Kremlin Says Military Action Will Stop ‘In a Moment’ If Ukraine Meets 3 Conditions

Three Conditions

  1. “We really are finishing the demilitarisation of Ukraine. We will finish it. But the main thing is that Ukraine ceases its military action. They should stop their military action and then no one will shoot.”
  2. “They should make amendments to the constitution according to which Ukraine would reject any aims to enter any bloc. This is possible only by making changes to the constitution.”
  3. “They should recognize that Crimea is Russian territory and that they need to recognize that Donetsk and Lugansk are independent states. And that’s it. It will stop in a moment,”

The above conditions were set by Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov according to Reuters.

Oil futures have been falling and as of about 7:00 AM central have given up about half their gains, still up about 5% as I type, down from a 10% spike when the market opened.

US bond yields had been flat, now they are up across the board with the 10-year note up 6 basis points, the 5-year note up about 5 basis points, and the  3-month yield up 4 basis points.

Gold which had spiked to $2007 is now at $1987 but that’s still up about $22. 

It’s difficult to say if futures moves are related to the Kremlin announcement or simply normal retracement.

Regardless, this is an out of the blue move by Putin who likely realizes he is in serious trouble with Ukrainian resistance and protests on the home front.

Addendum

Here is the likely oil retrace explanation

My 1:00 AM Tweet

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prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
The Russian conditions are hardly “out of the blue”. They have been requesting (2) and (3) for years now, met only with an arrogant silence by the US and the Zelensky puppet.
This is Washington’s war. They could have so easily averted it, but they wanted it.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
What country let’s another one tell them to rewrite their constitution…. And give up
A couple counties in the bargain. It’s a ridiculous request.
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
The US does this sort of thing all the time. Pay attention!
Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
Imagine if Ukraine became the worlds largest de-milerterized zone in the world. That would be a good thing.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
its what they were asking for last 12 years…..
Democrats are pushing this war by siding with a puppet actor, the actor could immediately end the death of many citizens by just agreeing to pretty simple terms……remain independent, stay away from NATO and recognize provinces that have not wanted to be part of Ukraine for over a decade or more. 
Biden is the worst president ever and now is going to crash the markets to levels many have never seen…..So are my calls have been dead on 
375 SPY is where you might get bullish, not before then. No wonder they wanted to get Trump out of there, he was going to end NATO for US in 2nd term….Nato, a military complex organization and nothing more
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
The cowardice… it burns!
Ron Cataldi
Ron Cataldi
4 years ago
No one should believe anything Putin says. He’s a liar, and has proven so repeatedly. 
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Ron Cataldi
Biden is more so but more coy
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
And therefore Ukraine should bite them pillow and take it? 
Rbm
Rbm
4 years ago
Ah remember when people were saying who cares if germany get its oil from russia.  Humm guess were all paying now.  
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago

“We really are finishing the demilitarisation of Ukraine. We will finish it. But the main thing is that Ukraine ceases its military action. They should stop their military action and then no one will shoot.”   

Doesn’t seem like Ukraine is ready to surrender.
———

Countries Flood Ukraine With Military Support After Zelensky’s Appeal

Updated: March 6, 2022

https://www.theepochtimes.com/here-are-the-countries-flooding-ukraine-with-military-support_4317496.html

Foreign Fighters Arrive in Ukraine to Repel Russian Invasion

Mar 4, 2022

At least 16,000 foreign nationals have volunteered to join an “international legion” created to resist Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, President Volodymyr Zelensky claimed, after Kiev lifted visa requirements for anyone willing to fight.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/news-roundup/foreign-fighters-arrive-in-ukraine-to-repel-russian-invasion/

Agave
Agave
4 years ago
Russian ruble at 150 to the dollar.
Ukraine must hold out as long as possible. Russia is attempting to reorder the international situation for the long term. We cannot let the emergence of autocratic kleptocracy take hold as an accepted primary form of governance vs. the free world.  So Russia must be stopped via arms supply to Ukraine and resistance, China held at bay, and trump charged for obstruction of justice for his coup attempt and other crimes, and prevented from holding future office. These are the big 3 pushing autocracy on the world.

“If Russia succeeds in Ukraine, if they accomplish their maximal objectives, then that’s a major dent in that order.

For a long time, if a state was going to do something
like this to a country, it had to come up with reasons that resonate
with the rest of international society. There’s really good research on
this by political scientists and historians showing how, even in the
previous political age, most countries, when they went to war, they
tried to find a reason that would somehow legitimate it in the eyes of
other interlocutors. Sometimes they even put off military operations and
waited for a time when it would look like they were really defending
themselves.

Russia has just blown this away completely. They’re
trying to get the world to believe that Ukraine, having sat there for
eight years, witnessing these breakaway republics, suddenly chose to
invade them and commit genocide against ethnic Russians, and that they
waited to do this until there were 170,000 Russian troops around their
country. You have to be a complete idiot to believe that.

So if they succeed here, if this use of force without any
justification is allowed to stand, then yes, the global order we’ve
lived under for 30 years will have taken a massive hit.”

StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Agave
“…they tried to find a reason that would somehow legitimate it in the eyes of other interlocutors.”
“Russia has just blown this away completely.”
So, America reacting to Mexico hosting potentially unlimited Russian and Chinese military personnel and equipment; pointed north; is somehow blowing something meaningful away completely??? But invading some dessert nation halfway around the world, just to watch it blow up, was not?????
I’m not trying to justify Russian aggression. Hope I don’t come across like trying to. But as far as aggression goes; one has to really work at bending over backwards (as well as simply bending over…), to dream up the fantasy that intervening in opposition to likely hostile military buildup on ONE’S BORDERS, is not, at a minimum, MORE “justified,” than doing so halfway around the world.
Back when the US still somewhat aspired to be a civilized country, the policy was No Entangling Alliances. Free trade with all. And even: No Standing Army. The latter being pretty much a requirement for this sort of invasions, which Russian leadership looks to be following in America’s footsteps engaging in. While not at all being a requirement for National Defense. That one being much more efficiently handled; as the Afghans keep reminding all comers; by rifles, rockets, bombs and warriors (and warrior breeding mothers) behind every blade of grass (or perhaps every barren rock, in their part of the word….)
Agave
Agave
4 years ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
My main objection is that they’re trying to take over Ukraine and install a puppet government, not just stop them from hosting someone else’s missiles, and are killing massive numbers of civilians and bombing indiscrimantly against a democratically elected sovereign government. Ukraine does not want or deserve this. Ukraine could agree to stay out of NATO, but Putin is a nonstop liar who might just come back another day, so that has issues too.
Putin wants to either subsume Ukraine completely and destroy its independence, or obliterate it. I want to give Ukraine all the support it needs short of direct NATO troops and flyers in Ukraine to stop this. Russia is bogging down badly – they want a deal in their favor before things turn much worse for them.
America has not been pure either, no question – but we don’t invade independent countries and install puppet governments of free democracies who aren’t attacking others. I was not for the Iraq war either – Saddam the butcher deserved to be deposed when all was said and done, but it was based on Bush and Cheney lies, so I did not support that invasion at the time.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  Agave
I saw some woman in Russia being interviewed who was saying that in school, they are taught that Kiev was considered the origin of Russia.  So the attack was an attack on themselves, which she said many were having trouble understanding. 
Jack
Jack
4 years ago
Reply to  Jojo
The Swedish Vikings moved east when the Norwegian Vikings went west.
They formed the Kiev Rus kingdom centered in Kiev and then moved to conquer their Slavic and Baltic neighbors.
If you go by history, Moscow should be ruled from Ukraine.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Agave
your hilarious, sheep thinking for sure. We installed the puppet govt. Obama in 2014 with Blinken and Biden by his side. Now Biden is pressing the issue. He wants war to make up for his lousy no good record. He is the pale white horse
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  StukiMoi
The US wrongly invading countries in no way justifies Anybody invading anything. This little brother logic is pathetic.
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
I doesn’t. Invasions aren’t justified. This one isn’t. Iraq wasn’t And neither was the North’s invasion of the South 150 years ago. They simply aren’t justified.
And furthermore: Since they aren’t, and we’re being logical today; neither is building and maintaining even the ability to undertake them. That capability, is the root of the evil, since once it is there, it it only a matter of time before it ends up being (ab)used.
I’m just surprised at how vehemently members of hysterics-no-longer-even-botering-to-be-anonymous keeps insisting that there is something all that unusually terrible about this particular, rather run-of-the-mill, invasion. As if all the other ones, going back to Babylon or something, weren’t somehow at least as unjustified.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Agave
hilarious satire, are you completely insane or just a sheep?
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Judging from these comments – I am glad I went back to bed
Watched the futures go from very red to nearly green with gold and oil the opposite and here we are nearly back to 1:00 AM except oil 
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
The trillion dollar question is:

Will Ukraine be able to plant their crops this year?  If not, well, let’s just not think about it.

They account for nearly 20% of world wheat exports.  If that goes missing, well, you can imagine the consequences.

Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
Spring planting season is soon and with price high and going higher farmers will plant wheat like crazy.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Which farmers?
Switching from one crop to another is not just like you planting something different in your back yard. In addition to the right soil/climate you also need the right irrigation in place, you need the right combines to plant/harvest and you need the right storage/shipping methods. If you don’t have all that, you can’t switch crops. Most large farms are specialized now.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Farmers change crops all the time. Those who live in marginal areas have a tougher time of it but those who have good land and water can easily plant more wheat and they will. 
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
Lots of people get to live gluten free then.
ColoradoAccountant
ColoradoAccountant
4 years ago
Russia has land and most of the world’s remaining resources.  Putin may just be trying to get the oil price above Russia’s breakeven.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago

Putin is completely untrustworthy. Anything he or his representatives say are all part of his ongoing plan. They’re stalling tactics, relying on everyone’s desperation for peace so he can regroup before commencing the next stage of his project, wherever that is. 

Jackula
Jackula
4 years ago
Seems like a reasonable set of demands, if this continues much longer nobody wins. Those highest on the food chain will fall the furthest.
astroboy
astroboy
4 years ago
Reply to  Jackula
A realistic set of demands, anyway. Russia would never tolerate a Western-oriented or NATO-allied Ukraine. The West has little to gain and a great deal to lose by incorporating Ukraine into its sphere of influence. Yeah, that sucks for the Ukrainians but so does this war. Obama/Hilary/Biden should have been happy with a neutralist Ukraine rather than tampering with Ukrainian politics. I guess Hunter needed the money. Seriously, remind me never to put Hunter on my payroll, it obviously was a complete waste of money……
Scenarios like Putin being ousted or Russia suffering a real military defeat are basically impossible, unless one is OK with NATO getting involved and hence a real risk of WW III. If Ukraine doesn’t settle for this the BEST realistic outcome is loosing half their country and a low grade war that goes on forever. There are plenty that are a lot worse. Too bad, that’s the reality of the situation. 
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Any deal now should include the fall of the Russian government and new elections there overseen by the UN along with Putin being tried for war crimes. 
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
I’m sure Putin would agree to that.
Jojo
Jojo
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
The Ides of March approach.  Putin might beware of history.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Nobody cares what Putin will agree to.
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
Before Putin, Bush Jr must be sued for war crimes (much more war crimes).
Anon1970
Anon1970
4 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
The US does not recognize the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court.
JRM
JRM
4 years ago
Reply to  Anon1970
Yet we do when its against every other country in the world..
HUGE DOUBLE STANDARD!!!
Amnesty has filed “WAR CRIMES” against every US president since BUSH SR, yet we ignore those charges!!!
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
My understanding is no one can really buy Russian oil:
Why Russian oil can’t find buyers even as crude soars above $100 a barrel
Last Updated: March 4, 2022 at 9:22 a.m. ET
First Published: March 3, 2022 at 5:52 p.m. ET

Call it a “buyers strike” or “self-sanctioning,” but Russian crude is being shunned in the physical market even as a scramble for barrels sends oil futures to their highest levels in years.

“The current central bank sanctions and selective SWIFT action is causing major risk aversion by key market participants,” said Helima Croft, head of global commodity strategy at RBC Capital Markets, in a Thursday note.

The U.S. and its allies have imposed tough sanctions on major Russian banks, blocking them from the crucial SWIFT interbank messaging service, and have also targeted the nation’s central bank. The efforts are aimed at effectively ejecting Russia from the global financial system in response to Vladimir Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine.

However, they have so far included carve-outs for Russia’s energy exports amid worries over surging inflation.

Nevertheless, energy companies, trading houses, shipping companies, and banks have all backed away from the Russian energy business, Croft noted, adding that the country’s “already staggering” export losses could hit 3 million to 4 million barrels a day if Western powers follow through and impose the sort of energy-focused “secondary sanctions” that were aimed at Iran.

News reports have noted the struggle to clear Russian crude in the physical market. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-03/oil-trader-trafigura-offers-russia-urals-at-new-record-discount Thursday that commodity-trading giant Trafigura Group offered to sell a cargo of Russia’s flagship Urals crude at a record discount of $22.70 to Dated Brent, a global benchmark for physical oil transactions, but received no bids.

Oil futures ended lower Thursday after the U.S. benchmark https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/future/CL.1?mod=MW_story_quote hit a nearly 14-year intraday high of $116.57 a barrel in early trade. Brent crude https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/future/BRN00?countryCode=UK&mod=MW_story_quote also finished lower after hitting a session high at $119.84 a barrel, its highest since 2014.

Meanwhile, a growing premium for nearby oil futures contracts over later months — a phenomenon known as backwardation in commodities trading lingo — underlines how worried traders are about the ability to secure crude in the near term.

The premium for May Brent over the contract for delivery nine months later temporarily topped $20 a barrel, a level not seen since the 1990s, noted Edoardo Campanella, an economist at UniCredit Bank in Milan.

That geopolitical risk premium takes into account not only the risk of damage to oil facilities due to military action or potential Western sanctions, but also reflects soaring insurance costs to ship Russian oil. He observed that freight rates for oil coming out of both the Black Sea and Baltic sea more than tripling over the space of a few days as crude-oil buyers struggled to find shippers willing to send vessels into Russian ports (see chart below).

UNICREDIT

“This is part of a broader phenomenon of ‘self-sanctioning,’” he wrote. “Market participants are simply refusing to deal in Russian oil, even if Western governments allow it within the sanctions they have imposed on Russia in response to its invasion of Ukraine.”

The possibility of energy-specific sanctions, meanwhile, can’t be ruled out as the war rages on, said RBC’s Croft.

“Such punitive measures would curtail buying by India and China, with their refiners being forced to choose between accessing U.S. capital markets and doing business with Russia,” she said. “Though concerns about inflation are running extremely high in Washington, we believe the energy carve-outs could soon prove untenable as the Russian conduct of the war grows more gruesome and the civilian toll climbs.”

MPO45
MPO45
4 years ago
Lots of interesting comments and IMHO many miss the point.  Perhaps a bit of history is in order.
Ultimately, Russia, Europe, United States, Australia, UK, Japan, and China all have aging populations and need new territory and people to grow their economies to maintain empire status.  The mediocrity of the Russian invasion re-enforces the idea that Russia has horrible and weak demographics.  It has an aging population and can’t afford to send young me to die off in wars anymore than the US can which is why we have this grand standing tango on all sides.   No wonder Russia is asking Syrians to act as fresh fodder.
Since no one wants to migrate to Russia then better invade and annex territory.  Gee, I wonder why China wants Taiwan.   It was no different centuries ago when colonization took place and it is no different now except people are getting really tired of it on all sides and the global resource pie is getting smaller and smaller each decade. 
Want to know the future?   Crunch the numbers, it’s all about demographics (economy, resources, land, food, water).    A prudent investor should already be positioned for the next big thing.
Felix_Mish
Felix_Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  MPO45
I agree with you about population being very, very important.
That said, “aging populations -> expand”?!?     “Younging population -> expand” sounds more likely. Or even, “no-pop-change -> expand”.
Russia/Ukraine seems to be mostly driven by “let’s all Russians get together in one, separate nation”. After that? Well, that’s a far bridge to cross. Given the nature of people on the Russian-Chinese border, emphasizing nation-state/ethnicity equivalence seems a bit risky for Russia down the road.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Regardless, this is an out of the blue move by Putin who likely realizes he is in serious trouble with Ukrainian resistance and protests on the home front.
This time no one is going to bail him out like they did in 2014. Remember Biden favored sending weapons into Crimea while Obama did not. Biden told Obama it would come back to haunt the US and it has. Biden is not going to stop sending weapons to Ukraine and this time Putin will need to resign and a new government in Russia will need to be formed as a pre-condition for the West to stop. 
Billy
Billy
4 years ago
In February and March of 2014 Russia attacked and took over Crimea. The world stood there and watched and no one helped with their military. 8 years later after Russia built up their military again they are doing the same thing in Ukraine.
Meanwhile it seems that everyone is still supporting this war by buying Russian oil.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  Billy
Yeah I’m sure Putin will just stop at Ukraine this time around. 
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
of course he will ….WHY wouldn’t he ?
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Got your iodine pills? I am serious.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Because the states that surround his new one will be scary, same reason he invaded Ukraine.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Billy
Do some homework before posting nonsense ; the Russians did NOT attack Crimea, they were already there, as Crimea has been it s naval base for ages ….A referendum decided that Crimeans wanted to be part of Russia (85%)….. So Russia simply took back what was once a gift to Ukraine …before it had stupid NATO and fn EU ambitions….   
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels

The Kenyan ambassador to the UN explains that problem very well.  

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofijY6M-OA8            
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Simplifying your post, the active noun-verb combination is in your final sentence: “…Russia …took…”. You argue that they didn’t take it, and then turn around and admit that they did. The sole reason they didn’t “attack” is that they didn’t have to because there was no defense, so they simply took it. 
All they wanted to do this time was to “take Ukraine”, but “Ukraine doesn’t seem to want to be taken.
Anon1970
Anon1970
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
The Russian Empire took over Crimea back in 1783 ,when the American southwest was still part of Mexico.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Billy
The Russian oil and gas will be cut off completely soon. It’s 10% of the world’s oil but we have seen that much disappear before and survived. Rusia will have no revenue except what will bleed through China after they take a big cut.
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Billy
Crimea is russian and has always been, the US under Obozo installed the puppet govt. to show love to the military complex that hated him. Biden and Blinken were part of that coup. Hunter did more corrupt things in Ukraine in 2 years than Putin has done in 30……
sheep are everywhere
Jack
Jack
4 years ago
230,000 Indigenous Crimean Tartars were deported in 1946, as well as 14,300 Greeks, 12,075 Bulgarians, and about 10,000 Armenians.
The Russians do this and repopulate areas.
The Russians agreed to Crimea staying with Ukraine in 1991 when Ukraine was formed.
The Russians agreed to this again in a 1997 treaty with Ukraine.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago

Kooks are always bleating about sheep, and for some weird reason, covered in wool.

FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Billy
you are so bloody ignorant man , can’t believe m fckn eyes 
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
the US will tell its corrupt basket case pawn not to agree with anything……War is big business for the US !    
Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
One thing I have noticed about this incident is that Russia has magically cured Covid.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  Christoball
Covid was winding down already, just like everyone said it would. Had nothing to do with the tantrums.
Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
It took Covid off the news
QTPie
QTPie
4 years ago
Why should Ukraine demilitarize? If anything, the past several weeks have proven that they need a much stronger military!
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  QTPie
Agree. I think it is time to let Putin keep fighting and not stop. The point now is to bring down Putin and the Russian government. 
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
are you a dope sheep?
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
I see this an encouraging. The sooner this war ends and things return to normal, the better.
ZZR600
ZZR600
4 years ago

The war could end today but the repercussions of what just happened will
last 20+ years.

Russia-West relations will take forever to heal, regardless of the need for
Russian oil or commodities. Sanctions will likely remain for a very long time.
Any countries holding large reserves of foreign currency now know they are in
effect worthless and cannot be relied upon when needed. Defence budgets will
grow, requiring additional deficit spending during already record breaking
deficits.   Just as the world split between pro and anti Covid
vaccination, and pro and anti-mask wearing, we are now faced with a pro (or at
least tolerant of) Russia and anti-Russia split in countries.

Anything less than a full acceptance of Russian conditions by Ukraine will
be seen as a loss by Russia, as their sunk costs are now enormous. The
reputation of the Russian armed forces is in tatters, which may impact Russia’s
ability to export weapons. Putin is now an international pariah; will this
result in an internal revolution and all the implications of that?

As I see it, as much as the suffering of Ukraine
is disgraceful, a Russia that loses this war is far more dangerous than a
Russia which ‘wins’ (in the sense that such a war can never be really ever
won). I sincerely hope this war ends quickly with the least amount of
bloodshed, but I don’t see it happening anytime
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  ZZR600
I have a completely different view. This will encourage peace between Russia and Europe and I think Europe will move closer to Russia and away from NATO and the US. Much of Europe blames much of this conflict on the US pushing Ukraine to join NATO.
ZZR600
ZZR600
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I very much doubt it. There is now a huge level of distrust and the media are certainly whipping up the hysteria. It would require for NATO to completely reassess its reason for its existence and for Russia to change it’s leadership and its penchance for autocracy. Neither will likely happen
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  ZZR600
Do you think most of the world trusts the US? They don’t. The only reason countries don’t state it publicly is out of fear.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Yet you worship the obese moron that lied to everyone about everything.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Few in Europe now want anything to do with Russia whether it be business, cultural or scientific. They are veiwed as being highly untrustworthy.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Oh Brother. For most of European history, Russia has been the country under attack. Not the attacker. Germany, France, and England have been the aggressors.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Yes  but Russia must learn to live peacefully with it’s neighbors which is something the other European countries have learned to do. Also frankly Russia has done its own good amont of invading so using the “poor Russia always getting invaded” meme is bulls..t.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Russia has lived peacefully. They invaded Ukraine and Georgia because of western expansion. Imagine in a few years. The war is over and the US continues to provoke Russia. Europe is going to get fed up with it. They’re the ones taking all the risk and have nothing to gain by pushing Russia. I can easily see Germany breaking ties with the US and forming an alliance with Russia and China. Once Germany does this, all of mainland Europe will follow. And the US will be left with no foothold in Eurasia. it will be game over for the US.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
That’s not living peacefully. Look, Russia has always had a problem making friends of their neighbors but it’s time they learned. Many other countries have and it works but somehow Russians always falls back on the “we were invaded so we are justified in invading” bull. Germany chose and it is not with Russia because neither with Russia and even less with China does Germany have an affinity beyond some business ties. Germans and Europeans in general look with revulsion what Russia is doing to Ukraine. It brings back memories of a former times that no one wants to see come back. They will do everything to stop it. Everything! I would say that Europe in this is more militant that the US in some ways.
Jack
Jack
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Disagree. How did Russia become so big without conflict?
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
That can only happen if Putin steps down and Russia forms a new government.  NATO is actually stronger now than it was a few weeks ago. Finland and Norway are now considering joining NATO. 
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
You have to wait for the dust to settle. Of course everyone is anti Putin a few weeks after he started a war. Saying anything pro Putin now would be insane. Similar to speaking out in favor of police in the summer of 2020. But, now 2 years later wokeness is out of favor. In the short term NATO will be great. Russia will be evil. But long term, it makes a hell of a lot of sense for Germany to ally with Russia instead of being an adversary. And I don’t think Germany will forget that Biden said he would stop NS2 with or without German approval. While the German Chancellor was standing next to him. Must have been utterly humiliating.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
” But long term, it makes a hell of a lot of sense for Germany to ally with Russia instead of being an adversary. And I don’t think Germany will forget that Biden said he would stop NS2 with or without German approval. While the German Chancellor was standing next to him. Must have been utterly humiliating.”
Agreed. For my 2 cents the 2014 sanctions were senseless just as the current sanctions are. 
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Upvoting  your own posts impresses nobody.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
It was actually me. You can take some shots at me but the underlying logic of that  post makes sense.
TCW
TCW
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I don’t think folks will be rushing toward an army that’s willing to shell civilians.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn

I’ve seen you write dozens of dumb things, but you’ve outdone yourself today! You win Kook of the Month!

FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  ZZR600
People forget easily ….Look at Japan after you nuked the sh it of them ; loyal ‘frends’ …..Even the Vietnamese  love you,  forgot about napalm bombs etc….  see what I mean ? 
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
….and agent orange I forgot to add …..No war criminal like the US of A …..Yes we will love Russia again, especially when we can do business again….after we give the US of A the final kick in the a ss
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  FromBrussels
Oh boo hoo hooo. People are mean to Russia… boo boo hoo.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Zardoz
IDIOT
honestcreditguy
honestcreditguy
4 years ago
Reply to  ZZR600
actually Russia would not have done nothing if Trump was allowed to win 2nd term as he would pull out of NATO and that is why he lost….military complex wants those baltic states buying weapons……why is so hard for adult sheep to understand
thimk
thimk
4 years ago
Russia has been cancelled . tip in on native Russian v logger boots on the ground  . Good summary .  New “iron curtain” in  the making ?
az_dirt
az_dirt
4 years ago
Here are Ukranian demands for Russia:
Russia leaves all occupied territories worldwide
Russia pays for all damages
Kaliningrad will become EU territory
Karelia returns to Finland
Russia signs peace with Japan and returns islands
All Russian leadership to the Hague ICJ
Russia demilitarises
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  az_dirt
I would add new elections in Russia overseen by the UN. If Putin cannot finish what he started, then the consequences should go all the way back to Moscow and free the Russian people once and for all from his grip on them.  
StukiMoi
StukiMoi
4 years ago
“…Free the Russian people once and for all from his grip on them. “
Did you ever consider that, perhaps…., supervillains don’t really exist?
Putin’s a 70 year old dude. The Kremlin is huge. Russia huger still. Putin’s been around for awhile, so no doubt has a few “friends,” as well as favors he can call in. But like all tips of icebergs, he’s not really all that fearsome all by himself; without the rest of the icebergs’ mass moving along in generally the same direction as him.
Ukraine as a Nato member, especially now that Nato is increasingly having to justify themselves through aggressive belligerence as they lose relevance and stature, was always going to be a major concern for Russia. No Mean, Macho, scary, whatever… Putin about it. America’s response to Russian nukes on Cuba, wasn’t some sort of maverick JFK-only thing …..
indc
indc
4 years ago
Reply to  az_dirt
I dont know if ukraine is losing yet. But from what I see it will be completely leveled real soon. I dont think loser can have demands.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  indc
Russia is losing as well.  They are seeing troops killed, their economy crushed, civilians arrested, and their internet disrupted. Does that mean they can’t have demand, either? Perhaps both sides will just go home, then.
Jack
Jack
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
This is often when belligerents end a conflict. Not when someone loses or wins, but when both sides want to stop.
whirlaway
whirlaway
4 years ago
The MIC and their media buddies will never allow any kind of peace talks or even cease fire to take place.   If Putin offers to negotiate, they will say it shows he is weak and losing, and we can finish him off.   If he doesn’t offer to negotiate, then he will say he is such a monster and so, we have to keep fighting him.
Casual_Observer2020
Casual_Observer2020
4 years ago
Reply to  whirlaway
The negotiation can start with him turning himself in to the Hague. That is the first pre-condition. 
Bohm-Bawerk
Bohm-Bawerk
4 years ago
He has dropped the demand of regime change (‘denazification’ in his words), might be enough to get a compromise.  Though I think the Ukrainians still want to pull everyone into this war, so they may stand tough and refuse.  Depends on what the Ukrainian government is being told through the back channels and whether they think help from the west is coming or not.
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
Reply to  Bohm-Bawerk
No, I think that ‘denazification’ is not regime change. It’s complete destruction of nazi milices.
Dutoit
Dutoit
4 years ago
I think that a likely outcome would be the rebirth of the old Novorossia (which corresponds almost exactly to the part of today’s Ukraine where Russian language is dominant). The other part would be the old (and true) Ukraine.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Dutoit
That’s my feeling as well.
Columbo
Columbo
4 years ago
For humanitarians sake (human suffering) and neutral status like Finland and Sweden (less the E.U.) the Ukrainians should take the deal. They can become a democratic independent country and keep the vital ports to the south. 
BDR45
BDR45
4 years ago
President Putin “realizes he is in serious trouble with Ukraine resistance”…….Really Mish?  In my opinion,  Ukrainian leaders should accept his offer and thank their lucky stars. If accepted and accomplished, it will save many Ukrainian and Russian lives, preserve expensive infrastructure, and bring a sense of closure to the populace in Ukraine.  NOT to mention, the reduction of risk of a nuclear war. 
Mish
Mish
4 years ago
Reply to  BDR45
What makes you trust Putin?
Columbo
Columbo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
You call their bluff, if that’s what you think. Get the agreements in writing and after that it becomes Ronald Reagan’s famous saying “trust but verify.”
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  Mish
Quite, he said consistently he had no intention of invading.
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
Reply to  BDR45
If you believe his offer then you must believe that unicorns exist.  His offer isn’t anything but a mirage.
indc
indc
4 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
Why dont you think his offer is reasonable, is it because he is a madman?
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
Reply to  indc
He is “offering” to take the most industrialized section of Ukraine and therefore their wealth.

It’s also the most strategic.
Furthermore, Ukraine has become a very patriotic country, and nearly all of the citizenry there love the country.  It’s a plain myth that those regions wanted to succeed anymore than SOCAL wants to create it’s own country or join with Mexico.

The claims being made are nonsense.

His offer is to partition Ukraine taking the most valuable parts for himself.  It’s absolutely insane.

Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  BDR45
That’s what they said about crimea, and now look what’s happening.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Yes of course. Total surrender and the fighting stops. No one; least of all the Ukrainians believe a word Putin says. If he wants Ukraine he will have to conquer it and he doesn’t have the resources to do that. Every day the war continues, Russia gets weaker.
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
The thing is, it isn’t total surrender. Ukraine would stay an independent country, and would have lost only the areas they had already lost before the invasion. They would regain control over all the areas which the Russians have taken in this invasion, and would, like Finland did years ago, have established that it would be a bad idea for Russia to ever try to invade them again. The requirement notably does not require them to de-militarize, so they can build up a formidable army – it just can’t be part of NATO.
The end result would be a more armed, larger, and more closely allied NATO than ever before, a loosely allied, heavily armed Ukraine that hates Russia with a passion, and a Russia that has been chastened. The one change I would like to see is that I think Russia should pay reparations for the damage they have caused.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
No one pays reparations any more so that’s a non-starter.
Also pretty sure that Ukraine re-arming itself would just lead to a repeat and increase the chances that it gets really ugly (nuclear).
Carl_R
Carl_R
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Seriously, if there is a peace treaty of some sort, and it prohibits Ukraine from joining NATO, I would see them following in the footsteps of Finland. Finland has long been neutral, but they are not hippie-pacifists. They are prepared to defend themselves.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Carl_R
The problem is that Putin will not keep his word and that if Russia gives a promise no one will believe. If on the other hand he stops fighting and pulls back his forces then we have a basis for negociations.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Negotiations require believing one’s word, as to an eventual agreement. You are saying there is no basis for negotiations.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
Correct. 
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  RonJ
And he’s correct.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
OK Nostradamus. You somehow know Putin won’t keep his word.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Do you know somehow that he will?
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I never said Putin would. I don’t claim to be able to see into the future.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
And every day the war continues, unrest will increase in the West/world. Gas prices just reached $5 a gallon here in Florida, almost 6 now in California. Shortages in food are guaranteed by the summer if Wheat is not planted. It’s easy to say the West will remain strong but as the poor in the Western countries and around the world stop being able to afford food, gas etc social unrest will increase (see the Arab Spring in 2011 only on a scale that includes Europe and America). No one knows exactly when the breaking point in the West will be, but it will happen eventually and probably much sooner than people think (remember there is an election here in the US in the fall and the party in power would presumably like to remain so).
On the Russian side, most of us believe Putin can’t afford failure. That means eventually he will have to resort to taking off the kid gloves and either starve the local population by cutting off all food/water/fuel or go the nuclear route (one bomb, even a small one would instantly cause Ukrainian surrender lest there be a 2nd, 3rd etc). Remember we dropped 2 in Japan to shorten a war…
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
I don’t  believe Putin would ever drop the bomb.  Of course, I was wrong when I mused to my wife that I didn’t believe he’d actually full scale invade Ukraine, yet here we are.

I’m quite confident that the bomb would be a red line that other nations would never tolerate.  How that would play out I do not know, since if we bomb Russia they bomb us, but the bomb red line would be horrible for humanity.

Let’s hope Putin is not that crazy, but I have my doubts.

TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  dbannist
Not all Nukes are the kind that destroy cities. There are plenty of tactical nukes meant for smaller operations (ie fired from artillery shells). I’d imagine the first one used would be against the Ukrainian military.
At the moment I think the bigger possibility is ‘accidental’ damage to one of the many nuclear plants in the Ukraine that leads to another Chernobyl or worse. The longer things drag on the higher the chance something goes wrong.
dbannist
dbannist
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
That’s true, but if you mention that Putin set off a nuke the cancel culture kicks in and demands governments do something.

Nukes aren’t the worst thing that could happen.  When the US bombed Tokyo during WWII we killed far far more people than the two bombs ever did, yet no one knows about it.  Nuclear bombs are literally HOT topics for the media.

And then there is the radiation….

Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
Yes we know. Putin chose total war and expects the West to be so frightened that they will do what he wants but that is not happening. We are taking off our gloves also. There are also a lot of Russians that will be economically crushed and an already unpopular war will not rally them. They will break before we do because we have more resources and are much better at using them. Russia started the 2022 with a just a couple of small security actions and trading with everybody. Now they have a major war that is taking up 75% of their military that is not doing well, 70% of their trade, companies and banks are sanctioned. They are technically in default which allows their outside assets to be frozen and used for reparations. For Russia 2022 looks like 1941 for Germany. If Putin’s plan is the nuclear route that plan will probably not make those around them happy at all and like in the US one person cannot send a strike.
TexasTim65
TexasTim65
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
No one knows who will break first until it happens. Both sides could go on much longer than either side or anyone expects. A lot depends on how strong governmental control is over the population (ie put down protests/riots or suppress them from the news etc). The Russians endured conditions we can’t even imagine in WWII.
The West is a whole lot of disjointed countries. Some will hang on much longer than others can.
Roadrunner12
Roadrunner12
4 years ago
Reply to  TexasTim65
“Shortages in food are guaranteed by the summer if Wheat is not planted. It’s easy to say the West will remain strong but as the poor in the Western countries and around the world stop being able to afford food, gas etc social unrest will increase”
Food is definitely a wild card coming up. According to Yara CEO, food shortages are a real possibility due to fertilizer shortages. I suspect no fertilizer shortages in North America but fertilizer costs will be up. Meanwhile CP a major railroad company in Canada will be hit by a strike March 16. Generally the pattern for railroad strikes has been for a strike to last a few weeks and then get legislated back to work. I dont believe with all that is going on, supply chains, fertilizer and food shortages possible that a strike should happen and I would hope for it to be resolved before a strike. Nutrien pushing on govt to stop strike.
“The world is facing the prospect of a dramatic shortfall in food production as rising energy prices cascade through global agriculture, the CEO of Norwegian fertilizer giant https://fortune.com/company/yara-international says”.

“About 3,000 workers at Canadian Pacific Railway Ltd. voted in favour of going on strike March 16 if a collective bargaining agreement isn’t reached, according to their union. That would impact Nutrien’s ability to move potash, nitrogen and other crop chemicals to retail locations across Canada just ahead of spring planting, the company said in an email.

Without such products, harvests could be reduced when food prices are soaring. The fertilizer supply chain is still “reeling” from impacts of everything from COVID-19 to sanctions on Belarus and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Nutrien said. Crop nutrient prices are at all-time highs amid concerns about shortfalls.

“The global food supply is already stretched and cannot afford further negative impacts at this time,” the company said Wednesday in a statement. “We would be very disappointed to see a labor dispute have such a significant impact on global agricultural supply chains, and consequently, we would hope that the Canadian government will consider intervening to avert another transportation crisis.”

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