Another Pro-Russia Political Party Emerges in Germany, Why That Matters

The German “Traffic Light” coalition has splintered beyond salvation. A new German party that aims to defy labels has emerged. There are similar events with the No Labels party in the US.

BSW Another New Party in Germany

The idea of a third party gaining more than a few percentage points in the US is widely scoffed at. It hasn’t happened since Ross Perot.

But even five percent will gain seats in German parliament and anything over 10 percent can be a very big deal depending on who loses votes in the transfer.

Meet the “Sarah Wagenknecht Alliance (BSW) — Reason and Fairness”

Curiously, Sarah Wagenknecht seeks to “defy labels” with a mix of left-leaning economic, conservative migration and pro-Russian foreign policy initiatives.

Certainly, she will have more luck with the no labels idea in Germany than the No Labels party in the US. Let’s take a closer look.

DW reports Sahra Wagenknecht Launches New Political Party

Sahra Wagenknecht on Monday, presented her recently announced political party to journalists in Berlin. The “Sarah Wagenknecht Alliance (BSW) — Reason and Fairness,” she said, will seek to establish itself as a true people’s party and enter its first EU and German state elections this year.

Wagenknecht: ‘Left’ has become an empty label

Wagenknecht said the party would avoid calling itself “leftist” as the term has been reduced to questions of “gender and lifestyle,” becoming devoid of any real meaning. Wagenknecht railed against the current SPD, Green and FDP coalition, accusing leaders of dividing the nation.

She also voiced support for the aggressive farmers’ protests playing out across Germany, saying, “They [the farmers] see a government that has no plan other than to take the money that has already become tighter out of their pockets.” German farmers protesting the prospect of subsidy cuts most recently made headlines by threatening Vice-Chancellor Robert Habeck as he sought to debark a ferry in northern Germany last week.

In outlining the party’s policies, Wagenknecht and her colleagues said BSW will focus on establishing “social justice” by advocating left-leaning economic policies — job security, higher wages, generous benefits and a revamped tax system; combined with restrictive migration policy.

Moreover, Wagenknecht and her party reject sanctions leveled against Russia over the nearly two years since it launched its war of aggression on neighboring Ukraine in February 2022. BSW also opposes the NATO military alliance, saying it “contributes to global instability” by creating “a sense of threat” — the main argument Russian President Vladimir Putin used to justify invasions of Georgia in 2008, and Ukraine in 2014 and 2022.

Beyond those issues, BSW also opposes the current coalition’s environmental policies, including the phase-out of internal combustion vehicles and the shift toward renewable energy.

Anti-Green, Anti-Immigration, Anti-Nato, Pro-Russia

Reuters notes Icon of German Left Vows to Save Democracy

Sahra Wagenknecht, a former leader of the Left party, said she would inspire disillusioned voters with measures such as reversing unpopular environmental initiatives, ending weapons deliveries to Ukraine, cutting immigration, and improving state-provided services like education and pensions.

“To my great regret, you no longer find in the German party spectrum a party that seriously advocates for these issues: good pay, solid pensions, a strong social state,” she told reporters when introducing her top team.

In Ukraine, it is time to end the war by negotiating, she said. Wagenknecht added, incorrectly, that even Ukraine’s generals now say its battle against Russia’s invasion cannot be won.

While some of her positions, especially on migration and Ukraine, share ground with the Alternative for Germany (AfD), which is on up to 23% in polls, Wagenknecht said she would not be open to members joining directly from the far-right AfD – though she would be open to their voters.

Germany’s Nigel Farage

Eurointelligence labels Sahra Wagenknecht as Germany’s Nigel Farage

It is far too early to tell whether Sahra Wagenknecht’s new political party has legs. We think that the political environment is moving in her favour. We knew that BSW, as her party is known, would favour an immediate stop of weapons deliveries to Ukraine and resume gas supplies from Russia. We also knew her position on immigration. One of the things we did not know is the deep euroscepticism, as has just been revealed in her party’s European election manifesto. It is a version of Euroscepticism that is reminiscent of the Vote Leave campaign in the UK.

The manifesto’s main statement is that European integration, as represented by the EU, had failed. Her big gripe is that the EU has become too green, too bureaucratic, and too American. The lurch back into Atlanticism under Ursula von der Leyen is hard to dispute. It opens the EU to a new form of opposition from the left. Wagenknecht’s party wants to scale the EU down to size, and strengthen the role of member states. She also categorically rejects EU enlargement.

Moreover, it advocates active resistance to the implementation of EU rules in areas that run counter to Germany’s economic interests, social justice, peace, democracy, and freedom of opinion – in other words in all areas in which the EU is active. She is basically calling for a path of resistance that would essentially kill the EU if applied over a certain period of time, as FAZ [a German newspaper] noted.

uroscepticism comes in different guises. Eurosceptics are not all alike. The main force of Euroscepticism in the UK was the right, but without the tacit support of the Left Vote Leave would never have secured a majority. We believe that in Germany, the left-wing version of Euroscepticism is potentially the more dangerous one. The AfD has more supporters than Wagenknecht in total, but Wagenknecht has one potential trump card. Unlike the AfD, she could become a member of a coalition government. Her party does not allow former AfD members to join. Like the other political parties, she too has categorically ruled out any alliances with the AfD. If the parties of the centre eventually form perma-coalitions with each other, she could become a potential partner – possibly for a CDU/CSU/FDP led government.

She will obviously not be able to implement her most radical European pledges, except maybe on enlargement. She is dangerous in the sense that Nigel Farage was dangerous. He did not gain power, but his narratives infiltrated the political discourse. 

Wagenknecht’s main political adversary is the Green Party, which is popular in large cities, especially in those with large student populations. Olaf Scholz’ traffic light coalition is largely a Metropolitan government. The population is now revolting against the two main planks that define this coalition: the Green agenda and an open immigration policy. We wrote about farmers’ protests. Farmers, unlike industrialists, do not have effective political representation in Germany. Right now, they take to the streets. There is nothing particularly rural about Wagenknecht. We would put her in the town/suburban category of political geography. But her openly anti-Green and anti-EU stance would be very attractive to several sections of German society, farmers included.

German Political Polls

BSW has gone from nothing to about 10 percent if you average the last two INSA polls.

I suspect BSW will pick up more farmer support and anti-green vote from somewhere, most likely Union (CDU/CSU). Judging from the results, BSW may have already taken from SPS which is in crash more.

Importantly, she has taken nothing away from AfD or the Greens making coalition math even more difficult.

Death of the Traffic Light

The Traffic Light Coalition is dead and unrevivable. The main beneficiary so far is the Union (CDU/CSU), Angela Merkel’s party.

Parties need at least 5 percent to have seats but there are a few exceptions. FDP is on the bubble. It might not get any seats in the next election.

Extreme Common Ground

If AfD (euroskeptic, anti-Nato, anti-immigration, anti-green) stays north of 20 percent and BSW tops 15 percent, which I suspect, it will become very difficult to form any coalition.

Other than hating each other, the extreme left and extreme right have more common ground than not.

In Germany and the US, there is fading support for Russia sanctions and Green policies.

Poison Partners

SPD won the last federal election and struggled to form a coalition. Eventually it came to terms with the Greens and FDP, dubbed the Traffic Light Coalition based on the colors of the party flags.

Problems arose from the start because FDP is pro-business and the Greens are as far from pro-business as you can get. The Traffic Light has gone from 52% in the last election to 31 percent today.

And super-grand coalitions don’t work anyway. The old standby CDU/CSU/SPD would not even have a majority right now.

I expect SPD support to drop under 10 percent. If so, the Union will have the next shot at picking poison partners.

Behold, the Rise of the Anti-Greens

I have been writing about this story for a while. On July 24, 2023 I proclaimed Behold, the Rise of the Anti-Greens

A major revolt is underway in the EU. Citizens have finally had enough of Green nonsense. The latest polls provide all the evidence you need.

The German AfD party is now polling 22 percent ahead of every party other than Union (CDU/CSU).

Germany is now approaching the point that even if all the centrist parties united in a super-grand coalition that might not top 50 percent.

France Tries to Keep Marine le Pen Off the Ballot

On December 14, I noted EU Integration Stopped and Is Now Headed in Reverse

The EU has always been dysfunctional. But integration and cooperation are now going backward. Hoping to stop the threat, Marine le Pen faces charges dating back to 2015.

Germany Ponders Banning its Second Most Popular Political Party

On January 9, I commented Germany Ponders Banning its Second Most Popular Political Party

Similar to US states attempting to ban Trump from elections, Germany is discussing banning AfD, its second largest political party.

By any strange coincidence do events in Germany and France sound familiar with events in the US?

A Friend Asks “What Happened to the No Labels Party?”

Yesterday, I commented A Friend Asks “What Happened to the No Labels Party?”

That No Labels has failed to denounce Dean Phillips, someone whonhas voted 100% with Biden. And the party would actively consider Nikki Haley

This tells you that No Labels really has a label.

Q: What Label Is That?
A: ABT – Anybody but Trump.

No Labels highest priority right now is political. Well, let’s see who they come up with.

Ironically, polls show little support for Trump or Biden, but no support at all for the center.

Sahra Wagenknecht says the term left is devoid of any real meaning.

Is there any meaning in right or center, when center here means Anyone But Trump while Biden actively promotes another boxing match while denying just that.

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Stefan Pfau
Stefan Pfau
2 years ago

Wagenknecht is just inflating populism, playing no significant role in politics or the public. The large anti AFD, pro democracy demonstrations in contrast make quite an impact right now.

Toutatis
Toutatis
2 years ago
Reply to  Stefan Pfau

I think that these demonstrations only “impact” the people that are already against AFD. It has been very common in France, very big demonstrations against RN (previously FN), and shortly after that, sharp increase in the number of votes for these parties. I am also convinced that in the future AFD will be able to organize the same type of demonstrations.

Vogelfrei
Vogelfrei
2 years ago
Reply to  Stefan Pfau

Years ago Germany discussed how to “integrate” the millions of islamic immigrantts into the German society. Now almost every small village puzzles about how to house the so-called “refugees” that arrives every week. People talk about gang rapes and knife-attacks. The old parties in Germany try to fade out this reality, but now the point is reached, when this do not work any more. And so the right parties (AfD and maybe the new Value-Union) are getting stronger and stronger. Everybody in Germany knows Sara Wagenknecht, she is very intelligent and very handsome and very eloquent. She is a classical left-wing politician and she will probably take many voters away from chancellor Scholz` old social-democatic-party by telling the truth about immigration.

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MiTurn
MiTurn
2 years ago
Reply to  Vogelfrei

I feel badly for Germany and other European countries having to deal with Muslim immigrants. Often, they refuse to integrate, instead demanding Sharia law in their communities, and view the local native people as dhimmis — all the while receiving welfare and state support.

Immigrants win, locals lose. But someday this will fester will come to a head.

JS from KY
JS from KY
2 years ago

I’m not sure if I pointed this out here or in a comment section on another blog, but here goes anyway.

I used to live in Denver over 20 years ago. I sometimes listened to a conservative radio host out there who explained the party system pretty well, IMO. In Europe, they have smaller parties who have to create coalitions to govern and they each seem to stand for something different, or at least have enough differences to matter. Here in the states, the coalitions are baked into the two parties. The Republicans traditionally (well, in the last few decades) included the religious Right, business interests (though Democrats have caught up there), etc. The Democrats include feminists, LGBTetc., racial minorities, environmentalists, etc. These aren’t perfect coalitions, as Hispanics have a strong minority who support Republicans, etc. And there are disagreements within the factions, such as feminists who get angry about transgender men in women’s sports and such. But for the most part, this is what we have here.

I would love for there to be multiple smaller parties here in the US. I don’t fit well in either party (hence I’m registered with no party affiliation). Socially, I fit better with the Democrats (though I think transgender is nonsense and I’m against things like reparations), and economically I fit better with Republicans (though mostly the libertarian wing of the Republican party). And I’m against militarism (both parties) and couldn’t care less about Israel (again, both parties).

I’d consider voting for RFK Jr, except that he’s too pro-Israel for my taste (which means pro-war even if he claims to be a peace candidate). Maybe I’ll just stay home this year.

Ginko Biloba
Ginko Biloba
2 years ago

Have the Republicans opened a branch office in Germany? Can’t get more pro-Putin than what the R’s serve up.

Chris
Chris
2 years ago
Reply to  Ginko Biloba

I try to avoid posting online when I’ve been drinking. You should try it.

Rinky Stingpiece
Rinky Stingpiece
2 years ago

It’s the people versus the establishment… Trump, Farage, Le Pen, Wilders, Orban, AfD, Law & Justice, (and supposedly Meloni) etc… are the anti-establishment options for people to go for… the trend is clear that “woke”, “green”, “Ukrain”, “Covid” “pro-illegal-mass-immigration” establishment is the enemy of the people, and they’re starting to see that in numbers. When economics turns south, even the “none of the above” and “independent/swing-voters” start to lose patience with the establishment.

Vogelfrei
Vogelfrei
2 years ago

Hopefully… Other possibilities:1. A civil war. 2. The Islamic Republic of Germany.

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago

“..Trump, Farage, Le Pen, Wilders, Orban, AfD, Law & Justice, (and supposedly Meloni) etc… are the anti-establishment options for people to go for…”

Because “anti-establishment” is the arbitrary branding which The Establishment reckons that, at this moment, make those particular Establishment clowns the easiest to sell to the always reliable gullible captive indoctrinati.

And the indoctrinati; true to form, laps it up. Uncritically. Always reliably stupid enough to fall for the nonsense that shifting a few pennies to the dollar; from one reliably Establishment Fed Welfare Queen, to another one with a different hairdo; is somehow, magically, an Act of “Anti Establishment.” Since that is, after all, what the Establishment Man on their TeeVee is telling them.

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Kwags
Kwags
2 years ago

I don’t understand why they have so many parties. A democratic system encourages two parties, because having more splits the vote and helps your opponents. For example, if the Republican Party split into two parties, they would each be smaller and the Democrats would easily win.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Kwags

In the US the winner in an election is the one who gets the most votes and not necessarily the one who gets over 50%. Bill Clinton won with only 42% of the votes because Ross Perot ran as an independent. This encourages the parties to be big tent parties who contain different tendencies. The British system is the same way but many democratic countries use a runoff election like in France or even have proportional representation which encourages many different but highly-focused ones. After the election they have to build coalitions which are often highly unstable.

Rinky Stingpiece
Rinky Stingpiece
2 years ago
Reply to  Kwags

Even supposedly 2-party systems are full of factions, all those parties are just formalised factions.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

But those factions have to work together to get into office. That is the difference. Big tent vs Little Tent.

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
2 years ago
Reply to  Kwags

The Presidential Election in the US, not democracy, encourages a two party system. There is clearly an opening for a third party to start making inroads at the state and local levels. A person forming a third party who is just slightly right of progressive should in theory be able to get most of the democrat vote and enough independent votes either to win or prevent Progressives from winning.

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago
Reply to  Kwags

“A democratic system encourages two parties.”

Only US/UK style single-delegate-per-district democracies do.

Places like Israel, India and Italy (something to do with countries starting with I perhaps…..); are at the opposite end: Each party gets to send representatives to the national assembly, in proportion to how many votes they receive nationally. Such that, assuming Italy’s assembly has 400 representatives: As long as the Porn party gets .25 percent, they’re in! Then it’s up to which parties can put together a coalition totaling enough of the various minipartys to form a semi-reliable government.

Most countries have a mix: Most delegates elected from single-delegate districts; but still a sizable share by nationwide, or I suppose possibly regionwide, proportional representation. In order to not effectively disenfranchise half the population, 49.9% of the vote, just because those 49.9% happened to be evenly distributed across all districts. It makes lots of sense: Potentially many more views that the same, stale, trite D vs R views get to be heard on each issue. Yet at the same time, there is a bias towards parties large enough to form more stable governments. In a way minimizing the problems inherent to both the US way, and the “I-country” way.

(I may be slightly exaggerating how extreme those I-countries’ delegate allocation procedures are…. I think they may even have tried cleaning things up a bit recently…. But the general idea is there. And, predictably, those countries are still a spaghetti of miniparties in more or less stable coalitions.)

Jim4117
Jim4117
2 years ago

Germany gave sanctuary to Lenin before the Russian Revolution.

Rinky Stingpiece
Rinky Stingpiece
2 years ago
Reply to  Jim4117

Marx spoke German, and you can’s spell Germany without Any Germ… QED.

rjd1955
rjd1955
2 years ago

Karl Marx was German.

David Olson
David Olson
2 years ago
Reply to  Jim4117

Not so. Lenin was living in Switzerland before the Revolution. Germany saw something good for them, and facilitated Lenin’s trip across Germany, Sweden and Finland-then-part-of-Russia back to Russia.

Jim4117
Jim4117
2 years ago
Reply to  Jim4117

Germany doesn’t suffer from a knee-jerk reaction to the words “Russian, Marxist, socialist, and communism” like Americans, yet we’re the ones who invaded Russia to put down the Bolsheviks after their revolution in 1917. If anyone has a justification to be paranoid, it’s the Russians of the Americans. Not the other way around.

Toutatis
Toutatis
2 years ago

I think that the main factor in the future evolution of political forces in Western European countries is the ongoing collapse, in all areas, economy, insecurity, massive and uncontrolled immigration. Media propaganda is finding it more and more difficult to control the minds of the population; it is becoming difficult to hide reality. I always thought that we would have to fall very low for the population to turn away from suicidal policies. Unfortunately this fall is in progress.
I think that something similar happens in the US, but that there are more important healthy forces there.

Maximus Minimus
Maximus Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  Toutatis

May Charles Martel come back.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago

Looking at the numbers in money and munitions, support for Ukraine from European Nato members doesn’t seem to be decreasing but increasing. That most comes from Europe now is right and good since the problem is in their backyard. That the US has a bit of a pause is not surprising considering it is tied up with the border question. Eventually it will be resolved.
The Germain political situation is often confusing to Americans because they are not used to having 15 different political parties all jockeying for influence. The Greens look to be becoming unpopular but hardly anyone there wants the Russians in. The rearmament of Germany is well on its way in spirit and in material. I would call that the worst policy failure of Putin. Russia needed above all a pacifist Germany but what they got was the opposite. Macron is matching the Germans so as not to be left behind.

Dubronik
Dubronik
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

Yes…We need Germany to re-arm. A good alternative to Russian Mobsters..

Cees from the Netherlands
Cees from the Netherlands
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

You are talking BS.Everywhere in Europe there are anti government protests, also anti Nato, anti establisment, but there is also rising pro russian movements going on, also in the Netherlands. We have had enough of policies dictated bij the unelected EU, and WEF of Klaus Schwab and to be honest, i can tell of my own experiances that I was very pro USA during the 70s and 80s. That changes over time and largely since a year of 10 i have become to “hate” America and the USA in particular, because of their worldwide policies and brutal force and unjustified military actions and contempt of international law. Not so because of Trump, although he was arrogant and stupid and did many wrong things, but mostly of your so beloved democratic presidents, with Biden on top of that.I hope you understand that things are changing dramaticly in Europe; to say it straight away.. We don’t see you and your people as liberators anymore, but as a bunch of unreserved stupid people who are not hindered by any knowledge of the matter, causing a lot of problems in the end. At the moment the society in the Netherlands is becoming more and more extremely divided over so many issues, the last days prominent people are warning for civil war in the Netherlands. And the Netherlands is not unique; also in Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, Sweden the same situations occur. If the economy turns down heavyly in the coming months, the potential of a civil war is rising. This is also the case in the USA to some extend. Historicly if a house is divided it cannot stand; We in Europa are merely a shadow of our former power and strength. Honestly we make no change of winning against Russia.
Reading your posts, i recognized that you are totally ill-informed about what’s really going on in Ukraine; May be it might be a surprise to you that already 1,2 million people, mostly man of Ukraine have lost their lifes, against only about 50.000 Russians;here the link to a antiputin website which counts the russians deaths: https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
if you are thinking that Ukraine and Nato is winning; you are totally brainwashed by the media. I speak regularly people we visit Ukraine and their family, they are saying that everything our western media and NATO says is a total lie! How many nato officiers from US, canada Australia the last months are killed by the kinzhal rockets in pinpoint strikes is unbelieveble, some even 20 meters underground in an heavy fortified bunker. If you hear of some military commander or chief who died on a plane or a helicopter flight in US of Australia, that’s a coverup to keep the people distracted and away from the truth which in fact is that these persons actually died in Ukraine bij Russian attacks. The situation in the Middle East and the Pacific is turning from bad to worse on many fronts. If they (Russia, North Korea China, Cuba and Iran) join forces, especially when the USA is becoming divided on many issues and there will be some kind of civil war and terror attack due immigrated terror cells, the complete west dont stand any change of survival. Make no mistake, in the coming world war, many cities in the US will be totally annihilated, together with the complete nato army, because you have no idea what you are dealing with! i am totally not pro russian, but i guess you need a 180 in your head

bow
bow
2 years ago

So I guess Putin is winning but just dragging out the war for our benefit? If the Russian army was as powerful as you think it is, they would have taken over Ukraine a year or more ago.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  bow

It’s all a part of his Plan. He plays 3-D Chess and is by far the smartest man on Earth. He also has alien tech.

Vogelfrei
Vogelfrei
2 years ago
Reply to  bow

In the days when Germany reunited (1989) I visited the Brocken, a mountain very close to the border East-/West-Germany. On top was a unity of the Soviet Red Army stationed (which had to scan the communication of the NATO- troops in Europe). This soldiers had placed hand-written papers at the door of their barrack on which they begged for some coins. So scary is this army… But: They defeated Napoleon and they defeated Hitler and they will never be defeated by the NATO, because they are able (and willing) to suffer more than you can imagine. And Europe will be a nuclear hell when they will feel threatened. Why are you Americans so sure, that your cities will not be a nuclear hell too in this case? The Russians fear YOU, not their neighbours in Europe.

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Vogelfrei
Vogelfrei
2 years ago

AfD is not Anti-NATO, but they say, that NATO should be a only a DEFENCE-Organisation. And – why should Germany stay in the NATO, after the biggest NATO-Member has destroyed the very importent gas-pipeline in the Baltic Sea? It seems that the US is not a friend.

Rinky Stingpiece
Rinky Stingpiece
2 years ago
Reply to  Vogelfrei

True, AfD is just anti-establishment, and of course the establishment goes into full smear mode – playing the man, not the ball. What happens when the establishment bans half the voters from voting for what they want?! Surely it becomes a failed state!

David Olson
David Olson
2 years ago
Reply to  Vogelfrei

Unknown who destroyed the Nord-Stream pipeline. The leading recent theory is that it was Ukraine’s covert operations that did it.

But yes, NATO should have been rebalanced two or more decades ago, with a smaller role in it for the USA.

Vogelfrei
Vogelfrei
2 years ago
Reply to  David Olson

Biden said, they could do and they will do it. And so it is reasonable to think they did it. This area of the Baltic Sea is highly controlled by NATO, Ukrainia would not be able for such an operation there.

Dubronik
Dubronik
2 years ago
Reply to  Vogelfrei

We need the Germans to growth some cojones and began to stand up to the crappy Russians.

Vogelfrei
Vogelfrei
2 years ago
Reply to  Dubronik

Are they crappy? What would you do, if Russia say, they want the Russian Army in Mexico, to protect Mexico against the USA? Germany is not even able to protect its border aigainst some camel drivers.

KGB
KGB
2 years ago
Reply to  Dubronik

Germans left their best barrel of semen on the Russian front.

KGB
KGB
2 years ago
Reply to  Vogelfrei

US Navy has a six man nuclear submarine.

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago
Reply to  Vogelfrei

“Ukrainia would not be able for such an operation there.”

Darn near anyone with access to commonly available explosives, and some knowledge and planning, could have done that.

And still can. Biggest difference being: Now they can’t do it undetected, Since such pipelines are now much more closely watched.

Pipelines are far, far to long; and far, far too fragile; for there to be any possibility of guarding them against damage by anyone with even modest resources. Especially where they lay across such comparatively shallow water. Ships occasionally damage them even without intending to, just by dragging anchor. Absolutely nothing would prevent a ship from dragging on purpose; nor from packing their anchor with explosives. These days: They just can’t get away with it so easily.

But back then, it seems noone was aware of the immediacy of the risk. It’s quite a blunder by both Russian and German; and possibly NATO unless they know more than they’re admitting; intelligence. In particular, the Russians should have kept a closer look. Those scrappy Ukranians probably pulled a very fast one on them; the Russians know it; but just can’t prove it, since they were caught asleep.

Vogelfrei
Vogelfrei
2 years ago
Reply to  Stuki Moi

Have a look at the map: The attack happenend very close to the Danish and to the Swedish Coast. Russian Navy heading to the Atlantic have to pass this area and they are strictly observed by NATO. In the air very often Russian bombers provocate the NATO by flying to the west. Russian Submarines operates habituel there, sometimes they sneak off into swedish harbours. And for that reason nothing can happen there, that ist not observed by the NATO. One pipeline was destroyed at a length of 250 m! German officals say that this needed 500 kg TNT, because the pipelines where armed with a jacket of heavy concrete.

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allan
allan
2 years ago
Reply to  David Olson

I think it is blatantly obvious that it was the US. Biden is on record saying they would do it, the report by Seymour Hersh indicates that, and its a very complex operation requiring material and physical resources that Ukraine likely doesn’t have. Occam’s razor applies.

Maximus Minimus
Maximus Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  Vogelfrei

The US does what suits it. The fact that Olaf and Annabella didn’t make a big stink about it is collusion.
The obfuscation psyop is likely tightly coordinated.

Vogelfrei
Vogelfrei
2 years ago

Yes. But: Whats the interest of Germany? Germany needs Russian energy and commodities. Whats the interest of Russia? That German industry is developing this giant country. Only alternative: The Chinese does that and after it, Russia will belong to China. Whats the interest of USA? Brezinski gave the answer.

Maximus Minimus
Maximus Minimus
2 years ago
Reply to  Vogelfrei

The biggest fukkery of the Eurotrash, Russia turning her back to Europe, and towards China.

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Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Vogelfrei

Germany is doing without Russian energy very well now. It doesn’t need it because you can find it elsewhere. That argument sailed with the last ship and no one uses it anymore because it is has been proven wrong.

Vogelfrei
Vogelfrei
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

The truth is: German economy has broken down right now, the big companies relocates the production into other countries (in Eastern Europe, very often China), many people will loose their jobs. Brief yourself about whats happening with BASF, a leading chemical company with 111.000 employees. BASF relocates to China now, because American LPG is much too expensive to substitute Russian pipeline gas. Same picture in metal-industry and many others. The German car-industry escapes to China, but the Chinese have build their own car-industry in the last years… Many people in Germany can`t heat their homes any more, because gas is too expensive now.

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
2 years ago
Reply to  Vogelfrei

Industry was already reeling badly, as a result of the idiot policies of the ECB post 2008 making German production costly.

To, on top of that, be slapped with a massive spike in energy costs, makes it almost entirely prohibitive to continue producing in Germany.

Trying to save what little they can, is no small part of why Germany is now also joining the long-since failed Anglo states and Russia in desperately attempting to militarize everything everywhere: NATO contracts are increasingly the only contracts German industry can anymore competitively bid on.

FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

just for your knowledge : France and Belgium imported record numbers of Russian LNG ….lol !

RoyS
RoyS
2 years ago
Reply to  Vogelfrei

“It seems the US is not a friend.” Put in context of this article, the political factions in the US are not Germany’s friends, much like the political factions in Germany are not Germany’s friends either. I believe that we, in what is known as the Western world have lost control of our governments. I’m in the US. I don’t know of anyone who voted for Victoria Nuland to stir up trouble between Russia and Ukraine. (She is an unelected bureaucrat in the US State Department.) Did anyone in Germany vote for this mess? Thus we see the rise of anti-establishment parties/factions/coalitions.

As for bow’s comment above, the kill ratio in the Ukraine war is at least 5 to 7 Ukrainian soldiers to every Russian soldier. Why would they want to change that just to accelerate their victory? That would be foolish. The Russians are and will continue to win this war. The US has bankrupted itself. (I didn’t vote for that.) Germany, by aligning with the stupid sanctions, has bankrupted and de-industrialized itself. Russia didn’t do that. Your own bureaucrats did that. How many Germans voted for that?

NATO should have been dissolved when the Soviet Union collapsed. But as Ronald Reagan is quoted: “There is nothing so permanent as a temporary government program.” It is a bureaucracy with a life of its own. When the original purpose for the organization disappears, you just create a new purpose and continue on. Does that really make sense? Especially for a multi-national government organization?

That’s where we are folks. The war mongers are bankrupting everyone. Various parasites seeing the distress people are under will form new parties. Do any of them actually understand the situation and have the general population’s best interests in their hearts? And how do you know?

Vogelfrei
Vogelfrei
2 years ago
Reply to  RoyS

I agree with you. And I think that parties are not the solution, they are the problem. Is there a solution? Maybe direct demoracy with popular votes, see switzerland. Best is maybe a minimal state, where people make their own decisions.

Doug78
Doug78
2 years ago
Reply to  Vogelfrei

I suppose you think Russia is Europe’s friend?

Vogelfrei
Vogelfrei
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

Nations don`t have friends, they have interests. Russian and German interests are complementary. Your leaders know this for a longg time and they fear that.

FromBrussels
FromBrussels
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug78

Why would Russia be Europe’s enemy ? Because of a corrupt to the bone nation called, Whorekraine ?!

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