Some blame the Public. Trump blames manipulation.
The Unresponsive Public
Wall Street Journal writer Paul Kiernan says An Unresponsive Public Is Undermining Government Economic Data
Jobs revisions that led Trump to fire head of statistics agency are due to falling survey-response rates.
Falling survey participation is an important reason the flagship jobs report released every month by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, part of the Labor Department, has undergone such big revisions recently.
This has rippled into the political sphere. On Aug. 1, President Trump fired BLS Commissioner Erika McEntarfer after a particularly large downward revision to jobs for May and June that owed partly to late responses from survey participants.
The White House and top administration officials increased their attacks on the BLS last week after the agency published an annual revision suggesting the U.S. added 911,000 fewer jobs over the 12 months through March. The BLS blamed the initial overestimate partly on response rates.
One hypothesis is known as survey fatigue: People are being asked to answer too many questionnaires. Jonathan Eggleston, a senior economist at the U.S. Census Bureau, found in a 2024 study that recent participants in that agency’s monthly and annual surveys, which are voluntary, were less likely to answer the 2020 census by mail, phone or online, without a knock on the door.
Another is the rise of cellphones with caller ID. In the days of landlines, people had to pick up the phone to know who was calling. These days, many decline to answer callers they don’t recognize.
BLS seeks to recruit about 70,000 new establishments each year. Since mid-2015, the share that agree to participate has fallen to 35% from 78%.
The share of survey participants that respond in time for the jobs report each month has fallen from an average of 74% from 2010-19 to 57% in August. Many respond by the second or third month, leading to large, and growing, revisions.
There are other hurdles to improving data quality, such as resources. Adjusted for inflation, the BLS’s budget has shrunk 13% since 2016. Trump has requested an 8% reduction in the BLS’s budget and head count for the coming fiscal year. In March, he disbanded a pair of unpaid expert committees that advised the agency on how to optimize its processes.
QCEW, BED, CES (Nonfarm Payrolls)

Response Rate Math
The CES has a response rate of 42 percent. But 42 percent of 631,000 sites surveyed is only 265,000 out of 12.2 million establishments. That’s an overall collection rate of just 2.17 percent.
But is that the problem or just a tiny slice of it?
The BLS surveys surveys suffer from sampling errors, sampling bias, nonresponse errors, and poor birth-death models to estimate jobs it presumes are being created in a healthy economy.
Larger firms are more likely to have someone handle the surveys. Businesses that are struggling don’t have time for survey nonsense.
Are the small-medium-large business sampling size weights correct?
The birth-death model is wrong at economic turns. And we have seen clear birth-death errors
In contrast, the Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages (QCEW) report constitutes 95 percent of the data. But the delay is large.
Why Does it Take Six Months to Accumulate a Quarter?
Timeline Breakdown
- 0 Months (Quarter Ends): The reference quarter (e.g., Q1: January–March) ends.
- 1–2 Months: Data Submission – Employers submit quarterly unemployment insurance tax reports (e.g., state-specific forms like DE 9/DE 9C) to state workforce agencies, typically due 30 days after quarter-end. Late submissions and incomplete data extend this period.
- 2–3 Months: Aggregation and Initial Processing – State agencies compile data and send it to the BLS. BLS integrates state data with federal employee records (UCFE), standardizing formats and performing initial quality checks.
- 3–5 Months: Review, Editing, and Validation – BLS conducts detailed data cleaning, corrects errors (e.g., mismatched employment counts), imputes missing data, and cross-validates with other sources for accuracy across national, state, county, and industry levels (6-digit NAICS codes).
- 4–5 Months (Ongoing): Confidentiality and Suppression – BLS applies statistical methods to suppress ~60% of county-level private-sector data to protect employer privacy, requiring legal and statistical reviews.
- 5–6 Months: Final Tabulation and Release – Data is aggregated, benchmarked (e.g., to revise CES estimates), and formatted for public release via press releases, databases, and files. For example, Q1 2025 data was released in September 2025.
For context, Q1 2025 data was released in September 2025.
Timely Garbage
The monthly response rate for the Job Openings and Labor Turnover (JOLTS) survey is a mere 35 percent. Does anyone believe those results?
The problem is not response rate speed. Faster garbage is still garbage.
Those following QCEW data knew major revisions were coming. Yet, the spotlight is on monthly reports.
Data Dependent Fed
The allegedly data dependent Fed is dependent on garbage.
This happens in two directions, not just one.
Nonfarm Payrolls Gone Haywire

Following the Covid recession, the BLS consistently underestimated jobs for months. Now, it’s the opposite.
In July of 2021, the BLS reported a year-over-year change of 7.5 million jobs. QCEW reported 8.7 million jobs. The BLS was low by 1.2 million jobs.
For March of 2025, the BLS reports a year-over-year change of 1.79 million jobs. QCEW reports 675,000 jobs. The BLS is now high by 1.115 million jobs.
Birth-Death Model Errors
If the problem is response rates, why is the period from 2022 to 2024 reasonable?
This points to serious flaws in the BLS Birth-Death model (the birth and death of businesses not individuals).
The birth-death model is what the BLS uses to estimate the number of jobs created by the birth and death of businesses.
The Birth-Death model is based on the BED (Business Employment Dynamics), a huge subset of QCEW.
Note the delay in BED is 6-7 months the same a QCEW.
BLS Recognition of Birth-Death Errors
Please consider CES Birth-Death Model Frequently Asked Questions (see question 9)
Since the 2020 benchmark, CES estimates have been subject to persistent and relatively large birth-death forecast errors. To help address these forecasting issues, BLS modified the model-based component of birth-death by incorporating current sample information to inform the forecasts starting with the 2024 benchmark released with the January 2025 Employment Situation. This modification was only applied from April to October 2024, known as the post-benchmark period. November 2024, December 2024, and January 2025, as well as future monthly estimates, use birth-death components calculated without this modification.
BLS releases the Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages (QCEW) monthly employment data on a quarterly basis 6 to 9 months after a given collection month. During current month birth-death processing, the forecasted portion of the birth-death model uses inputs derived from comparing the following:
- the QCEW-based employment data including business openings and closings
- the same QCEW data excluding the birth units and imputing monthly values to the death units
The difference between these two QCEW-based monthly values is the net of births and deaths. Finally, BLS creates an over-the-month change from this series, and those monthly values become the inputs to an ARIMA time series model used to create forecasts up to and including the current month.
Although the QCEW data are not available until 6 to 9 months after a given month’s reference period, the sample-based ratio of employment changes is available as soon as the monthly reference period is over. Thus, the relationship between the WLR and the QCEW-based birth-death inputs can be modeled using historical data and predicted for more recent months using the sample-based ratio. This adjustment makes the total net birth-death forecasts more accurate during both relatively stable time periods and during more volatile shifts in trend.
BLS found the modeling and forecasting to be more accurate when performed directly at the major industry sector level rather than at the detailed industry level and aggregated to total nonfarm. Therefore, forecasts were calculated at this level and raked down to detailed industries proportional to their forecast error variances. The ARIMA-based birth-death forecasts are still calculated at the detailed industry level and serve as the basis for forecasts at that level prior to raking.
This adjustment to the net birth-death forecasts was only applied to the post-benchmark months (April to October 2024). Currently, BLS will not use this method outside of the post-benchmark period as there is not sufficient time during the monthly estimation period to incorporate the additional processing needed to use this method in the current month’s estimates. However, BLS plans to continue research on the net birth-death model, including alternative models, in hopes of overcoming the operational limitations of using this adjustment in real-time estimation. However, the expected benefits in accuracy for the post-benchmark period were substantial and warranted using this approach during that period.
Three Issue Synopsis
- The monthly jobs reports are heavily influenced by QCEW and BED which is on a 6-9 month lag.
- The small sample sizes of the nonfarm payroll surveys exaggerate sampling errors, sampling bias, and nonresponse errors.
- At economic turns, the Birth-Death model is known to be flawed.
Better response rates will not fix these issues. But hey, let’s blame the public.
Meanwhile, Trump claims the BLS is doing all of this on purpose.
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Hegseth order 800 generals and admirals, from brigadier general and up, to gather in VA, from the US and overseas, to restructure our forces and cut their number, on the cusp of gov shutdown.
I have have a possible solution to the Q lag. Can’t they just throw AI into it somehow?
I’m sure it will solve everything
The allegedly data dependent Fed is dependent on garbage.
AND with their projections of the economy, simplistic garbage economic theory which is used to create simplistic garbage economic modelling software fed with insufficiently granular, inaccurate data often manipulated for political reasons, like CPI. So, it’s garbage cubed = garbage product.
Falling survey participation is an important reason the flagship jobs report released every month by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, part of the Labor Department, has undergone such big revisions recently.
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solution is simple!!
STOP PUBLISHING EACH MONTH.
NOTHING serious happens to USA economy on month 2 moth basis!
if someone wants this data more frequent do it yourself, pay from own pocket!
and 2d , make it simple.
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each qrt USA corps publish how may workers work 8 hours a day, 5 days per week!
that is it. just raw numbers.
and later check those figures against IRS records.
as far as i know no-one dares to fu11ck w/ IRS
alx
Don’t change anything bc the frog cooking, these slow changes, will end soon.
97 gold coins, 1,400 years old, half and 1/3 gold coins, gold earrings, were discovered in Susita, a Christian city above Jewish Tiberias, high above the Sea of Galilee, Israel.
it was my dad who buried !!.. bastard..
:))
Your dad buried it bc the Iranian empire conquered the Byzantine empire in 600 AC and burnt Susita 7 churches.
The Byzantine Empire ended in 1453 AD.
The Iranian (Sassanian) empire competed with the Byzantine empire.
They conquered Israel and Egypt, but in 651AC they were defeated by Islamic forces.
So what?
The Ayatollah attempt to rejuvenate the Sassanian Empire 224AC-650AC failed.
Gross SS receipts correlated to an SS number should directly quantify both the aggregate numbers of workers and how much they earned on a weekly, bi-weekly and monthly basis..
To me the real question is: How are they missing this method of data collection and not reporting it?
Sending out voluntary surveys is disingenuous from the get go…
There is a lot of data sioling in government. The SS is always worried about showing SS data to others and getting hacked.
I say that most every person’s data is somewhere out on the web by now and there is no such thing as privacy any longer.
Using SS data sounds like a good idea.
See what makes this funny from an infosec standpoint is that SS is already deeply compromised. Even without DOGE letting the floodgates open, SS# are basically the first thing that gets stolen from you now. Pretty much every social number has been stolen at this point but they refuse to change the system to something more secure than “9 digit number on a piece of paper anyone with a printer could fake”. Because that would take work and our nation’s government doesn’t do such frivolous things.
EXACTLY!
Maybe just wait till you have accurate numbers to release
Accurate is unlikely, no matter how long you wait. But let’s say that “accurate” means waiting 2-3 years. By then, the data is too old to be useful anyway.
In the 1800s, the US did a census every 10 years. The time and effort needed to complete the census was long. The 1880 census was not completed before the 1890 census began. So it was way out of date to be useful.
Which inspired Herman Hollerith to invent a data tabulating machine that used punched cards to analyze the results of the 1890 census within a year. The Hollerith Tabulating Company became IBM.
As a member of the public, I just want to say:
I did it! I’m glad I did it! I’ll do it again!
Thank you for your attention to this matter
I dont know how much longer we can handle all this winning
Germany’s ambassador to India made a pitch for skilled Indians to come to his country, taking an indirect jab at the United States over its crackdown on skilled foreign workers.
https://x.com/AmbAckermann/status/1970450472642482473
Sure, I’m confident that will make Germany’s unions happy.
… Do you think they’re importing rail and dock workers?
So what is your recipe for fixing the problem? Or at least bringing the stats into better and more timely compliance with reality?
Trump wants 6 month corporate reporting. I want 3 month rolling averages to smooth out the numbers.
It should not take 7 months to verify QCEW
And we have payroll tax receipts.
Somewhere there is something better and more timely
Exactly! I’m no expert, but we can all tell the BLS is broken.
I certainly hope the new guy starts to implements better & more timely.
it was built to be broken,., dems did that! to manipulate numbers..
to influence voting
stupids REPS allowed all this sh11it
Doesn’t answer the question!
It’s easy to say “we should” or “we need” or “we want” but desires and wishes don’t change anything. People do this all the time. Just look at the BS with declaring the State of Palestine. This is a wish that has zero chance of coming true within the political constraints of the current situation.
What is needed are reasonable (within the constraints of the data collection capabilities and system sophistication that we presently have) and is actionable, such that the changes can be made within the scope of existing hardware and other resources.
Companies withhold money from nearly all employees every pay period, and send that money to the IRS. Some of that money is specifically for Social Security, so the data being submitted includes SSNs.
It should not take a lot of effort for the IRS to simply count up and report the number of unique SSNs that had payroll withholding each pay period. They already have the data.
Agreed. Even if the data would be incomplete because black market jobs aren’t counted (I’m not sure if they are or aren’t counted by BLS), any trend this data shows would still be relevant.
in this case where all those phds from bls would work??
95% of all federal workers are dems.
The Social Security Administration has enough information to paint an accurate labor picture, but is being held back.
SS never has enough people and they have a lot less now! As with all of our government, they run old mainframe computers with the underlying system probably written in COBOL.
> the underlying system probably written in COBOL.
Palantir, supposedly, is coming to the “rescue.” Whoever has the apex predator statistics-spyglass then will be in the driver’s seat.
Except they’re not a company who really does that kind of stuff so they’ll screw it up laughably bad. If not just because their CEO is a nut who thinks he’s literally Jesus. Definitely the kind of guy I would hire to mess with SS! Shows a lot of initiative.
I find it funny that one reason given is that with ‘caller-ID’ being prevalent, people won’t answer the phone unless they know who the caller might be. I think in this instance, if the people know that the government is calling, they decline to answer the phone. I know I would.
I received that detailed Census American community survey a few months ago. I refuse to fill it out.
Most of the information they can already get in other ways and I’m not going to reveal anything more about myself they don’t already know. Especially when they computerize all the data and let people like Musk get their hands on it.
I disconnected my doorbell in case they tried to visit me in person, but I think Trump’s cutbacks in the Census bureau worked in my favor. One of the few things he’s done that has helped me.
A couple years ago, CA state sent by some youths to survey my household. They offered me $10 to respond. They were really persistent (spending a lot in salaries I reckon), but I declined. I reckoned it had something to do with the Stalinist housing projects they are funding, to decimate the character of my community.
Hello, this is ICE. Please step outside so we do not have to break your door down.
People don’t answer the phone unless they know who the caller might be whether it’s the government or anybody else.