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General Milley Made Secret Calls to China Fearing Trump Might Start a War

“Peril”

A new book by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, “Peril” reveals deep concerns by top General Mark Milley that Trump would attack China. 

Woodward and Costa interviewed more than 200 people at the center of the turmoil, resulting in more than 6,000 pages of transcripts—and a spellbinding and definitive portrait of a nation on the brink.

Peril is supplemented throughout with never-before-seen material from secret orders, transcripts of confidential calls, diaries, emails, meeting notes and other personal and government records, making for an unparalleled history.

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Fearful General

‘Peril’ discloses that Gen. Mark A. Milley called his Chinese counterpart before the election and after Jan. 6 in a bid to avert armed conflict.

The Washington Post reports Top general was so fearful Trump might spark war that he made secret calls to his Chinese counterpart.

Note: That is a free link to a site that is normally paywalled. I get a few free links a month on many sites. This is the first one I have used ever. Here are some snips from the article, emphasis mine.

In a pair of secret phone calls, Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, assured his Chinese counterpart, Gen. Li Zuocheng of the People’s Liberation Army, that the United States would not strike, according to a new book by Washington Post associate editor Bob Woodward and national political reporter Robert Costa.

One call took place on Oct. 30, 2020, four days before the election that unseated President Trump, and the other on Jan. 8, 2021, two days after the Capitol siege carried out by his supporters in a quest to cancel the vote.

The first call was prompted by Milley’s review of intelligence suggesting the Chinese believed the United States was preparing to attack. That belief, the authors write, was based on tensions over military exercises in the South China Sea, and deepened by Trump’s belligerent rhetoric toward China.

General Li, I want to assure you that the American government is stable and everything is going to be okay,” Milley told him. “We are not going to attack or conduct any kinetic operations against you.

In the second call, placed to address Chinese fears about the events of Jan. 6, Li wasn’t as easily assuaged, even after Milley promised him, “We are 100 percent steady. Everything’s fine. But democracy can be sloppy sometimes.

In the book’s account, Milley went so far as to pledge he would alert his counterpart in the event of a U.S. attack, stressing the rapport they’d established through a backchannel. “General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise.

Milley also summoned senior officers to review the procedures for launching nuclear weapons, saying the president alone could give the order — but, crucially, that he, Milley, also had to be involved. Looking each in the eye, Milley asked the officers to affirm that they had understood, the authors write, in what he considered an “oath.”

The chairman knew that he was “pulling a Schlesinger,” the authors write, resorting to measures resembling the ones taken in August 1974 by James R. Schlesinger, the secretary of defense at the time. Schlesinger told military officials to check with him and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs before carrying out orders from President Richard M. Nixon, who was facing impeachment at the time.

The general saw parallels between Jan. 6 and the 1905 Russian Revolution, which set off unrest throughout the Russian Empire and, though it failed, helped create the conditions for the October Revolution of 1917, in which the Bolsheviks executed a successful coup that set up the world’s first communist state. Vladimir Lenin, who led the revolution, called 1905 a “dress rehearsal.”

The book also provides new reporting on President Biden’s campaign — waged to unseat a man he told a top adviser “isn’t really an American president” — and his early struggle to govern. During a March 5 phone call to discuss Biden’s $1.9 trillion stimulus plan, his first major legislative undertaking, the president reportedly told Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va), “if you don’t come along, you’re really f—ing me.” The measure ultimately cleared the Senate through an elaborate sequencing of amendments designed to satisfy the centrist Democrat.

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Click on the WaPo link above for many additional details.

Publications toss out the word “blockbuster” so often that it has lost meaning. This is a genuine blockbuster. 

Trump Won’t Run Again

Trump’s own top general was so fearful Trump might do something stupid that he made secret calls to the leader of a foreign nation telling that nation we would not attack, but if we did they would get advance warning.

I have repeatedly commented Trump will not run again. He may pretend that he will, but even if so, he will find a reason to back out.

This book seals the fate. 

Who wants to elect someone whose own top general does not trust to make wise decisions?

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Kick'n
Kick'n
4 years ago
“Who wants to elect someone whose own top general does not trust to make wise decisions?”
All those 75M idiots who voted for him in 2020 and believe the government has it out for him. All those who believe the election was stolen or who just can’t stop deluding themselves. We need them to have a Come to Jesus Moment regarding the “stolen election”. There’s no way in hell such a large scale conspiracy could possibly have happened let alone have it kept secret for the last 10 months. Mostly those who hang on just use it as an identifier and/or badge of honor among their fellow idiots. It’s a rationalization for their guy going down in flames. But the real danger is in keeping up that lie. DT spread some 20-30K lies and falsehoods during his run. But no one could possibly lie that much, right? One should read post-WW1 European history. But the “election fraud” is either the biggest lie of them all or it isn’t. DT left no middle ground. So if you admit to yourself that that’s a lie, then your going to have to challenge everything he ever said and admit that you may have swallowed all of lies. And that may be too much for the idiots to bear if they have too much pride.
But on the good side I too don’t believe DT will run again. Melania is just fed up with it all and never even campaigned for him. And he has said “you’re going to be pleased with my decision.” That doesn’t sound like much of an affirmative. He just loves the attention. But that could still be a problem. What if he had to anoint someone in order for them to win? Then you could have DT as the puppeteer worse than what they are saying about JB.
One-armed Economist
One-armed Economist
4 years ago
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
This story is further proof Trump didn’t come anywhere near draining the swamp…
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
It’s coming out the Defense Secretary at the time made the first calls to China. If that is true Milley didn’t jump the chain of command. 
MasOro
MasOro
4 years ago
Mish, 
You do not seem to realize in your posts that there are conservatives and liberals in the US; and, there are fringe groups of right wing and progressive persons. Trump is like herpes on the right wing side. Trumpism is spreading like herpes in those who do not read factual data nor have the education to discern the difference between facts and Facebook. 
Please, stick with your historical analysis of financial facts and avoid contributing to those infected by trump herpes. The leaders of our non-partizen military establishment did not trust trump. Nor should any educated person.
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  MasOro
” Trump is like herpes on the right wing side.” 

Truth

Roto1711
Roto1711
4 years ago
The entire Biden administration is a sad joke. 
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Roto1711
They’re “leaders” in Fed Era America. How could they not be?
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Roto1711
The past few administrations have been a joke. Carlin was right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxsQ7jJJcEA 

Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Milley confirmed he said it. It will be hard for him to stay. 
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Except the Defense Secretary made the first calls so he didn’t jump the chain of command. It’s on the acting Defense Secretary at this time. 
Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
I think Trump’s reaction to losing the election proves he was unhinged. Beyond that I don’t trust anything these days without actual hard data.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
“Joe Biden is set to deliver brief remarks about a “national security
initiative” reportedly involving Australia, the UK and potentially more
at 5 pm eastern. According to Politico, Biden will announce a new
working group with Britain and Australia to share advanced technologies
in a thinly veiled bid to counter China.”
Will General Milley call to warn General Li?
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
There are some unknowns that we have to know. Was the FBI and CIA on board with this? Probably not because otherwise we would be under martial law now. Nancy Pelosi as Speaker certainly was but was the Minority Leader of the House and Senate informed as well? What was the reaction of Milley’s staff when he told them? Where did Woodward get the information with a quote of Milley saying some very strange things to the Chinese? It could be that this was not sanctioned except by a few and that Milley was acting on his own. It’s happened before. 
Harley44
Harley44
4 years ago
One thing ex-President Trump is correct about is that this is called treason. It is as close to an unconstitutional coup as this country has ever come. General “Thoroughly Modern” Milley should resign and pray he does not get prosecuted.
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Harley44
Coup? Really?
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Bungalow Bill
Hyperbole. Sure. But if Jan 6th was a coup, so was this.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
If this is true, the general needs to go to jail. You can’t have the chairman of the joints chief of staff undermine the commander and chief. No matter what. The precedent it sets is terrible. It invites mutiny.
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
At this point, in dire need of income to pay for the incredible amount of debt Donald Trump has produced, Trump is clearly using his role in politics to separate the green paper from the hands of his supporters. There was a story where all his political offices are set up in places he owns like Trump Tower. MAGA cultists send him cash in hopes he runs again, he spends it in overpriced real estate (Trump owned) no sane politician would ever set up offices in due to costs, and Trump has an easy cash flow coming in that will assuredly be helpful when the bills come due. If he runs again, he would actually have to steer this money towards advertising, increased staff, etc. He will tease his weak minded supporters who still haven’t figured out this man is quite liberal and doesn’t share their values despite the reality TV rhetoric. I agree. He won’t run again.
Corvinus
Corvinus
4 years ago
Reply to  Bungalow Bill
All of which is really beside the point that Milley can be accused of being insubordinate and deliberately undermining the president. That’s not to even mention him coming across sounding like a supplicant to the leader of the opposing forces – which ultimately translates as weakness to foreign eyes and ears.
jiminy
jiminy
4 years ago
Who knows what to make of this?  Milley may have jumped the chain of command and committed treason.  As a veteran, my impression of the brass was/is that they lie easily and are very good at sucking up and kicking down.  The military is a bureaucracy not a gallant, principled organization.  Don’t expect military brass to be any different than deep state operatives.  Milley needs to explain this before congress and face punishment, if appropriate.
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  jiminy
I agree having served. It does seem he jumped the chain of command, but as for treason… I don’t know if I would go that far. 

Having served, this blind support of the military from Americans continues to crack me up realizing how rotten some of the military is. Putting on a uniform does not make anyone a hero. To support the unconstitutional wars that rob taxpayers of more of their income, they have produced a country of Pavlov’s dogs ready to say “thank you for your service” on command no matter who claims they wore the uniform never considering their actual record noted on a DD-214.  I know I served with some real crapheads. 

If anything, after four years, Donald Trump clearly lacked the leadership to lead his inferiors and he clearly never earned their respect. With that said, this general was way out of line.

Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  jiminy

We only have an excerpt from a book and not the whole
context or story and only a Congressional inquiry can determine what really
happened. It certainly does look very strange and unusual but I reserve my
opinion of Milley till we have more information. That being said generals and
high officers are human too and can make very big mistakes which is why in our
form of government we always have civilian control over them. Another thing is
that some legislators are
certainly not above manipulating the military leadership for their own
purposes.

Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago

For the moment Gen. Mark Milley has neither confirmed
nor denied Woodward’s story which considering the gravity of the allegation is
a surprise in itself.

TrumpisFired
TrumpisFired
4 years ago
Trump is just a clown. 
Roto1711
Roto1711
4 years ago
Reply to  TrumpisFired
And Biden isn’t?
amigator
amigator
4 years ago
This is silly the FBI releases a highly redacted document on their investigation into 911 20 years ago  but yet Woodward obtains all kinds of  “National Security” information from less than a year ago. This country is doomed! We are so screwed.
The  Chinese  were worried about Jan 6 OMG! You have to be kidding me. There were no weapons taken in as if to really take over the capitol the only one killed was shot by the police all others died due to underlying conditions!  How the hell can you take anything over without weapons! Get real! Now could it be a start of something. Yes that part could be true. There will be some major pardons one day for 100’s being raked over the coals for trespassing.
Are you telling me that what the General did was not illegal? Sounds a lot like what they were accusing Trumpolini of doing dealing with foreign governments. Acting as an agent for who?  
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
We should note that Bob Woodward has been eating dinner on Watergate for some time now. And his books are, um, entertaining. And clearly he’s a mouthpiece for some segment of the denizens of DC. I’ll admit to having written him off many years ago. His stuff is purposely and gratuitously inflammatory. He triggers my BS detector from a mile away.
But let’s ignore all that and take this thing at face value, like it’s real. After all, it could be true and complete, right? Though, the entertainment industry has put out BS stories as scary as this and a significant number of people have bought ’em. Think, “Drink bleach to cure Covid.”
The quotes here, though, are, shall we say, serious Rorschach Blots. Lots of ways to take them.
I love the money quote: Milley admitting to being a traitor. Except, wait. He told the Chinese the truth! There was, judging by known events, no way Trump was going to start a war with China. So, is telling that to the PRC treason? And, was telling the PRC that he, Milley, would commit treason if such were not the case, treason? And, does it reflect badly on Trump that he was not pushing a kinetic war with China? Apparently, many people, including commenters here, believe that it does so reflect. And many commenters seem to find it impossible to believe Trump was not pushing a kinetic war with China, actual facts be damned.
Now, one must wonder whether this PRC general will call up Milley and warn him of their Taiwan take-over on the morrow. That might be handy knowledge to have ahead of time. Certainly could be valuable for stock trading. But, if that general does not make such a call, then hasn’t he violated basic, human rules of reciprocity – of quid pro quo?
Now, think about how this reflects on Woodward’s industry. Why would the PRC think Trump would loose-cannon a war with them? Well, judging by how the US press seems to be believed, hook, line, and sinker, by people in other countries, who can blame them? So one thing we do know from the facts: If the Milley-PRC quote is accurate and complete, then he was desperately scrambling to mitigate the damage done by Woodward’s entertainment industry. Good for him.
billybobjr
billybobjr
4 years ago
This doesn’t pass the smell test and Mish is sucked in . Did Trump order plans or contingency plans to strike China was there evidence
Trump was planning this ? Was Milley and other military people brass being ordered by Trump to draw up plans ? By the way the FBI said there is no evidence of a conspiracy on Jan 6th funny you have not read that here. Sounds like the Chinese were concerned over ship movements near there 
waters. The general called the chinese to assure them they would be the first to know if there was and attack . Did Milley tell Trump of the intelligence 
about the Chinese concern ? By the way there are still US ships challenging Chinese waters to this day . If Milley thought Trump was going to start a war there definitely should be others who were in discussions about this. Did Trump have discussions with Milley and other military leaders about a China strike. My guess is no and no and it is Milley who is delusional and after hearing him about White anger and the botched pullout in Afghanistan
I am really worried about who is running things because Biden isn’t he has told people he isn’t . 
Corvinus
Corvinus
4 years ago
This is one of those stories where the interpretation is completely dependent on what one thinks of Trump in particular. Shedlock couches it strictly in terms of Trump The Menace because of his own animosity against Trump.
Much has been said about Trump being apparently so unhinged that he would be capable of something like nuking Germany because he ate some bad schnitzel. Hate the man all you want but is that really credible? Based on what evidence exactly? Certainly not Trump’s propensity for invading or starting armed conflicts. When many of the people saying that are war mongers and shills for the military industrial complex themselves it makes it even less credible.
If anything isn’t it a serious breach of the chain of command and a potentially treasonous offense to have unsanctioned backdoor dealings with an adversarial country that undermine the sitting president? Not to mention the fact that the quotes attributed to Miley make him sound like an appeasing subservient cuck to the Chinese General. Given Miley’s propensity for supporting woke talking points I’m not exactly surprised.
Are people really happy that an essentially rogue general can take it upon himself to do these sorts of things and goodness knows what else? Is that the kind of precedent you support because you don’t happen to like the guy that got elected?
StickToEconomics
StickToEconomics
4 years ago
Reply to  Corvinus
ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!!!

4 years of propaganda overruled everyone’s brain and people STILL after think Biden was the better choice.  What a bunch of losers.
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
Orange man sounds like a libtard. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxgybgEKHHI 

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
What he did was treason in the same manner that what the Jan 6th people did was treason. Either both were or both weren’t treasonous acts.
The difference is the people on Jan 6th were on the losing side and he’s on the winning side and history is written by the winners. So even though he should get similar punishment to the Jan 6th people he won’t.
bgwms
bgwms
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
The clowns on Jan. 6 rioted, trespassed, destroyed property and some attacked Capitol police.  How was that any different from widespread rioting throughout the summer and fall of 2020?  Other than the fact that none of the Jan. 6th rioters killed anyone or had any weapons. Oh, yeah, and the fact that they scared the pearl clutching politicians.  Doesn’t really fit my definition of Treason.
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  bgwms
It’s ironic that many of those who did storm the Capitol on January 6 will soon find themselves labeled “federal felons” which means they will probably lose their gun rights for this guy…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxgybgEKHHI

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  bgwms
It’s not that they did those things. It’s when (during a political power transfer) and where they did them (capital building).
Context matters. If they did that on Jan 5th or 7th no one would have batted an eyelash.
I merely suggested that both acts or neither qualify for treason.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
A better question would be ‘who trusts the general?’ I agree that it dooms Trump, but for another reason. A good leader does not surround himself with weak people. Clearly, Milley is in that category, since he is still working for Biden. In fact, it is difficult to think of a more incompetent government employee, except Fauci.
Six000mileyear
Six000mileyear
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
A Gen Milley didn’t have to go to his Chinese counterpart because to prevent a war all he had to do was refuse to carry out the command to attack China. That is in itself treasonous, but if no command to attack is issued, then no one knew Gen Milley’s thoughts.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Agree with you Trump wont run but there might be enough people to write him in and make the election irrelevant.  Looking at Trump, DeSantis and Abbott trying to suck up as much oxygen is just like  pouring gas on the dumpster fire they are. Trump is the gift that keeps on giving and I said he would be after 2020. He keeps poisoning other Republican politicians more than anyone else and the party as a whole looks worse off. 
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
As a lifelong Republican until about five years ago, I have no desire to support a party led by Donald Trump. The GOP has a real problem right now. It can be a principled party or it can continue moving left while duping the low educated voter while looking like a reality TV show. This is not a party that believes in individual liberty and fiscal sanity.  
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If
we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not
going to be a surprise.
There was an incident where Iran shot down one of our drones and the military was all set to to bomb whatever in Iran, in response. Trump called it off at the last moment, saying that bombing whatever in Iran, was going to kill Iranians, when no Americans were harmed by the U.S. drone being shot down.
Trump also, several times planned to pull troops out of Syria. There allegedly was one time when Trump wanted some contingent removed, and the military told Trump they had done so, while not actually removing them.
Lindsey Grahm got apoplectic every time Trump talked about pulling troops out of Syria.
I just don’t see any logic to Milley’s fear that Trump might attack China.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Is there there a statement about what in particular required Milley to void his established duties, and go behind his commander’s back? If there is, I have yet to see it. Did Trump ask for a plan of attack against China? 
This is the sort of behavior associated with cowardice and gross incompetence. That he still holds his position is testament to his malfeasance.
Corvinus
Corvinus
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Indeed. As I mentioned above, the allegations of trump’s derangement with respect to military matters seem to be more a function of the hatred of Trump by the accuser than any objective evidence.
No one should be applauding Miley, he’s an insubordinate at the minimum. I’d like to see what Miley’s reaction would be if one of his colonels went behind his back and undermined him because he felt he had cause.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Exactly how many generals did Trump bring in…and how many of them thought he was anything but an utter fool, by the time they left? Let’s count.
He fired Flynn first rattle out of the box.
McMaster, Kelly, Mattis. They all rushed in to help him, and they all left pissed off and disillusioned. 
He called Adm. Bill McRaven a “Hillary fan”. He made fun of retired General Stanley McCrystal in a tweet, called him dumb and a “Hillary lover.”
Trump is on record as saying that he thought  “I would have made a good general, but who knows?”
Why? Because Fred sent him to military high school? Really? 
It’s not just generals who got their fill of Trump.
Anthony Scaramucci left.
Mark Esper, Defense Secretary…..left.
Richard Spencer , Secretary of the navy, left.
Bill Barr, AG. left. 
Chris Krebs, Director of Cybersecurity, left.
Kelly Anne Conway left.
Mick Mulvaney left.
Brad Parscale left.
Gordon Sondlund left.
Lt Colonel Alexander Vinman left.
Kevin MacAleenan, Secretary for Homeland Security…..left.
John Bolton, National Security Secretary…left.
Very few people who worked closely with Trump when he was President stuck it out. Can anybody see a pattern here? It isn’t about the people who left…..it’s about Trump, folks. Get a clue.
The world of the internet is full of armchair generals like those of your here who are quick to crucify Milley…..Me?  I’m glad we have a few generals left  who wouldn’t jump to carry some out really, really stupid move by a bad POTUS like Trump. That’s a good sign whether you realize it or not.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
The Fed. Gov’t is full of ‘yes’ people, low level thinkers who want to preserve their jobs, perks, prestige, and retirement packages. A classic example, the wimpy ambassador to the Ukraine (Yovanovitch) who whimpered about a tweet from Trump.
Milley is a woke joke. His ‘competence’ came to light in the retreat from Afghanistan.
Corvinus
Corvinus
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
How about Trump adversary Lt Col. Alexander Vinman? Does he qualify as one of those ‘armchair generals’ who thinks Milley went to far in breaking chain of command and should resign if these accusations are true?
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Corvinus
I saw that Vinman came down against Milley’s alleged behavior. He’s certainly in a position to have some perspective, and he’s entitled to his opinion. But I’d say that the main argument..that Milley broke the chain of command, is the only thing to hang him with…..all the other allegations about Afghanistan, and Milley’s personal politics, don’t really matter in this at all. And, knowing Trump’s behavior at the time was clearly erratic and dangerous, I can overlook Milley’s sins.
KS Farm Boy
KS Farm Boy
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Thanks for sharing, Eddie_T. I agree. BTW, I know well a Trump “true believer” who, if presented with that list, would respond with: “they didn’t leave, they were fired for cause.”
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
I have never figured out why those who served flock to Trump. He attacked POWs and John McCain. I am no big fan of McCain, but to attack him for getting captured in battle sure tells me a lot of what Trump really thinks about those who serve. 

Clearly he doesn’t understand the brotherhood of those who served. Bone spurs…

RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If
we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not
going to be a surprise.
According to the quote, Milley didn’t say he was going to stop the attack, just let Li know it was coming.
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
A lot of trumps presidency reminded me of Nixon.    
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
“Woodward broke Watergate.”
He also had that “bombshell” interview with Trump, in which he sat on an allegedly important piece of information for months. Which if it had really mattered, Woodward was endangering people, by sitting on it, until promoting his book.
GaryL
GaryL
4 years ago
Sorry, Mish, a predominately Libertarian I be, but I have always considered Milley a woke, social engineering sycophant who is unworthy of his position under Trump, Biden or anyone else. By the way, he’s not good at nation-building and wokeness either, but that’s another discussion. What he proved to be good at is insubordination at best, and Treason at worst. There are ways within the system to advance his concerns, like maybe talking with his boss or resigning in protest. But he enjoys his Power, doesn’t he. Now to your point, his likely criminal theatrics may indeed have derailed a possible comeback attempt by Trump, who lost to the Swamp last time and would again if he were elected again.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  GaryL
Milley’s bio on Wikipedia is very illustrative. As an ‘armchair general’, all I see are administrative duties, often me-too plans to keep up with the other services. His few operational assignments do not indicate any strategic thinking–the source notwithstanding.
GaryL
GaryL
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
A relative, once voted “most likely to make General” in a USAF officer training class, quit the US Military in disillusion a few years back because of what he described as extreme politicization at the higher ranks. He said it didn’t used to be so extreme, but has gone nearly parabolic in the last 10-12 years. Instead of warriors and strategists for winning wars, the Top Brass has become a promotional organization for equality of results within its ranks and social engineers in occupied lands. Milley looks to be the Poster Boy for this new look. Will technology overcome this new philosophy if we are ever in a major war again?
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
4 years ago
Trump, who could justifiably be called the Don Corleone of international politics, was many things, but stupid he was not.
This tacit admission or propaganda piece that this book or general is revealing, point to a general decline in intellectual level at the top.
The Chinese leadership probably came to this conclusion after these alleged phone calls.
Sun Tzu say, when the enemy is showing weakness, it could be feigning it, but why would the enemy show weakness on all fronts? Sun Tzu doesn’t say.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Inexperience in politics is certainly a factor, however, Trump’s biggest problems were ego and an inability to surround himself with competent people, and keep them. It didn’t help that the mass media was constantly attacking him every step of the way..
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
The guy didn’t help his cause by firing some capable people like on a tv show. This general probably kept a really low profile for a reason. Trump negotiating with the Taliban, but  aching for war with China? Eh, some great thinking there, general.
strataland
strataland
4 years ago
I’m more concerned with a military general operating out of lock step with his duly elected commander and chief. 
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  strataland
I would say America is deserving of this having thrown trillions and trillions of their dollars at this crap for decades. Eisenhower warned us. Major General Smedley Butler warned us. James Madison clearly warned us. We are tax slaves to this massive machine now. I can’t say I get excited when I am at a sporting event and the salutes to the military begin. I even served in the army.

Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.

James Madison, Political Observations, Apr. 20, 1795 in: Letters and Other Writings of James Madison, vol. 4, p. 491 (1865)

Webej
Webej
4 years ago
How ironic. The guy was surrounded by war-mongering neo-cons and idiots like Pompeo, stymied by the Pentagon and the CIA from pulling out of Afghanistan & Syria, vilified for wanting to talk to the Russians instead of more hybrid warfare … but he is the danger to world peace? The first president since Carter not to start new foreign invasions. The idea that the Chinese would share liberals’ tendency to believe their own BS (projection) and fear irrational behavior on the part of Trump, but not the neo-cons plowing around the China Sea, who have shown so much wisdom attacking Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Niger, etc etc., dropping a bomb every 12 mins.
[Always thought Trump was a moron, but that doesn’t mean others are not]
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Webej
I keep seeing this idea that Trump is a champion of world peace and yet all we have from him is “shoulda, coulda, woulda.” He clearly spoke of peace and yet his inaction over four years says it all. In the end all we got was a photo op at the 38 parallel, words, and hypocritical tweets from before 2017 where he actually talked a good peace game. At least Carter actually has a record. 
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
SURE ….and as far as I remember, fn Obama wanted war with Russia ….which did not happen merely thanks to Putin’s ADMIRABLE but not inexhaustible restraint !  Mind you, I don t actualy like fn narcist Trump …. yet let s keep on bashing him nevertheless, diverting attention from a increasingly dire situation, in  ALL aspects !  
njbr
njbr
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
War with Russia is very different than bending over for an authoritarian like Putin like Europe.
Do you squeal when he enters? 
Jcbl
Jcbl
4 years ago
And we should believe any of this why?  Sounds like it comes from the Russian hoax school of journalism. 
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Jcbl
This looks like the real deal or I would not touch it. Woodward broke Watergate.
Story very believable. 
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Woodward got all his information from Associate Director of the FBI  Mark Felt who did not do it for patriotic reasons but because he was passed over for promotion. Maybe we have a similar situation.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Jcbl
Are you saying Russia didnt interfere in 2016 ? You dont wanna go there. 
goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
Treason! Throw the woke bum into the brig.
bryantkeefe
bryantkeefe
4 years ago
This is just plain stupid. 
Freebees2me
Freebees2me
4 years ago
You Never-Trumpers are nuts….
There’s no “Deep State”…check
The Russians got Trump elected…check
Trump would start a war with China during his last days in office…check
Well – did Trump try to start a war with China?  Did he?  NO!  He didn’t!!
Milley (who is a first class traitor) was “WORRIED” he would and so he called China to tell them he’d warn them first if Trump did…   What?
And you all think Trump is a fascist???
Look in the mirror if you want to see a real fascist…
hhabana
hhabana
4 years ago
Reply to  Freebees2me
The last I checked it was liberal faschists that were attacking Trump supporters during the 2016 and 2020 election. You people are violent, delusional maniacs. 
You’re lucky I’m not President. I’d declare Antifa a terrorist organization and any BLM protest where people are physically attacked, buildings vandalized and burnt and looting would be met with arrests, batons, rubber bullets and work camps. 
az_dirt
az_dirt
4 years ago
Reply to  hhabana
Pretty sure you can’t define Fascism off the top of your head.  But sure, Trump is a very stable genius, he was just discussing how to stop the certification of the Electoral College votes and retain power because, you know, brainstorming. 
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  Freebees2me
It would behoove people to note that all I did was report the facts. 
The fact is Woodward wrote a book that is totally believable.
The secondary story regards Trump and Milley. 
Opinions vary on whether Milley should have done what he did. 
Freebees2me
Freebees2me
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
I agree. 
To save civilian rule, General Milley disregarded it…
goldguy
goldguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Woodward known as a sleaze, more fake news IMO
Bungalow Bill
Bungalow Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  Freebees2me
I find it funny how Trumpers have embraced their redistribution of wealth stimulus checks, their COVID socialism spending, the massive attack on personal property rights with Trump’s wall and executive order 13945, the gun control Trump pushed, the $8 trillion in more debt Trump signed into law, the new taxes Trump pushed (tariffs are taxes Americans pay), etc.

I find those words “never Trumpers” cute considering the Constitution and what people claimed they stood for when Obama was president but sacrificed the minute the magic R showed up behind Trump’s name and he got elected.

Reptilicus
Reptilicus
4 years ago

Milley endangered US forces by promising advance notice to our potential adversary and violated longstanding US defense policy by doing so without any civilian authorization. This is in addition to endangering American civilians months later in Afghanistan. He needs to resign. The 1905 Russian revolution had a leadership structure behind it. We know full well that 1/6 was a spontaneous and “mostly peaceful” demonstration, far more peaceful than the riots of 2020, and that it had no organizers. Milley knew that then as well. It’s absurd to think it was any sort of preparation for revolution so for this reason as well Milley should resign. He is a woke joke, and a very unfunny one at that, and he has greatly diminished morale by colluding with our woke DefSec Austin to impose a culture of white male guilt at the American male’s last bastion of masculinity, our military.Finally any comparison between Milley and Schlesinger is absurd as well because DefSec Schlesinger was a civilian leader, whereas Milley is merely brass. Apples and oranges and he was way past his station to act as a civilian leader.

njbr
njbr
4 years ago
Reply to  Reptilicus
Ahahahaha–endangered US forces by promising no first strike?
You might have to take on all the former leaders during the cold war.
az_dirt
az_dirt
4 years ago
Reply to  Reptilicus
We know full well that 1/6 was a planned event designed to disrupt the Electoral College vote certification and allow Trump to stay in power.  Luckily Trump didn’t have the guts to go through with it even though Flynn, Lindell and the rest of the seditionists wanted him to.   
Esclaro
Esclaro
4 years ago
There is nothing that will convince the members of the Trump Death Cult that their leader is a psychopath. That’s because they are mentally ill and like having another mentally ill person lead them. If Trump told them all to commit suicide they would do it. 
njbr
njbr
4 years ago
His people have bought so far into the “fake news”/”rigged” story it won’t make a difference to them.
The last few years have convinced me that people from all walks of life, with all sorts of apparent intelligence and competence, are easy pickings for con-men like Trump.  I don’t know what it is, but there is a wide streak of gullibility running through the population.  He is still dangerous to America and a significant portion of the population loves him.
It is also fortunate that there is a wider streak of laziness in the American population. 
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  njbr
I have to agree, Biden is a great improvement. However, the USA will take a great step forward into peace and prosperity with Kamala Harris.
It amuses me that the lessons of history are ignored, that contrary opinions are rejected out of hand based on differing values and beliefs, that there is only one ‘truth’ and that is the truth put forward by mass media and the government. 
shamrock
shamrock
4 years ago
I think Trump is right when he says that he could commit murder on 5th avenue and not lose a single vote.  Nothing changes these peoples minds.
mrusa
mrusa
4 years ago
If if’s and but’s were candy and nuts…like him or not we saw the least amount of war mongering when compared to Bush or Obama from Trump.  Four years of the least escalation of war or foreign entanglements.  A fact that a libertarian like Mish should acknowldge and appreciate.
njbr
njbr
4 years ago
Reply to  mrusa
So I guess Biden is a win…
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Now we know why we didn’t win in Afghanistan. 
Henry_MixMaster
Henry_MixMaster
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Also this book reports that Trump issued an order to have all troops withdrawn from Afghanistan by January 15, 2021.
Moreover, what makes you think we would fare any better in Afghanistan after seeing both the Russians and British leave?
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago

It’s not just him. He is representative of a class of
generals who are more interested in playing the political game for advancement
than in winning wars. In the 1930’s we had the same problem but when war became
imminent and existential we fortunately had leadership that could make the
decision to get rid of the political generals and replace them with real ones.
In WW II  you had 90 days to perform or you were relieved. In Vietnam they
changed the system. Generals were rotated in and then back out after a few
months. Consequently generals were never fired for lack of results because in
any case they would be rotated out. The result is a general or high officer is
not chosen for success but to fill a place till he is rotated back out. The
system persists today. It’s not a secret in military circles that this is a big
problem but for the moment that is the way it is. And by the way what soldier
would like to fight with a general who would call the enemy before an attack?

Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Just added this key sentence
General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
That line is very troubling.
njbr
njbr
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Why–are you a war-monger that doesn’t want to talk to your enemies, real or imagined, or ginned-up enemies for political reasons?
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  njbr
You are living in TV program.
ajc1970
ajc1970
4 years ago
Reply to  njbr
It’s a big deal when a military general doesn’t stay in his lane.
That’s a much bigger threat to democracy than any idiot in the White House.
az_dirt
az_dirt
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
It’s so the Chinese don’t get nervous and launch preemptively thinking the unstable Trump is going to start a war to avoid leaving office.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  az_dirt
Are you General Milly making a comment here on Mish’s forum? You don’t know what he was thinking.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago

“Trump’s own top general was so fearful Trump might do something stupid that he made secret calls to the leader of a foreign nation telling that nation we would not attack, but if we did they would get advance warning.

I have repeatedly commented Trump will not run again. He may pretend that he will, but even if so, he will find a reason to back out.

This book seals the fate. 

Who wants to elect someone whose own top general does not trust to make wise decisions?”

Funny, I was worried too. The hard to explain part is why some people WEREN’T worried. Everybody who has a brain should have been very worried.
The Golem is currently trying to ascend again. I am NOT as convinced as you are that we don’t need to worry now.

hhabana
hhabana
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
I trust Trump a 1000 times more than Milley who believes in CRT, humiliated America in the sloppy Afghanistan departure and then does a treasonous act communicating with a Chinese General and subverting his President. 
He should be court martialed. 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  hhabana
My,my……just see them come out of the woodwork like an infestation of termites.
This is what worries me. 

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