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GDPNow Forecast Inches Up to 0.3 Percent, But What’s On the Way?

GDPNow data from Atlanta Fed, chart by Mish

The Atlanta Fed GDPNow Model was on updated June 27. The previous release was June 16. The intermediate points and movements in the chart above were just updated today. 

Key Points 

  • Real Final Sales (RFS) is the true bottom line forecast of the economy. 
  • The difference between GDP and RFS is inventory adjustment that nets to zero over time.
  • RFS is 1.7 percent, unchanged since June 26. 
  • Base GDP is up to 0.3 percent from June 26, a meaningless rise in size but more importantly because RFS is the number to watch.

Housing

The net impact of housing was essentially nothing. 

Important Notes About the Model 

This might sound odd, but it’s very important to note that the data itself does not necessarily matter

What does matter is what the data does vs what the model predicted. 

Thus, seemingly good surprises to the upside might cause the forecast to decline and seemingly bad surprises might cause the forecast to rise. 

All that matters is how good or bad the data is relative to the forecast. Every data point changes the model’s expectation of what’s coming. 

Looking Ahead 

The next GDPNow forecast is Thursday, June 30.  Looking ahead the data points are 

  • International Trade in Goods: June 28
  • Q1 GDP Final: June 29
  • Jobless Claims: June 30
  • Personal Incomes and Outlays: June 30
  • ISM Manufacturing: July 1
  • Construction Spending: July 1

Unless there is a shocking revision to Q1 GDP the influence on Q2 will be meaningless. Jobless claims are unlikely to matter much unless that data is shocking. Construction spending is enormously lagging and outside the date range besides.

In terms of swings to the GDPNow forecast, the most meaningful reports are the three in italics above. But ISM is outside the date range of the next forecast.

International Trade in Goods for May 2022

Bloomberg Econoday Consensus Estimate

Imports down and exports up seems like a good result, but on June 7 International Trade knocked down the GDPNow forecast because the model predicted more. 

I suspect the model will have this correct unless there are some big revisions. 

Personal Income and Outlays Estimate for May 2022

Bloomberg Econoday Consensus Estimate

There is plenty of scope for big surprises in personal incomes and outlays, both to the economists and to the GDPNow model.

May retail sales numbers and April revisions took the GDPNow estimate down from 

On June 15, I noted Retail Sales Flounder in May With Negative Revisions in April.

  • The March 2022 to April 2022 percent change was revised from up 0.9 percent to up 0.7 percent.
  • In nominal terms retail sales fell 0.3 percent.
  • In real terms sales fell from 233,724 to 230,852 from April to May.
  • That’s a month-over-month decline of 1.2 percent, using the CPI as a deflator. It’s real, not nominal spending that’s an input to GDP.

What’s the Model Thinking?

I asked Pat Higgins, the Atlanta Fed creator of GDPNow that question on June 3 regarding ISM.

I asked because the model took a big hit on June 1 when the forecast of RFS declined from 3.4 percent to 2.9 percent on what seemed to be an ISM surprise to the upside. 

Hi Mike,

There is not really an easy way to translate what the model was expecting for the ISM Manufacturing data with the actual release [in addition to the composite index, the model also includes the employment, inventories, new orders, production, and supplier deliveries subindexes]. But I have attached the estimates of the factor on May 27th (pre ISM) and on June 1st (post ISM). On May 27th, the May and June 2022 values are forecasted based on the factor estimates through April. On June 1st, the model uses the ISM Manufacturing data [and all of the lagged data] to estimate the factor for May and then uses the factor estimates through May to forecast the June factor value.  Here’s an email on Real Final Sales 

Best regards,

Pat

Guessing Game

  • So not only are we guessing the data, we are guessing what the model is predicting in relation to the data.
  • Based on May retail sales, I suspect the model envisions a downward revision to April. 
  • There easily could be another adjustment lower to April and a miss for May. 
  • There could easily be something else.

My guess is the data will be weaker than what economists project. But that might not matter if it’s not what the model thinks.

To go out on a limb, I think May will be worse than the model projects and June much worse than the model predicts at this time

If incoming data changes to the downside, then the model will reflect that data in later updates.

US Manufacturing Output Contracts For First time Since 2020, Service Growth Dramatically Slows

The next GDPNow release on Friday will not incorporate ISM. And the model does not look at manufacturing PMI at all. 

The PMI took a big smack  on June 23 as noted by my post US Manufacturing Output Contracts For First time Since 2020, Service Growth Dramatically Slows

Since that is not reflected in the model, there’s a good chance of a sizable model miss on ISM. However, ISM tends to be way higher than the PMI. 

Place your bets. 

I suspect the model estimates too much from consumer spending and way too much out of the ISM.

If so, the GDPNow Real Final Sales forecast will plunge. 

Yet, that still is not conclusive. The GDPNow model itself may be inaccurate. The final forecast of GDPNow has been quiet good for many quarters, but that does not imply the next one will be as good. 

The model can miss to the upside or downside. 

Models Cannot Think 

Models cannot think. We can. The data looks bad and feels bad. More importantly, the direction is bad. 

Strong April retail sales took a dive in May, housing is pretty much going to hell, the Fed is tightening at a record pace on a percentage basis, QT just started, and the wealth impact from the stock market and crypto collapse is huge.

Add it all up and you get a recession that started in May. 

I’ve Seen Enough, the US is in Recession Now, Q&A on Why

For more discussion of the above data points, with many charts, please see I’ve Seen Enough, the US is in Recession Now, Q&A on Why

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Counter
Counter
4 years ago
Exports were up because of oil, natural gas and food. Didn’t see finished goods. Not sure a good thing
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  Counter
I believe that imports have weakened quite a bit, which is a classic recession indicator in this country.
kiers
kiers
4 years ago
ps: offtopic admin point: is there a way to get email notification of replies to Mishtalk posts, or do we have to come to site and check? (I don’t seem to locate any “track replies” button or such?)?
kiers
kiers
4 years ago
“Imports down and Exports up seems like a good result”, but i’ve always been foggy on the truth. Yes it’s a good result calculatively, numerically, because GDP is defined C+I+G+(X-M). But the US has long since subverted the GDP formula, because hiding in the “M” are American goods and American profits. Just because Apple Ireland and Apple Cayman (or wherever) book the markup for the Iphones shipped out of China and Asean supply chains offshore, and then present US customs with a marked up import bill doesn’t mean the US economy is doing poorly…..quite the reverse . No economist has ever clarified this. It’s been 20+ years of this subverted trade model (with China), and nobody mentions the upshot of this distortion to economic data, so I try you Mish.
Since 2000 (when China joined the WTO), there has been “money printing” above and beyond GDP, in a clear secular break from past modes
https://ibb.co/rFdyRhY [ignore the 1995-2000 bubble for the moment, they say that’s b/c of new laws for IRA accounts etc].
Since 2000 (when China joined the WTO), there has been a near doubling of corporate profits from ~6% of GDP to ~10% of GDP
Isn’t that “extra money” from the M2 velocity, due to the US trade model and tax code subverting the GDP formula? Isn’t that the “extra” 4% of GDP in corporate profits that suddenly appeared after 2000 in the second chart?
If it’s true, then those shiller indices that compare “market cap to GDP” and anythign else to GDP all deserve their higher valuations, because GDP is artificially suppressed, and the economy is actually ahead of where GDP says it should be…..?
Anyone?
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  kiers
Imports do not subtract from GDP despite being in the equation
The reason is in the name: gDp Domestic
Sales are calculated but those sales include imports
Imports do not matter logically but are subtracted because they should have not been counted in the first place.
kiers
kiers
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
got it! thanks. But i take it still that the Offshore Profit money, from US MNCs manufacturing in China, still found it’s way into the domestic economy as it was repatriated in even amounts year over year…..as the M2 velocity graph shows….
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
4 years ago
Lending by the Reserve and commercial banks is inflationary, whereas lending by the nonbanks is noninflationary (other things equal). The rate-of-change in long-term money flows, the volume and velocity of money (proxy for inflation), is at an all-time high (nothing’s even historically close).
Powell’s actions are treasonous. If Powell wanted to stop
inflation, he would re-institute reserve requirements against his new, inclusive, definition of transaction accounts (Regulation D), or what Nobel Laureate Dr.
Milton Friedman advocated, December 16, 1959. Powell doesn’t give a damn about
inflation. Powell doesn’t give a damn about the economy.
FOMC schizophrenia: Do I stop because inflation is
increasing? Or do I go because R-gDp is falling? is due to an increasing volume and proportion
of savings being impounded and ensconced in the payment’s system as rates rise.
Banks aren’t intermediaries. Banks don’t lend deposits. Deposits are the result
of lending. Ergo, all bank-held savings are frozen. That is the cause of
secular stagnation, a deceleration in the transaction’s velocity of funds.
The correction solution is the 1966 Interest Rate Adjustment Act. which tightened monetary policy while driving the banks out of the savings business (lowering Reg. Q ceilings for the banks, and providing an interest rate differential for the nonbanks). I.e., savings flowing through the nonbanks never leaves the payment’s system.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Do you commonly talk to yourself? That post is impenetrable.
kiers
kiers
4 years ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
Do you think the GFC 2008 could have been “caused” by too few Fed reserves?
PapaDave
PapaDave
4 years ago
“Place your bets.”
Now we’re talking.
Where should investment money be placed considering all factors.
Demand for oil and gas continues to exceed supply, whether the US economy slows or not. That’s the beauty of the scenario that I first learned on this blog.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
4 years ago
The response from GDPnow sounds like something one would read from “Alice in Wonderland”.
8dots
8dots
4 years ago
Inflation 100 years history. We cannot ignore the 60 years uptrend between 1920 and 1980. Since the late 80’s the trend is down.
Option : the current rise is a test of the old trend. The 8.6% is not good enough. Inflation might rise, possibly to the 12% 16% area, before giving up. We don’t know when, how, and if there will be more than one test.
effendi
effendi
4 years ago
Noted that some posters don’t think that there will be any or much of a recession as it doesn’t feel like one. Technically the US may not yet be in a recession but it is baked in that there will be a HARD recession if not a full blown depression. Europe is going down the gurgler what with shooting itself with sanctions.
That will hit the US hard as how will a collapse of Europe not spread worldwide?
Footsie will implode, DAX will implode and wall at will follow
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
If one looks at the spreadsheet and complications of it, the proper conclusion is Pat Higgins is a genius.
Seriously
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Here’s an explainer for the GDPNow model
GDPNow: A Model for GDP “Nowcasting”
And here is the massive spreadsheet
I suspect it is actually possible to plug in some numbers, if you can figure out which ones for each set of economic data. But I have not figured out how to do that.
If you want to give this a go, this is the full email from Pat Higgins on ISM (I did not even try) but it is not a magic black box.

Hi Mike,

There is not really an easy way to translate what the model
was expecting for the ISM Manufacturing data with the actual release [in
addition to the composite index, the model also includes the employment,
inventories, new orders, production, and supplier deliveries subindexes].
But I have attached the estimates of the factor on May 27th (pre
ISM) and on June 1st (post ISM). On May 27th, the
May and June 2022 values are forecasted based on the factor estimates through
April. On June 1st, the model uses the ISM Manufacturing data
[and all of the lagged data] to estimate the factor for May and then uses the
factor estimates through May to forecast the June factor value. The factor
is standardized to have a mean of 0 (since 1967) and standard deviation of
1. I took these datas from the files we posted at https://www.atlantafed.org/-/media/documents/cqer/researchcq/gdpnow/GDPTrackingModelDataAndForecasts.xlsx . You can get the values in the tab Factor of this spreadsheet (3rd most from the left).

There was also a construction spending release on June 1st that directly impacted the residential, nonresidential structures and
government spending forecasts. The construction spending data does not
impact consumer spending directly, so the change in that forecast gives a
partial, probably understated, estimate of how the change in the factor
estimate impacted the forecast.

The light blue filled cells in row 8, columns FU and FV, of
the tab Consumption (4 tabs to the right of Table) in the
spreadsheet (see above link) gives the forecast for the growth rates of real
“retail control” goods in May and June. These sales excludes sales from
motor vehicle and parts dealers, building supply stores and gasoline
stations. The numbers are annualized logarithmic growth rates, so that a
non-annualized 1% increase would show up as 1200*ln(1.01) = 11.94 in the
spreadsheet.

The same columns in row 41 gives the forecasts for the real
growth rate of sales from food services and drinking places. Revisions to
the past 2 months of retail sales data also factor into the calculation (i.e.
the model tries to anticipate the revision to relevant consumption categories
based on the retail sales revision).

Best regards,

Pat

Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
I suspect the difficult tricky part is collecting accurate right data.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
I don’t know anyone who FEELS like they are in a recession YET. Recessions tend to have widespread unemployment. I said a week or two ago that the more likely scenario was going into and out of negative GDP multiple times and this is what GDPNow would suggest. CFNAI-MA3 still has no recession. GDPNow portends extremely slow growth.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Unemployment is a lagging indicator.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
4 years ago
only thing that matters is if vast majority believe THEY themselves are in a recession. that is the case and passes all the smell tests of asking everyone from busboys to CEOs i know. we have high inflation and stagnant recession. STAGFLATION. probably be around for a few years or decade. gonna be rough to stop.
Robbyrob
Robbyrob
4 years ago
58% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck after inflation spike https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/27/more-than-half-of-americans-live-paycheck-to-paycheck-amid-inflation.html
8dots
8dots
4 years ago
If SPX cont to rise to a lower high, unemployment rise to 4% – 4.2% and inflation drop to 4% – 5%, we are not in recession.
But if SPX will have a change of character in Sept/ Oct this year, Inflation drop below 2%, under the half line, and unemployment
cont to rise ==> SPX, the inflation channel and Claudia Sahm will signal red alert.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Recessions are about the real economy, not financial markets. Yes, the markets will both predict (not all that accurately) and react, but that’s all.
JRM
JRM
4 years ago
Well now the FED has its “PROPAGANDA” to state we are not heading into or in a recession!!!!
MPO45
MPO45
4 years ago
Well what are the major events to hit in Q3?
1. Hurricane season
2. Fourth of July
3. Peak travel summer season
4. Back to School
5. Fall harvests
Looks like spend, spend, spend to me. I heard big retailers weren’t going to take back return merchandise, they want to get rid of all that bloated inventory so will everything be depleted by end of Q3 for Xmas shopping in Q4?
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
Remember! Inflation is a monetary phenomenon!
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
I think I understand that ISM is manufacturing only, and that PMI includes services. Correct? You wrote: “ISM tends to be way higher than the PMI.” Can you flesh that out a bit? You’ve got me curious.
Past that, my last plea on the website. I am an old hand online, all the way back to BBS and 300 baud. Mish, I have become addicted to your site faster than I’ve been addicted to anything (good thing I’m not a tweaker, because I understand than meth is the fastest addiction of all), but man oh man, this site is more glitch-ridden than anything I’ve seen in 35 years of surfing. I’ve now given up on accessing it on my phone; the advertising blocks the content more than half the time. But on a laptop it has other problems. It’s a sign of my persistence but especially your quality that I haven’t chucked it all.
Have you thought of, say, moving it over to WordPress or something else more reliable? Only one thing: Please never move it to Facebook!
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Try using different browser, recommending Brave.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Been trying out Brave. Has some downsides. My internal jury is still out. Which means that I am honestly open minded. I say that because open minds are uncommon on the ‘net.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
If you want to watch Youtube on mobile device without ads, Brave is the only option.
On desktop, there are other options.
Crenvy
Crenvy
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
It’s not just the ads. There are numerous glitches that make me dread even coming here sometimes. It needs a professional overhaul. Telling people they have to use a certain browser or obscure settings just shows denial.
Don’t get me wrong, the content is great, but I feel like I’m on 2000s tech here.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  Crenvy
There are strange whirlpools with this site. The latest is that some — but only some — comments get thrown into a moderation queue when edited. But only some, and there’s no way to know why it happens. It’s erratic and unreliable, sort of like a Tesla sedan.
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
Hi Jack
PMI has manufacturing and combined
Manufacturing alone comes out first then Combined -The true comparison is manufacturing component to ISM manufacturing
Manufacturing PMI was a disaster – But It is nearly always less than ISM even though they both supposedly do the same thing. Obviously a different mix of corporations surveyed.
I seem to recall PMI surveys more corporations
Fish1
Fish1
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
WordPress is Facebook.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  Fish1
That’s false. Please check your facts and retract your post.
8dots
8dots
4 years ago
GDP Q1 was up 1.6%. We are not in recession. First inflation have to normalized until Q3/ Q4 this year, to enter the channel and SPX weekly must close < June 13 low. If June 13 low will be breached in July, TA and Atlanta forecast are in agreement.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  8dots
Q1 GDP fell by 1.4%. For purposes of documenting whether it’s recessionary the real change is used, not the nominal.

https://www.bea.gov/news/blog/2022-04-28/gross-domestic-product-first-quarter-2022

JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
I believe this was revised downward to -1.5%
8dots
8dots
4 years ago
Reply to  JackWebb
With 8.6% inflation.
JackWebb
JackWebb
4 years ago
Reply to  8dots
The numbers I gave were adjusted for inflation. And please, for this purpose, let’s not get into how inflation is calculated. I am open to that discussion, but not right now. Hope you will understand.
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  8dots
What the Flying F?!
Q1 GDP was NEGATIVE
If you are looking at nominal GDP you have no idea what you are doing
shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
So, why don’t they tell us what “the model” is expecting? Some kind of secret or “the model” is a black box?
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  shamrock
My understanding, as silly as it sounds, is they do not even know.
It’s not just one variable
For example there are four different ISM components they track.
I do not know how many for retail sales.
And economic reports sometimes come out of the same day so they do not necessarily know without spending a lot of time why the model did what it did even after the fact.
I am amazed actually at how well GDPNow performs in light of what I just said.
It’s not a black box. In contrast to the NY Fed model, you can download the whole thing. Entirely open.
If you can figure this out, please tell us.
Mish
shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Wow that’s kind of a mess, looks like most of the data goes back 60 years and then ends 40 or 50 years ago. Not sure what to make of it at first glance but thanks for the link.

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