Trump sent JD Vance to Hungary to help Victor Orbán. It backfired. But Orbán may not go quietly. There’s a possible court battle.
Trump Ready to Help
My gosh how Trump would respond if other nations got involved in the US this way.
Vice President JD Vance Delivers Remarks in Budapest, Hungary
On April 7, the White House announced Vice President JD Vance Delivers Remarks in Budapest, Hungary
When all of Europe despises you, how can you not understand such a stunt would backfire.
Bill Mahr Comments
“Vance went over there to prop him up and propped him down.”
OK will Trump blame Vance?
Historic Vote – Election Underway
Euronews reports Voting just started.
Hungarians began voting on Sunday in what is seen as the country’s most consequential election in decades, closely watched across Europe, the US and Russia as the ramifications for the European Union to Vladimir Putin are many.
Orbán, who has governed with a parliamentary supermajority since 2010, faces the most significant challenge of his political career under former ally Péter Magyar.
“Orbán has consistently won by large margins, largely due to a fragmented opposition,” political analyst Szabolcs Dull told Euronews ahead of the vote. “This is the first election with genuine stakes, as he now faces a single challenger who, according to polling, is capable of winning.”
The vote is being closely followed in Brussels and other European capitals. Orbán’s government has long been at odds with the European Union, frequently using its veto powers.
In March, Hungary blocked a €90 billion EU loan package for Ukraine amid a dispute over the Druzhba pipeline, drawing criticism from several member states. Orbán has also maintained close ties with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Orbán has received backing from several prominent figures on the international right, including former US President Donald Trump. US Vice President JD Vance travelled to Budapest during the campaign, alongside appearances by France’s Marine Le Pen and Italy’s Matteo Salvini.
How the Vote Works
Polling stations opened at 06:00 and are due to close at 19:00. Hungary operates a single-round electoral system, with the party or coalition securing the most seats invited to form a government.
Of the 199 parliamentary seats, 106 are elected in individual constituencies, while the remaining 93 are allocated through party lists. Hungarian citizens living abroad are also eligible to vote.
Preliminary results are expected later in the evening, with official results anticipated around midnight.
Premature Celebration?
There is one potential huge problem with premature celebration.
Orban currently has big enough majorities to change the Constitution.
Eurointelligence Explains
So what if Magyar were to win? Let us assume the most extreme scenario that Magyar’s Tisza party were to win a two-thirds majority, which would be sufficient to change the constitution. Even in that case, Orbán might still hang on to power for a long time.
As the legal scholar Peter Techet writes in FAZ, Orbán could choose a lengthy legal procedure to frustrate the formation of a new government. Like Trump in 2020, he could challenge the result in the highest court, the Kúria, and then take the case to the constitutional court, claiming a violation of fundamental rights. The legal process could end up taking several months, before the final vote has been formally validated.
Another possibility is that the old parliament, in which Orbán’s Fidesz has a two-thirds majority, would use the remaining 30-days after the vote to change the constitution. That is legally possible in Hungary. This would be similar to what happened in Germany last year after the elections when the outgoing parliament change the fiscal rules to prevent a veto by the AfD. If Magyar were to win a two-thirds majority, the outgoing two-thirds majority could change the goalposts for a constitutional change by raising the bar to whichever level Magyar has achieved. It could also widen the competence of the constitutional court, which is staffed with Orbán appointees. Magyar might in this case stage a mini-revolution, by declaring the existing political order to be illegitimate, and govern without a constitutional mandate.
One political solution would be an arrangement where Magyar becomes PM, and Orbán continues to pull the strings in the background. But whatever scenario we will find ourselves in on April 13, we should not expect Orbán to go quietly.
Orbán has been the quasi-dictator with control of the courts that Trump wants to be.
He’s going to lose the election. Trump and Vance did not help Orbán’s cause.
But how quietly will Orbán go?
Meanwhile, over on Russian disinformation channel ZeroHedge, no blogs newer than this article mentioning Orban’s loss.
Orban’s sins [all against the liberal globalist European Council]
As to corruption, compare to who? Hardly more corrupt than Ursula vd Leyen.
And the courts? That’s all about activist judges promoting gay causes in media and education.
He is nothing like a dictator, but has enjoyed clear majority mandates, treue.
He got profoundly sodomized in the election because basically the opposite of what you said is true.
He got wrecked, seriously.
Huh? Everything Webej said is true. Hungary just decided to go a different way – to fall in line with the EU program. As Mencken said “democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard”.
Peter is a notorious wife bearer who microwaved the family pet in front of his family, including three boys. He still beat Viktor, cheered by the Epstein Club.
According to well-informed MAGA sources, Peter sold his grandmother to Somali slave traders.
That’s indeed what one would find out from “well informed” MAGA sources.
Rather, Peter was of the same party as Viktor and left it after a scandal about the pardoning of a pedophile protector. Sending an Epstein Club scout, JDV, to campaign for the pedophile stained party of Viktor’s just brought that to the mind of the Hungarian voter, I’d wager.
Looks like JD Vance should be sent to all countries with corrupt autocrats before elections are held.
Probably one of Trump’s greatest achievement’s is to show the world how crazy the far right can be. It seems some parts of the world has forgotten the lessons from Europe of the 1930s and 1940s.
(Before I get too many dislikes. I’m probably going to vote pretty ‘far right’ in my own country elections. I’m sick of woke BS and the centre right here is falling apart. But far right here is not nearly as far right as elsewhere.)
Not wanting your country to be subsumed by a foreign culture makes you “far right”.
Orban has conceded defeat
In many ways, Trump is the best thing that ever happened to mainstream europoliticans.
“Sure, we’re totalitarian, self-serving and undemocratic, but Trump is the alternative if you don’t vote for us!”
I gave you a like. But it is a bit of a laught if you think mainstream Europolitics is “undemocratic”. The US is far less democratic than most western European countries
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/The_Economist_Democracy_Index_2025.svg/1920px-The_Economist_Democracy_Index_2025.svg.png
Without going into the EC, europolitics is basically “corporate imperialist muppet Tweedledee vs corporate imperialist muppet Tweedledum”.
Much the same could be said about the United States, BTW.
So, who elected Ursula von der Leyen?
Clearly this is foreign interference.
Orban can take court action if he lose election.
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Left speechless!
I wrote a post that included citations from a wiki quote, the software here put it into purgatory as it often does when you include a link. So I copied the post content, deleted it by replacing all the text with a period, and reposted the content without the links, but that one got put into moderation too. And then they published only the one with the period, not the one with the actual content. So… No one will ever know what I had to say, and frankly who cares, nothing that happens here actually matters.
I get it. Frustrating as hell when you make a big effort and spend a lot of time to post something intelligent only for it to get dropped. Or worse, just summarily rejected by the crew it was intended for, cause they “ain’t changin’ ther minds nohow!”.
I’m loving the very clearly astroturfed posts in this thread. Would anyone like me to illustrate how easy it is to spoof upvotes to prove this point?
Orbán has the chutzpah to want to maintain national sovereignty rather than surrender it to the unelected EU junta. Most Europeon leaders have cut off their own balls and mailed them to Brussels.
balls (+ female equivalents) cut off by Anglo-Zionists in control from Jerusalem+City of London through WEF etc. mediators.
Orban one of the last ones objecting of fusing totally corrupt Ukraine with EU and Nato, making the continent into a single unified shithole as per the Satanists plan.
“EUSSR a burning trash can in a hopeless situtation” – fitting assessment of Prof. Jiang in a recent Glenn Diesen interview.
Kind of like Argentina all over. One thug helping another.
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Reminds me when Obama went to the UK and threatened them if Brexit passed. The polls immediately shifted to Brexit…
And now the UK is begging to get back into the EU after dealing with orange clown.
I’m not, neither is anyone i know.
Looks like they should have listened to him.
What can one expect when you send a boy to do a man’s job?
how many people here in USA or europe know simple fact
THAT Hungary IS ONLY COUNTRY in Europe that does not German or Slavic ,or Nordic roots
they are mostly Finno-Ugric! diff language, etc
basically they were formed during Attila Hun invasion 1500 years ago
who was ruler from Volga river in ancient Russia!
I did.
Not really true. Hungarians are genetically a Slavic people. And it was the Magyar invasion, not the Hunnic invasion that gave them their language. The Magyars were a Finno-Ugric people who adopted the lifestyle of the Turkish tribes on what are now the Russian Steppes having moved south out of the Siberian tundra. They conquered the Slavic peoples who lived in the Hungarian basin. For whatever reason, the vast majority of Slavic people’s adopted the language of their Magyar rulers, much like people did in modern Turkiye and Celtic people adopted the language of the ruling Anglo-Saxons in the modern UK.
their is a.Magyar tribe in Egypt if i recall. I forget how the got there. mercenaries for some army i believe
Finland? Lithuania? Albania? Greece? Italy?
Isn’t Russia European? Moscow is the largest city in Europe.
So what happens to ships that defy the US Navy blockade? US Navy going to start sinking 2 million barrel super tankers?
Serious question.
No, but they may board and seize them like they did with the tankers approaching Venezuela
Yeah, but what would that do? Also, once it’s 10’s and then 100’s of tankers they would be overwhelmed.
Trump is now saying that he will interdict any ship in international waters that has paid Iran to transit the strait. Presumably that means wherever they are in the world and whether the payment took place in the past or future.
Great idea! That should really help drive gas prices up and hand power to the Democrats in the mid-terms!
This is a standard Trump bluff, designed to deter tankers from paying Iran. His goal is to cut off Iran’s revenue.
In theory, the US could take several actions including forcing the ships to return to their origin, or seizing the ship and manning it with a US crew to take it some place followed by asset seizure of the ship and legal action against the owners and crew. But I think this blockade will be mostly a “paper blockade” meaning that whatever slim chance there might have been to obtain maritime insurance at very high rates now vanishes completely because insurance is voided the moment a ship enters a blockaded zone. It is not really the US navy that will do the enforcing, it is the insurers.
Let’s see how China and Russia like having their ships molested. Iran’s nuke fears will look like a joke then.
I’ll tell you what’ll happen, those positioned for profits will make out like bandits!
The chain was yanked mid-negotiations
Netanyahu phoned Vance mid-negotiations and reminded him of “priorities”
Netanyahu wasn’t happy with just 2 Zionists on the US side
Did he show Vance a picture with a bullseye on Vance’s family?
Orbán has been the quasi-dictator with control of the courts that Trump wants to be.
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oh yes! it is not like PEOPLE IN BRUSSEL WHO were not even elected!
it is totally different!
jesus. Mish is sometimes is such a mo11ron!
Mish unconditionally believes sources like the NYT, Wall Street Journal and Washington Post. You know, “reputable” sources. The truth is that there is NO source that can be assumed to be trustworthy. Every story or narrative has to assessed individually in light of internal contradictions, possible biases and influence from malevolent forces (usually the Intel services).
=Orban and israel
I WONDER does Mish even know that Orban one of small number people in Europe WHO SUPPORTS Israel and pro war against iran?
Looks like the Alliance for Propping up Corrupt Autocrats (APCA) is coming out in full force on this site today.
Yup, anytime the content of a post contains references to Russia or Israel, the resident bots and trolls come out of the woodwork.
do you need to post anti- Russian drivel , Mish? W/OUT any single critical thought?
do you remember ‘Russia Russia Russia’ 6 years ago in USA ? or it is already gone ?
Russia sucks, has sucked for centuries, and will suck harder every day it continues to exist.
I wonder, lets say
Orban sues any person who posts this and IN court house
SOMEONE would ask simple question
DO YOU HAVE ANY SINGLE PROOF THAT Putin supports Orban in any material form?
=Europe hates Orban for other reasons, and russia and puint have nothign
todo w/ that
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Orban supports hard immigration laws.
Orban supports strong conservative family values!
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Orban does not support Europe being in war against Russia!
Orban does not support giving blank check to Ukraine!
Orban does not support lgbtq+++!
Orban does not support Brussel, and non elected bureaucrats ruling in Europe!
and on on on
alx
No, Orban does not support conservative family values. Instead, Orban supports forcing other people to live according to his personal values, whether they want to or not. That is the difference between a man who wants an autocracy, and a man who wants liberty.
If Orban doesn’t support Brussels he should GTFO. The UK did. Rightly or wrongly they did so in an awkward but at least noble fashion.
He supports himself and his family/friends. He has been happy to accept EU money. But is also happy to shit on the EU. I suppose it is sort of like Trump and his use of NATO. Happy to continue to use many military bases in NATO countries all the while shitting all over them.
pro-Russian autocrat that he has reached the point of effectively attempting to bribe the entire nation into re-electing said pro-Russian autocrat
Trump urges people in Hungary to “get out and vote” for Kremlin-backed kleptocrat Viktor Orbán.
It’s Trump, Putin, and Orbán vs. the free world.
Bill Maher on Viktor Orban: Russia is campaigning for him to win and we’re campaigning for him. We’re working with Russia?
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do you need to post anti- Russian drivel , Mish? W/OUT any single critical thought?
do you remember ‘Russia Russia Russia’ 6 years ago in USA ? or it is already gone ?
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I wonder, lets Orban sue any person who posts this and IN court house
SOMEONE would ask simple question
DO YOU HAVE ANY SINGLE PROOF THAT Putin supports Orban in any material form?
alx
at war with the rest of the world…
Trump: “Effective immediately, the US Navy, the Finest in the World, will begin the process of BLOCKADING all Ships trying to enter, or leave, the Strait of Hormuz…Additionally & at an appropriate moment, we are fully ‘LOCKED AND LOADED,’ & our Military will finish up little that is left of Iran!”
Only problem is, the navy hasn’t come near Iran in weeks
Maybe they’ll just sink the ships that are let through
Yeah, tough talk….now try it when the markets are open you fat orange fucking retard…this guy, man….I mean, WTF?!!?!!??
Iran should troll him and call the toll a “tariff”….lolz x 2
I think the people will probably want a say in what happens if Orban tries to hold on in spite of clearly losing. It could get ugly.
Breaking news: Trump to block Strait of Hormuz. Lol!
How is blocking the Strait going to make anything better? Now ZERO oil and fertilizer gets through?
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/12/trump-iran-war-strait-of-hormuz.html
Oil prices going to go crazy! Better fill up that F150 fast MAGA morons!
Oh the profits!
Do worry, Trump will find a way to make things even worse.™
How is this putting America first?
Why would the US get involved in this?
Hungary means nothing to the US..
This seems like Putin pulling in more favours from Trump because Putin has something on Trump.
The only other explanation is that Vance went over to get some pointers on election fraud.
Putin is now offering to mediate the Iran war…
Maybe Trump and melanoma are looking for somewhere to retire safely.
Trump and MAGA don’t realize how unpopular they are right now with the typical European voter. There was always a European perception of individual Americans as being uneducated and arrogant. At the same time, American postwar policy vis-a-vis Europe was widely admired, especially in places like Germany. Now, Trump has managed to portray American policy itself as being uneducated and arrogant. Yes, sending a phony politician like JD Vance to Budapest to prop up a corrupt autocrat wasn’t helpful; and it just reinforced the already seriously negative perceptions of America.
Trump and MAGA aren’t real popular with the average American voter right now either.
If Orban loses it will have nothing to do with support from Trump and Vance. Hungarians are tired and they think that it is time for change. Orban is losing the fight in economic arena.
Orban has been right on many things but he is becoming a victim a long steadfast pressure from some Western European countries which want to centralize EU into a federation. Orban has been the main opposition figure in this case.
Agreed. He has been a thorn in Brussels’ side.
So he blocked a Ukraine aid package. And? In doing so he probably delayed the death or injury of tens or hundreds of thousands more Ukrainians. Last figure I saw in the last few days had Ukraine at 1.6M casualties. Completely unnecessary. It was all provoked by the West. From “Toria” Nudleman handing out baked goods and “F*ck the EU” as part of the Maidan “revolution” to the training and arming of the AFU after 2014, the signs were there. Nothing about Russia’s decision to attack in February 2022 constituted aggression on Russia’s part. More like an animal being backed into a corner over 31 years and then deciding to come out with claws and teeth bared.
lol. Dumbest thing I’ll read today. You’re right about the animal part though, Russians are acting like animals.
Yeah, Russia stupidly thought they would win a “Special Military Operation” in 2 weeks.
Four years in, they have yet to take and hold a single major Ukrainian capital, and lost Kherson.
They must have the same definition of Trump for “winning”.
Orban has been right on many things but he is becoming a victim a long steadfast pressure from some Western European countries which want to centralize EU into a federation.
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exactly. and many points more.
read my post above
From start to finish, this article is a collection of the typical ignorant American takes on EUropean politics…
Hungary is the only still quasi-sovereign country in EUrope, Orban enjoys huge popular support (and not only among Hungarians but even among the citizens of other EU countries who see him as an example and a hero).
Orban for the record is neither pro-Russia nor pro-America, he is one of those ever rarer leaders who pursue their country’s national interests. He is pro-Hungary.
Orban is probably going to win not despite or because Trump’s endorsement (which the vast majority of the voters really don’t give a fuck about either way, most people just want to have a good relationship with the US, whatever the administration, for economic reasons), Orban is probably going to win despite huge and deep EUropean election interference and the only risks pre, during and post-election are the usual EUropean dirty tricks which we have recently been seeing (again) in Georgia, Moldavia and Romania. Up to a full blown Maidan event.
This election has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Trump, only delusional, ignorant Americans think so, this election is all about the choice between the dystopian, satanic, globalist EU and a freer, saner, healtier, richer, sovereign future.All of the good people of EUrope are with Orban.
Thank you
What Joe Penny said!
I am a big supporter of Orbán, but many people in Hungary are disappointed that he hasn’t left the European Union like the UK did.
That is what all Hungarians and citizens of other European countries want.
The EU is a fascist institution, and only Putin can help us leave it, thanks to his economic and trade support.
Boom! Nailed it. Well said.
From start to finish, this article is a collection of the typical ignorant American takes on EUropean politics…
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sometimes Mish has tunnel vision. he chooses outsides posts that fit his believes.!
Nonsense, Hungarians overwhelmingly support eu membership.
Nonsense, Hungary joined the EU 22 years ago and what the Orban party wants is not exiting the EU but opposing the barefaced globalist excesses of the last few years. Orban has been in power for 16 years and the open conflict between him and the EU Commission started only in the last few years after the acceleration of all of the EU’s utterly insane policies (after Von der Leyen became President of the EU Commission in 2019).
Anyway, he just lost the election, the globalists have won (and contrary to what Mish was “fearing” nothing happened, he conceded and that was it, we would have had orchestrated violence and chaos only if he won), the last bastion of sanity in the EU has fallen…
Hungarians will now get good and hard all of the benefits of being a EU member in good standing and the EU will accelerate its decent into misery and towards its inevitable implosion…
We could go back and forth forever, or we could just look at the polls. Hungarians overwhelmingly support eu membership. Fact. https://ecfr.eu/article/why-orban-and-hungary-are-not-one-and-the-same/
Yeah, a poll paid for and conducted for the European Council on Foreign Relations… LMAO
Orban has been winning elections back to back for 16 years. That’s your poll.
The reason he finally lost is the heavy EU election interference and ILLEGAL “pressure tactics” (blackmail is the actual word) like withelding, since years, tens of billions of euros which should have gone to Hungary.
Hungarians stupidly gave in and they are now going to pay the price of their stupidity.
One of the first and most important things the EU puppet they elected will do is get Hungary into the Euro and that alone will wreck their country more than anything else and will enslave to the EU any future government.
The last ones to (UNWILLINGLY) join the Euro were the Croatians, January 2023, and the Bulgarians, January 2026. For the Bulgarians is still too early but ask the Croatians how is it going for them…
Trump knows he’s toxic.
As a French partisan of sovereignty, I fully support Orban, the only European leader, along with Slovakia’s Fico, who is fighting for his country’s independence against the dictatorship of the European Union.
We need Frexit, Italexit to start the EU end
I wonder if it will take weeks to count the ballots and if “mail-in” ballots will be accepted for days after election day?
Probably not.
Because it’s 2026, and only a country full of retards would allow such nonsense.
You sound mad. Take it easy, my friend. Go for a walk or something. Why are you mad?
Lolz….curious minds
Why are you not mad?
“It is no measure of mental health to be well-adjusted to a mad world.”
What’s the downside of letting people vote by mail up to and including election day? If I send my ballot a week ahead of time or on election day, what giant difference does it make?
EU to Hungary: “prepare to be assimilated.”
We need Hungarexit
=EU to Hungary: “prepare to be assimilated.”
how many people here in USA or europe know simple fact
THAT Hungary IS ONLY COUNTRY in Europe that does not German or Slavic ,or Nordic roots
they are mostly Finno-Ugric! diff language, etc
basically they were formed during Attila Hun invasion 1500 years ago
who was ruler from Volga river in ancient Russia!