In the Name of Progress, Biden Will Take Away Your Truck

Like your gasoline-powered truck? Sorry, Biden says you won’t be able to buy another.

Biden Is Coming for Your Truck

The Wall Street Journal accurately reports Biden Is Coming for Your Truck

This week’s Environmental Protection Agency tailpipe rule amounts to an imminent ban on gasoline-powered cars, never mind the soothing language of “incentivizing” a “transition.” Last year, 84% of all cars sold in America were powered by internal-combustion engines. By 2027, the government will restrict that share to 64%. In eight years, the cap will be 29%.

It’s also political malpractice. As he often has, Mr. Biden is dancing to the tune of a very loud if notably small progressive constituency—in this case, the climate lobby. It is made up largely of affluent city-dwellers—a white-collar elite. Climate is their First World problem, and they are going to vote for Mr. Biden anyway.

Arrayed against this coalition is everyone else. The White House press release touting its “historic progress” in electric cars struggled to quote any powerful players beyond the Environmental Defense Fund and Al Gore. Auto dealers—still powerful political players in many congressional districts—are actively campaigning against the rule, and more than 5,000 recently sent a letter to the White House decrying the rule as “completely unrealistic.” Manufacturers think it’s nuts. State attorneys general are gearing up to sue.

Mr. Biden has stepped crosswise with voters. Pollster Scott Rasmussen recently asked how respondents view new “regulations that would effectively outlaw the manufacture and sale of gasoline-powered cars.” Only 14% were strongly in favor. Nearly 60% were opposed. A slight majority of Democratic voters (53%) favored the idea, but 59% of independents and 76% of Republicans opposed it. Among income groups, only those earning more than $150,000 a year had majority support (51%).

The White House may not be able to tell a toy hauler from a travel trailer, but millions of Americans can and do—and won’t give either up without a fight.

It’s a tailor-made issue for Donald Trump, a perfect summation of his opponent’s radicalism. His campaign immediately trashed the rule as a diktat that will “force Americans to buy ultra-expensive cars they do not want and cannot afford while destroying the U.S. auto industry.” Just wait until he gets around to the bumper-sticker formula: “They’re coming for your truck.” An energy trade group has already been up with ads making that point in swing states, calling on Americans to reject Biden’s “EPA car ban.”

Biden Rolls Back EV Mandates, But Not Enough

On March 20, I wrote Green Wave in Reverse, Biden Rolls Back EV Mandates, But Not Enough

Under EPA rules, EVs will need to be 30-40% of the market by 2030, down from the proposed 60%. 

In the Zero Chance Category

Most popular gas-powered pickups emit about 430 grams of CO2 per mile. Under EPA’s final rule, trucks will have to average 184 g/mile in 2027, 128 g/mile in 2030 and 90 g/mile by 2032. Ergo, the companies will effectively have to produce one to two electric trucks for every gas-powered one in 2027. The ratio will be closer to four to one by 2032.

Biden rolled backed the EPA targets but as I said, “Not Enough”. Even with the rollback he is still coming after your truck.

This is one of many progressive pushes that will cost Biden the election.

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George Kamburoff
George Kamburoff
25 days ago

Do you still have to pay for electricity and gasoline?
Not us, we invested in a solar system and electric cars and have lived and driven with free electricity for eight years now.
The PV solar system paid back in three years in gasoline savings alone.

Hugh Jassol
Hugh Jassol
29 days ago

He’s a lying Sacajawea

Samanna
Samanna
30 days ago

Has nothing to do with the environment or the climate change hoax.

There are trillions$$ to be made by Blackrock, China and corrupt US politicians by forcing the peasants to purchase their worthless battery operated appliances.

Sailorcurt
Sailorcurt
30 days ago

That’s OK, I wouldn’t own a new truck anyway…too expensive, too many “luxury items” that I don’t need on a truck (my truck is a tool, not a fashion statement), and too many intrusive “spyware” features.

I’ll just keep my 13 year old truck running as long as I can (It’s a Ford with 175k miles…barely broken in, should last me at least 10 more years; and I’m old so hopefully it’s the last truck I’ll ever need).

I do have sympathy for the younger generation that’s going to have to deal with the fallout from all this nonsense, but I didn’t vote for Biden; a people always gets the government it deserves.

In other news, now might be a good time to invest in used car dealerships. After the econazis shut down new production of ICE vehicles, the market for used cars and trucks is going to skyrocket. Wouldn’t surprise me to see 10 year old ICE vehicles going for as much as brand new electrics in a few years.

In 20 years, it will be like Cuba with everyone driving around “classic” cars cobbled together out of spit and baling wire.

R Finley
R Finley
30 days ago

Well, i hope the ol’ codger dosn’t miss the gun fight!

Viti
Viti
1 month ago

Time to put the leviathan on a serious diet and the minions to learn their place the American people are in charge, the minions have forgotten that.

VietVetinOhio
VietVetinOhio
1 month ago

Just as we must have the choice to vote for DJT, we must also have the choice to buy any vehicle that we want. The EPA and the federal government has grown too large and too fat and sassy, thinking that it can make selections for “the good of the people.” That boils down to “we are liberals and we will walk all over you and your rights. End the EPA, end the Dept of (Mis-) Education and leftist propaganda. Each state has its own EPA, they do not need the feds dictating liberal policies to control them. Sell the huge excesses of public land the feds are sitting on and preventing Americans from using and enjoying.

Logical
Logical
1 month ago

This whole climate, EV talk is all nonsense. Government is always in the way of human progress. The more you require the population to do something, the more they resist, besides, listening to uneducated bureaucrats is also nonsense. Gas vehicles will be around for a long time. Controlling the population that has been free for 250 years will not comply and those politicians who continue the nonsense will be dragged out into the street naked for the peasants to see. Time to start my wood burning fire pit, cause they said its a no burn fire day!

Steve
Steve
1 month ago

Women ALWAYS vote in BIG GOVERNMENT, as soon as they get the vote. Without female responsibilities they vote more privileges, benefits and immunities for women at the expense of men, aka FEMALE SUPREMACY.

FACT: AMERICAN WOMEN HAVE OVER A HUNDRED RIGHTS THAT MEN DON’T HAVE AND MEN HAVE NO RIGHTS THAT WOMEN DON’T HAVE. Aka eekwalitee.

America is a gynocentric matriarchy. OBVIOUSLY.

Last edited 1 month ago by Steve
John
John
1 month ago

The leadership are going to laugh their butts off while your house is burning down because you plugged in your EV and it caught fire. The fire department not going to waste 16000 gallons of water to put it out! Instead the Biden’s have decided to provide the fire departments with marshmallows and clothes hangers so you can have a good time watching everything you worked for burn baby burn!

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Samanna
Samanna
30 days ago
Reply to  John

Their battery operated fire trucks burnt last week at the china owned charging station.

Bathhouse barry
Bathhouse barry
1 month ago

Get ready People, its time to show who’s the Boss!

Lars
Lars
1 month ago

More than ready….

Dennis
Dennis
1 month ago

If they want to get rid of ICE vehicles, maybe they should start with private jets and mega yachts. Never seem to hear that.

gnh
gnh
1 month ago
Reply to  Dennis

The people that make/condone these rules are the only ones that will be allowed ICE vehicles (car/plane/yachts).

VietVetinOhio
VietVetinOhio
1 month ago
Reply to  gnh

Ain’t it strange how that works out? Why they want everyone driving EVs? They want to stop Americans from traveling and swarming DC and even some state capitols to express their anger about how things are going. GOD BLESS AMERICANS.

RLABruce
RLABruce
30 days ago
Reply to  VietVetinOhio

We can’t form an army to fight our tyrants if we can’t travel.

RonJ
RonJ
1 month ago

“Only 14% were strongly in favor. Nearly 60% were opposed. A slight majority of Democratic voters (53%) favored the idea, but 59% of independents and 76% of Republicans opposed it.”

Democracy is under attack, by a Democrat.

worriorbob
worriorbob
30 days ago
Reply to  RonJ

Democracy is mob rule where the 51% can dictate the rights of the 49% – or in other words – a democracy is the same as 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner! This country was born as a “Constitutional Republic” i.e. rule by law – where not even the 99% can dictate the rights of the 1%.

Roto1711
Roto1711
1 month ago

FJB and the rest of the clowns in DC can put their mandates where the sun doesn’t shine, the average citizen has had enough of government overreach.

Tom Bergerson
Tom Bergerson
1 month ago

Normally such nonsense would be subject to correction in a Democracy or Democratic Republic by people voting the morons out of power

The IDEAS surrounding it would be debated in the Press and an informed Public would exercise their greatest power which is to prevent the abuse of power by those in Authority

But we no longer have a “Press” so we no longer have an informed public.

And as the Intel State Blob now runs the country and counts the votes and do not give one tiny care what any of the PEOPLE think, it looks like Civilization is in fact going to end with the “re-election” of Joe Biden

This is in fact the most important year of my life.

Last edited 1 month ago by Tom Bergerson
Avery2
Avery2
1 month ago

Public service announcement: for quick escape don’t drive a Renault.

Micheal Engel
Micheal Engel
1 month ago

Isis K, based in Khorasan Afghanistan near Kandahar, invaded Russia in the last 2 years. Radical Izlam promised each of them 1/2 million Ruble to kill and injure as many Christian people in Moscow. Isis K spokesman to Putin : “blood on your hands”.
“U are killing innocent Muslims in Afghanistan, Syria and Chechnia”.
1.7 million Afghan refugees were kicked out of Pakistan.

Last edited 1 month ago by Micheal Engel
joedidee
joedidee
1 month ago

real issue will be that WE JUST WON’T BUY NEW CARS/Trucks
my 2001 has only 288,000 miles on it – diesel
and no DEF-diesel exhaust fluid – mileage killer
I get near 20 mpg with 2001 diesel and 11 mpg with 2016 using DEF

pprboy
pprboy
1 month ago
Reply to  joedidee

As my wwII veteran friend used to say “I’ll show them. I won’t eat my lunch”

Micheal Engel
Micheal Engel
1 month ago

We got Mariupol and Bakhmut. We got Jasa and Khan Yunis. Now Moscow theater.
What’s next in the serial mess : Charlottesville ?? Preach morality to Putin.

Last edited 1 month ago by Micheal Engel
Notme
Notme
1 month ago
Reply to  Micheal Engel

Wrong thread

StvOh
StvOh
1 month ago

SCOTUS ruled the EPA does not have authority to make laws by regulating, Congress must pass these edicts. Why is Biden & EPA continuing to make these fascist edicts?

babelthuap
babelthuap
1 month ago
Reply to  StvOh

Why? Lots of reasons. Main one however is political power. An IT blog I read they’re intoxicated by the over-promises of EVs. Anyone playing devil’s advocate on them gets told to shut up swiftly. It also hurts the Axis of Evil II.

Unfortunately the plan will also not work for lots of reasons. Main one is EV’s are not ideal for most drivers in the US and globally.

xe2dy
xe2dy
1 month ago
Reply to  babelthuap

EVs are expensive debt generating vehicles both in initial purchase and repairs. Another tool to extinguish the middle class. 🙁

Jake J
Jake J
1 month ago
Reply to  babelthuap

Both the proponents and opponents of EVs are given to hysterical overstatement. Electric vehicles should be evaluated mainly in engineering terms, and that tends to be lost in the shouting.

Tom Bergerson
Tom Bergerson
1 month ago
Reply to  StvOh

SCOTUS made that ruling saying the Regulatory Agency could not do that on their own and then right before they lost the House, Pelosi rammed through a LAW giving them the power to regulate Carbon Dioxide

So they DO have the power. The recent nonsense goes well across that line as it is quite literally world changing and thus can ONLY come through Congress.

The upcoming Chevron reinterpretation coming in June may have some impact.

Micheal Engel
Micheal Engel
1 month ago

MSFT [1W] : Nov 2021(H}//Oct 2022(L) = 132.18.
132.18 x 1.618 = 213.86.
Oct 2022 low + 213.86 ==> 424.43.
Is MSFT hyperinflation done, or wall street will add one more scoop, just for u ??

Avery2
Avery2
1 month ago
Reply to  Micheal Engel

The Secret Lies With Charlotte

Micheal Engel
Micheal Engel
1 month ago
Reply to  Avery2

Is Charlottesville next ?

Last edited 1 month ago by Micheal Engel
vboring
vboring
1 month ago

Cute headline, but no. Not even a little.

People shouldn’t be forced to buy them. A direct tax on emissions would be far more effective, but good luck on getting re-elected after passing one.

But EV trucks are just better. The Ramcharger is going to be amazing. The Lightning with an onboard generator for trips would be amazing.

And electricity costs about 90% less than gas in most of the country when you sign up for an overnight rate.

joedidee
joedidee
1 month ago
Reply to  vboring

 The Lightning pulling just 2,000 lb trailer got only 40% expected miles
throw in added battery weight and it also tears up roads but pays no highway tax
time to start charging EV owners = share

Jake J
Jake J
1 month ago
Reply to  joedidee

The F150 Lightning is a joke in more ways than one.

Jake J
Jake J
1 month ago
Reply to  vboring

Diesel trucks will only work if solid state batteries live up to the hype. I know a LOT about this subject, and am guardedly optimistic. Guardedly because there have been several breakthroughs that have not panned out. Optimistic because there are enough announcements from battery industry heavy hitters, as opposed to press releases from this or that grant seeking university, to make me think this is real.

You are flat wrong about electricity being 90% cheaper. Not even close. You pulled that number from the place where the sun don’t shine.

If solid state does fulfill its promise, EVs will need no subsidies or government requirements. The free market will work its magic, and ICEVs will go the way of the oil lamp, the cathode ray tube, and the incandescent light bulb.

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
1 month ago

Yup, that sounds Orwellian to me.

Alex
Alex
1 month ago

Could the Biden Administration be so stupid…

link to sonar21.com

Frank
Frank
1 month ago

Hopefully the next Trump administration can hire a contractor with a fleet of Cat D-9s to bulldoze the EPA and other assorted Stalinist regulatory agencies. The displaced bureaucrats would then be free to seek productive work in the private sector and the citizenry would be free of an intolerable burden.

John Overington
John Overington
1 month ago
Reply to  Frank

Hopefully, the bureaucrats and their political bosses will be in the buildings when they fall. That way, the ideas will not have the opportunity to propagate.

Cocoa
Cocoa
1 month ago

When Biden and Pentagon or CIA ordered Nordstream 2 blown up, that was the biggest release of “global warming” gases ever. Its all Horsepucky from the Dems

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
1 month ago
Reply to  Cocoa

It was in the name of protecting Ukraine.

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  Cocoa

Yes; It was a big release; 200,000 tonnes of methane.

No; it was not the biggest release of greenhouse gasses ever. That is typical media hype.

Compared to annual world methane emissions of 570,000,000 tonnes, it represents just 0.03% of those annual emissions.

Stop spreading misinformation.

Hank
Hank
1 month ago

“And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.”

…… but please don’t take our trucks or we gonna be hella mad. I’ll do anything if you just leave my truck alone. Please I beg of you and will pledge my full allegiance to you my government King (on knees crying and blubbering boogers)

We would all do well to re-read the Declaration of Independence regularly

ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
1 month ago

I’ve never seen anapocalyptic movie where they are driving electric cars.

Ken
Ken
1 month ago

That’s because they would blow the budget of for the film and can’t get rid of them after done filming!..lol

ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
1 month ago
Reply to  Ken

LOL!!!!!!

pprboy
pprboy
1 month ago

check out leave the world behind, where the teslas are driving themselves

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
1 month ago

A fairer assessment of the situation. The WSJ is the Fox News of print.

link to motortrend.com

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago

Another mandate that won’t happen because it is unrealistic. Yet people get all indignant.

Gas and diesel trucks will be around for a long time to come. In addition, I’m guessing the easiest way for automakers to help lower emissions and achieve higher fuel efficiency would be to make more PHEV trucks; not EV trucks.

Stu
Stu
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Absolutely Papa, because it’s not even our call, so to speak. Try telling millions of people, all across the World, that they must buy EV’s now, and scrap their GV’s. Wake me up, when they all comply, and until then I will thoroughly enjoy my sleep fest…
The export of millions of used motor vehicles to developing countries is proving a major contributor to air pollution. The finding comes from a recently released United Nations Environment Programme report which states that 14 million light duty vehicles (cars, SUVs and minibuses) were exported to low and middle-income countries between 2015 and 2018. 40 percent of that total ended up in Africa. The European Union accounted for 54 percent of all used vehicle exports during the above period, followed by Japan’s 27 percent and the United States’ 18 percent. The vast majority of developing countries importing these vehicles have no environmental requirements or regulations governing their safety.

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
1 month ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Given the stop and go nature of trucks and the required torque control, I can see a use case for hybrid trucks.

John
John
1 month ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

Yep recycle bin! It will boost the recycle industry! Q:What did you do for the environment today! A:Recycled my cash hole EV!!!

Bill
Bill
1 month ago

Truck obiden

Micheal Engel
Micheal Engel
1 month ago

Ukraine lobed missiles on 10 Russia refineries. Russia launched 150 missiles and drones on Ukraine energy infrastructures. [Isis attacked Moscow theater]. Biden ordered Zelenski not to attack Russian’s oil refineries bc oil prices might rise. Zelenski requested Patriot missiles to protect energy facilities, dams, power stations, logistic centers, infrastructure, houses and every city to protect life.

Avery2
Avery2
1 month ago
Reply to  Micheal Engel

Is AIG insuring Property on the Russian refineries? After all, they claimed that they were fooled by the subprime mortgage borrowers 16 years ago,

Last edited 1 month ago by Avery2
Avery2
Avery2
1 month ago

Start right now and keep New York City a truck-free zone.

Scoll
Scoll
30 days ago
Reply to  Avery2

Don’t worry – NYC will cease to exist soon. Incoming hypersonic in 3 – 2 – 1…

Garry
Garry
1 month ago

Biden is coming for your guns.

Biden is coming for your ammunition.

Biden is coming for your first born.

Can we get back to the very excellent economics blog I started reading 10 years ago?

FromBrussels
FromBrussels
1 month ago
Reply to  Garry

who still gives a fckn shit about ‘economics’ when our world is falling apart in ALL other aspects ?

PapaDave
PapaDave
1 month ago
Reply to  FromBrussels

The world has always been falling apart. Best to ignore as much of it as you can and focus your attention on things you can actually control.

Hank
Hank
1 month ago
Reply to  FromBrussels

Many believe it will save them…… They will be eating and burning paper bills to sustain heat and a full stomach. They will be balling them up and throwing them at the armed hordes that come for any and every resource they may have that is of any REAL value

Mad Max real life coming

Avery2
Avery2
1 month ago
Reply to  Garry

Even Uncle Buffy said one can’t collect on a winning bet on the end of the world.

Plato’s Cave Shadows On The Wall since at least Friday afternoon 11/22/1963.

phil davis
phil davis
1 month ago

I find that my brethren Americans seem apathetic on on many issues; they talk a big game for change, but nothing really happens. Well, Bud Lite was an outlier. Beer seems like a big motivator for political change. Following this logic, messing with the American truck might be the issue that begins a useful revolt. Let’s hope.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
1 month ago

We are in transition. Welcome to the beginning to the end of fossil fuel dominance.

Biden Delivers Road Map to Electrify Long-Haul Trucking Routes
The new plan would prioritize investments in electric vehicle chargers and hydrogen fueling stations along key freight corridors around the US.

“This is a big move to deliver environmental justice; 75% of heavy truck traffic travels on just 4% of our nation’s roads, jeopardizing the health of our most vulnerable communities,” Zaidi said in an emailed statement.

Across the US, there are just 92 electric charging stations capable of serving heavy trucks, and only nine of them are fast-charging sites, according to Energy Department data.

Though companies are rapidly expanding their EV fleets and their own charging capabilities, the buildout of highway charging infrastructure is essential to wider deployment. Hydrogen fueling stations will also be needed to support the use of hydrogen-powered vehicles that truck makers anticipate hitting the market in the next 18 to 24 months.

“This is really important to actually get and help make this a reality,” Macdonald-King said. “Infrastructure is a challenge; transferring over to zero-emission vehicles is a challenge. Having this support to get us there is really critical.”

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Green

What the hell is environmental justice?

Of course heavy trucks travel on only 4% of roads. That’s essentially the highways and interstates.

This Zaidi guy is a complete wacko who is fear mongering with his nonsense about environmental justice and most vulnerable communities.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
1 month ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Environmental Justice. The poor get the sh** end of the stick for pollution where they live..

RonJ
RonJ
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Green

Environmental dog whistle. The numerous trucks on Interstate 5 freeway go through middle class communities, along with others. In the 1980’s, first stage smog alerts didn’t discriminate against poor communities in Los Angeles. They covered a wide area.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
1 month ago
Reply to  RonJ

You want the sh** end of the stick go live in a slum 30 miles from me. They have very little political support to help them live a better life. Want to bring in a polluting industry, you bring into an area that can’t fight back to stop it.

Citation Excerpt :
These factors are important to consider and account for when studying the health impacts of transportation but also importantly when devising mitigation strategies and allocating scarce resources. Unfortunately, within the transportation and urban planning fields there is a history of racist practices that can explain some of the inequities that contribute to the disproportionate occurrence of adverse transportation-related exposure for different demographic groups (Fuller and Brugge, 2020; Whittemore, 2017). Practices that integrate meaningful levels of citizen participation and redefine the role of the professional in community-engagement exercises can improve participation and mitigate the occurrence of inequitable outcomes (Blue et al., 2019; Lyles and Swearingen White, 2019).

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Green

Very little pollution today discriminates against locality. That once was true decades ago (think 1960s and earlier) but isn’t today. Most pollution today in the developed west is on a national rather than regional level.

Also, the poor get the sh** end of the stick in terms of nutritional food, quality of goods they can afford etc. It’s *supposed* to be that way. It provides incentive for those who wish to escape that life to work hard for a better one. Without this incentive there never would have been much advancement at all in society over the last thousand or two years.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
1 month ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

The more people are in afforadable housing, have food they can provide themselves, get a good education, the more we all benefit from a more productive society. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life. Its time to get to work.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
1 month ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/www.epa.gov.icohttps://www.epa.gov › sites › default › files › 2014-12 › documents › environmental_justice_do_poor_and_minority_populations_face_more_hazards.pdf
PDF Environmental Justice: Do Poor and Minority Populations Face More Hazards?For instance, Zimmerman (1993) finds evidence that more minorities live in neighborhoods with inactive hazardous waste sites, but that the poor do not. Likewise, Boer et al. (1997) find that hazardous waste sites are positively correlated with race but that the relationship is more complicated with regard to

Ursel Doran
Ursel Doran
1 month ago

URGE SEE = Tucker Carlson lays out the Tyranny of the current Biden Administration.
link to youtube.com

Jake J
Jake J
1 month ago

Mish, I hope you will post again about the dollar as reserve currency. You have ridiculed the idea of the BRICs reserve, and I agree. But I think there is a different important angle that you are overlooking. I will leave it at that ending a different post where my take would be on topic.

If you choose to accept the mission, please include a discussion of the SWIFT banking system in your writeup. I think the dollar is more vulnerable than you seem to have assumed.

Spencer
Spencer
1 month ago
Reply to  Jake J

The U.S. $ is temporarily being supported by the destruction of the E-$.

Jake J
Jake J
1 month ago
Reply to  Spencer

I really don’t want to discuss it here, but will wait for Mish to raise the subject separately.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
1 month ago

Batteries are predicted to be half cost by the end of the year. There is actually plenty of time to come up with designs that are improved from todays EV trucks. This also sends the signal to manufacturs to develop good trucks to get the job done.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Green

If this was true why would anyone buy an EV today when the battery cost is going to drop by half which would then drop the EV cost by a large amount (probably 20%).

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
1 month ago
Reply to  TexasTim65

Interest rates are a little high also. Plus EVs are entering the market of people who may be a little slower to take on something new. And the FUD (fear uncertainty doubt) or liars about EV are getting their time in the media. When it comes to shaking up an ultrawealthy market, they aren’t going down without a fight. In some ways this is similar to the tobacco cancer link. Big tobacco lied and lied and lied on the air waves. Same with FFs.

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Green

Batteries are only one of the issues plaguing EV’s. The power grid is simply not ready.

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
1 month ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

I have had no issues with the power grid. The Tesla charger will actually detect the grid is busy and back off on the charging rate. This is a very easy solution.

Scoll
Scoll
30 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Green

Try to convince the folks in line behind you with their dying batteries about your easy solution. You will be lucky to leave alive.

Jake J
Jake J
1 month ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

The power grid wont be nearly as stressed as the naysayers think. There is 20-25% excess capacity at night.

Scoll
Scoll
30 days ago
Reply to  Jake J

Naysayers? Are you stuck back in 1965 or did you just pay $85K for a useless Tesla? The power grid is already woefully inadequate – even without those toy EV cars, EV semi-trucks. Don’t worry though, it will make a nice statue.

Stuki Moi
Stuki Moi
1 month ago
Reply to  Jeff Green

“Batteries are predicted to be half cost by the end of the year.”

Of course. “In the future” the tooth fairy will make them for free!

Jeff Green
Jeff Green
1 month ago
Reply to  Stuki Moi

/cleantechnica

/2024/02/26/catl-byd-to-slash-battery-prices-by-50-in-2024-boom-evs-win/

Jake J
Jake J
1 month ago

The only way EV trucks will succeed is if solid state batteries come into the market at competitive prices and fulfill the performance metrics (triple the energy density meaning triple the range, much safer, wider operating temperature range, much faster charging, much longer battery life) that have been mentioned in the stories about them.

If — big IF — that does happen, ICEVs will go the way of the oil lamp after light bulbs went into mass production, or the replacement of cathode ray TV tubes and lighting by LEDs. At that point, EVs would need no subsidies. The market would do it. Solve the problems I mentioned, and few buyers would would want anything other than electric, including truck buyers.

If the Dems had a brain, which they do not, they would pour R&D dollars into making solid state viable for larger batteries. Solid state is now ubiquitous in cellphones and laptops, so the idea makes intuitive sense. In any case, this should not be a political issue, but only a matter of engineering.

We shall see. I have been following EVs even before lithium ion liquid electrolyte batteries were perfected for them. I have seen all kinds of hyped battery breakthroughs that didn’t happen, so solid state is definitely in the “show me” category. But I am following it fairly closely.

One thing to say now is that there is plenty of lithium. It is plentiful, and three of the worlds largest deosits have been identified in this country, so no one has to worry about any kind of shortage even if everything were to be converted. Another thing to say is that lithium is recyclable. It’s not being done in scale yet because EVs are still too new, but that will change even if solid state turns out to be a chimera.

Neil
Neil
1 month ago
Reply to  Jake J

Battery tech will improve and costs will drop. The issue is where you get the additional TWhrs needed to charge them all….

Jake J
Jake J
1 month ago
Reply to  Neil

You do it overnight, when electricity demand drops 20-25%

Scoll
Scoll
30 days ago
Reply to  Jake J

Keep pushing your misinformation, Sparky! Let me guess, you are also pushing for that manned flight to the Sun that will land at night, right?

Don
Don
1 month ago

Right after my firearm (s)…good luck with that Mr. Poopyhead

Dickie
Dickie
1 month ago

The ballots to win the election do not care what happens to “every day Americans” Mish, they will be printed/collected well before the vote and released as necessary last minute. Become familiar with this co, http://www.omega4america.substack.com and broadcast their work, tis the only chance we have.

Nonplused
Nonplused
1 month ago

Electric trucks aren’t very good at truck things. They don’t have the range required when loaded. I guess a lot of urban cowboys might be able to get along with an electric truck, but they could just as easily drive a car.

Scoll
Scoll
30 days ago
Reply to  Nonplused

They are great towing a 25 foot travel trailer for what, 90 miles? What a joke on anyone shelling out $110K just to virtue signal!

Griffin Burgh
Griffin Burgh
1 month ago

95% of the electric vehicles made in the last 10 years are still on the road. The other 5% made it home safely.

Sam
Sam
1 month ago

The old senile diaper won’t be around and this will never happen even close to their time frame, if ever

Stu
Stu
1 month ago
Reply to  Sam

I agree Sam, the Manufacturers don’t want to make them, because they know people don’t want them. More importantly is the fact that they lose money on every vehicle they produce. Even more importantly than that, is the average person cannot (guessing roughly 70% of the population) realistically and actually afford these vehicles. They certainly can’t afford to properly dispose of the batteries once they go, so they won’t. This will cause environmental cleanups and potentially poisoning water supplies depending where they are dumped. Of course remote areas will be the prime spots for dumping. So it will take a while to finally show up. How much damage and how much cost to take care of all that?
So go ahead Biden, run the Manufacturer’s out of business, along with all the job losses as a result. The Unions we so stupid to buy into this hype, or was it coercion and payouts? Very silly stupid whatever reason they had. Biden’s plan will leave Manufacturers with tens of thousands of unsold vehicles, and massive layoffs, and price cuts to move what they can. I don’t think they can go low enough in price to make people choose to buy them. I wouldn’t take one for free personally!
One missing thing is all the discussion, is the “Cost to Own” People, like myself, fix our cars for free, via our own labor. We buy the parts at very reasonable prices, because they are very easy to make, and nearly anywhere in the world with manufacturing capabilities can produce them. No worries of materials to find to do so. We will go from that to having to go pay huge cost to have your car fixed or repaired for nearly any and all reason, sort of tires, and a few less costly items, but you will pay through the nose for anything electronic.
So now we own them, but can’t afford to fix them when they breakdown, and that’s often, as it’s newer technology that they are still struggling with today.
The EV issue is a joke, and when compared to Hybrids and/or GV’s it’s no contest in any space. Not cost, parts availability, finding batteries from a foreign country, that’s not exactly worried about getting them to us per se… It’s asinine if nothing else!!!

rjd1955
rjd1955
1 month ago

Does Biden’s bullet-proof limousine have an internal combustion engine?

Stu
Stu
1 month ago
Reply to  rjd1955

Of course it does! Do you think the President wants to be looking for a charging station, to make it on-time to his appointments? He can’t risk being stuck and broke down with no power, and no place to charge it for another 100 miles.

Andre
Andre
1 month ago
Reply to  Stu

some animals are more equal than others

Avery2
Avery2
1 month ago
Reply to  rjd1955

An EV hearse could double as a crematorium.

Scoll
Scoll
30 days ago
Reply to  Avery2

Now THAT would be a fitting ending!

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