The Implausibility of a Net Zero Carbon Energy Future is Now Obvious

EU Drafts Plan to Allow E-Fuel Combustion Engine Cars

Reuters reports EU Drafts Plan to Allow E-Fuel Combustion Engine Cars

The European Commission has drafted a plan to allow sales of new cars with internal combustion engines after 2035 if they run only on climate neutral e-fuels, as it tries to resolve a spat with Germany over moves to phase out combustion engine cars.

The draft proposal, seen by Reuters on Tuesday, suggests creating a new type of vehicle category in the European Union for cars that can only run on carbon neutral fuels.

Such vehicles would have to use technology that would prevent them from driving if other fuels are used, the draft said.

The proposal could offer a route for carmakers to keep selling combustion engine vehicles after 2035, the date when a planned EU law is set to ban the sale of new CO2-emitting cars.

Preposterous E-Fuel Assumptions

Eurointelligence comments on E-Fuel Assumptions. 

ARD German TV reports on a study by the Potsdam institute for climate impact research, which reveals the utter lack of reality in the German debate about e-fuels. Even in the best-case scenario, Germany will struggle to get enough e-fuels to meet its indispensable demand, from shipping, air transport and the chemical industry. These will all still require liquid hydrocarbons as their energy source. In other words, there won’t be anything left for cars. The whole FDP debate about the exemption for e-fuelled power cars after 2035 is a smoke screen.

The politics of this is that the FDP is trying to arrest its political decline by appealing to rural voters, who are dependent on the motorcar for transport. A recent poll in Germany has shown that around two thirds of the population opposes the end of the fuel-driven car.

E-fuels are based on the extraction of hydrogen from water through a process called electrolysis. In a second stage the hydrogen then combines with carbon dioxide to produce hydrocarbons. The idea is to use green energy for the production of e-fuels, for use by ships and airplanes. The same goes for parts of the chemical industry. Together, they account for 40% of Germany’s total demand for liquid hydrocarbons. The institute’s simulation assumes the relatively optimistic assumption that air transport stays at current levels.

A far more likely scenario is that there won’t be enough e-fuels around even to satisfy the indispensable demand. So far, only 60 production facilities are currently in the pipeline worldwide. Of those, only a small fraction are funded. Even if they all get funded, they will only produce a tiny fraction of what Germany itself demands. The idea that there is enough left for cars is completely unrealistic.

What this is telling us, beyond the petty FDP politics, is that the Germans are fighting tooth and nail to squeeze the last hydrocarbons into their cars, rather than focus on next generation technologies. All for the sake of a couple of percentage points in the polls.

It is the classic losers’ strategy.

Europe Backtracks on Its Gas-Car Ban

The WSJ reports Europe Backtracks on Its Gas-Car Ban

The implausibility of a net-zero carbon energy future is becoming so obvious that even Europeans are starting to notice. Witness the weekend decision to step back from the ban on internal-combustion automobile engines that the European Union had intended to implement by 2035.

The eurocrats in Brussels had formulated the ban as part of their plan to reach net-zero carbon-dioxide emissions by 2050. But what regulators imagine would replace conventional engines remains a mystery. Battery technologies don’t exist to replace fossil fuels in driving distance or ease of refueling, and no one can say if or when such batteries will materialize. 

Electric vehicles also require rare-earth minerals often sourced from dirty mines in China. They’re only as green and affordable as the electricity used to charge them. In Europe that means coal-fired power for which consumers pay a huge price owing to the costs of forcing intermittent renewables such as wind and solar into the grid.

Resistance from Berlin and several other European governments has forced Brussels into all but abandoning its engine ban.

Consumers will be allowed to buy internal-combustion autos as long as those cars can run on synthetic fuels, which are fuels made from captured carbon or renewable energy. Brussels still seems to hope that these cars will run only on such “e-fuels” by that deadline. But doubts about the technological feasibility of that pledge may explain why environmental groups were aghast at the weekend decision.

No Country is Prepared

Electric cars are coming, like it or not. No one anywhere is prepared for it. 

Germany is scheming preposterous e-fuel ways to make it appear to work. Eurointelligence picks up on that point but misses the broad picture.

One cannot set a date and force it to happen if the science does not match.

In the US, Biden is forcing electric vehicles whether the infrastructure is ready or not. And it’s obvious the infrastructure is not ready and likely won’t be ready.

Nonetheless, California, Oregon and Washington state still have internal-combustion-engines bans slated for for 2035. 

A Big Green Mess in Germany With Coal a Stunning 31 Percent of Electricity

Meanwhile, please note A Big Green Mess in Germany With Coal a Stunning 31 Percent of Electricity

Germany managed to avoid a harsh winter from the reduced supply of natural gas from Russia. 

It did so by ramping up the use of coal. Ironically, the Greens backed this policy.

Hoot of the Day

In reference to California, Oregon and Washington, the WSJ conclusion is my hoot of the day: “You know your state capital has taken a wrong turn when your lawmakers would do well to learn a lesson from Brussels.

And in case you missed it, please note Biden’s Energy Policy Mandates Cause Severe Shortage of Electrical Steel and Transformers

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DolyG
DolyG
1 year ago
So you are saying the number of cars on the roads has to go down, one way or another? I agree.
How do you suggest to trade that?
nanomatrix
nanomatrix
1 year ago
Coal powered EVs.
Looks Green on paper…
nkirby
nkirby
1 year ago
An important, and often overlooked item, is that the roads in the US are paid for by a tax on gasoline. As electric cars require no gasoline, the tax that supports roads can no longer be levied as part of gasoline purchases. Those funds need to come from somewhere.

For states, a tax on registration could be effective (think $1000 registration fee), yet the feds pay a lot for roads (and this mostly comes from the tax on fuel) ; will the feds inflict a nationwide electric vehicle registration tax to support roads nationwide? will more roads become toll roads?

Webej
Webej
1 year ago
In the EU, hydrogen has become the magic elixir to smooth over all objections.
In the seventies they had city buses that worked on hydrogen, touted as the future, but 50 years later it just has not caught on. Hmmm.
Hydrogen Will Not Save Us. Here’s Why.
(20 mins)
Webej
Webej
1 year ago
It would be great if government limited itself to encouraging innovation.
One thing I have learned dealing with petty bureaucrats: Never ask for permission or funding, just deploy what people consider useful, and they will never make good on their objections and threats. People will buy electric cars when it makes sense.
GruesomeHarvest
GruesomeHarvest
1 year ago
Mish, According to this article you are behind the times.
vboring
vboring
1 year ago
These bans are on new car sales, not operation of existing vehicles. Even if there was a ban on new petrol car sales tomorrow, many of today’s petrol vehicle would be on the road for 15+ years.
ohno
ohno
1 year ago
Reply to  vboring
That depends. A state like CA is completely capable of making it hard on owners of combustion engines to the point you would be better off getting rid of it. Huge taxes, huge gas prices etc. I’m not saying it would work i’m saying they might try something like that.
3icestation
3icestation
1 year ago
With half of USA not being able to gather up enough funds to pay off the credit card dept they owe, and plus couple hundred grand each in national debt each. How many have went to a dealership and have bought a new vehicle, or will ever buy vehicle with less the ten years old ever, in there life span.
ohno
ohno
1 year ago
What a bunch of stupid jackasses! Even a blue collar simpleton like myself can clearly see this disaster from several miles away. Im sick and tired of these clowns, esp going into old age, with the crap they are trying to do. One things for sure, being from Kansas I think it’s a priority we vote out our democrat governor asap. The more liberals that get elected the more she’ll go right along with them with all their transgender, lockdowns, taxed to death etc bs. This is all just surreal to me having grown up in the 80’s. Everyday it’s like gee I wonder what disaster is next. Of course, the way things are going with Russia etc we might not have to worry about any of it which also would be zero surprise.
3icestation
3icestation
1 year ago
Reply to  ohno
Yes, you said what a lot of people are thinking
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  ohno
Goodness! If they can’t convince someone from Kansas how will they sway someone from Missouri?
Christoball
Christoball
1 year ago
After loosing back to back World Wars the Germans will do anything to stay relevant and assuage their guilt for past sins. After loosing back to back regional wars and loosing various proxy wars, the US is trying to catch up with the Germans on the sympathetic character gambit. We can only wish them luck.
MarkraD
MarkraD
1 year ago
For the “Hard to find/China/rare Earth debate”, it’s no longer relevant, google iron nitride and/or “Niron Magnetics”.
The science behind EV’s is exploding, reminiscent of Moore’s law in computers.
30 years ago, no one would have known we’d all have pc’s connected anywhere to the internet in the palms of our hands.
I wager we see equal future surprises in EV’s, not because of government mandates, but because of technology, there are just too many entities working on every aspect of R&D in everything from batteries to motors.
6 months ago all talk was on China’s rare Earth monopoly, in six months it will be our own ingenuity having the technology to mass produce iron nitride for half the price of Neodymium at over twice the strength.
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Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  MarkraD
We can actually have our PCs on our wrist these days. The large screen version is in our palms.
To your point, we do not know where tech will be in 10 years.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
1 year ago
“Ironically, the Greens backed this policy.”
“Thiiiingzzzz are alwayyyyys diiiiiiiferent thiiiiiiis tiiiiiime” in the underdeveloped minds of perennial child brains with no more logical acuity than chipmunks. When you are categorically incapable of abstracting beyond one-two-many, every little trifle detail, “of course” has to be a spacial case…..
MPO45v2
MPO45v2
1 year ago
Some in Congress and various states are pushing 4 day work weeks. Some school districts have moved to 4 day school weeks (not enough teachers/bus drivers). Remote work (for the skilled elite) is here to stay. All of these activities are growing due to lack of labor.
The real problem that few talk about is the deterioration of the labor force to maintain roads, bridges, airports, sea ports, etc. There is a shortage of 540,000 construction workers right now and nothing being done to fix it so it won’t matter if there are EVs or ICE cars on the road because deteriorating roads, ports, and bridges will make it impossible to move goods/humans and people will be better off working from home or minimum commute. This problem isn’t unique to construction, it is a problem everywhere from police officers to doctors, engineers to lawyers, janitors to CPAs and not just the US but the entire western world.
Biden or Desantis or whomever can pass whatever crazy legislation they want and it won’t matter because there won’t be enough people to enable or enforce or execute that legislation. And if by some chance, Congress actually decides to act today to fix the problem, it is too late because it will take too long to train replacements so be ready to welcome your future third world lifestyle. Everyone will do more with much less.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  MPO45v2
My only disagreement is that we have a more than necessary supply of lawyers.
FromBrussels2
FromBrussels2
1 year ago
The land of Oz …..we re almost there …no fn doubt about it !
Naphtali
Naphtali
1 year ago
Reply to  FromBrussels2
I think perhaps it’s the land of OR. Things are truly astounding here.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
The government won’t need to do anything to phase out electric cars by 2035. It will happen without them. In 5 years, the majority of new cars will be electric. Using batteries that don’t use rare earths. The batteries already exist and are being put in new cars. Gas stations will be closing down and eventually go away completely. Getting gas will become expensive and inconvenient.
There will always be some fuel vehicles for special purposes. So it will never completely go away. But it will become rarely used.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
5 years is WAY too optimistic. EV’s only made up about 6% of new car sales in 2022 up from about 4% in 2021. Yes it rose by 50% from the prior year but in relation to total car sales it’s still very low. Maybe in the 2030-2035 time frame it will reach 50% if the materials and technologies can be not only found but also large scale mass production car plants have to be built (or refurbed from ICE vehicles).
That’s just the USA. Now consider the rest of the world and it seems even more unlikely to reach 50% world wide anytime soon.
ICE vehicles will be around for a long time yet.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
EV sales were low in the US because of low supply. The demand is there and can be met from China. Try to buy an EV. If you can find one, the prices are way above MSRP. In China sales are projected to skyrocket.
China is likely going to phase out ICE vehicles completely with the next few years. China is leading the world right now. Other countries are going to follow their lead. They’ll be able to produce EVs for far less than other countries can make ICE vehicles. Plus they’ll be cheaper to operate and have much better performance.
Materials are an old problem.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Incidentally China sold 26 million cars last year with demand ramping up by 3% overall.
10 million cars by 2025 isn’t even 50% of the Chinese market which will be close to 30 million cars by 2025. So no, they will not be able to meet the demand here and in Europe and elsewhere since they won’t even meet their own countries demand.
3icestation
3icestation
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Like a 135 million cars used daily in the u.s.a. 5 percent a year replacement 25 years ?
Mish
Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I think TexasTime has a realistic assessment.
EVs are coming and they will be appropriate for many people who seldom or never escape the city. But there are huge problems even if we assume adequate supplies of Lithium and Nickel.
Quagmire46
Quagmire46
1 year ago
Reply to  Mish
Did anyone ask how China will produce all of that electric power for those cars?
Not so green …
Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  Quagmire46
Coal. They want to move away from being reliant on mid east oil.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
1 year ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Did you extrapolate that 1-year, 50% rise ahead? Like, 2021:4% 2022:6% 2023:9% 2024:13.5% 2025:20% 2026:30% 2027:45% 2028:70%.
OK, that’s a bogus extrapolation in multiple ways, but the argument that “X is really small so X will not be big” applies only in a stable environment. Not in an Oklahoma Land Rush environment.
When I feel like the world is solidly in that hand basket, I pull out my list of likely/possible OklaLandRush area/sectors. It’s a long list.
hmk
hmk
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
There is no business case for the consumer to buy an EV, its uneconomical as of now. When and if that ever changes EV’s may become mainstream.
KidHorn
KidHorn
1 year ago
Reply to  hmk
Really? If that’s so, where can I buy one? Dealer lots are loaded with ICE vehicles. Their EVs sell immediately at over MSRP.
An it costs less over the lifetime of the car. And production costs are about to go way down. In China you can buy an EV for under $6k USD. They’re 2 seaters and have maybe 100 miles of range, but that’s sufficient for half the world.
Quagmire46
Quagmire46
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Hmmmm…
Just what is the ‘lifetime of the car’??
I know it’s still a bit early in this game, but so far EVs have not earned a gold star for ‘lifetime’.
hmk
hmk
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Just because people are dumb enough to pay over list on an EV doesn’t mean its economical. Its the same morons who buy shitcoin.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Sure, I would buy a new EV for $6k USD.
If the price rises the possibility quickly becomes remote.
Maximus_Minimus
Maximus_Minimus
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
What do you specifically mean by rare earths, and which part of EVs use them?
ga7pilot
ga7pilot
1 year ago
Reply to  KidHorn
We are as likely to have flux-capacitor-powered cars in five years. Stick a banana peal in there and it’ll runs for a couple plutonium half-lifes.
Lisa_Hooker
Lisa_Hooker
1 year ago
Reply to  ga7pilot
You may jest, but I have an original Krupps burr-grinder Mr. Fusion in my cupboard.
HippyDippy
HippyDippy
1 year ago
I’d say bring back the steam engine car, and make sure you use coal to heat the water! Also, if governments really wanted to cut back on the dreaded (neutral) CO2, maybe they should clean up their own act, rather than trying to push their agendas on real people. Government is the biggest polluter. And let’s not forget to thank the EPA for creating the toxic sludge via their regulations. Real pollution. Not the fake CO2 pollution. I’m still upset that the NY Times lied about NY city being underwater by 2012. Yet, the slaves still buy their b.s.. Anything to keep from thinking for themselves and being a real man/woman.

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