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Green Party Implodes in Germany

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At the end of April and beginning of May, support for the Green Party surged, briefly putting them in first place. 

Talk of a Green government ensued. Take a look at the turn of events. 

Think Germans are Green?

There are polls, and there are polls that explain the polls. The latter are the interesting ones.

An Infratest dimap poll, published June 10, debunked one of the more persistent myths about Germany – that it is naturally a green country. Germany has a strong Green party, but there is a specific history to that, one that one should not be confused with general attitudes in society.

Here are some of the highlights. Should the state outlaw behaviour that is particularly damaging to the climate? 53% say No. Are you in favour of higher petrol prices? 75% say No. Should the government encourage a shift from fuel-driven to electrical cars? 57% say No.

The Greens are back to where they were at the beginning of the year, at around 20-22% – which we think is where the current core support lies. 

The above snips are courtesy of Eurointelligence. 

Next Election

The next German Federal election is September 26. 

It is difficult to envision any strong coalition based on the most recent polls. It is difficult to put together something that adds up to 50% that actually makes any sense. 

Recall the Yellow Vest Protests

Anyone recall the Yellow Vest Protests in France when French President emmanuel Macron tried to hike the gas tax to pay for clean energy. 

The protests (riots is a better word given the violence) began on November 17, 2018 and went on for a year. 

Switzerland Referendum

People may say they want Green policies but no one wants to pay for them.

That was the message just a week ago when Swiss Reject Climate Change With Zoomers and Millennials Leading the Way

Comments on the Implosion

A reader commented: “If a reduction of 5 percentage points from 25 to 20 percent is regarded as “imploding” then both the Republican and the Democratic parties in the US have imploded several times.”

That’s a poor way of looking at things in a multiparty system.

Six percentage points (25 to 19) in a six-way or more multi-party system is an implosion. The Greens went from forming a government to perhaps not even being in it.

If you do the math, support for the Greens plunged 24% in about a month. Yes, that’s imploding.

I do expect the Greens will be in the next government but perhaps they prefer to be the main opposition. Curiously, there are several parties who may prefer to be the main opposition rather than a junior partner.

The next government may not be very stable.

Mish

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njbr
njbr
2 years ago
“Sheeple” is one of those words that immediately makes me discount the value of a comment by half.
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Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
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The funny thing is, the guy throwing it around also disparages ‘woke’ people.  
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Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  njbr
Since you obviously meant me, let me elaborate on it.
Sheeple is useful hyperbole, that encompassed a segment of population that I have run into in my rather long life.
Basically, those who are impervious to reason and refuse to educate themselves if you paid them, and as a result believes in whatever, conspiracy theories would be a good example.
Wokism is to follow whatever social activism is the fashion du jour.
Finally, I would rather write in concise hyperbole rather than writing long, boring, and meaningless assays.
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njbr
njbr
2 years ago
Meanwhile in the currency of the future…Bitcoins Worth $3.6 Billion Have Vanished Along With South African Firm Africrypt and Its Founders
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Mish
Mish
2 years ago
“If a reduction of 5 percentage points from 25 to 20 percent is regarded as “imploding” then both the Republican and the Democratic parties in the US have imploded several times.”
6 percentage points (25 to 19) in a 6-way or more multi-party system is an implosion. 
The Greens went from forming a government  to perhaps not even being in it.
If you do the math, that is a 24% drop in support, in about a month.
Yes, that’s imploding.
I do expect they will be in the next government but perhaps they prefer to be the main opposition. Curiously, there are several parties who may prefer to be the main opposition rather than a junior partner. 
The next government may not be very stable.
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njbr
njbr
2 years ago
It’s a world of “my rights” in a world that needs more “my responsibility”.
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Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
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It’s not even “my rights” anymore.  It’s “try and stop me”
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Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

Since I live in France perhaps I should a bit about the
Yellow Vest protests. They lasted a long time, were in many cases violent and
only stopped because of Covid. It was a rage by common people because it didn’t
seem to matter for whom or for which party you voted for you still got the same
bad to mediocre policies with the corresponding results. It was neither Right
nor Left and when politicians tried to “join and lead” they were booed out.  I bring it up because today we have the second
round of the Regional elections. The first round exhibited an historic low
turnout and the second round happening now is showing a similar lack of
enthusiasm as the first. Granted many people don’t understand what a Region
actually does bur nevertheless in the past they did vote. This time it looks
that something more than 80% of the voters are saying to Hell with voting
because nothing ever changes. The party of the present government who have a
majority in the Assembly won in the last election got only 11% of the vote this
time around. There are some strange things afoot and I would expect a big
change coming but I don’t know what that change will bring. It’s boiling
underneath.

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EWM
EWM
2 years ago
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“Working within the system means to become a part of the system. When you go into the voting booth, the only meaningful significance that your action will have is to show that one more person supports the state”. ~Mark Davis
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Mish
Mish
2 years ago
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Comments on the chanced of National Front and Le Pen?
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Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
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It is a bit early but the traditional right looks to have come back from almost oblivion in a big way. It had collapsed with the election of Macron and his party in the last parliamentary elections and many thought that he had captured the center and made what some had hoped would be a new movement. Marcon however proved to many to be a disappointment. The traditional Right did not ally with Le Pen as some thought but just stole or perhaps adopted some of her positions notably on being hard on immigration and a certain carefulness with Brussels. Additionally the French have been looking very hard at the woke culture coming from the US and not liking it at all. Le Pen hasn’t done as well as expected probably because even though they may like some of what she says they do not like her nor the history of her party. Fortunately the Traditional Right was able to take the wind from her sails are the important issues. Before the Traditional Right would ally with the Left to block Le Pen. They now cut that tie but did not ally with le Pen. They just took her platform thereby giving many French a way to vote for more conservative policies without the going far right. 
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Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
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As of now 73% of the French have regional presidents who are from the Right.
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Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
2 years ago
Oh Mish this isnt an implosion. Humans are too short sighted to survive on this planet. Some like Musk and Bezos have given up hoping we can find air and water on a planet that has none (Mars).  At some point we will be put out of our misery in the next 80 years. 
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anoop
anoop
2 years ago
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what is special about 80?
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whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
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I would guess he is referring to the end of the current century.
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Casual_Observer
Casual_Observer
2 years ago
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80 years is approximately when sea levels rise to wipe out about 1/7 of the global population. Cities like Kolkata, Mumbai. Chennai, Shanghai, Miami and San Diego will be impacted. 
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TexasTim65
TexasTim65
2 years ago
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No one will actually be wiped out. They will just move to higher ground.
So the wording you should be using is ‘displace’ 1/7 of the global population.
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whirlaway
whirlaway
2 years ago
If a reduction of 5 percentage points from 25 to 20 percent is regarded as “imploding” then both the Republican and the Democratic parties in the US have “imploded” several times.
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Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Who is woke and who is even more woke, that is the question (to paraphrase), in a country that has gone politically haywire.
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Zardoz
Zardoz
2 years ago
Reply to  Maximus_Minimus

Who is parroting meaningless catchwords?

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Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
If you lived in or close to Germany, and had two brain cells to put together, you would decipher the meaning of it.
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