GDPNow Forecast Rises to 2.7 Percent Annualized Despite Weak Economic Data

GDPNow data from Atlanta Fed, Chart by Mish

I was pretty sure a miserable constriction spending would weigh on today’s GDPNow report, but nope. The forecast rose a bit with half of it on what I consider to be a very questionable ISM report.

Please consider the latest GDPNow Forecast for the third quarter of 2022, emphasis mine.

The GDPNow model estimate for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the third quarter of 2022 is 2.7 percent on October 5, up from 2.3 percent on October 3. After recent releases from the US Census Bureau, the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, and the Institute for Supply Management, the nowcasts of third-quarter real personal consumption expenditures growth and third-quarter real gross private domestic investment growth increased from 0.7 percent and -4.1 percent, respectively, to 1.1 percent and -3.6 percent, respectively, while the nowcast of the contribution of net exports to third-quarter real GDP growth increased from 2.21 percentage points to 2.24 percentage points.

Base Forecast vs Real Final Sales

The real final sales (RFS) number is the one to watch, not baseline GDP. RFS ignores changes in inventories which net to zero over time.

Both the base GDPNow forecast and the RFS forecast is currently 2.7 percent. 

If this is in the ballpark toss aside recession calls.

GDPNow vs Blue Chip Forecast

Understanding the GDPNow Strength

  • US dollar exports account for most of the GDPNow forecast.
  • Government spending accounts for all but 0.1 percentage points of the rest.
  • Final sales to domestic purchasers is 0.5 percent.
  • Final sales to private domestic purchasers is a mere 0.1 percent.

The Blue Chip forecast is lagging a bit timewise, but not that much. It will be interesting to watch this divergence over the next month.

For discussion of ISM services, please see ISM Services Remain Strong in August But Comments Tell a Different Story

For the divergence between ISM and the S&P please see ISM Services Remain Strong in August But Comments Tell a Different Story

Conflicting data is more than a bit confusing. Has the GDPNow model gone haywire? 

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oee
oee
1 year ago
All of your predictions have been wrong; no 3 quarters of contractions; no recessions; no Robots taking over; you are upset that Biden/Harris are succeeding;
Guess what +263000 created in September do not equal a recession; OPA Biden/Harris has created 10 Million new jobs in 19 months of madate; more than Trump in fact Trump ended with A NET LOSS OF 2.50 , MILLION JOBS IN HIS 48 MONTHS OF TERROR.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
Reply to  oee
Newsome kept Disneyland closed for a year. Biden tried to force people to take a shot that didn’t work and wasn’t safe. He is still forcing it on the military. The CDC stonewalled for 364 days and two lawsuits, to prevent the American people from seeing the V-safe data. Not safe, not effective. Just what kind of a corrupt government do we have?
oee
oee
1 year ago
Reply to  RonJ
The govt that defeated Hitler ; the govt that stole German Technology (rocket science & the jet engine) which paved the way for our current high standaad of living. I can assure if Hilter would have won, we would not be having this conversation.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
gdp includes large dollops of this. by my count around a trillion per annum in MIC if we include VA system, which one must.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
I have always held the opinion that when a forecast flops around wildly like a dying animal it is not much of a forecast and should be disregarded.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
Maybe the situation is volatile, like cattle before a lightning storm.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa_Hooker
gdp is a real joke of a gauge imho. it includes the broken window fallacy, for my beloved roman’ god jupiter’s sake.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
SPX hell : May 12/17 trading range, rest on June 30 close.
RonJ
RonJ
1 year ago
The Maverick of Wall Street
@TheMaverickWS
In 2021 I kept saying that the Fed will tolerate higher inflation until wages start to inflate & corporations complain. Those who doubt the Fed’s resolve to crush the economy to rid it from inflation don’t get that this is intentional. The Fed does the bidding for the oligarchy.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago

See: New Measures Used to Gauge Money supply WSJ 6/28/83. Neither William Barnett nor Paul Spindt, nor
the St. Louis Fed’s technical staff in 2008, …used accurate money flow metrics reflecting changes to AD.

Dr. Richard Anderson: “Although the evidence is mixed, the MSI (monetary services index),
overall suggest that monetary policy *WAS ACCOMMODATIVE* before the financial
crisis when judged in terms of liquidity;

All of these economists omit the most important, distributed lag effect
of money flows, volume times transactions’ velocity.

See: Fed Points

link to newyorkfed.org

“Following the introduction of NOW accounts nationally in 1981, however,
the relationship between M1 growth and measures of economic activity, such as
Gross Domestic Product, broke down.

No money stock figure acting alone acts as an accurate guidepost for monetary policy.
See Yves Smith: “QE is not “money printing. It is an asset swap.”
WSJ 6/28/83: “The experimental measures are designed to
resolve some of the confusion by isolating money intended for spending, from
the money held as savings. The distinction is important because only money that
is spent-so-called “true money” – influences prices and inflation”
I.e., the FED’s Ph.Ds. don’t know money from mud pie.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta

We knew this already: In 1931 a
commission was established on Member Bank Reserve Requirements. The commission
completed their recommendations after a 7-year inquiry on Feb. 5, 1938. The
study was entitled:

Member Bank Reserve Requirements: Analysis of Committee Proposal, Box 107 (stlouisfed.org)

its 2nd proposal: “Requirements against debits to deposits”

After a 45-year hiatus, this research paper was “declassified”
on March 23, 1983. By the time this paper was “declassified”, Nobel Laureate
Dr. Milton Friedman had declared RRs to be a “tax” [sic].

The FED is operating the economic engine in reverse. Interest
rate manipulation decreases R-gDp more than inflation. The proper course of
action is to drain the money stock and simultaneously drive the banks out of
the savings business (which doesn’t reduce the size of the payment’s system).

Contrary to Nobel Laureates Dr.
Milton Friedman and Dr. Anna Schwartz’s “A Program for Monetary Stability”: the
distributed lag effects of monetary flows (using the truistic monetary base,
required reserves), have been mathematical constants for > 100 years.

The correct response to stagflation is the 1966 Interest Rate Adjustment
Act. “while the aggregate of time and demand deposits continued to increase
after July, the proportion of time to demand deposits diminished. Whereas time
deposits were 105 percent of demand deposits in July, by the end of the year,
the proportion had fallen to 98 percent. These were all desirable
developments.”
M1 peaked @137.2 on 1/1/1966 and didn’t
exceed that # until 9/1/1967. Deposit rates of banks decreased from a high
range of 5 1/2 to a low range of 4 % (albeit not enough). A .75% interest rate
differential was given to the nonbanks.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta

Banks don’t lend deposits. Deposits are the result of lending. Ergo, all bank-held savings are frozen (causing secular stagnation). Rather than bottling up
existing savings, the monetary authorities should pursue every possible means
for promoting the orderly and continuous flow of monetary savings into real
investment.

And in 1966 the unemployment rate fell.
Unemployment Rate (UNRATE) | FRED | St. Louis Fed (stlouisfed.org)
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
So, to summarize ‘mud pie’… Do you think the Fed has lost control; as in damned if they do, damned if they don’t?
I suspect when it gets to that point, all bets are off and the markets panic. Any thoughts on that, and the order of failure. Are we seeing the side-effects of that approaching failure in Britain and Japan?
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I used to post that I needed no disclaimer. Virtually all demand drafts cleared through
“total checkable deposits”. But Powell deemphasized the role of money
in the economy. To coverup his ruse Powell eliminated reserve requirements and destroyed deposit
classifications. Powell eliminated the 6 withdrawal restrictions on savings
accounts, which isolated money intended for spending, from the money held as
savings. Powell thinks banks are intermediaries.
And Bernanke contends: “a flawed and over-simplified monetarist doctrine that posits
a direct relationship between the money supply and prices”.
Contrary
to Nobel Laureates Dr. Milton Friedman and Dr. Anna Schwartz’s “A Program for Monetary
Stability”: the distributed lag effects of monetary flows (using the truistic
monetary base, required reserves), have been mathematical constants for >
100 years.
Dr. Richard Anderson says: “reserves were driven by payments”. So, like Shadow Stats claims, we had to fall back on currency and demand deposits.
The rate-of-change in long-term monetary flows, the proxy for inflation, falls by almost 50% between Oct. and Dec. this year. And that uses DDs exclusively. So, I expect a significant decline in inflation by year’s end. But it will stay historically high. And N-gDp falls.
In contrast, short-term money flows, proxy for real output of goods and services, R-gDp, rises a little in the 4th qtr. 2022, and 1st qtr. of 2023.
See JOSEPH WANG about liquidity problems:
The Reserve Gap – Fed Guy
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Census Bureau with an ongoing Household Pulse Survey. Results from latest based on data collected between September 14th and September 26th. Comparison between most recent prior (data collected June 1st thru August 8th).
US citizens 18years and older … 252,481,011
On question of difficulty paying usual household expenses past 7 days.
In the “Not At All Difficult” bucket.
August … 76,855,825
September … 70,058,611
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Indeed, the national psyche is changing. BTW, my last visit to Walmart for a ‘pain-check’ of essential items (for me), shows prices up again. In typical cases, by 20% in a month–round two of inflation is now setting in.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Yes.
Markets soared earlier this week in part sense of pivot near for Federal Reserve. I don’t think so (I know monetary policy lags and have conviction 2023 will see many talking of disinflation / deflation). Powell will stay the course until something “breaks” … then the pivot will occur.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Actually, given the ‘up’ a lot of the market psyche is still ‘Fed has control.’ Under that outcome, I’d expect gold/silver to have gone the other way–but also bounced, unless a Fed pivot is prelude to a greater problem.
The national psyche, IMHO, is trending downward concerning the economic future in the intermediate term. Admittedly, I am in a small community, relatively conservative, but frequented by visitors from out of state; so what I hear and see is a biased sample.
As for Powell staying the course until something breaks, might that be instigated by foreign markets?
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Absolutely.
No doubt Powell crossing fingers for offshore implosion (what I expect to happen) … gets him off the hook (publicly) for laying waste to domestic economy.
Anyway, US rug a lot bigger than everyone else’s … and can sweep a lot more under it. Congress took an immense amount of flak for passing TARP. In the aftermath – behind closed doors, naturally – I suspect Secretary of Treasury and Chairman of FRB were told to do whatever necessary to prevent TARP.2. Mark to model + opening discount window to ANY TBTF entity will ensure won’t happen here first (imo).
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
I’m not sure what’s more alarming. The 10% drop in one month or roughly 3 in 4 not in that category.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Europe shot itself in the leg. Within few years the world will learn the US shale is fake. OPEC is fake. Nerd #1 and #2 are gone. The rest is
not good enough to keep Berlin warm. SPX might rise to a new all time high, before the world will face reality. NATO is a volatile
complex organization. NATO nations, or US proxies, might cannibalized themselves. The white house will have to choose sides.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
A couple of days ago I received the link below to a letter sent to EU leaders by the major manufacturers of non-ferrous metals in Europe. It paints a dire picture of the situation there with regard to energy. That production will likely shift to China, and stay there, should be obvious
Although I am biased, I feel confident in saying that a lot of the credit belongs to that genius of foreign affairs (aka warmongering), president Cluster Fudge.
link to eurometaux.euqnhn5k30/non-ferrous-metals-ceo-letter-on-energy-crisis-06-09-2022.pdf
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Fjb is not the issue in Europe. The geniuses there take their marching orders from a 16 year old.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
In 1973 mortgage rate was 9% on the way to 18%. Later on, in Dec 1979 EFFR reached 21%. Home owners were not protected from inflation. The RE market was dead. No traffic. Only wealth people with cash, with good enough down payment, and good relationship with banks, could afford to buy a house, before refinancing in the 80’s. Between 1973 and the early eighties the stock markets crashed several times. The world have changed. Gravity with Germany will prevent US 10Y and mortgages from rising much higher. After Nov election Ukraine war will stall.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  8dots
“In 1973 mortgage rate was 9% on the way to 18%. Later on, in Dec 1979 EFFR reached 21%. Home owners were not protected from inflation. The RE market was dead. No traffic.”
Really? Facts say otherwise.
Homeownership rate grew between 1973 and 1980. Q1 (1973) 64.9%. Q1 (1980) 65.5%. Most recent? (Q2 2022) 65.8%.
When the “P” in PITI reasonable $$s amount, the “I” really makes no difference. Housing then was shelter. Now (with financialization / securitization) housing is a play toy for Wall Street and piggy bank for (some) homeowners.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Buy the dip. The deepest dip was in Oct 29 1975 : NYC go to hell. In 1979 no PITI
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
It is true. I bought my first house (in the USA) when rates were 18% and rising–a variable rate btw, and gambling that high rates would last a year or less, yet taking advantage of cheap real estate. There was traffic in real estate, but at deeply discounted prices. You needed 20% down plus two good incomes.
A lot of the demand for real estate came from boomers with babies.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
gdp is very flawed. it includes all the broken windows……..like military spending to bust up stuff using debt. that ain’t product. that’s destruction. PPP much better gauge of the health of an economy along with other ratios…….
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
1 year ago
Reply to  vanderlyn
And we have no idea how much military spending there is right now with our war with russia
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
It’s just a fake out. With OPEC cutting oil production, it will siphon funds from other output. That should seal the fate of stocks.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
“With OPEC cutting oil production”
Honor Among Thieves? If someone(s) violates production cuts … won’t be the first time.
Anyway, will be interesting to see where Supply AND Demand head. Looking at most recent EIA numbers finished product supply (rolling 4 week average) in US down 3.8% from 2021 comparable.
Salmo Trutta
Salmo Trutta
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
What if Biden refills the SPR?
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  Salmo Trutta
A drag, for sure.
Needs to stop draining first … end when midterm election in rear view mirror?
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
1 year ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Why end? No different than more spending
randocalrissian
randocalrissian
1 year ago
It will be interesting to see with the doomy GOP recession proclamations if this turns out to be the “mildest. recession. ever” how that impacts the voting public’s assessment of how “Biden got us out of it” since the GOP hammered at how “BIden got us into it.” No sure thing, but it’s something for the GOP to lose sleep over.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
This will NOT be the “mildest recession ever.” It might well be a period of global realignment and turbulence, with failures of some national economies. ‘No sure thing, but it’s something for’ all of us ‘to lose sleep over.’
Be careful what you vote for.
8dots
8dots
1 year ago
Now & then. 49 years ago, in Oct 6 1973, Yom Kippur war started. It started a major change.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
This just doesn’t work for my doom scrolling, please revise again….
Thetenyear
Thetenyear
1 year ago

“Has the GDPNOW model gone haywire?”

Glad to see you are starting to come around Mish 😉
Karlmarx
Karlmarx
1 year ago
Remember GDP Now is based on expectations. This means that the model was expecting a much worse downturn than we are currently in. One would think that true Keynesian dogma would therefore expect to see much lower inflation. I would therefore expect that when the inflation numbers come out next week and we are not in some sort of deflationary spiral the numbers will come crashing back down.
I cant possibly fathom that the economy is growing unless we are exporting a boatload more weapons to Ukraine than the administration is admitting to.
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
And YET Paul Krugman yammers today in a lengthy twitter rant that the Fed may have already gone TOO far?
WTF kool-aid is this guy drinking? Friday’s labor report, if ADP’s 208K is a guide, could bring us low 200K new jobs. We already know that more people are starting to re-enter the job market, whittling down more than a 1M open jobs. And let’s be honest. Many of these millions of jobs are simply vanish as the economy sputters slowly. That’s the game corporate America is playing to try to influence the Fed.
Again, the labor market & housing are holding up astoundingly well for gurus such as Krugman pontificating that a Fed pivot MUST be around the corner. It’s just unbelievable how economist like Krugman will shrill to get JPowell’s attention.
Good luck with that, PKrugman!
Siliconguy
Siliconguy
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Krugman wants a 6% inflation target. Taking 35 years to steal half your purchasing power is too slow, it should only take 12 years. Spending it as soon as you get it is the only moral thing, as all income comes from spending, so those evil savers are depriving others of their rightful income, which is theft.
Yes, he actually said that back when I followed him for awhile back around the GFC. It was pretty obvious that he is on “the good stuff.”
Oh yes, GDP is the greatest good. Not even GDP per capita, just straight GDP. The more people, the more GDP, so population must continue upwards at all costs forever. And if the result of that is that everyone has to live in one room efficiency apartments, that’s OK because the automatic kitchen will prepare gourmet meals with no input needed from you. “And provided we do the accounting correctly, GDP will still increase.” That last is from a column in January of 2010, I don’t recall the exact date. I quit following him after that bit of rancid tripe.
On to more interesting observations, we have conflicting data all over the place. Either things are turning up or turning down, but this sort of turbulence does not suggest a stable configuration.
vanderlyn
vanderlyn
1 year ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
i concur GDP is not a great metric for health of a empire. too much borrowed gov spending in it. i like PPP and plenty of other metrics better for how well a place is doing. of course in economics it all comes down to micro economics. our own little lives and how things are going. and how one has traded or set up oneself. the dollar is strong. sold my r/e. rates making sense again for me as a saver with a pile of cash. my little economy is just ducky. don’t ever buy gas. quality of life way up past few years as many of my pals slowed down after jolt of covid………..college is cheap as hell at local CC level. great entertainment and self improvement…………
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  Siliconguy
Perhaps a better metric is needed? For example, Gross Quality of Life Product, because at the end of the day, having stuff is not all that important to aspirations higher than materialism.
That aside, we know that institutionalized progressive bias exists in the DOJ/FBI and Dept of Education, because we see examples every day. Now, assume there is equal political bias in DHHS, DOE, DOD, DOT,….Treasury, IRS….
When you get right down to it, NO GOVERNMENT Department can be depended on to be politically unbiased. NONE. ZERO. Ditto with any organization dependent on Federal funds.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
Likewise, every comment here is biased.
How about a Median Happiness Index?
JRM
JRM
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
I have to ask what Kool-aid are you drinking???
Your fantasy world, doesn’t apply to the rest of the working people in the USA!!!!
Losing permanently one million jobs, doesn’t correlate to a strong economy!!!
Businesses pulling their “WANTED” signs doesn’t correlate to a strong economy!!!
worleyeoe
worleyeoe
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
At no point did I say the economy is STRONG. I said that the labor and housing markets are holding up surprisingly well. In fact just about everything is holding up pretty well. Retail has been positive for 10 out of the last 12 months. Even the ISM that Mish loves to yammer about so much isn’t exactly falling off a cliff. Rather, it’s zig zagging back and forth.
The one million job loss, as I understand it, was primarily due to people re-entering the work force, which is causing the unemployment rate to increase slightly. I take growing labor participation over real job losses any day of the week.
Again, there’s been $13T in EXTRA spending since the start of the pandemic. $6T Congress, $5T Fed QE and FJB’s near $2T this year alone in spending spree.
JRM, it’s going to take a good bit while longer to get the economy to REALLY roll over and dive into a recession. Mortgage rates have been above 5% now for more than 3 months and existing home prices are still rising as of August.
That’s freaking CRAZY!
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  JRM
I suspect that this is only the beginning of the beginning. What awaits is The THUNBERG DEPRESSION, appropriately named after the green messiah-ess. It will change Europe to a quaint solar-powered tourist destination, with a global shift of economic power toward Asia.
Seriously, there more issues at work than USA GDP.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
1 year ago
Reply to  worleyeoe
Klugman has always been a progressive moron; why would he change now?
It remains to be seen if/when the Fed caves. After all, what does a mother do, when her baby screams–the Fed’s nipple fixes all woes.

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