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GDPNow Forecast for Q3 Plunges to 0.5 Percent on Weak Consumer Spending

GDPNow data from Atlanta Fed, chart by Mish.

GDPNow Plunge 

Please consider the September 15 update to the GDPNow Forecast for Q3 GDP.

The GDPNow model estimate for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the third quarter of 2022 is 0.5 percent on September 15, down from 1.3 percent on September 9. After this week’s releases from the US Department of the Treasury’s Bureau of the Fiscal Service, the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, the US Census Bureau, and the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, decreases in the nowcasts of third-quarter real personal consumption expenditures growth and third-quarter real gross private domestic investment growth from 1.7 percent and -6.1 percent, respectively, to 0.4 percent and -6.4 percent, respectively, was slightly offset by an increase in the nowcast of third-quarter real government spending growth from 1.3 percent to 2.0 percent.

The up-down, up-down pattern of the GDPNow forecasts finally collapsed into a down-down pattern on weak jobs followed by weak retail sales data.

Base Forecast vs Real Final Sales

The real final sales (RFS) number is the one to watch, not baseline GDP.

RFS ignores changes in inventories which net to zero over time. This is a good reason to ignore the talk of two quarters of declining GDP being a recession.

Spotlight on Current Real Final Sales (RFS) Estimate 

  • Total: 1.1 Percent (Lead Chart)
  • Total Domestic: 0.0 Percent
  • Total Private Domestic: -0.4 Percent

The real final sales number is the bottom line estimate for the economy. The rest is inventory adjustment that nets to zero over time. 

Real private sales to final domestic purchasers fell to -0.4 percent from +0.6 percent on September 7. 

Government spending added 0.6 percentage points to RFS and now helps to prop up the economy. 

Quick – Send more money to Ukraine and escalate student loan writeoffs to aid spending.

September 7 Comments 

Let’s review my September 7 comments from GDPNow Model for the Third Quarter Surges Then Immediately Dives, What’s Happening?

Retail sales plunged in May after a strong April, and that’s when housing started to crumble as well.

1.9 percent on real final sales is not recession territory, but I strongly believe that will not hold up. GDPNow forecasts tend to start out strong then fade as the quarter progresses.

There is still two months of data for Q3 coming up. Retail sales and housing rate to be weak. But will they be weaker than the model expects?

My guess is yes. 

For the GDPNow model estimate to sink, the data does not have to be weak. It does have to be weaker than the model projected. 

Today, the retail sales estimate was both weak (irrelevant to the model), and weaker than the model expected, the pertinent factor. 

When I saw the big negative revision to the July retail sales number, I was pretty confident the data was weaker than the model expected.

Factoring in Revisions and Inflation, Retail Sales Remain Very Weak

In advance of today’s GDPNow forecast but following the retail sales data I commented Factoring in Revisions and Inflation, Retail Sales Remain Very Weak

Recession Analysis

The numbers from March to December 2021 are very recession looking in isolation. But housing was humming nicely.

GDP was negative in the first and second quarters of 2022, but GDP real final sales (not the same as retail sales) were positive in the second quarter.

On the retail front, consumers picked up the pace between January and April of 2022. Real retail sales rose from 226,467 million to 233,739 million. That’s a 3.2 percent inflation-adjusted rise in retail sales and not at all consistent with a recession, even a weak one.

Starting in May, both retail sales and housing slumped. This is why I pegged recession with a start date of May (in advance), expecting continued weak retail sales coupled with abysmal housing.

The revisions to July and weak August numbers remain consistent with a weak recession that started in May

We may easily see three or four quarters of negative GDP with relatively strong jobs because we never fully filled the losses from the pandemic.

Expect a Long Period of Weak Growth, Whether or Not It’s Labeled Recession

Lost in the debate over whether recession has started, is the observation that it doesn’t matter much either way.

For discussion, please see Expect a Long Period of Weak Growth, Whether or Not It’s Labeled Recession

Housing leads recessions and recoveries and housing rates to be weak for a long time.

Add it all up and you have the opposite of the Covid-recession, a long period of economic weakness with minimal rise in unemployment.

Looking Ahead

Looking ahead to the next few months, housing rates to be terrible and retail sales weak. 

If there are more revisions to retail sales expect them to be lower. 

There is still another month of data for the third quarter. And at this pace, we are headed for a third quarter of negative GDP. 

Increasingly Likely That Alleged Job Strength is a Mirage of Part Time Second Jobs

Jobs are nowhere near as strong as they appear.

For discussion, please see Increasingly Likely That Alleged Job Strength is a Mirage of Part Time Second Jobs

It does not matter whether you label this a recession or not. Besides, the NBER might not even announce the recession until it’s over. That happened once already.

What does matter is the Fed will likely keep hiking until the economy collapses. It won’t be fun.

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Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
3 years ago
Thinking along these lines I pledge to spend more on weak consumers over the next quarter.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago

If you want to know how to stop inflation, look no further than Bernanke. Bankrupt-u-Bernanke drained required reserves for 29 contiguous months.

The 2-year rate-of-change, RoC in M*Vt (which the FED can control – i.e., the RoC in N-gDp), peaked in the 2nd qtr. of 2006 @ 12%. Bernanke let it fall to 8% by the 4th qtr. of 2007 (or by 33%). N-gDp fell to 6% in the 3rd qtr. of 2008 (another 25%). N-gDp then plummeted to a -2% in the 2nd qtr. of 2009 (another – 133%). That’s what created the cry, epitomized by Scott Sumner, for targeting N-gDp.

Thetenyear
Thetenyear
3 years ago
Right on schedule. Overly optimistic start, early peak, and a fade into the finish as economic reality sets in. Wash, Rinse, Repeat. Quarter after quarter after quarter.
On September 1st the Atlanta Fed estimate of economic growth was 2.6%. it’s now 0.5% which means that estimated economic growth has cratered by over two percent in just two weeks. Does that make any sense? Either the ATL FED’s methodology is deeply flawed or the inputs are. I’m guessing it’s both.
Mish
Mish
3 years ago
Reply to  Thetenyear
Neither – The model is vey good actually, if you look at the final forecast
The thing is: Models Cannot Think
That’s good and bad
It’s better than people who think incorrectly
The one place the model is wrong about is ISM – I wrote Pat Higgins on that
Thetenyear
Thetenyear
3 years ago
Reply to  Mish
How do you explain the pattern? Is that how actual economic activity behaves throughout a given quarter?
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
An interesting article growth of buy now pay later “loans”. Part that stuck out (for me) failure to pay NOT reported to credit bureaus.
“You have an industry with a higher concentration of subprime borrowers in a market that hasn’t been effectively tested through (this type of economy), and you have a kind of a toxic brew of concerns,” said Michael Taiano, an analyst with Fitch Ratings, who co-wrote a report in July highlighting some of the concerns with the industry.
The industry is growing rapidly, according to a report released Thursday by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Americans took out roughly $24.2 billion in loans on buy now, pay later programs in 2021, up from only $2 billion in 2019.

Hypothetically a borrower could take out several short-term loans across multiple buy now, pay later companies — a practice known as “loan stacking” — and they would never appear on a credit report. If a person puts too many items on buy now, pay later plans, budgeting could be difficult.

“It’s a blind spot for the industry,” Taiano of Fitch said.

Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Another day another high since 2008 on average 30 year mortgage.
Per MND 6.33%
Dean2020
Dean2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
I watch this chart daily. I’m still amazed how the general population is still buying with housing facing historic headwinds at these prices.
I think in 2023 the housing crash will finally dominate headlines even though the crash started months ago.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Dean2020
“I’m still amazed how the general population is still buying with housing facing historic headwinds at these prices.”
Crazy, ain’t it?
The BullREtard recent response? Go ahead and buy now (at today’s rate) and refinance later at lower rate.
They got it half right. Rates will be lower later … but the prices will be (much) lower, too.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
How do you square supply and demand. There’s a short fall in houses available.
New Privately-Owned Housing Units Started: Single-Family Units (HOUST1FNSA) | FRED | St. Louis Fed (stlouisfed.org)
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Myth?
Per Census Bureau (2020) 141 million total housing units. 15 million vacant.
Demographically, population aging and growth slowing. Do we need more?
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
If there are 15 million vacant, then they are tear downs.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
All of them?
No doubt, some. But at today’s prices is there such a thing as tear down? Better off remodel / rehabbing.
Imo, current tightness in housing inventory due to 3 factors.
1) When covid hit an exodus from urban areas by workers to get away from virus. Renters became suburban / exurban homeowners. Layer on Work From Home getting traction.
2) People in homes purchased with low rate mortgage don’t want to give up mortgage. A person with 4% mortgage who then buys with a 6% will get less of house. Especially true for those with little equity. Probably most.
3) With past 12 years birthing an Everything Bubble (with seemingly no end in sight) Real Estate has been on a tear. With many of the vacant / extra units owned by the wealthy (with high tax bracket). The recent trend for the wealthy has been to borrow against assets (to fund lifestyle) rather than sell and trigger taxable event.
Jack
Jack
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta

A lot of the 15 million will be second, weekend homes.

Esclaro
Esclaro
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
No, they aren’t. In my condo complex in San Antonio, at least 25% of the 105 units are vacant. They are owned by Mexicans who are laundering money or parking cash in real estate. There are many empty single family houses here as well.
Dean2020
Dean2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
A shortage in supply is quickly turning into a surplus of supply in record time in many major cities across the nation. San Jose, Phoenix, Boise and Austin are leading the charge with prices already down over 10% in just a few months in several cities. Next year will be like watching a train wreck in slow motion and housing continues to come off the tracks.
JackWebb
JackWebb
3 years ago
Reply to  Dean2020
The amazing thing to me is that anyone thinks a 6% mortgage rate is especially high.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago
Reply to  Dean2020
I think it’s a combo of a deeply a instinctual need for what Carlin called “A Place for my Stuff”, innumeracy, and magical thinking. Educated people are far from immune.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
3 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I found the term “educated people” way overrated.
Zardoz
Zardoz
3 years ago

Should have made the distinction between “educated people” and “people with degrees”. These are very often not the same people.

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