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French Government Collapses in No-Confidence Vote, What’s Next?

Bye Bye Bayrou. An amusing “Let’s block everything movement” takes hold.

Bayrou Voted Out Deepening France’s Political and Fiscal Mess

The Wall Street Journal reports French Government Collapses in No-Confidence Vote

President Emmanuel Macron has lost his second government in less than a year, a measure of how France is caught in a spiral of political dysfunction that is draining its public finances.

A no-confidence motion against the government of Prime Minister François Bayrou won the support of 364 lawmakers in the 577-seat National Assembly, forcing him to tender his resignation.

“You have the power to overthrow the government, but you don’t have the power to erase reality,” Bayrou told lawmakers at the National Assembly, moments before the vote, describing France’s finances as “a silent, underground, invisible, and unbearable hemorrhage.”

Macron’s office said he would accept Bayrou’s resignation on Tuesday and appoint a new prime minister tasked with forming a government in the coming days.

The next prime minister will have to cajole lawmakers in the National Assembly, the highly fragmented lower house of Parliament, to agree on next year’s budget by the end of December. France is also facing a gauntlet of public protests against any cuts to public spending, starting with a Wednesday demonstration organized by the “Let’s Block Everything” movement.

The gridlock is fueling public frustration and providing France’s antiestablishment parties with fodder to argue the time has come for voters to turn the page on decades of governance by mainstream leaders.

“We are witnessing the collapse of a system,” far-right leader Marine Le Pen said on Monday, calling for new parliamentary elections.

Lawmakers on the far left are demanding that Macron himself step down—something he has repeatedly said he won’t do before his term ends in 2027. And Macron doesn’t plan to call snap parliamentary elections, a maneuver that cost his party dozens of seats in 2024 and led to the lower house’s current fragmentation.

Far-left lawmaker Mathilde Panot called on protesters to take to the streets and pressure Macron to leave office ahead of schedule.

“The president does not wish to change policy, so we will change presidents,” she said.

For Macron, picking a new prime minister will be a challenge of its own. Bayrou is the fourth prime minister to lose his job over the past year-and-a-half. Socialist lawmaker Boris Vallaud said on Monday his party was ready to take the helm of a new government.

Let’s Block Everything Movement

There is no need for a “Let’s block everything movement” because there is nothing in sight that would allow anyone or any party to govern.

There is tri-polarization of the Left, the Center, and the Right. None of them can or will deal with budget realities.

What’s it All About?

The crisis revolves around Eurozone fiscal rules. The EU never enforced its Growth and Stability Pact or Maastricht Treaty rules. But now it wants to.

France is one of the worst offenders.

Compliance Rules

  1. Deficit rule: a country is compliant if (i) the budget balance of general government is equal or larger than -3% of GDP or, (ii) in case the -3% of GDP threshold is breached, the deviation remains small (max 0.5% of GDP) and limited to one year.
  2. Debt rule: a country is compliant if the general government debt-to-GDP ratio is below 60% of GDP or if the excess above 60% of GDP has been declining by 1/20 on average over the past three years.

France’s general government gross debt is projected to reach approximately 116.0% of its GDP in 2025.

France Budget Deficit and Debt-to-GDP 2024

Debt-to-GDP courtesy of Trading Economics, Deficit insert from https://countryeconomy.com/deficit/france

Financial Crisis in Europe With France at the Epicenter

Please recall my March 27, 2024 post Expect a Financial Crisis in Europe With France at the Epicenter

What’s the Basic Problem?

Eurointelligence says “Technology is the main cause of the decline. Geopolitics is what accelerated it.”

Technology is not the problem. The Maastricht treaty that created the Eurozone is flawed. And it cannot be fixed without unanimous agreement

The EU Is Dysfunctional

In a single word, the EU is dysfunctional. That’s the problem, not technology. The Maastricht treaty itself is a big part of the reason the EU is dysfunctional. The Euro itself, with one common interest rate, is fundamentally flawed.

France and Italy Noncompliance

  • France Debt-to-GDP: 113% vs target 60%
  • France Budget Deficit: 5.8% vs target 3%
  • Italy Debt-to-GDP: 135.3% vs target 60%
  • Italy Budget Deficit: 3.4% vs target 3%

France is Ungovernable

There is no chance of any political party addressing the debt and deficit rules.

So, why would anyone want to govern?

The only answer is arrogance, but arrogance will not fix any problems.

Related Posts

March 27, 2024: Expect a Financial Crisis in Europe With France at the Epicenter

What’s the Basic Problem?

Eurointelligence says “Technology is the main cause of the decline. Geopolitics is what accelerated it.”

Technology is not the problem. The Maastricht treaty that created the Eurozone is flawed. And it cannot be fixed without unanimous agreement

The EU Is Dysfunctional

In a single word, the EU is dysfunctional. That’s the problem, not technology. The Maastricht treaty itself is a big part of the reason the EU is dysfunctional. The Euro itself, with one common interest rate, is fundamentally flawed.

 June 21, 2024:  Debt Brakes and Treaty Requirements About to Smash the EU.

The EU has launched an Excessive Debt Proceeding against France. It won’t stop there.

Hoot of the Day

To achieve a government debt-to-GDP ratio of 60 percent, EU countries will have to reduce spending or raise taxes by 2 percent of GDP, on average, every year for 46 years.

Let’s just say it’s not going to happen. But these clowns are likely to try, if for no other reason than punish Le Pen.

Nothing has been solved because nothing can be solved. It’s politically impossible.

The French government is about to collapse again with France nowhere close to meeting debt brake and fiscal compliance rules.

If any party gets a majority in the next election, it will regret winning. No one is willing or able to address the mandatory rules.

January 10, 2025: The Political Crisis in France Is About to Get Much Worse

The entire eurozone is in shambles, and Trump’s demands will accelerate the crisis. One seriously must wonder if that is his real goal.

Well, that was certainly accurate.

August 27, 2025: French Government on Verge of Collapse Over Debt Crisis, What’s Next?

A vote of confidence is scheduled. Expect the government to fall.

By August 27, 2025, everyone was making that call. No credit to latecomers.

The EU Has a Big Problem With Military Spending and Trump’s Definition

In case you missed it, please see my September 4, 2025 post The EU Has a Big Problem With Military Spending and Trump’s Definition

France currently spends 2.1 percent of GDP on defense. Italy spends 1.5 percent.

Trump demands 3.5 percent. See above link for details.

Currency Crisis Awaits

Nothing has been solved because nothing can be solved. It’s politically impossible.

I keep repeating the idea “a currency crisis awaits”.

However, things are so screwed up globally that a crisis can start anywhere. The EU, US, China, and Japan are all possibilities.

There is no fiscal sanity anywhere.

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jlee
jlee
9 months ago

germany will exit the euro the and liberate france from the e/u as the e/u collapses under its own weight
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sovereignty will return to the region and society will see the return to segregation

this is the natural order

the region unites when it emerges as a sperate entities, alliances form and friendships created thru differences

Art Last
Art Last
9 months ago

Apparently just more of the same. The new Prime Minister looks even less competent than the last.
No major disruptions indicated for Paris tomorrow according to TF1 news.
We didn’t observe anything today to suggest any large-scale protests to take place on Wednesday.
The center of Paris looks strange to me. The majority of the people around look like well-to-do foreigners to me. The international 10-percenters, in other words. Shopping, eating, drinking without a care in the world.
Planes and bars are full.
While thousands die in wars each day.
Is this AI or is it Memorex?
I’m almost glad I’m not a young man anymore.
I’m not sure I’ll be able to watch this from a distance when it blows up.

TEF
TEF
9 months ago

The constraints of EU money printing for France: The US SPX, propelled by US government and enabling Fed Reserve high % GDP deficit spending has increased by 430 % from 2000 to 2025 whereas the French CAC, constrained by the EU central bank, has increased by only 25%, While the current US 2025 estimated deficit to GDP spending is a sizable 6.2 %, a significant portion is going to pay for tax breaks for the UberRich and the deportation police … with little to no benefit for US GDP growth and no benefit for the lower 99% … The tariffs represent a multiplying effect.

Stu
Stu
9 months ago

– “We are witnessing the collapse of a system,” far-right leader Marine Le Pen said on Monday, calling for new parliamentary elections. > I said it before and it bears repeating. Marine Le Pen is the only true option for reform in France. The Leadership is so broken and delusional, that an opposing view is the Only Answer IMO!!

– “We are witnessing the collapse of a system,” far-right leader Marine Le Pen said on Monday, calling for new parliamentary elections.Lawmakers on the far left are demanding that Macron himself step down—something he has repeatedly said he won’t do before his term ends in 2027. > He is stepping down or will be forcibly removed. He was a Joke joke from the start, and has become a Joker Now!!! Bring France Back from the Brink!!

– And Macron doesn’t plan to call snap parliamentary elections, a maneuver that cost his party dozens of seats in 2024 and led to the lower house’s current fragmentation. > A Clear and undeniable reason Macron Must Go!!!

BenW
BenW
9 months ago
Reply to  Stu

That and get out of the EU, so they can take control of their borders & immigration laws / enforcement.

Peace
Peace
9 months ago

That’s why Macron is pushing for scapegoat war to put blame on.
Die or die moment.

Wags
Wags
9 months ago

It certainly seems like it. These governments are going to be creating money to keep up with all these demands.

Art Last
Art Last
9 months ago

I’m in Paris right now. We intended to visit the museums for the next several says. I’ll keep my friends here posted as to the events unfolding. One thing the French were talking about potentially could be a significant blow to the system: allegedly some opposition elements advised the French public to take out all their money from the banks.

“The entire eurozone is in shambles, and Trump’s demands will accelerate the crisis. One seriously must wonder if that is his real goal.”

As I explained previously. Trump is a tool of the antisemite zionist interests intent on destroying the West. Both on the American continent and Europe. Tariffs’ only effects 1) are the international ostracization of the United States and 2) the destruction of the “exorbitant privilege” of the dollar system which facilitates our ability to live beyond our means by going into unfathomable debt. Our debt to GDP is much worse than France when unfunded liabilities are included.

Watch this video to put a face on the perpetrators. (Heavily censored in Europe necessitating the use of an America-based VPN):
https://www.bitchute.com/video/dQcFE7EKW0rq?fbclid=IwY2xjawF4_-NleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHRc_UDPeCnS8kKNSIse_U4ZzBRCVLKTfl4a6pUkweTadH_C0F1bvzMiKNw_aem_b_QEisvUu5V84b4jTJtcSA

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Doug78
Doug78
9 months ago
Reply to  Art Last

I don’t think a tourist would know what’s going on in France. Just enjoy the museums and have a good time.

Art Last
Art Last
9 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

Presumption much? I have family here. I lived and worked in Paris for a decade. I vividly recall French politicians advocating for the European Union as the only hope for survival of Europe, boasting on public TV in late ’80s about how only the EU could defend Europe against the Americans — BEFORE the EU had even come into existence. Of course the EU only tranformed all western European countries into debilitated vassals of the antisemite zionist-occupied American empire.

you name it
you name it
9 months ago
Reply to  Art Last

According to some historic sources the EU is a CIA creation. If you know who/what runs the CIA – Bingo.

Art Last
Art Last
9 months ago
Reply to  you name it

Exactly

BenW
BenW
9 months ago
Reply to  Art Last

Wait, now you’re going all CIA conspiracy theories?

What happened to going to the museums?

Man, take a breath and go have some fun.

You need it.

BenW
BenW
9 months ago
Reply to  Art Last

As I explained previously. Trump is a tool of the antisemite zionist interests intent on destroying the West.”

Art, that’s some serious kool-aid you’re drinking. Layoff it some, okay?

Like Doug suggested, just go to the museums & enjoy yourself.

When you get back to the US, do your best disabuse yourself of these crazy thoughts you’re having.

Avery2
Avery2
9 months ago

Sell all of the “dropped once, never shot”

Creamer
Creamer
9 months ago

For those just tuning in we currently have:

America being run by a economically blind pedophile/Hugo Chavez roleplayer who was proven today to be joking about selling women to Epstein.

Europe going bonkers because they realized they have to pay bills sometimes.

Russia falling apart as it desperately tries to fit it’s guts back in.

China, Korea, and Japan all starting to get on the same page thanks to American blundering.

I guess Canada is the same as it ever was, but boy if this doesn’t scream WW2 like meltdown of world order I dunno what does.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago

See what happens when government tries to be fiscally prudent and trims spending to reduce a deficit?

Siliconguy
Siliconguy
9 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

sad but true.

look at the uproar here in the US over DOGE’s trivial cuts.

David
David
9 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

True, as I am sure you know here in America liberal democrats define a budget cut as
reducing the 2026 budget for x from an increase of 25% to only and increase of 18%.

Cuts? Cuts? Playoffs/ Playoffs??? Sorry channeling Coach Jim Morra

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago

“French Government Collapses in No-Confidence Vote, What’s Next?”

Presidential election. Get rid of Macron!

P.S. Wouldn’t it be good if we could vote no confidence on our politicians and even call for a new election w/o waiting years for one to come up?

Sentient
Sentient
9 months ago

If there’s another presidential election, Macron and Le Pen should both stand aside and let others contend. Let them both go spend time with their husbands.

Last edited 9 months ago by Sentient
Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  Sentient

I don’t believe Macron can run again. And isn’t Le Pen barred from running?

Last edited 9 months ago by Jojo
Doug78
Doug78
9 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

For Le Pen the court hasn’t said the final decision yet.

Webej
Webej
9 months ago

French government revenue was B€1500 in 2024
Expenditures were B€1670
National debt was B€3345 begin 2025

Debt/Revenue ratio is thus 223%
US Fed/Gov debt/revenue ratio is 739%

Debt is serviced from income, not from turn-over, no matter what the economists all keep saying about Debt/GDP ratios. If you have a store, debt is serviced from the $100,000 you earn, not from the 3,000,000 turn over you have realized.

Scooot
Scooot
9 months ago
Reply to  Webej

Makes France look great, but of course they don’t have the reserve currency.

Webej
Webej
9 months ago

Saw a news item yesterday, with an older run of the mill lady commenting:
La France, c’est passé; il est passé
France is gone; it’s over.

To save France, they would have to reclaim it for the French, getting rid of the 20% loitering on the land, drawing benefits and generating costs.

Art Last
Art Last
9 months ago
Reply to  Webej

I was in a bus in Paris yesterday. A colored man obviously not from France was talking incredibly loudly into his cellphone. I told him he was too loud. He said I WAS too loud. I replied we’re not in Africa. I wanted to see the locals’ reaction. No one even turned their heads. One Woke-looking older woman gave me dirty looks. If I had done this outside of Paris in one of their commuter trains (RER), the “young ones” (the euphemistic term the French use to refer to blacks) could have beaten me up to a pulp.
The French have become cowed self-hating cucks — just like…?

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Doug78
Doug78
9 months ago
Reply to  Art Last

Bot

Democritus X
Democritus X
9 months ago
Reply to  Art Last

One can say that the “young ones” have gotten the right to tick off and even beat up people like you. And if you would beat up them, they were poor and innocent and you’re the culprit. You cannot win. I strongly feel that some forces not visible directly are destroying the original Europeans.

john
john
9 months ago

Interesting that much of Europe is in the same poor financial condition as France while at the same time these same ECU Countries are increasing military spending on NATO to have a larger war with Russia? Some are saying that Countries often go to War to distract their citizens from their Countries own collapsing economy?

Limey
Limey
9 months ago
Reply to  john

If that is the case why then has the US gone to war so many times since 1945?
I would rather live in a country with poor financial health that one controlled by Moscow or a Putin puppet.

Last edited 9 months ago by Limey
Sentient
Sentient
9 months ago
Reply to  Limey

The U.S. has gone to war so many times because our politicians are owned by defense contractors, big pharma and Israel. Also because the U.S. thinks it can – and should – run the world. Most countries of Europe are lackeys; the only exception being the UK because – lacking a military of any consequence – they focus on the dirty arts of intelligence and false flags (Bucha, Crocus City) and manipulating the Americans into serving their interests.

Neil
Neil
9 months ago
Reply to  john

Or sometimes you are attacked and have to prepare for war because of that. There is no conspiracy necessary to explain that. Russia invaded Ukraine and other countries and is actively sabotaging in Europe. Simple.

Webej
Webej
9 months ago
Reply to  john

By what metrics are they in worse financial shape than the USA or Japan, or Kenya, or Mozambique?

Don’t just repeat tropes.
Give us some relevant metrics.

The Window Cleaner
The Window Cleaner
9 months ago

When everything points to disaster…paradigm change is the only way out. In this case the monopoly paradigm wielded by Finance/Private Banking…and even governments of new money must be created ONLY AS DEBT instead of also as simply money strategically distributed where it will resolve the present crisis, namely at the point of retail sale and also directly to the individual. So with the central bank creating the monies distributed for a 50% Gifted Discount/Gifted Rebate policy at retail sale 1) inflation is transformed into beneficial price and asset deflation, and 2) a reasonable universal dividend for everyone 18 years of age and older 3) the economy hums on all multiple trillion cylinders and the rate of debt increase is greatly reduced BECAUSE THE NEW MONEY IS NOT DEBT, BUT SIMPLY MONEY APPLIED DIRECTLY TO THE PROBLEM…INCLUDING THE SO CALLED PROBLEM THAT ALL NEW MONEY TO FUND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TAXES AND GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS MUST BE TREASURY BONDS, I.E. “DEBT”.

Have you finally looked at this temporal universe resolution to the DEBT ONLY problem????

peelo
peelo
9 months ago

The problem with an inelastic currency is perhaps equal and opposite: deep crashes and depressions. Exhibit A: the 19th century banking system, Exhibit B: the Fed’s tight response in 1929. But I wonder if we have squeezed that from both ends by now — then what?

Doug78
Doug78
9 months ago

The prime minister gave up and resigned and Macron will not call new elections so a new coalition will have to happen. The Center has practically disappeared so it will either be dominated by the Socialists who are themselves crushed under the far-left wing or a right-wing coalition this time if they can get their act together and accept Le Pen’s RN party as the central pillar. If they can do that then they will dominate. However this is France so politics are skewed to the sometimes ridiculously complicated. Macron has to speak to the UN General Assembly very soon and he wants it to be settled before then so he has to pick someone pronto and that someone has to back him up on the Palestine thing so his tendency will be to pick a socialist. That will infuriate the Right but if they call for a vote of no confidence the Left will not follow. End result will be a weak Prime Minister, a still blocked Parliament where nothing can get done, and a President who remains incapable of influencing events inside the country and certainly wondering why he ever took the job in the first place. De Gaulle when he lost an important referendum in 1967 said “f..k it. I am out of here” and resigned. That was the best thing to do but Macron is not De Gaulle so he will stay to the end.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  Doug78

Macron’s wife will slap him upside his head if he dares try to walk away!

Democritus X
Democritus X
9 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

Yes… his “wife”.

Jeff Kassel
Jeff Kassel
9 months ago

It’s a good piece. I don’t follow Europe much, but it sounds bad.

BenW
BenW
9 months ago

France America is caught in a spiral of political dysfunction that is draining its public finances.”

“Let’s Block Everything” movement.

That sounds familiar.

There is no chance of any political party addressing the debt and deficit rules.

Again, sounds really familiar.

In a single word, the EU is dysfunctional. 

More reason for the next country to exit. Let’s get the ball rolling, Italy.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
9 months ago
Reply to  BenW

The answer is always more printing.

I have an alternate idea. Just create a new currency and give only the citizens with savings and checking account the equivalent.

Those holding debt will be paid back in the old currency which is worth nothing. This will teach anyone who ever buys a bond that payment is only guaranteed in the currency in which it was negotiated. And this will basically stop the bond market in its tracks. Which is exactly what we need.

Scooot
Scooot
9 months ago

The New Euro or New French Franc? -:)

Art Last
Art Last
9 months ago
Reply to  Scooot

Bring back the Franc. Using something called the Euro in France is ridiculous.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
9 months ago

Please let me know when this is about to get implemented.

I would load up to the max on buying homes, cars, boats whatever physical asset I could on debt knowing I was about to get a jubilee leaving me owning the assets for nothing.

Come to think of it, who would benefit the most from this idea? The biggest debtor which is the US government. You’d effectively wipe out all government debt. You better hope Trump doesn’t get wind of your idea or he might try it 🙂

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Art Last
Art Last
9 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

That would be an act of war

Doug78
Doug78
9 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Do a forced debt for equity swap. Instead of cash the bondholder would get a piece of land somewhere like Nevada. Probably can’t do anything with it but you would own it.

The Window Cleaner
The Window Cleaner
9 months ago

Indeed the answer IS more printing, but printing that via the DIRECT AND STRATEGIC DISTRIBUTION of the currency IS THE NEW PARADIGM OF GIFTING INSTEAD OF DEBT ONLY. HENCE IT RESOLVES THE CURRENT PROBLEMS WE ARE FACING INSTEAD OF EXACERBATING THEM. GET IT???

The Window Cleaner
The Window Cleaner
9 months ago

The solution to any and every middle class person’s problems with lack of demand and chronic inflationary erosion of same is…winning the lottery BECAUSE ITS A VERY SIZABLE MONETARY GIFT INSTEAD OF JUST ADDITIONAL INDEBTEDNESS.

Art Last
Art Last
9 months ago

AI-generated bot.

Art Last
Art Last
9 months ago

AI-generated bot?

Art
Art
9 months ago

The Great Reset ..

Art Last
Art Last
9 months ago

Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.

David O
David O
9 months ago

I think it worth describing what will happen during the projected currency crisis. It is outside the experience of most of us.

BenW
BenW
9 months ago
Reply to  David O

Greece has some experience. Argentina is a recent expert. I’m sure our opportunity is coming.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
9 months ago
Reply to  BenW

Lol. Argentina’s wet dream for Libertarians is riddled with corruption and failing.

The ugly truth about currency crises is that there is no system that can effectively deal with them.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
9 months ago
Reply to  David O

I thought we all agreed Trump could fix anything. Lol

hmk
hmk
9 months ago

Exactly, what is the result. Will the US benefit because we are the least FUBB? Or will inflation/hyperinflation wipe away all the fiscally irresponsible govt indebtedness along with everyone’s savings. China is in a worse financial position, maybe India is the winner? Where to stash cash to avoid this catastrophic outcome.

peelo
peelo
9 months ago

> ” … nothing can be solved. It’s politically impossible. …” The situation will, with 100 percent probability, resolve into something. There will be some future state of the world, and the EU. I’m on my third re-read of books on 1931, ’32 and ’33 in Germany. The state change in ’33 from seemingly unsolvable fragmentation to an awful sort of unanimity was breathtakingly fast. It becomes a zero-sum game explicitly, and somebody becomes the designated loser group. I pray that doesn’t happen in Europe, but I wonder what the other possibilities are. The USA is lucky it got the system in place it did, when it did. Europe never has.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
9 months ago

France is in a demographic crisis like most of Europe and the US. What comes next is despair, desperation and depression. The fix is massive immigration reform but where will the people come from? France actually has nice expat tax laws for those interesting in possibly retiring there as part of an exit strategy. The catch is you need to speak French.

https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/france-demographics/

Fertility in France

A Total Fertility Rate (TFR) of 2.1 represents the Replacement-Level Fertility: the average number of children per woman needed for each generation to exactly replace itself without needing international immigration. A value below 2.1 will cause the native population to decline.

With no people there is no economy regardless of what the central bank rate is, what the tax policy is or the debt levels. All that’s left is nothing until something comes along to claim the area.

“The meek shall inherit the earth…..”

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

Less people means more for everyone else.

Sure, it’s bad for Granny but it’s great for the young people and the next generations because they’ll have more of everything (besides traffic).

Incidentally a 50% decline in population sounds catastrophic but would roughly get Western countries populations back to where it was when I was a kid. The economy was doing very well then and there was plenty for everyone. Not sure why there is an irrational fear of less population.

Avery2
Avery2
9 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

The Black Death of the mid-1300s brought deflation and prosperity.

Last edited 9 months ago by Avery2
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
9 months ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

That’s a nice fantasy but it doesn’t work that way unless you’re prepared to see total decay. Go look at Detroit. There are plenty of houses available for $10,000. Why aren’t people snatching them up if there’s a housing shortage?

https://www.zillow.com/detroit-mi/cheap/

Less people means less workers to support bridges, roads, infrastructure, etc. How many miles are there of power lines all throughout America? Which parts do you think can fail without impacting everyone else?

What about miles of fiber for internet or cell towers? How many can fail because of no maintenance?

Once it’s built it has to be maintained otherwise a fallen domino starts a cascade of failure.

Some of you guys are really dense and just don’t get it.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

If population dropped in half lots of stuff would be abandoned and eventually razed to the ground, not maintained.

Power lines, fiber etc are all setup to be able to handle pieces going off line (otherwise a downed power line would shut down a whole city). They’d just shut off the sections not being used in the same way old rail road lines and old roads are shut down.

About the only thing that has to be maintained forever even if no longer being used is nuclear waste.

Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

We don’t need more people. We don’t need more immigrants. The entire economic model that governments keep clinging to—more workers, more jobs, more taxes, more growth—is already dead. AI and robotics are the hammer smashing that machine to pieces.

The old deal was simple: each generation was bigger than the last, filled more jobs, paid more taxes, and carried the retirees on their backs. That cycle doesn’t exist anymore. Machines don’t retire. Machines don’t demand pensions. Machines don’t vote. They just quietly replace everything we once called “work.”

So when politicians say “we need more people,” what they really mean is: “we need more bodies to keep feeding a broken system.” But adding more humans won’t fix the fact that human labor is being devalued to zero. It just makes the crash harder when the jobs disappear.

The real problem isn’t a “worker shortage.” It’s that we’re still pretending humans will forever be the fuel for an economy that no longer needs them. Until governments admit that automation breaks the growth-forever cycle, all the immigration debates are just noise.

MPO45v2
MPO45v2
9 months ago
Reply to  Jojo

You keep posting the same thing over and over again and I’m still waiting for those robots. Why did ICE deport 500+ Koreans in a Hyundai factory if AI and robots can do it all?

Why are farmers going bankrupt if AI and robots can do it all?

Please tell me the specific timeline when AI and robots will be doing all the work.

Last edited 9 months ago by MPO45v2
Jojo
Jojo
9 months ago
Reply to  MPO45v2

A lot of people don’t read posts every single day, so miss much, which is why repetition is important.

As to time frame, you seem to be spoiled by the internet dopamine rush. Change takes time and the time to start preparing for change is long before the change happens.

you name it
you name it
9 months ago

Pretty realistic assessment as seen from a next door neighbor. Things very likely to heat up on June 10th with a general strike in France, most probably affecting all major sectors in the country.
Essentially France (as also Italy, the UK and in the future also Germany thanks to overpriced energy following its own crazy green energy policy plus a little help from their “friends”, uncontrolled mass immigration, etc. etc.) is bankrupt. Increasing military spending in this situation is sheer madness. But hey it’s ok, we’re just following orders from good ole City of London Freemasons through the usual channels. War as a solution before things blow up economically and – unthinkable – before putting thousands behind bars due to their involvement in the toxic gene injection mass poisoning. White House dinner invitations instead.
Faint hope of citizens getting organized and getting rid of politicians executing their master’s orders and fighting the majorities of their own populations.

you name it
you name it
9 months ago
Reply to  Mike Shedlock

Germany. Spent a year in France and worked as a subcontractor to a French civil works conglomerate back in the days, so somewhat acquainted with France. Great place to spend your holidays in Europe – lots of great spots for nature lovers. Pricey though.

Doug78
Doug78
9 months ago
Reply to  you name it

I don’t think the general strike will make much of a splash. The Left would want it to be like the Gilet Jaune movement but that was truly an broadly-based organic movement. This strike is of the far-Left-plus-some-shrunken-trade-union-participation variety. Nevertheless there will be violence from the French version of Antifa, the Black Bloc. You can count on that.

David Heartland
David Heartland
9 months ago
Reply to  you name it

JUNE 10th? I heard from Friends there (Living in Southern France) that it is the 10th of September. The French are used to this. It happens a LOT there. We live in Portugal every winter.

Limey
Limey
9 months ago
Reply to  you name it

I think you will find, post Brexit, good ole freimauer, or indeed anyone else here has insignificant sway on German politics, you can thank Mutti for becoming reliant on Russian gas and admitting 1m Syrians or similar.

you name it
you name it
9 months ago
Reply to  Limey

10th Sept, Wednesday next is correct.
“Mutti” Merkel was part of the system indeed. I doubt mass immigration was her idea, the concept of flooding Europe with immigrants has been around too long for that. When she and BG aired on German prime time TV in April 2020 that the pandemic would only be over after injection of 7 Billion humans, my immediate reflex was that we are faced with two megalomaniacs, unconcious of the decades and gazillions spent on preparing this particular assault.

Sentient
Sentient
9 months ago
Reply to  you name it

Europe could have had cheap Russian gas for the foreseeable future, but they stupidly followed the MI6-CIA scheme to gin up a war between Ukraine and Russia. Like someone in Western Europe should give a flying f*** whether a Russian-speaking, Russian-Orthodox Church-attending denizen of Donetsk City gets their passport from Moscow or Kiev. Now the Power of Siberia 2 pipeline will be sending the Russian gas that would’ve gone to Europe to China. Europe can pay dearly for American LNG, though. Suckers.

Gary Laakso
Gary Laakso
9 months ago

The PM included abolishing two paid public holidays as part of his plan. Did anyone in the government think that was a good idea to help get public course?

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