits like Bernanke think banks are intermediaries, serving as a conduit between savers and borrowers. Savings are not synonymous
with the money supply. No, Bernanke “did it again”.
And Bernanke contends: “a flawed and
over-simplified monetarist doctrine that posits a direct relationship between
the money supply and prices” in his book: 21st Century Monetary Policy.
Monetarism has never been tried. Bizarre that Bernanke got
the award. He was directly responsible for the GFC. Dec. 2004’s money #s
weren’t exceeded for 4 years. That is the most contractive money policy since
the Great Depression. M1 NSA money stock (the “means-of-payment” money supply) peaked
on 12/27/ 2004 @ 1467.7 and didn’t exceed that # until 10/27/2008 @ 1514.2.
This is further corroborated by the truistic monetary base, required reserves (an increase in the currency component of MO is contractionary). Bernanke drained required reserves for 29 contiguous months turning otherwise safe assets into impaired assets.
As Dr. Richard G. Anderson says:
“reserves are driven by payments”

As I said in response to Powell
removing legal reserves: “The FED will obviously, sometime in the future,
lose control of the money stock.” May 8, 2020. 10:38 AMLink

whirlaway
whirlaway
3 years ago
These Nobel prizes are ridiculous – especially the Economics and Peace prizes. They gave 0-bama the Peace Prize and what did he do? Started 5 more wars and even bombed a fellow Nobel Peace Prize winner. The only prize that 0-bama deserved was the Best Actor Oscar – for acting like a progressive in the 2008 campaign.

Now, they are talking about giving this year’s “Peace” Prize to Zelenskyy, a guy who literally keeps saying, “We need more weapons” almost every day!

Mary
Mary
3 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway

And you forgot to mention the peace prize given to Yasser Arafat, really, they couldn’t find someone with a better record of peaceful actions

Mary
Mary
3 years ago
The Nobel Committee’s descent into madness and irrelevancy continues.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  Mary
It’s not the Nobel Committee.
It is the ad hoc committee with Nobel in it’s name that gives prizes to just about anyone for anything.
The real Nobel Committee gives prizes for Science.
FooFooFed
FooFooFed
3 years ago
Nobel prize ha!
jenipod
jenipod
3 years ago
THIS!! hahahahahaha 💗
samar
samar
3 years ago
i followed mish’s blog for some time. and i had to check what he had to say about the Benjamin Nobel. it was fun to read.
I finally understood some time back the fundamental reality. the 1% controls everything. including the stock market. and in 2007-8 a decision was taken that a repeat of that mega crisis would not happen again. and this helped me to make money. and the Nobel in economics confirms it. the man with the money printing lever saved the economy. well it belongs to the 1%. and yes, indeed, he did. he multiplied the money many times over. gave most of it the 1% – the 9% got the tangible trickle down. the 10% maybe a mild bit of it. and the 80% got screwed all over again. and the Nobel committee is fair. the man may have go it totally wrong claiming many times that the housing market was completely normal and he didn’t discern any problems. but if you look at t the 1% he was prescient. the 1%, the 9 % is richer, made yet more, owns a larger slice of the pie, has never had it any good. so congratulations – Mr BernBanke and to the Nobel committee
Rbm
Rbm
3 years ago
Haha guess if he was so smart he could have prevented the finical crises.
killben
killben
3 years ago
Nobel would have turned in his grave.
More often than not leaving money to be administered by a bunch of “so-called” thoughtful guys is not a good idea.
Matt3
Matt3
3 years ago
Great post. The interview made me smile
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
3 years ago
The prize is obviously political but the research it was awarded was not seminal but it was sound
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  Karlmarx
As sound as “research” into alchemy as hope of being, I suppose.
When you start out with a make-believe world violating even the simplest and most fundamental logic; then arbitrarily postulate mindless laws and relations for your childish fantasy world: No amount of “research” into how the resulting nonsense somehow “works” will ever amount to anything more than, at best, petty mental masturbation.
Naphtali
Naphtali
3 years ago
The bottom eighty percent in the US will make no difference of course, if the Biden populace disarmament program is successful. If this fails to materialize due to the meddling actions of the SCOTUS, some international binding treaty permitting legal war against that eighty percent will be required.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Blame, blame, blame.
Sounds like a good song title!
Personally, I try not to play that game. I prefer to focus my time on investments.
Mish; How about a story on why gold is doing so poorly. Or how to take advantage of the “current” Fed actions. Or how to protect yourself from inflation? Or the economic cost of climate change?
Any chance you will be able to tell us more on those juicy investments that you sounded so upbeat on? Have you figured out a way to give a disclaimer that says you are not providing investment advice or recommending anything? It would be great if you could provide more info.
And thanks for the story on the Mississippi water level issue. Loved it.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
“Personally, I try not to play that game. I prefer to focus my time on investments.”
Look at currency charts over decades, dxy, euro and JPY in particular.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Wow. An investor who knows what he is talking about. And is willing to share. How refreshing. Thanks.
Scooot
Scooot
3 years ago
Reply to  PapaDave
You get a clearer picture on Gold if you look at KGX
Since the beginning of this year the gold price against the dollar has diverged strongly from KGX, so the answer to your question is the same as “why is the dollar so strong?”. Personally I think KGX will also have weak run in the short term as other central banks become more aggressive with rate hikes and the Fed eases off a bit at some point.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
Thanks. I am not a fan of gold anyway. But I know that many here are.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Quite funny, but not much of a stretch.
Now Obama’s Nobel, that was a double stretch – and a half.
PapaDave
PapaDave
3 years ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
They give out a lot of Nobel prizes. Want to know what mine was for? Lol!
And poor Trump. He’s still pO’d that he never got one.
I wonder what Biden’s will be for?
And Pelosi’s!
RonJ
RonJ
3 years ago
What’s Bernanke’s H-factor? The average Nobel Prize recipient is around 40. Dr. Paul Marik’s is 105, though he doesn’t have a Nobel Prize to show for it.
bobcalderone
bobcalderone
3 years ago
As soon as I saw that the Ben Bernank had won a Nobel, I thought immediately of what Mish might say about it.
That headline is GLORIOUS. Never change, Mish!
Zabig
Zabig
3 years ago
Jay Powell might get an award too, but it would be the “Hero of the Russian Federation” Medal presented by Putin – for destroying the economy of the United States.
Jmurr
Jmurr
3 years ago
Reply to  Zabig
Biden deserves a share of that prize.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  Zabig
There hasn’t been anything meaningful to destroy since Putin took over.
Destroying a theft racket which is destroying an economy is, at best, indeterminate in its economic effect. Possibly even a positive. And theft racket is all the US has been, since 1971. As in, absolutely all.
Sunriver
Sunriver
3 years ago
Another tidbit to remind us that the Roman Empire Version II is near to ruin.
billybobjr
billybobjr
3 years ago
31 trillion and counting and Bernanke was a very big part of it and the interest on the debt is poised to go past
the 1 trillion a year . If interest rates continue to rise and as they refinance the cheap interest into higher interest it
will zoom past that . For that negligence lets give him an award . You wonder why people have lost faith in government
and the Media but they reinforce it everyday !!
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  billybobjr
The Fed has nothing to do with our debt, that one’s on D.C.
Since 1980, as wages have flattened and tax revenues declined proportionally, the Fed has been last resort to lower interest rates to accommodate exploding household and government debt.
They’ve been the band aid for failed “trickle down” economics.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Reply to  billybobjr
Reminds me of Ev Dirksen.
But that was in 1962 and was only a billion here, a billion there.
So in 60 years American political spending has inflated about 1000 times, or 100,000% if you prefer.
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
“The Fed gives taxpayer money to banks at an annualized rate of 3.15%.”
I don’t think it’s taxpayer money.
Billy
Billy
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
When they water down our money to pay the interest, it sure feels that way.
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
Reply to  Billy
Yes that’s true.
Russell McDowell
Russell McDowell
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Agree. It shouldn’t be the taxpayer’s money. The government (taxpayer) borrowed money and therefore should be making interest payments to the rightful owner of the bonds. This shouldn’t have been the Fed which printed money and bought the bonds. This is the absurdity of QE where the government borrows money and ultimately gets reimbursed the interest payments on that debt. It’s essentially a debt cancellation scheme.
Now that interest rates are going up, the money is going to the banks supposedly to help keep the fed funds rate within target range. This puts the burden of the debt on the Fed’s balance sheet back in play as not as much is being remitted to the Treasury. Thus, as interest rates go up, QE changes from debt cancellation to additional money for the banks.
shamrock
shamrock
3 years ago
Yes, that’s a pretty accurate assessment. Also known as monetizing the debt.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
The FED pays IER while not making any money on balances, hence it must pay from other revenue which otherwise would remit to treasury. In a bit of a stretch, it’s taxpayer’s money.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Who the heck else would it be taken from? The Tooth Fairy?
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Ben Bernanke’s new book in the pipeline: My life from arsonist to firefigher.
This is no more a joke than the Nobel prize for economics.
It’s not even funny any more.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Removing Glass Steagall and the creation of the CFMA caused the ’08 crisis.
Bernanke’s adherence to Friedman’s “helicopter” is largely what got us out of it, granted, we have a lot of Fed reversing to do now, which we’ve just started doing, but I can’t view Bernanke as a cause of the 08 crisis.
I’m no fan of Bernanke, but misaligned blame assures repeating mistakes, TBTF banks knowingly bundled garbage loans into “AAA” rated assets that they originated and then sold to us while lying about their values.
Glass Steagall prevented this from happening, the CFMA enabled those banks to short these assets in secrecy.
Winn
Winn
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
I can do FED job. Too easy. Lowering interest rate to zero and printing money as much as the
banks need. My job won’t be worse than Bernanke, Yellen and Powell as nobody trust me.
jenipod
jenipod
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
Clinton & company’s repeal of Glass-Steagall clearly paved the way for the meltdown of 2007/2008. However, not only was the crisis compounded by Bernanke’s failure to accurately identify (at least publicly) its looming presence (in fact clearly stating there was NO bubble even as it was bursting) along with his Keynesian solutions that followed, but as he kicked the can down the road via implementation of unfathomable sums of QE he became instrumental in creating the continued crisis we find ourselves in today.
MarkraD
MarkraD
3 years ago
Reply to  jenipod
There was no way to “clearly identify” the sub-prime disaster, banks wouldn’t disclose the actual contents of CDO’s aside to refer to their “triple A” ratings, which were fraudulent.
This is all part of Kyle Bass’s story, it took him monumental efforts, with some inside friends, to learn what they actually were.
Heck, Bear Stearns and Lehman were completely blindsided by their own assets -THEY should have known and they didn’t.
As for QE, it saved our asses, whether you like it or not, especially at a time when extremists in Congress were rambling about “austerity” and “job creating” tax cuts for the wealthy at the time.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
3 years ago
Reply to  MarkraD
“Removing Glass Steagall and the creation of the CFMA caused the ’08 crisis.”
And absent that, we’d have the 2009 “crisis” instead…
Robbing people via debasement is the underlying problem. You can’t keep robbing people; not at gunpoint, not via pickpocketing, not by debasement; without those robbed getting poorer. No amount of “the hubba-bubba act and the mean, evil LGUYFGJKFGTD did it!” changes that. Rob people, and they get poorer. Keep at it, and they get poor enough to experience a crises. None of the rest is anything at all, besides childish attempts at obfuscation.
Hence, the solution is not any harder than: Simply not robbing people via debasement.
The sole and only reason the idiots-that-be aren’t even entertaining a solution so trivial, is that ALL, every one, of them; live solely off of the robbing. Banksters, “homeowners”, “investors” , ambulance chasing clowns, “fund managers”, lobbyists, meddling apparatchiks at near every level……. For just as getting robbed via debasement make most people poorer, it also makes those whom the loot is handed to, richer. Hence more influential. At least temporarily (and dilettante idiots aren’t exacly privy to long time horizons. Hard to think more than a decade ahead when you’re are limited to fingercounting….).
In the longer run, of course, a once-was “economy” no longer facilitating anything other than pure theft for the benefit of a clueless clique of rank idiots, will inevitably be decimated to the point; where more and more of those previously on the “robber” side of the, all important in such “economies,” robber/robbed divide, will have to be sacrificed. Peeling off of another layer of the onion. Such that the “top third” who worshipped Reagan/Thatcher for allowing them to “benefit” from “the ownership society” nonsense in the eighties; were pared back to the “top quintile” in the 90s. Then the 10%ers in the aughths. Now the 5%ers, soon the 1%ers….. When nothing is made, noone intelligent and competent enough to make anything is left with any resources with which to do any making; and all that goes on is ever crasser redistribution of seedcorn built up before the moonlanding: Things can, obviously, only ever go i one direction after all.
Cocoa
Cocoa
3 years ago
The Arsonist gets credit for calling the fire department when he sets the house on fire.
Counter
Counter
3 years ago
What would the Fed say if they told the truth, reminds me. The Onion has filed a brief with the Supreme Court in support of a man arrested for mocking his local police force’s Facebook page. China and Iran also publish the Onion as real news

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