Wuhan to San Francisco Today
Wuhan to San Francisco 00:00-06:00 – No Flights
Wuhan to San Francisco 06:00-12:00 – No Flights
Wuhan to San Francisco 12:00-18:00 – Three Flights to San Francisco (China South, American, Delta) are listed as “Scheduled“.
Wuhan to San Francisco 18:00-00:00 – No Flights
The huge problem with Flightstats is you have to click on every flight to see if it is scheduled, cancelled, unknown, landed, or in the air. There are thousands of flights per day from some Chinese cities.
I do not believe those SFO scheduled flights left or ever will. See Addendum.
All Departures from Wuhan Monday, January 27
I pieced that together from Wuhan Tianhe International Airport WUH Departures for 2020-01-27.
I only showed confirmed landings.
All Departures from Wuhan Tuesday, January 28
Escape From Wuhan
This post is an update to Hundreds of Virus Carrying Planes Headed for US, London, Paris, Vancouver
In that article I commented “Wuhan may be locked down. The rest of China isn’t yet.”
This update shows it is indeed still possible to escape Wuhan, then depart from some other city to the US, Japan, Europe, or elsewhere.
Please note that Scientists Estimate 44,000 Virus Cases, Doubling Every 6 Days
This is confirmation that the US should have halted all planes from China long ago.
Addendum
This Tweet From SFO Airport Official
The flight tracking app you are looking at has not updated with the correct origin city. That flight came from Guangzhou (CAN) and not Wuhan (WUH). Flights originally were from CAN-WUH and then WUH-SFO. However flights are not stopping in WUH and going direct from CAN-SFO.
— San Francisco International Airport (SFO) ✈️ (@flySFO) January 28, 2020
“The flight tracking app you are looking at has not updated with the correct origin city. That flight came from Guangzhou (CAN) and not Wuhan (WUH). Flights originally were from CAN-WUH and then WUH-SFO. However flights are not stopping in WUH and going direct from CAN-SFO.”
Thus, the SFO landing was really from CAN, Guangzhou. The rest of the departures do seem to be from WUH.
If so, I count 16 departures yesterday and another 18 today from Wuhan.
Mike “Mish” Shedlock
Flightradar24 will give you a very good live overview of airline traffic. The cancellations are being reported.
Looked there. Cancellations today at Wuhan – 20%. Some lockdown.
“This is confirmation that the US should have halted all planes from China long ago.”
People should have the right to move about freely in public places, especially public rights of way. Those who fear infection should avoid it in their own way without infringing on the rights of others.
Pathogens are everywhere but increase in areas with low moisture or high UV (like Phoenix). Outdoors, the concentration is lower than indoors due to the volume of air dilution. Getting infected (to the point of having symptoms) is a question of how much one is exposed to, how good their immune system is, and a roll of the dice. Permitting governments to decide who goes where means ‘pandemic’ can be used as another excuse to restrict freedom.
It’s about whether viruses have the right to move freely in public places, so restricting freedom of the public.
Therefore anyone carrying around a virus that poses a danger to public freedom should be asked not to bring it into public. Those who might be carrying a virus around should be asked to wait until it is known they aren’t.
Once the virus becomes endemic, you cannot seperate those who might and those who aren’t, because anyone might be. So they just quarantine everyone, but by then most people aren’t going to want to go out in public anyway.
“It’s about whether viruses have the right to move freely in public places”
Viruses don’t have rights.
What you are saying is trust government to only restrict flying in certain conditions that they determine.
The many variables involved here guarantee that it would be impossible to ascertain whether or not someone’s travel should be restricted or not.
Suppose you were perfectly fine, stepped out of your front door to go to the grocery store, and some dumb soldier guarding your house told you, you can’t go out because you might be carrying a pathogen? What would you do besides starve to death?
How would you prove him wrong? What proof can the government offer that it’s dangerous? Almost any contagious infection, including the common cold, could be used to restrict your travel. And people do die from the common cold, btw.
“Viruses don’t have rights”
They don’t know that though 😉
had a look at this. The question is where you draw the lines between society, institutions and government maybe.
“It’s a proper function of government to protect people from the actions of other people”
Someone walking around leaving a trail of deadly virus behind pretty much fits into that.
However the specific topic here was inbound passengers, and the basic reply would be “You must stay quarantined for two weeks on return”
as a precondition to accessing public space. This before a virus became endemic.
Once endemic, well that idea is finished, those with symptoms stay home or in care – if you read the link on Spanish flu provided above, that is what everyone who could did anyway, and towns were empty. So it really isn’t about this and I don’t think government would need to enact that. In China it is (was) about containing it to a city, in the US you might find the same approach, or in the above example just trying to keep it from entering the US. Down to the individual level though, well it is possible and I think there is case law and law on that. For example a person can be accused of purposefully infecting others.
In the link on Spanish flu, people starved also, because no one would visit them for fear of contagion.
It is a different paradigm, but I agree that in principle the idea of being forced to remain in place does not sit well, nor does the idea that government might empower itself using a pandemic as pretext bring cheer.
Personally I would (have) quarantine(d) entry, and if nescessary provide a positive route to self quarantine if suspect during endemic, while reminding of existing responsibilities in law.
If it is a large epidemic then government and institutions won’t be able to manage it much whatever way.
“Someone walking around leaving a trail of deadly virus behind pretty much fits into that.”
Any virus is a potential killer. You are probably carrying a few now, whether you’re aware of it or not.
The Spanish Flu was part of WWI – a horrible tragedy that neither Britain nor US should have been involved in.
Anyone “might” be carrying around a virus. It is never “known they aren’t.” Having to “prove” to Dear Leader and some committee of apparatchiks that you are virus free before being allowed to go outside, is just plain silly.
I am not suggesting that, the idea was not on access to outside of home, but international access into the country . Same goes if say states get quarantined in the US, it isn’t about letting someone out of a quarantined state, but about not letting them into a state which has no virus.
It’s a proper function of government, qua protector of citizens’ right to life, to take practical measures to keep contagious diseases from crossing the border. What is practical or not is up for debate.
It’s a proper function of government to protect people from the actions of other people; not from natural threats. A tornado cannot violate your rights.
Have you ever gone to work with a ‘cold’, as many people have? If so, how did you know it was just a cold?
Some people could have the coronavirus but think it’s just a cold. Or, the opposite.
Letting the government decide such things invites disaster.
“It’s a proper function of government, qua protector of citizens’ right to life…”
It’s a proper function of government to protect one’s rights from the actions of other people; not from natural hazards such as tornados or viruses.
Ever gone to work with a ‘cold’ as many others have? How do you know it was just a cold and not the flu? If you ‘gave’ it to a co-worker, his body might react differently. The same is likely true with the coronavirus – some made get a severe reaction or death while others do not even notice the symptoms.
The government has not yet decided whether to ban airline travel to China. Are we to believe they would never panic unnecessarily, or be foolishly complacent?
This is not so simple. In general, people do not have the right to infringe upon the rights of others. In other words, a sick person is not entitled to infect people who are not sick. I do not think Martial Law limiting local travel should be an option, but the US government and other national sovereigns absolutely have an obligation to limit the communicable diseases that come into the country. Until we have an alternative that is known to be effective, our only option is to cancel all incoming travel from China. I, personally, think the US should still allow people to travel to China from the US if they really want to, but those doing that have to acknowledge they have no guarantee when they will be able to return, and they might eventually be subjected to a quarantine.
The first human-to-human transmission of the Wuhan coronavirus in Europe has been reported in Germany, where a man was infected by a colleague who had been in China, fuelling anxieties about the potential ease of international spread.
Experts said it was of particular concern that the Chinese woman who originally had the virus apparently had no symptoms when she transmitted it to her colleague. There have been warnings from inside China that people may be infectious before they start to feel ill.
Thanks, Mish for this outstanding coverage, just like Brexit.
That is why, in my view, the most important lesson from 1918 is to tell the truth. Though that idea is incorporated into every preparedness plan I know of, its actual implementation will depend on the character and leadership of the people in charge when a crisis erupts.
I recall participating in a pandemic “war game” in Los Angeles involving area public health officials. Before the exercise began, I gave a talk about what happened in 1918, how society broke down, and emphasized that to retain the public’s trust, authorities had to be candid. “You don’t manage the truth,” I said. “You tell the truth.” Everyone shook their heads in agreement.
Next, the people running the game revealed the day’s challenge to the participants: A severe pandemic influenza virus was spreading around the world. It had not officially reached California, but a suspected case—the severity of the symptoms made it seem so—had just surfaced in Los Angeles. The news media had learned of it and were demanding a press conference.
The participant with the first move was a top-ranking public health official. What did he do? He declined to hold a press conference, and instead just released a statement: More tests are required. The patient might not have pandemic influenza. There is no reason for concern.
I was stunned. This official had not actually told a lie, but he had deliberately minimized the danger; whether or not this particular patient had the disease, a pandemic was coming. The official’s unwillingness to answer questions from the press or even acknowledge the pandemic’s inevitability meant that citizens would look elsewhere for answers, and probably find a lot of bad ones. Instead of taking the lead in providing credible information he instantly fell behind the pace of events. He would find it almost impossible to get ahead of them again. He had, in short, shirked his duty to the public, risking countless lives.
And that was only a game.
To summarize, China is managing the truth, WHO and CDC are watching the truth unfold, governments across the world are avoiding the truth, its all under control.
We truly do have the potential for a global pandemic of which the world has not seen in over a hundred years since the Spanish flu which became to be called the Spanish flu because Spain was the only country in the world that acknowledged the pandemic.
It is truly insane that all flights in and out of China have not stopped and I agree with you, they should have been halted a long time ago.
“That is why, in my view, the most important lesson from 1918 is to tell the truth.”
China is not the only country who manages the truth. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. – Justice Brandeis. Sunshine is also one of the least available disinfectants in the days of 2019-nCoV, impeachment, Brexit and modern monetary theory.