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GDPNow Forecast Dives on Housing Data, Erasing a Big Jobs Gain

GDPNow data from Atlanta Fed, chart by Mish

Please consider the August 16 update to the GDPNow Forecast for Q3 GDP.

The GDPNow model estimate for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the third quarter of 2022 is 1.8 percent on August 16, down from 2.5 percent on August 10. After recent releases from the US Department of the Treasury’s Bureau of the Fiscal Service, the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, the US Census Bureau, and the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, a decrease in the nowcast of third-quarter real gross private domestic investment growth from 0.2 percent to -3.6 percent was slightly offset by an increase in the nowcast of third-quarter real government spending growth from 1.7 percent to 2.0 percent.

Base Forecast vs Real Final Sales

The real final sales (RFS) number is the one to watch, not baseline GDP.

RFS ignores changes in inventories which net to zero over time. This is a good reason to ignore the talk of two quarters of declining GDP being a recession. 

RFS in the second quarter was positive. I stick with my assessment of a recession starting in May, assuming the upcoming data matches my forecasts. 

Retail sales plunged in May after a strong April, and that’s when housing started to crumble as well.

Surprised by Today?

Neither the Fiscal Service Report (government spending), nor BLS report impacted the GDPNow estimate. 

Today we had two reports, one surprisingly good and the other surprisingly bad and that’s what drove the model.

Industrial Production Surprisingly Good

Industrial production estimates and actuals from Bloomberg Econoday.

The Fed revised June up and July was a big surprise on top of that.

But surprise to whom?

It’s not the data that matters to GDPNow but rather the economic report vs the model’s expectation. 

The model was negatively surprised by the housing report, not positively surprised (enough to matter), by industrial production. 

GDPNow Jumps on Jobs Data 

On August 10, I commented GDPNow Third-Quarter Forecast Jumps to 2.5 Percent, Recession Off?

Models Don’t Think

Models don’t think. Humans can, perhaps incorrectly.

The baseline job numbers do not match 200,000 layoffs at Amazon, consumer sentiment, rising jobless claims (albeit from record low levels), warnings from retailers including Walmart and Target, layoffs at Walmart, and two warnings from Micron on demand for computer chips.

I smell huge revisions to the job numbers. If so, this forecast jump will be short lived.

There are three retail sales reports coming and a myriad of housing reports. Those will hold the key to the third quarter, not the July jobs report.

Housing Starts Drop 9.6 Percent, Now Below Pre-Pandemic Level, Led By Single Family

Earlier today I commented Housing Starts Drop 9.6 Percent, Now Below Pre-Pandemic Level, Led By Single Family

Economists are like a broken record, continually overestimating demand for housing. Starts badly missed economists’ expectations as did builder sentiment yesterday.

NAHB Sentiment Declines Eighth Consecutive Month Into Negative Territory

Yesterday, I noted NAHB Sentiment Declines Eighth Consecutive Month Into Negative Territory

For whatever reason the GDPNow model did not see this huge decline coming. It wiped out gains from the jobs report, even if that data is not revised. 

And if it is revised lower or retail sales disappoint, expect another plunge in these forecast estimates.

I stick with my assessment of weak housing and weak retail sales, on average, for Q3. If so we will have a third quarter of negative GDP. 

Jobs are a mirage, sort of. I actually expect them to be relatively strong this recession. For discussion, please see Expect a Long But Shallow Recession With Minimal Job Losses

By long I do not necessarily mean continually. Rather I foresee economic weakness and flirting in or near recession for over a year. 

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Thetenyear
Thetenyear
4 years ago
“For whatever reason the GDPNow model did not see this huge decline coming”
It never does. GDPNOW starts high, peaks early, then fades for the rest of the quarter as reality sets in. This pattern is playing out for at least the fifth quarter in a row.
Does GDPNow expect anyone to believe that actual economic activity follows this pattern?
JRM
JRM
4 years ago
I expect in the next few months they will heavily revise the employment numbers down..
They did the positive to give a temporary boos to the White House!!!!
I watch U-6 numbers not the front page!!!!
8dots
8dots
4 years ago
China doesn’t need an economic collapse and a war with US, before Feb election. But China might give a green
light to start troubles in a far away region, to bleed US, without getting involved….
JRM
JRM
4 years ago
Reply to  8dots
They could invade Taiwan and not get into a war with the USA, if the Biden admin stays out of it..
I believe war will erupt on the Korean peninsula before the Chinese move against Taiwan, to suck the US Navy up by Japan..
There are Chinese troops in NK and real soon you will see more Russian troops in NK!!!
Another proxy war against the west!!!
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
4 years ago
Reply to  JRM
Any Cuban or Vietnamese troops in NK?
8dots
8dots
4 years ago
AMZN finally closed Apr 28/29 gap, but stopped < dma200. / Dollar General Closed < July 7 high. / Walmart popup to the middle of May 16/17 open gap. / Home Depot failed to close Feb 18/22 gap, closed < dma200. It might, might not. / NDX closed May 4/5 gap. Today high is a trigger. / GNPN might breach Aug lows. The horizontal size might be equal to the diagonal drop., All those gaps were caused by the fear of China collapse.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
New York Federal Reserve yesterday with Empire Manufacturing Survey (August)
prior +11.1 … expected … +5.0
“The headline
general business conditions index
plummeted forty-two points to -31.3.
New orders and shipments plunged … Manufacturing activity declined significantly
in New York State, according to the August
survey. The general business conditions index
plunged forty-two points to -31.3, the second
largest monthly decline in the index on record,
and among the lowest levels in the survey’s
history.”
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
“Housing Starts Drop 9.6 Percent”
Existing home sales (July) out Thursday. Consensus SAAR 5.12 million (June) —> 4.85 million.
Will “experts” hit the pinata this time? Revision?
shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
Home depot and Walmart reported much better than expected earnings. Those are 2 giants in retail obviously. Doesn’t smell like recession.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Neither of those companies are good predictors of recessions. They both sell lower cost alternatives.
Steve_R
Steve_R
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
(IMHO) It has always been about the transport index, IYT keeps moving off the June lows.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
“Doesn’t smell like recession.”
Walmart and Home Depot 2nd quarters ended July 31st.
Comparable sales year over year for Q2:
Walmart (US with fuel) … +7.1%
Home Depot (US) … +5.4%
Year over year cpi per bls:
May … +8.6%
June … +9.1%
July … +8.5%
and if you want to drill a bit further “Household furnishings and supplies” (pretty much covers Home Depot) +10.8% year over year (July).
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Perhaps it smells like forward guidance was purposely so bad they could beat.
Sheeesh
They warned twice – now this?
Steve_R
Steve_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Too many people in cash, fund managers know this, make them chase this market.
shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
I guess you can say there is some truth to that, Walmart estimates dropped from $1.90 to $1.62 coming into today. They hit $1.88 for the huge “beat”, but still, that’s withing 1% of the original estimates.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Home Depot because of the housing boom, which is now ending. Wal-Mart because custmers are downshifting.
shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
This is for May, June, July for Home Depot. Housing already peaked by May.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
People buy a house, then they head to Home Depot for furnishings. Doesn’t happen in the same quarter.
Dustymylove
Dustymylove
4 years ago
Mish….how does Arrived Homes, Offer Pad, Redfin, Zillow etc affect the housing market? My understanding is that these companies are still buying up single family homes driving up the prices.
shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
Reply to  Dustymylove
Zillow bailed a long time ago. Lost way too much money, even in a rising market.
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Zillow got out
The big buyer has been Blackrock
JRM
JRM
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
Zillow was being investigated by several state AG’ s in the last few years, for allowing houses being listed for sale when in fact they were not for sale..
I don’t trust anything on Zillow!!!!

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