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Largest Intraday Market Swing in a Year, What’s Going On?

The S&P 500 Swing

  • From 4652.94 to 4510.27 is a swing of 142.67 points.
  • In percentage terms, the top to bottom swing was about 3.1% 

No only did stocks reverse today but so did bonds, especially at the long end of the curve.

Intraday Bond Swing 30-Year

30-Year Bond Swing Synopsis

  • The high today was 1.836%, up 5.6 basis points from yesterday.
  • The low today was 1.741%, down 3.9 basis points. 
  • The yield is just off the low now at 1.745%. 

Warning From Powell

Yesterday I commented Stocks Decline as Powell Warns of Higher Inflation and Accelerated QE Tapering

The stock market reaction is what I would have expected on the above news.

The bond market reaction is far more interesting. Yields at the long end tumbled and rose in the middle.

Given news that the fed would taper (end QE expansion) sooner and then start hiking rates sooner, one would have expected a stock market decline (and been correct).

But if the economy was strengthening, bond yields would normally go up across the board. They didn’t. 

Something Bothering Mr. Market?

Michael Lebowitz asks the key question. 

What’s Going On?

  1. Something is bothering Mr. Market. Omicron?
  2. Powell’s recent Hawkishness?
  3. Maybe extreme valuations are finally catching up with reality.

I strongly vote for door number three. 

Anyone with an ounce of sense understands the market is immensely overvalued but the Greater Fool’s Game is enormous (thanks of course to the Fed and unwarranted stimulus).

Trigger Discussion

Fed Chases Its Own Tale (Tail Too)

No Escape

Powell and Omicron are the rationalization excuses. “Hook” is a better word that will keep many people in.

Of course, there is no escape in aggregate. 

Individual investors can sell and go to cash, but in aggregate there is no escape from whatever will happen.

For every seller there is a buyer. Someone must hold every share 100% of the time. The same applies to Bitcoin, bonds, and gold, however high or low the market gets.

The the bigger a fund the harder it is to do anything but sit. 

Relentless Yield Curve Flattening

I am watching the Relentless Flattening of the Yield Curve

Recession Watch

This flattening is signaling recession, but the timing is very unclear.  

If the economy was strengthening, yields at the long end would be rising. 

The only inversion is between the 20-year at 1.85% vs the 30-year at 1.78%. 

I expect the 10-year will invert with the 7-year next. Currently the spread is positive by 7 basis points with the 10-year yield at 1.43% and the 7-year at 1.36%. 

A Word About Fed Models

Inflation models are worse than useless. They make central banks complacent.

For discussion of the Fed’s useless economic models please see How Bad are Inflation Models, Expectations, and Forecasts vs Reality?

For a discussion of dot plots of rates hikes expected by the Fed, please see my September 22 post Fed Anticipates Rate Hikes in 2022 and 2023 – Fade This Consensus

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Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
This could probably be posited more elegantly with a set of differential equations, but have you ever pushed an engine beyond what it can take?  It starts to shudder with increasing amplitude, right before it goes “BANG! Kerwhacketawhacketawhaketa”, starts smoking, and dies.
These market swings are the shudder.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Decided to add Carbon Streaming Corporation. OTC, Canadian, thinly traded small cap. Highly speculative, but it’s a carbon credit play.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Is that the board of directors in the picture on their web page? They seem to be on top of things. 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Didn’t see the picture. The Board looks heavy with resource sector people, and the officers look to be younger investment bankers, some with streaming experience in the resource sector. The usual bunch of Canadian entrepreneurs, in other words.
FromBrussels
FromBrussels
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
You got to know when to hold ‘m , know when to fold ‘m, know when to walk away, know when to run….
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
Only 6bps separate 7yr note from 10yr note.
Got Popcorn?
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
I’m  going to go out on a limb and predict OPEC votes to stay on track with the promised production increases, which might take oil down to 60 bucks. But I don’t think it matters in the longer term. Popping popcorn and waiting for the word from Twitter.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Mebbe I wuz wrong. Oil& Gas getting the green light now on no news. Somebody is getting more bullish for some reason.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
“What’s Going On?”
Try Door #4.  The Periphery (Emerging Markets) have been taking a beating, especially a handful of currencies.  All not well in China.  All this will wash ashore at some point.  Not saying this sole reason for todays move, but plays a factor.
Remember – always – to take satellite view, not just US centric. 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Dollar Milkshake Theory also applies.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
DMT works only so long as the rest of the world puts up with it. There are viable alternatives for an international currency–maybe some crypto variants, however, they are in the most part too volatile. Gold has the stability to be a universal unit of exchange, (and has the history) and is already held by central banks as a store of value.  Wanna bet BIS would be already headed that way if not for the deficit financing problem?
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
The reason I still read ZH is because of articles like this one. Very interesting action.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Or this one…
A family has to sue in order to get ivermectin treatment to save a life. What kind of fascist regime are we living in?
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I’d read that, the hospital’s actions ( or staff ) were deplorable if it’s as reported.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Yes, I read that. I also have been following what’s going on with Paul Marik. I think the full-court press on Ivermectin in the US by Big Pharma is a horrible mistake, personally.
RonJ
RonJ
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Medical totalitarianism.
Hospitals rigidly conform to the PREP Act protocol. For one, it is incentivized treatment. The government pays X amount for various
elements within the official protocol. Secondly, the hospital is protected from liability for any harm potentially caused by Remdesivir or ventilators, in following the protocol. Hospitals do not dare to deviate from the PREP Act protocol, even when there is nothing for the patient to lose by trying something not in the protocol.
Zardoz
Zardoz
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Indeed… let them huff bleach too, if they can pay for it.  Suppressing natural selection has only bitten us on the butt.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
The question is, when the retail have filled their boots, will the institutional community re-enter the market? 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
Hedge funds won’t stay in bonds very long, I don’t think. They almost have to buy something. I think they’re stupid for not buying energy and carbon credits. I bought CC’s this morning on weakness.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
I enjoy ZH, but there is a load of crap you need to wade thru.  If I can’t verify some of their sensational stuff, I toss out.
My biggest peeve with the Tyler Durden(s) is their bias that interest rates will head higher.  They are so clueless that some times they breathlessly claim “stocks and bonds slammed”.  When what happened is that yields have dropped (therefore red on their screen) … which is a very good thing for bonds.
From comments here and everywhere else, I would say 80% to 90% of folks don’t understand the bond market (treasuries).  At all.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
Reasonable POV, Mr. Bennett. I concur. I will be the first to admit that my understanding of the bond market is the weakest area of my financial knowledge. I do read guys like you and Mish and try to learn though. I am not unteachable.   🙂
On interest rates heading higher…..I don’t think it will happen without some kind of real credit market melt-down first that changes everything we hold as probable. I favor the Japanification theory. Ever see the movie Wrist Cutters? Like the Afterlife in that movie, our future is going to be  like the present, but just sh!ttier.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
“On interest rates heading higher…..I don’t think it will happen without some kind of real credit market melt-down first that changes everything we hold as probable.”
You are a quick learner.  At SOME point there will be a new “Bretton Woods”.  While I do love bonds – and have for a long time.  The worm will turn.  Deflationary Asset Bust first.  My clearing the deck of bonds in not too distant future ( < 2 years).  Reassess.  Likely hard assets.  I’m a landlord (commercial) among other things.  Looking forward to attractive entry point.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Tony Bennett
The problem is ‘when’ the SHTF-market-meltdown occurs. Everyone thinks they can get out in time, yet they have no way of knowing when that is about to occur, so they can exit beforehand. What this means is a massive dump when the balloon pops. The smart move is to be positioned in advance to minimize the damage, ideally to come out ahead.
Holding long term bonds at near zero yields invites loss of principal.  At near-zero, the distribution of possible interest rates is heavily skewed to the right–higher rates are probable. I see a return to ‘normative’ rates where yield rewards risk taking, a positive real rate, and inflation compensation. What we have now is the Fed Farce, and contrived markets on life support.
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
 “I see a return to ‘normative’ rates where yield rewards risk taking, a positive real rate, and inflation compensation.”
Not until the Big Flush is done.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Captain Ahab
I appreciate your recent comments a lot, Captain.
(Check him for pods.)
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Everybody reads ZH even if they claim they don’t.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
What was that story you referenced yesterday? The comment was taken down. I Iooked for the story last night, but I couldn’t find it. Was is Jack London? Youth? I couldn’t find it. Maybe I remembered wrong.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
The short story is “Youth” by Joseph Conrad who I consider as one of the greatest writers. It describes a young man who after hearing stories of the East gets hired on a old sailing ship as a seaman carrying coal to Calcutta. It is very humorous and things go crazy.  
You can read it here. It’s in the public domain.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
Oh, F**k. Joseph Conrad..I messed up. Thanks!
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
He was sailing for Bangkok and not Calcutta.
Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
I just read the articles
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
And Fisher gets it right!
“The Fed has created this dependency and there’s an entire generation of
money-managers who weren’t around in ’74, ’87, the end of the ’90s,
anbd even 2007-2009.. and have only seen a one-way street… of course
they’re nervous.”
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
The market is extremely overvalued. Or is it?
Thanks for listening.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Yes. Plenty of valuation methods in this article here.
1-shot
1-shot
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
Great info link. Thanks Scoot.
But at the end of the day, the market is under, over or fairly valued based on each person’s opinion and biases, and regardless of the facts. That’s what makes markets
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Without QE, markets can’t keep going up. Where will the money come from to pay higher and higher prices for everything? It’s like trying to further inflate a balloon without more air.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Sort of. It’s the low yields and rates as a result of QE that’s enabled the bubbles, not
QE itself, that’s been funded by commercial banks reserves. If yields don’t rise when QE stops, as Mish and others predict, the bubble fuel is still there. 
I agree with Mish, with this, “Maybe extreme valuations are finally catching up with reality.”  The recent news is just the catalyst that’s sparked a deterioration in confidence. 
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Scooot
The only way everything can be in a bubble is if the money supply keeps going up. Interest rates can’t explain it.
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
Yes debt adds to the Money Supply and its through the roof because of low rates and yields. All we keep hearing about is how much leverage exists.
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
You don’t need more money. The same money goes round and round and round.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
That would cause money to shift from one asset class to another. We have a bubble in everything.
Christoball
Christoball
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
I believe I have heard that velocity of money slows with increased system debt. The money is changing hands slower and slower.
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
When a market is fragile it finds a reason to go down. Doesn’t matter if the reason is a good one or not. 
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Reply to  Doug78
When a market gets volatile, it makes big swings. We have plenty of reasons for volatility. Get ready for an upside blow-out, Sentient is in the toilet, and Santa Claus is coming.    🙂
Scooot
Scooot
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Ha, ha, I was wondering if the year to date will still be up at at the end of the year. I’m probably completely wrong -:) 
Doug78
Doug78
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
My fear/greed ratio is still at more than one.
QTPie
QTPie
4 years ago
It’s about leverage… it gave birth to this craziness but it will also kill it. Feels great on the way up but also magnifies the down events.
Margin debt is extremely high now. Get ready for those calls.
“Dumb money”, i.e., individual investors, many investing in silly meme stocks, who’ve largely stayed out of the market prior to the pandemic have entered it big time since, while the “smart money” has been relatively restrained. Just look at what Microsoft’s CEO just did with his options.
The fact that interest rate on long term bonds is so low in light of the highest inflation in decades really tells you all you need to know.
This set up looks like the perfect storm. Will Fed tightening be the event which kicks it off? Maybe. It certainly has been a triggering event in the past.
anoop
anoop
4 years ago
given that yields are falling, i’d say this is a good entry point.
thimk
thimk
4 years ago
Let’s throw insider trading into the stock market mix . highest on record
JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
We are less than three years away from all sellers and no buyers in every market out there, with the possible exception of physical/commodity assets. In the case of banks, it is called a run.
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
Reply to  JeffD
If there was only sellers and no buyers, market prices would not drop at all because there would be no transactions.
TCW
TCW
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Sellers who can’t sell start dropping their asking price until buyers finally bite.   I’m already observing this in the guitar market where prices have gone crazy.   Nothing selling but prices are coming down.
JeffD
JeffD
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
Market makers have to ease things down. And they aren’t as prominent as they used to be.
Misc
Misc
4 years ago
Looks to me like a Macro Hedge fund blew up.
Eddie_T
Eddie_T
4 years ago
Oil and gas companies are anything but overvalued.The average P/E of my portfolio (miners aside) is something below 15.Many are below 10. Yet they swung hard both ways today, and ended up red again.
Today the markets decided to sell off on the announcement that there was a single case of Omicron reported in the entire country. Did anybody expect that NO Omicron cases would show up here? Really?
It’s just panic, and the panic is about lockdowns, which aren’t likely to happen here, and in those places that have them, almost certainly won’t last long.
Because it will make little sense to try to contain a variant that (a) can’t be contained….and (b) probably is going to kill almost nobody.. Especially after vaccines are approved for little kids.
I don’t think the economy is strengthening much, if at all. I do expect to see us slip into a recession, which I hope will be mild. It will be unless something worse than Omicron comes along. I don’t expect to see much growth. It’s hard to get growth in a ZIRP environment, and I expect stagflation to be a word that shows up more, going. forward,  in those word cloud thingies I see here and there.
Captain Ahab
Captain Ahab
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Some of the panic is Omicron. Not all. Deep down, rational people likely think they can get out in time, while realizing…
1. the cycle is near the peak and the only way is down,
2.  at low yields and high leverage, the bottom is a long way down, and the over-ride for  mean regression even lower
3. the Fed is stretched and won’t save us this time (this is the assumption that most investors are now praying for)–in fact, with enough of a drop, big banks will fail, and, dare I say,  the Fed is not far behind given its balance sheet
4. years of meddling by the Fed have switched the efficient market to the contrived market. Risk and return are no longer kissing cousins. Lots of really bad investment decisions have been made.
5. algo trading will make the drop precipitous, increasing panic
6. in the search for ‘real’ assets’, derivatives implode….  game over
In earlier missives, I wrote that the sudden increase in demand was a short term boost,  an adjustment to pent-up demand from Covid, funded by gov’t handouts, and savings from a year of hermit existence. I suspect that is nearly done. At which point, supply will exceed demand. We will see it in housing and autos shortly. With President Cluster Fudge at the helm, the ship goes down…
Re energy investments. Like food, there will still be demand, only less of it. I suspect energy prices will drop, but the safe-haven effect will benefit utilities and big oil.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  Eddie_T
Better hope those dividends pay for the share cost because oil has a limited life. Electric cars are the future. And the cost of extracting oil are going to go way up. The easy oil has been drilled. Oil will be worth far less in 10 years than it is now.
prumbly
prumbly
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
I wouldn’t worry. It takes a vast amount of oil to make an EV and all the super-expensive infrastructure for electricity generation and distribution. Demand for fossil fuels will continue to rise for the foreseeable future, and that’s a good thing as there’s still plenty out there. There are no alternative sources of energy.
KidHorn
KidHorn
4 years ago
Reply to  prumbly
I understand oil has other uses than making gasoline, but if the demand for gasoline dries up, the demand for oil will go way down.
davidyjack
davidyjack
4 years ago
Reply to  KidHorn
No.   Electricity grid is large parts of the developing world is unreliable.  People will choose gasoline car or hybrids.

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