BREAKING: @KYSecState delivered recommendations for running Nov election in Kentucky. It’s VERY good news. Let’s walk through the provisions. But here’s the bottom line: anyone who believes they need to vote by mail cause of #COVID may do so. 1/
— Josh Douglas (@JoshuaADouglas) August 14, 2020
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Kentucky Mail-In Model
- @KYSecState delivered recommendations for running Nov election in Kentucky. It’s VERY good news. Let’s walk through the provisions. But here’s the bottom line: anyone who believes they need to vote by mail cause of #COVID may do so.
- KY will essentially run election in 3 stages. First is vote-by-mail. Online portal to request a mail-in ballot will open on Aug. 21. Voters will have until Oct. 9 to request a ballot. Though an “excuse” is needed, any voter can say they want to vote by mail cause of #COVID.
- Both sides should claim victory: technically an excuse is required, but every voter has a valid excuse if they believe that voting in person will subject them to an unreasonable risk of harm from the coronavirus.
- The relevant language is “of an age, or possessing of a health condition or vulnerability, or potentially in contact [with someone with age or health concerns] that the voter believes subjects the voter or other person to unacceptable risk of harm from the novel coronavirus.”
- There’s no age cut-off. No specific health criteria. Only the voter can say whether they qualify. Formally, an excuse is required; functionality, everyone qualifies.
- Voters can return their ballots via secure ballot drop boxes—and there will be more than in June (though still maybe not enough). They can also mail them in.
- If mailing in, ballots must be postmarked by Nov. 3 and received by Nov. 6. I’m really happy they made the postmark deadline Election Day.
- @KYSecState just reiterated: “it’s the voter’s subjective determination” if they have a #COVID reason to vote absentee. It’s the voter’s “subjective decision.”
- This next provision should avoid lots of mistakes: county clerks must highlight the two places on the ballot envelopes where voters must sign, to avoid the problem of voters not realizing they must sign twice.
- In addition—and this is HUGE—counties must notify voters regarding ANY rejected ballot and give that voter an opportunity to cure the error. That means that missing signature, mismatched signature, removal of flap, etc. can all be cured–by 6 days after election.
- Further, State Board of Elections must promulgate a uniform statewide regulation that will allow counties to count a ballot even if the voter made a minor mistake. This will lead to a lot fewer rejected ballots.
- Early voting will open on Oct. 13, meaning there will be *three weeks* of early voting. That must include three Saturdays for at least 4 hours on those Saturdays. Anyone can vote early in-person.
- Election Day voting. Each county must have at least one Vote Center where any voter in the county may go. Counties must seek approval of Gov and SOS for reducing polling places—an attempt to avoid the single-polling-place-per-county problem.
- There will be fewer polling places because of a lack of poll workers. But hopefully counties will submit sensible plans, and both the (Dem) Gov and (Repub) SOS must agree to those plans to reduce polling places.
- Now, some (slightly) bad news: new photo ID law is still being implemented, but with tweaks to ease burden on those w/o an ID. Essentially, voters w/o photo ID can claim COVID-related reason for not having ID, fill out “reasonable impediment” form, and cast a regular ballot.
- The new law allows anyone without a photo ID, but with a non-photo ID, to fill out the reasonable impediment form. The problem is that the list of reasons is not inclusive enough. The new rule expands list of reasons for why someone doesn’t have an ID to include COVID.
- Voters who use the online portal to request an absentee ballot, and have the portal pull their DMV information (almost all absentee voters), need not do anything else to comply with the photo ID requirement. The online system has verified their identity.
- I was very concerned about absentee voters needing to print out a copy of their ID, as text of new photo ID law seems to require. That’s not necessary with the online portal serving as the identity check through DMV data.
- I still think the state should just delay implementation of photo ID entirely. There has been virtually no voter education of this new burden, which was not in effect in June. The reasonable impediment form could cause longer lines at the polls. And the law is unnecessary.
- I think the court hearing the case will reject ACLU’s first claim on modifying the election procedures—they did that very well!—but there’s a chance the court will still order the state to delay photo ID law entirely.
- Either way, these modifications to new photo ID law due to COVID are step in the right direction to ease the burdens of this law. I’m glad that those using vote-by-mail will not have to do anything else, and that in-person voters have more outlets if they don’t have photo ID.
- So where do we end up? A more expansive voting plan than normal. Remember that KY normally has restrictive voting laws: excuse required for absentee or early voting, with limited list of excuses. This is pretty close to the better plan from the successful June primary.
- Essentially no-excuse absentee balloting allowed, although we’re not calling it that, as voters still must say that they believe they are at risk to vote in person cause of COVID concerns. But that’s the voter’s decision.
- Fewer mail-in ballots will be rejected because voters notified of all mistakes, not just signature mismatches as in June. Early voting for three weeks, including at least four hours on each of the three Saturdays leading up to Election Day.
- In-person voting, with more polling places than in June (but fewer than in a normal year). If you want more in-person polling places, sign up to be a poll worker.
- New photo ID law still in place, but more excuses allowed under reasonable impediment provision due to COVID and online portal pulling DMV data for voters using vote-by-mail.
- This is a good, bipartisan plan. I’m really happy with almost all of it (everything except full delay of photo ID law)—and that’s saying a lot. I applaud and for working in such a bipartisan manner to create a plan to protect KY voters.
- This is again a model for how election administration should be done. Most people should find something they like here—and most importantly, voters have multiple options for voting this November. #AllEyesonKentucky once again for good election law news.
- This plan—3 flexible ways for voters to choose how to vote—is a model for how to run a successful election. If you fear #COVID transmission, request your vote-by-mail ballot (preferably) using the online portal. If you want to vote in person, go early. Or vote on Nov. 3.
Official Announcement
Here is the Official Announcement from Secretary of State Michael Adams (R) to Governor Andy Beshear (D).
Wow. That is the way it should be.
Rare Bipartisan Success
I believe in voting IDs, but the rest of the outline is a rare bipartisan effort that makes sense.
If states adopt this procedure it will end all of the nonsense about the post office warning it cannot handle the surge in volume.
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Mish
The Republicants wont agree to anything that allows people to vote.
The republicans won’t agree to anything that promotes voting fraud.
That is why Democrats are opposed to presenting ID in order to vote.
Kamala Harris just said that young people are stupid. In California school indoctrination centers, the intent is to get indoctrinated students, age 16, pre-registered to vote at 18. The California Teachers Association wants to register a lot of stupid voters, as they will vote Democrat.
Jonathan Gruber, an architect of Obamacare, said voters are stupid. Take a look at the Democrat run major cities. They are all failing.
The Democratic Party has super delegates. If Democrat Party members don’t vote the right way, they can be overridden. That is not democracy.
In California we have ballot propositions. If we don’t vote the right way, Democrats run to the courts to try to overturn the vote.
I am Irish American, born/raised in San Francisco CA (the ONLY city and county combined in Calif). Therefore I am uniquely qualified to comment on mail-in voting. Advice? under no circumstance EVER, for anyone including in uniform USA citizens, permit mail in ballots, EVER.
Postmaster General Louis DeJoy has agreed to House Democrats’ request for him to testify next week about his controversial Postal Service changes that have raised hackles around the nation, according to two people familiar with the matter.
This should not be a issue. In our state, when you register to vote, you are given a voter ID number. So long as your name and ID number match up you vote is legitimate. To allow 20 million illegals to vote is criminal….
I fail to understand the excitement about KY.
Colorado’s system is great. Why not just copy Colorado’s system?
I think the issue is whether or not ballots are sent to all eligible voters. Regardless if they requested them or not. I’m against that because the voter rolls are very unreliable. Dead people and wrong addresses are common. I’m OK with mail in voting provided the voter requested the ballot.
I have decided to do the mail-in vote. Nobody should force me to vote in-person.
Nothing with Vote By Mail prevents the Democrat or Republican party from having get out and vote rallies (outright buying votes).
Would Trump have a rally to allow people to use his golf course for a vote?
Would celebrities who are for a specific democrat have a rally to get for votes that person?
I believe vote by mail opens up a can of worms and creates an opportunity for fraud and create undue influence.
Let’s assume that the U.S. Postal Service is able to process all vote-by-mail ballots.
One needs to look at the fact that voting at a polling place creates a CONTROLLED environment.
Vote By Mail – ALLOWS:
1)
Undue influence – currently at a polling place there are laws against campaigning
with like 100 feet of the location. When voting one cannot wear buttons, shirts, hats, etc. for a particular candidate.
One that lives with their parents could be influenced by them.
A renter could be influenced by his/her landlord, by an apartment sign in the front lawn.
2)
How does the state know who actually casts a ballot?
At a polling place, judges look up who is registered and where a person lives.
People show up in person and sign their name.
If 4 ballots are sent to the same house, what is to prevent someone from
fraudulently signing another person’s name.
3)
How does the state know if people have died before the election occurs?
In that case that person’s vote shouldn’t count.
4)
Lastly Vote-by-mail allows one to sell their vote. Say one doesn’t care who wins the election. Now they could go to a Biden rep or Trump rep and ask how they would pay for the ballot.
Candidates currently spends millions on political ads. Knowing they can vote the ballot for one’s candidate allow votes to be bought directly.
ABSENTEE Ballots:
Absentee ballots have a purpose for military personnel and people who will be out of town for work or vacation. Otherwise people should vote in person.
Why the hell should I have to vote in person? I live in California, I’m registered as a permanent absentee voter, and it’s my own goddamn business why I did that. Did you ever stop to think that many states have bad reasons for limiting absentee ballots? Voting by mail works fine. Look at Oregon’s example, they’ve been conducting all-mail elections for years without problems.
I’ve lived in Oregon for 50 years and for many years we’ve had mail in ballots and the system has worked flawlessly. You have to sign your ballot and the signature can be checked by comparing to your voter registration record. To my knowledge we’ve never had fraud of any significance at all.
I’m registered as a permanent absentee voter, and it’s my own business why I did that.
Personally, I don’t care why you vote absentee. I do hope you aren’t a whiner who votes early and then wants to have an EXCEPTION to vote again, if something subsequent comes out about a candidate you voted for.
Secondly, voting at a polling place prevents one from selling their vote. I personally want a FAIR election not one influenced by the highest bidder.
“I believe vote by mail opens up a can of worms and creates an opportunity for fraud and create undue influence.”
You believe, but do you have proof?
Colorado’s Secretaries of State say: “fraud is almost zero”.
Beliefs without supporting data are not rational.
I mentioned my reasoning: voting at a polling place is a controlled environment. One votes in privacy.
Vote by mail – from home has opportunities for undue influence.
Also ability for one to sell one’s vote. When I vote at the polling place I can’t
take a Biden rep or Trump rep with me and show them I voted for his guy.
I also can’t take a Senator rep from my state and show them who I am voting for.
The main reason I don’t like mail in voting is the centralization of voting. Nowhere have I read the county offices with handle the vote counting and report to the state. This leads me to believe the votes will all be sent to one central location to be sorted and counted. Centralization hasn’t worked and opens the door for a small number of people to to have large amounts of power. A well timed fire or theft could swing an entire election for either party.
Like everything this knife cuts both ways. While one side may want this now at some point the other side may manipulate it to work in their favor. Centralization is government only leads to more government. The pandemic will become a memory in the future but the changes because of it could have lasting consequences.
Did I miss the part that says how voters are notified of problems with their ballots?
When they present the opposing candidate on TV as winner.
In MN there is a link to your ballot that you can go on line and see where it is in the process from received to cast.
Nothing wrong with voter ID if it’s not being used to suppress the vote. Care must be taken to deal with citizens that may not have a drivers license or passport etc. If done there should be a serious voter drive. Too often voter ID is code for voter suppression. Why can’t this be done right?
Two messages, one for Republicans, one for Democrats.
The mailer was sent out by the North Carolina Republican Party, press secretary Tim Wigginton told CNN. The state party has sent several statewide mailers “to make it easier for interested voters to participate,” Wigginton said.
“We want our voters to know they can utilize this tool to cast their ballot in an easy, safe and secure manner. It is important to note that the North Carolina system requires a voter to actively solicit a ballot and go through an easy but important verification process to request a ballot,” he added. “We along with President Trump oppose an all-mail election process where voters are mailed ballots without a prior request and authentication.”
Now that Trump has kneecapped the USPS he wants people to vote by mail, easier to select which you will count that way.
From the party with the most famous gerrymandered districts in the US. Cool.
Where is this evidence of postal fraud from which charges are being based? When prosecutors bring charges they cite evidence. Your opening salvo to this piece gets a huge thumbs down from me. Why are you buying into an argument that hasn’t been made. Oregon has had mail in voting since 1998. Where’s the fraud?
Yes, as I posted the other day, 10 people were convicted of voting fraud in Oregon in 2016 out of more than 2.1 million votes cast, which is 0.00047619 of 1% of the vote. Statistically zero. And as to the claims the post office cannot handle a surge such as perhaps 100 million ballots might cause that is also just horseshit, they handle a surge of more than a billion bits of mail every Christmas. Not only that but that Christmas rush has mail going all over the place, where ballots do not even leave the county they are mailed in.
This is all about tending the seeds Trump has planted about the mail in ballots causing the worst chaos with dire results, and now that does not even need to happen for him to claim dem voter frauds are the only reason Biden won. He is counting on it being close enough for that to bear any plausibility, but I say more than 70 million Americans will vote for Biden so there will be no plausibity to that claim, especially when Trump will get votes in the 50 something million (possibly low 50’s at that).
Trump’s goal is nothing less than to discredit the outcome which he knows today. He will lose and has tricks up his sleeve to avoid leaving office. Even if one of those tricks is fomenting civil war so he has an excuse to suspend habeus corpus and declare martial law. They guy would not think twice about it either, he is that much of a rat.
It’s turning into pure propaganda at this point. Everything is Trumps fault and he must be taken out of office. I am not one to get on one side or the other. The middle is where a country like America will thrive. The shift to one side is not a good one. Never has a one party system worked.
All I wanted out of a president in 2016 was one that wouldn’t start a shooting war. Trump hasn’t and maybe that’s why he has to go. My guess is he is not playing the game and the powers that be want him gone.
At this point I don’t know what to believe but I sure as hell are not going to believe what I am told to believe.
Which kinda proves the system works.
I’m positive this has been posted,…but,…
Beginning December 16 the agency expects to process and deliver nearly >>>2.5 billion pieces of mail<<<, this week alone.
Overall, the Postal Service anticipates delivering >>>800 million packages<<< between Thanksgiving and New Year’s Day.
Ah,…I’m thinking that they can more than handle mail-in ballots.
Nice try Trumpalina,…but your tactic is a huge fail !!!
Yeah I have been posting that here and at Twitter, also pointing out the the ballots that are supposed to destroy the post office never actually leave the county they are mailed in since every county has a voter’s registrar, where Christmas mail goes to every corner of the cities, counties, states, nation and world. Christmas mail is a lot of odd sized bits that need special handling, it is nearly always addressed in handwritten letters without barcodes or ZIP+4. The claims they cannot handle mail in ballots is just setting the stage for a false claim of election fraud, and excuse to try to void the election or rouse up civil war type sentiment that would justify martial law. The fat ass said he would decide later if he was ever going to leave office and now that he knows he will lose and immediately be indicted he will do anything to stop the succession.
You are out there man. Do you not remember Hillary not conceding to Trump? She said Trump wouldn’t concede then lost and did exactly what she said he would do.
Your Trump hatred is a religion. I don’t like either party and question everything. You believe one side of everything and are what I consider gullible. I imagine you visit the same news sources everyday and read the same type stories on you feeds. The question is when people are manipulated do they even know it? I don’t think you do. Remember there are two sides to every story.
See? This is why nobody trusts or believes republicans anymore, fact just do not matter to you.
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Shall I go on?
It is not Trump HATRED that is the religion, because religion requires FAITH and the people who know what Trump is do not need faith, they have fact.
The real religion is the DTS members like you who will not (note I did not say cannot) deal with reality as it is, because to do so you would have to admit to being the same exact thing the German people were in the 1930’s. They also would not see what they were doing, instead of the real objective truth.
By the way, the ONLY limit I put on news sources is I do not take anything from far right wing websites like you have to. Mish can attest to that since. I stay open minded, while you say you do not believe in either party, I believe the truth and happiness lay between the two parties, but I will never support a man like Trump who is demonstrably evil and who is clearly mentally ill.
Unicorns don’t exist so there is no point in discussing Trump with you. I will say if the Dems sweep in November the outcome will be terrible. That 3.5T bill will be 6T.
Maybe you think Trump is so bad because you haven’t thought of the alternatives. How many wars would Hillary have started by now?
I think he is bad because he is a criminal. A pervert. A closet case Nazi. A psychopatic narccissist. His education is about the average you would find in your local Walmart. He lies – nothing he says can be trusted. His tactics include inciting hate and violence when that division WILL destroy America. And it is already too late most likely. But the real reason I will never support him is that his supporters are fascist pigs that have zero ethics, they are racists, and cheats. They think they are the brightest but they are actually the most pathetic sheep the world ever produced. They are haters that will choose their hatreds over any form of decency, kindness, honesty, or empathy.
“If you don’t vote for me you are not black”
“My son just paid off 450k and tax liens but he is broke and can’t pay child support.”
“I have no less than 4 women accusing me of sexual assault”
“If you don’t fire that prosecutor you are not getting that loan”
It’s sad how gullible you are. I could feed you all the information in the world but that would never change your view.
Trump is going to win in November BTW. Go help us if Biden wins. He can’t even spell his own name.
You are right I will not change my mind about supporting a Nazi crook and you will have to do a lot better than that because for every alleged flaw you can point out against Biden I can point out at least 5 of Trump’s and let us start with caging children. You are a brainwashed fascist yourself and I am not even going to bother trying to change YOUR mind because you do not have one.
You do realize the children in custody care free to go home at anytime right? All they have to say is “I want to go home” and they put them on a plane home.
Also that picture that was widely circulated was in 2014 under Obama. He caged the children.
Your world is a lie.
The lies are out there and you are doing most of them.
Under Obama UNACCOMPANIED minors were detained in these facilities and promptly deported, but a court put a stop to even that.
Since Trump took over FAMILIES with children are being sparated at the border and kids end up in these cages with no effort made to document them or repatriate them with parents.
My world may not be 100% perfectly honest with reality from time to time, but yours is an unending set of propaganda lies put out by Breitbart and the far right.
Trumps and your side of the political divide are no better and probably worse than the Nazis were in German in the 1930’s and you have DTS as bad as any who ever posted here.
I will summarize. Obama build the cages and caged kids but that’s ok because – well it’s just ok because I liked him. These kids can leave at anytime. All they have to do is ask to go home. They are not jailed they are detained in America for illegal entry. They just DON’T want to go home.
You get your news from social media. GET OFF SOCIAL MEDIA. You are being manipulated. The amount of emotion you carry is not health. Don’t get on it for a month and see it your life is better.
I do not do social media, I do not even have a facebook account. Your attempts to rationalize what Trump has done to little kids is sickening.
“He can’t even spell his own name.” is a bad way to follow “Go help us if Biden wins.”
Yeah go help us. Or is that an admission that ANYONE can make a typo?
Said it before and will say it again, Trump is evil and a Nazi and so are his supporters. If a ham sandwich was on the ballot against him I would vote for the sandwich. Trump is only fit for one more thing in life, and that is to remain in jail till he is no longer alive.
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ATROCITY KEY
– Sexual Misconduct, Harassment, & Bullying
– White Supremacy, Racism, Homophobia, Transphobia, & Xenophobia
– Public Statements / Tweets
– Collusion with Russia & Obstruction of Justice
– Trump Staff & Administration
– Trump Family Business Dealings
– Policy
– Environment
If the masks are the lightsaber against the virus, why can’t we just wear our masks to the voting booth.
We can and we will. Though I would not put it past Trump to demand that we not wear masks so we can be properly identified as the person in the photo ID. But like I said yesterday, if that fat assed orange spy makes it a requirement that we have to French kiss a Covid infected poll worker before we can vote I will still vote for Biden. Nothing as long as I am alive will stop me from voting Jabba the Trump out on his ass and into a jail cell.
Stop it with your logic.
If we could just wear mask then we wouldn’t need mail in voting witch means Trump would be a dictator for slowing the mail. It’s a big circle jerk. Logic not allowed.
29 long points listed above so someone can draw a simple cross mark in a square to elect someone they probably don’t like.
I’m just thankful I don’t vote.