Peace efforts between Saudi Arabia and Israel may have just gone down the drain. If so, that appears to be the goal of Hamas.
Why Hamas Tried to Sabotage Arab-Israeli Peace Prospects
Time Magazine comments Why Hamas Tried to Sabotage Arab-Israeli Peace Prospects With a Massive Unprovoked Attack
Exactly 50 years ago, two authors of this commentary raced out of Yom Kippur prayer services to cover the last surprise attack on Israel for news radio. Now we see Israel taken by surprise once again. The radical Palestinians of Hamas, governing the Gaza Strip since Israel’s withdrawal in 2005, managed to carry out an unprecedented and unprovoked attack by land, sea, and air—and the results that prompted Israel to declare all-out war included massacres of hundreds of innocent civilians of all ages in their homes, at children’s parties, and at concerts. Scores more were taken hostage. President Biden and leading U.S. Republican voices alike are vowing to stand strongly behind Israel.
History again echoes, as the predicate for Hamas’ attack had less to do with anything that the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu may have done—now is not the moment to blame the victim. Rather, the trigger to the attack was likely that the prospect of a wider Mideast peace was almost at hand through an impending deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia. Hamas’ sabotage parallels the disruption of the prospective Israeli-Palestinian peace plan in 2000 on the heels of a Camp David Summit when the devastation of the Second Intifada ruined any dreams of normalization and resulted in the deaths of thousands of civilians.
This time, by all accounts, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the United States were inching closer towards a transformative three-way deal, which would have seen Israel and Saudi formally recognize each other within a security, defense, and economic partnership with the U.S. Just a week ago, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman said that “every day we get closer” to a deal, while Netanyahu similarly stated that he was confident of forging “a historic peace” between his country and Saudi Arabia, with Israeli cabinet ministers already landing in Riyadh to “nurture blossoming ties.”
President Biden and GOP leaders are expressing total, bipartisan support for Israel and endorsing Israel’s right to respond—what Israel calls “restoring deterrence,” which requires Israelis to prove they are much stronger than Hamas and any Palestinian factions. There will likely be domestic pressure from some Democratic Party progressives as well as possibly Republican isolationists to limit Israel’s response in the weeks ahead, with some already calling for de-escalation. It appears that for now, those voices are confined to the fringe. An immediate bipartisan consensus appeared, supporting Israel in whatever response it chooses, with some voices calling for the full-scale destruction of Hamas.
Hamas is not and has never been interested in compromise, unlike their rival, the Palestinian Authority run by Mahmound Abbas which governs much of the West Bank but not in Gaza. Many in the Palestinian Authority were said to welcome a Saudi peace plan as well the offer of financial assistance to improve the lives of Palestinians before Hamas sabotaged those plans Saturday.
The tough aura of Netanyahu’s leadership coalition is as the most right-wing ever in the history of Israel, with key ministers who want to keep the West Bank forever and want to block any hopes of an independent State of Palestine, yet their bravado did little to protect Israel with greater vigilance and preparation along the Gaza border. While those right-wing ministers may have aggravated peace-seeking parties among Israelis and Palestinians, Hamas is a group dedicated to wiping out the Jewish State of Israel and refuses to recognize Israel’s legitimacy. Blaming the victim does not work here since the predicate for Hamas’ attack had less to do with anything Netanyahu did or did not do, and everything to do with Hamas and Iran intending to sabotage the potential normalization of relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia. This is a bloody, murderous way of saying, “Don’t forget us, we are Hamas. We’re still here, and we’re still angry.”
Does Iran Have a Hand in This?
The Wall Street Journal comments Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks
Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.
Officers of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had worked with Hamas since August to devise the air, land and sea incursions—the most significant breach of Israel’s borders since the 1973 Yom Kippur War—those people said.
Details of the operation were refined during several meetings in Beirut attended by IRGC officers and representatives of four Iran-backed militant groups, including Hamas, which holds power in Gaza, and Hezbollah, a Shiite militant group and political faction in Lebanon, they said.
U.S. officials say they haven’t seen evidence of Tehran’s involvement. In an interview with CNN that aired Sunday, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said: “We have not yet seen evidence that Iran directed or was behind this particular attack, but there is certainly a long relationship.”
“We don’t have any information at this time to corroborate this account,” said a U.S. official of the meetings.
Asked about the meetings, Mahmoud Mirdawi, a senior Hamas official, said the group planned the attacks on its own. “This is a Palestinian and Hamas decision,” he said.
Dangerously Inflammatory Headline
The WSJ headline seems dangerously inflammatory given the body of the article says there is no evidence.
Also note the Hamas statement “This is a Palestinian and Hamas decision.”
Regardless, there are at least 1,100 confirmed dead. The attack also has Israelis wondering how their vaunted intelligence failed.
Statement from Benjamin Netanyahu
How the Attack Unfolded
The replies to the WSJ video are very favorable. Here is one comment “Now look at you WSJ! You still got it in you. This is the kind of news I want. Not opinion pages, just judgement free reporting of events. It will never be perfect, because it can’t be.”
Here is another “That’s some top notch reporting. Wow. No bias No drama. Just straight facts. Brief yet descriptive reporting of the unfolded events. Good job.”
A third comment echoes my feelings “My heartfelt concern lies with those who, regrettably, will become inadvertent casualties in this situation, lacking any influence in the decision-making process leading to war.“
Live Updates
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This is all so sad, that I do not know what else to say.
Hamas showed its hand following the ISIS textbook . Targeting civilians is a valid target. In fact a preferred one.
Hamas stance is captured in writing in its founding charter. Their goal is the destruction of Israel and killing Jews. Does this qualify as racism? More importantly, how would you negotiate this?
The Gaza population exploded nearly 20x folds in 73 years due to high birth rate. This has nothing to do with Israel. The economy of Gaza did not grow 20x in that many years. In the 1970-80s the Gaza economy benefited from working relations with Israel. The borders were open for people and goods!
Hamas became popular in the 1990s. It was elected by landslide popular vote. Gaza got its independence in 2005 on the premise it would showcase that Palestinian statehood side-by-side with Israel could work. It took less than a week for the first missiles to be fired from Gaza into Israel civilian population!
Last but not least, it is easy to make suggestion from far away. It is difficult to clean one’s own backyard. Consider the mess in US southern border, the decline of the major US cities, etc.
PS: History did not start 75 years ago. More importantly, it is of little relevance. The operative question is what is the path to coexistence. I’m afraid that one should not hold breath given the Middle East track record.
So many Americans sitting in their comfortable, centrally heated and air-conditioned mcmansions, with their vast understanding of history and geography, telling totally different cultures in far-away lands how to behave.
At least we haven’t decided it’s Putin or climate change behind this.
I love the trust people suddenly have in the accuracy of WSJ, out of nowhere, telling us of Iranian involvement. Sounds like another middle east military exercise coming up. Get out your wallets.
Unprovoked, if we ignore the Palestinians being held in a what is effectively a large concentration camp for 60 years
Iraq supports Hamas in this war. How many trillions did the US spend on regime change?
Odd that NEWSMAX ran a story about a week ago, that Israel was intercepting growing communications of a call for a new INTIFADA, larger than the previous ones..
I’m guessing HAMAS was using the word INTIFADA as cover for this operation,,
Israel should cut off all supplies to Gaza, open a corridor to the West Bank and force everyone in Gaza to migrate to the West Bank or elsewhere outside of Israel. Those who refuse to leave get carried out, alive or dead.
Then Israel should plow all of Gaza under, formally annex the territory into Israel and open it for settlement by its citizens.
If Russia can annex land, then why not Israel?
Can we have the Fed do some QE on Monday, that will fix this crisis.
I’m sure it is chance, but the only dead infants I have seen in the media coverage were 4 dead Gazan children, too young to know whether they were with Hamas or not when their building was demolished. I hear Netanyahu calling on everyone to get out of Gaza (‘What does that even mean?’) before they level it; the whole “rules based” world is telling us Israel has a right to defend itself.
I don’t know what will happen but I get the ominous feeling some more genocidal action is being justified & legitimated.
This was my worry when Netanyahu weaseled his way back to PM.
The US is going to use this as a oh-so-convenient excuse to abandon Ukraine and dump the whole mess on to the laps of both west and east Europe, and start pivoting towards Iran (and a year or two later, perhaps China as well). The entire Ukraine mess will become the responsibility of the grossly incompetent leadership of the UK, Germany, France etc.
You are being played if you think this ‘war’ is not being staged.
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looks like 9*11 all the way!!! yeah building #7 on steroids
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Building 7 had out of control fires on lower floors. Most of the weight of the building was above those floors. NYFD abandoned fighting the fires in WTC7 after losing 343 in the collapse of the twin towers, fearing 7 would also would collapse. It is a myth that fire could not have caused the collapse of all three buildings.
They brought it down with “CONTROLLED EXPLOSION”, even NBC covered this “STAGED DEMOLITION” of Building 7!!!
Even had a couple experts on during the day of 9-11, talking about why they had to do a controlled demolition of Building 7, when there was ZERO damage to the building!!!
Just love reading all the “REVISIONIST HISTORY” about 9-11!!!
We are told don’t believe your “EYES or HEARING” what you saw or heard on that day, only believe what the Gov’t and the “REVISIONIST HISTORIANS” say!!!
=Unprovoked
I feel sorry for simple people from israel and palestina. it has been a war for like forever !!
but please, Unprovoked ??
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YET TO BE KNOWN HOW MOSSAD MISSED one!
looks like 9*11 all the way!!! yeah building #7 on steroids
alx
Isnt it one of the oldest tricks in the book to start a war (or manufacture a war) to deflect attention from a government on the cusp of turning into a dictatorship, and to neutralize its population which has been protesting Israel’s slippery slide into dictatorship and instead turn them into warmongers, and to blunt the international uproar over Israel cutting its courts off at the knees to make itself into a theocratic dictatorship? Inquiring minds might just ask. How hard is it to dress people up as an invading army? How hard is it to turn off their “super-sophisticated surveillance state” for a day?
Does seem pretty convenient… will definitely be looking out for the rise of Israeli fascism in the coming months, as they inflict unimaginable violence on the inhabitants of Gaza. But lets not waft int to the realm of conspiracy just yet….
Yeah, this is likely Netanyahu’s Reichstag moment.
“…. to neutralize its population which has been protesting Israel’s slippery slide into dictatorship and instead turn them into warmongers….”
This occurred to me as well, not months after Netanyahu forces his way back to power, this happens.
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Something is off. Like the wrong scent when chowing down some prawns. A lot is left to the imagination. A rave in the middle of nowhere. Perfect for retakes.Attacks from the air mad max style. `A selfie from a raver hiding with perfect makeup. 5000 missiles , zero houses on fire but plenty of burnt out cars. And the stories of rape and torture are legion. And of course, suddenly 200 targets when prior to the “rave” there were none. I call BS – on what exactly, I’m not sure.
Some Arabs say that Israel was created by the Europeans as penance for Europeans (particularly Germany) pogroming Jews so long, particularly the WWII holocaust. The actual history is more indirect than that.
One Arab suggested that what Europe should have done was carve out a piece of Germany after WWII and give Jews that for their homeland. Again, uninformed about the historical situation that existed at that time.
I have no doubt there isn’t an extremist group convinced of this and actively planning an attack.
Not taking sides, it just seems like the middle-east solution to any problem is to kill civilians, every time one extremist group is beaten or fades, a new one with a new agenda replaces it.
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The Middle East is complicated. Here is a referral chart from 2014. Probably needs an update.
https://www.slate.com/features/2014/07/middle_east/graphics/graphical_version.png
After looking at middle east countries and their regional factions, I conclude the West redrew borders after WW1 such that no religious faction would have its own country and the power to invade its neighbors. The West relied on infighting on the national level to prevent war at the continental / regional level.
Why is oil up 6%? There’s no oil in Israel.
Rumors have it Iran oil production may have an accident soon.
Any conflict in the Middle East has the potential to involve major oil producers such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. Which could interrupt the flow of a significant amount of oil.
Any threat to these oil flows, can raise uncertainty of supply, and can push prices higher in the short term.
If this blows over quickly, which I doubt, then prices will quickly retreat. If the fighting expands, then prices can go much higher yet.
Another factor that raises volatility is the current low level of world oil inventories. With less oil in commercial storage, and in the SPR, any shocks to supply will have a bigger impact than if inventories were much higher.
Did someone remember that before a Roman Empire or the Ottomans or crusaders there was a Jewish State called Israel with a temple in Jerusalem? Ottomans built their mosque on top of its ruins like the Catholic Spaniards did to the Aztecs and Mayans and Incas. Difference being the Jews have survived all genocide attempts. Easy to forget that all the Moroccans, Tunisians, Algerians, Yemeni, Persians, Syrian, Turkish, Russian, Indian, Ethiopian jews there are not European whites.
Israel needs to accept two states solution.
I do remember that Moses was lost in the Sinai for 40 years before he stole that land from the Palestinians…those people were thieves even back then.
You have got to be kidding me, Israel has done nothing but provoke this attack. They have abused the Palestinians every chance they got while the press and Israeli owned politicians turned a blind eye to all this hatred…
Israel has been periodically bombing their neighbors for 50 years while being protected by the US. I would think something like this would be the natural result of years of aggression and countless deaths while operating under the US shield. The shocking part is that it does not occur more frequently.
Keep 2.5 million people in a 25 sq mi open air prison for 75 years and you’re bound to get occassional violent flareups. Amazing it took 50 years for something like this to happen.
IDF won’t want to go door to door rooting them out, the options are to obliterate the population with massive air strikes or send somebody else in to do the bloody door to door. Either option requires US doing the heavy lifting at the direction of IDF.
The bonus is if Israel can get the US to go toe to toe with Iran over this and this is ideal time for Israel to play that card with both US parties auditioning for “who’s tougher on terrorism” going into ’24 prez election.
How many billions will Congress give Israel? More inflation on the way.
Jesus won’t come back for less than 10 trillion.
the vatican needs to give the jews a multi level marketing seminar. the problem for the jews are numbers. their tens of milllions live in a sea of 3 billion christians and muslims in the world they inhabit. it’s always been a problem to be such a small minority in our very tribal world. this is anthropology 101.
As the demographics pallbearer, I will just leave this here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Middle_Eastern_countries_by_population
Now that’s a thing I never considered, they amount to 5% the globes population, 90% of it’s strife.
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Them semites are an ornery bunch.
“How many billions will Congress give Israel? More inflation on the way.”
I dunno, where the GOP just stuck it to Ukraine’s funding in the debt ceiling debate, that’ll be an interesting argument for them this week.
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another nothingburger in the grand scheme of things?
Is a recession still possible sometime before 2025 or 2030?
Does it count if it happens after the apocalypse?
Is Martin Sheen involved in this one?
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Yes it’s all about you and making a killing from trading.
I tend to shore up the short side on Fridays for this very reason, facts of life.
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Isn’t if funny how a few days after israel is completely blind sided by an attack by Hamas., the Wall Street Journal is able to connect Iran to the attack? One might think we are being played by jewish owned media companies.
It’s an editorial error, the WSJ isn’t yet aware Rupert’s gone and they can go back to being rational.
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Still in the Nile I see.
Here is the otherside of the story
“More than 800 Israeli settlers stormed the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound in occupied East Jerusalem on Thursday morning under the protection of Israeli forces.
Rabbis, heads of settlement associations, and far-right university lecturers were among 832 people who forced their way into the religious site compound, a source in the Islamic Endowments Department in Jerusalem told The New Arab’s Arabic sister site Al-Araby Al-Jadeed. . . .
It comes during the Jewish religious holiday of Sukkot, which started on 29 September and ends on Friday. The holiday has seen thousands of Israeli extremists storm the Al-Aqsa compound, with almost 1,500 entering the site on Monday.
Israeli extremists also continued on Thursday to hold provocative marches both inside Jerusalem’s Old City and outside its walls, attacking Palestinians and their property.
They also beat and spat at journalists in a market area near Al-Aqsa, where shops were forced to close for the sixth day in a row.”
So, this attack was planned after Sept 29?
Of course not. The attacked was planned and any reason for provocation would be enough, or one would be created.
Any reason? Israeli settlers are encroaching of Palestinian land and these people have been marginalized since 1949.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/26/why-israeli-raids-killed-many-palestinians-this-year-explainer
Are you sure those weren’t “Extreme MAGA ultra right wing extremists”? You know, the ones Biden and all Democrats are constantly pounding into your feeble brain.
Well done, on a topic about zealous nut-jobs, you’ve out-nutjobbed them!.
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Unprovoked? Israeli is a colonial, occupying entity composed of europeans who are trying to extinguish the native population. Sounds provoked to me.
Dang, you and your boy KGB definitely need history class.
A 21st Century South Africa apartheid. It appears the US is not on Mandela’s side this century.
Jews & Arabs lived peacefully in Palestine for a long, long time.
It wasn’t until Zionism became a thing in the late 1800’s when 35,000 Jews resettled back into pre-Israel (aka Palestine) that things got real.
Oh, and let’s not forget that the Balhour Declaration of 1917 was really what started the international move towards founding a Jewish homeland.
And in 1946 TransJordan was created out of 80% of what used to be Palestine, so really Jordan represents the MAJORITY of Palestine, but nobody ever talks about this.
Oh, and who can forget the Palestinians / Arab League rejecting the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine back in 1947. Honestly, I’m sure they had good reasons, but it hasn’t worked out too well for them since, has it?
These are the major events that led to Israel becoming a nation in 1948.
And Israel has been attacked by the Arabs many, many times with wars fought. Seems like it’s time for another war. The killing of 700 Israelis isn’t going to go unpunished.
I’m all in on Israel, and FJB for making his 3rd massive foreign policy blunder: Afghanistan withdrawal, letting Putin invade Ukraine & now giving Iran $6B to help fund this attack.
My goodness. Everything this guy touches goes to sh!t.
Who is FJB?
Unprovoked? I see you are chanting the MSM mantra. Turns out it was totally provoked. When will, you learn you are submerged in propaganda?
https://www.newarab.com/news/sukkot-about-1500-israeli-settlers-allowed-al-aqsa
Sure. Something that happened less than a week ago provoked a response whose scale is such that it had to take months of planning and just coincidentally happened on a 50-year anniversary.
I glanced at the article, I get that a religious site was infringed, so that justifies, murder and kidnapping of civilians.
That’s like saying a group of punks spray painted a church, so the police had the right to gun them down and rape their wives.
FYI, I don’t like Netanyahu and his warmongering, but this is not justification.
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The 1948 invasion of Palestine was the provocation. Israel has yet to compensate the native people for murder, rape, and theft of their land, property, and businesses.
You need a middle eastern history class bud.
When, if ever did a native born Palestinian govern the region you call Palestine prior to the creation of the Palestinian national identity post WW1 by ex-Ottomans who did not get a country of their own in the break up?
There was one, only one, do you know it? There is a recorded history about this one. Narratives won’t cut it.
“When, if ever did a native born Palestinian govern..”
Who cares about “governments.” Lots of Palestinians lived there. Who were then kicked out.
Receiving very little in the way of compensation. Which was likely the original “sin.” The area wasn’t all that densely populated. And hardly wealthy. They could very likely have been bought out at terms favourable to them, from the land comprising the original Israel (and if not, then oh-well….). Then they would have found somewhere else to live with their newfound real estate windfall. And there would be no original grievance to rally behind. Just a bunch of fatcat “Palestinians” who felt they just hit the jackpot.
But, Europeans (and Jews…duh!) were cheapskates. They wanted their revised version of the “final solution” to their/Europe’s “jewish problem” to be cheaper than the one Germany just failed at. And so: Deciding and deeming and finding and declaring, instead of time honoured voluntary buyouts, it was to be. Followed, as always, by militarisation in the name of peace, pogroms, and institutionalised industries living fat off it remaining that way.
But that’s just water under the bridge. As of today: The biggest issue isn’t so much original/48 Israel. But rather Israeli acts outside. Gazans literally live under a blockade. No different from ngas in Antebellum. Can’t travel freely, can’t trade freely, can’t anything freely. There is never, ever, any excuse for that. Not in any possible universe.
For any government to have any aspiration of legitimacy at all; it must, at a minimum, not infringe on anyone’s Bill of Rights, as per the US founders. I realise that in this age of fashionable totalitarianism, they all do (2nd amendment anyone…..). But, even today, very few do so as blatantly as Israel wrt residents of Gaza.
If some bunch of yahoos tell you you can’t travel freely, or even speak freely; you’re SUPPOSED to overthrow them (and even if they don’t, you’re arguably supposed to overthrow them once a generation, just as a precaution….). There is no exception to that. Blowing up slave masters, and anyone who supports them, is always something to cheer.
No excuse, ever, exists for denying anyone their God given rights. And that, inconveniently for some, even includes the 2nd. Which reads “shall not be infringed.” Period. Not “…unless ‘we’ find and deem and dimple chads’ and ‘feel safer’ and, like, uhh ‘they are mean’…” Just “shall not be infringed.” And that’s that. Legitimate government simply have to live within those constraints, inconvenient or not. Or no longer enjoy any trappings of legitimacy. If that means there is no viable space for a Jewish State in Palestine, then I suppose not.
Considering the sheer amount of billions to trillions which has been/is being dumped into turning the the whole “promised land” into an ever more ridiculously totalitarian hellhole, versus how poor most Gazans are, I still don’t believe it’s impossible for a deal to be made for the original Israel. I mean, how angry could young Gazans realistically be at Israel and America, if all those weapons billions instead were handed to them, to live it up as Emirati sheiks, along a nice strip of mediterranean beach….
When Moses spent 40 years wandering in the Sinai desert, the Palestinians ruled that land, in fact the Palestinians have always ruled that land…
Not familiar with little known Roman rule of Judea? Mentioned in a few references.
Rubbish!
they also blew up british citizens in the birth of israel. let’s face reality, the abrahamic religions are batshit crazy. the wars between christian, muslims and jews in mideast , north africa, and spain and central europe have been going on for over 2000 years. they are all batshit crazy especially when you realize they all believe in the same god. just different prophets. talk about dumbfuckery and idiocracy and douchebaggery. this stuff will be going on for another 1000 years. pontius pilate was in a pickle and the pickle hasn’t changed.
I couldn’t possibly agree more and I’m pretty damned sick of Theocracies and their melodramatic rationalizations for violence.
This is one of the reasons I became agnostic.
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Once you let a Sky Wizard into your life, any nonsense is plausible.
So many believed “safe and effective.”
“they also blew up british citizens in the birth of israel. ” I believe you mean the Stern gang who murdered those British nurses in the King Davis hotel. Please be quiet, we aren’t supposed to know about this.
It was British land and they gave it to them. Because of that holocaust thing.
It was no more British land than Northern Ireland or their colonies in Africa or Asia. Just because they stole it didn’t mean it was theirs to give away. Much like my tax dollars stolen from Americans and given to the ultimate welfare rats, the israelis…
A house divided against itself, cannot stand.
So Jared got the $2B and accomplished nothing? Typical.
He accoplished getting $2B. Everybody knew Israel vs Palestinians would eventually blow up, you can’t keep 2.5 million people caged in a refugee camp for 75 years without sowing dragons teeth. Not to mention stealing land from all neighboring countries.
I’m highly confident Washington DC won’t let this crisis go to waste. Lucrative arms sales on deck, another “just support the current thing” cause for an unpopular and degenerate regime that desperately needs distractions, and a great opportunity for another military draft trial balloon to try and patch up waning public support for a military ordered to go woke….
The occupant of the WH hardly matters when it comes to Israel. The current degenerate or the dozen preceding him – the finger pointing will commence for a few days, the far right talking heads will twist themselves into pretzels – but in the end there is always a blank check for Israel.
I think Israel’s got this… even if Jordan or Egypt jump in.
Egypt and Jordan won’t jump in. Both are in economic difficulties and going to war would destroy them economically and result in the overthrow of their governments even if somehow they won in the military sense (which is unlikely as Israel has the Samson option if conventional arms fail)
I get the impression that for the last couple of decades that nearly all the Arab world no longer cares about the Palestinians. Even though Jordan has a huge Palestinian problem I don’t see them getting involved. Last thing they want is alot of armed Palestinians who’d be more than OK with a revolution.
Still, this whole business could get out of hand. Wars are easy to start, hard to finish. Really tragic for the kids and regular Joes who are just trying to make a living.
NAILED IT. THIS IS ABOUT SPENDING AND LOBBYING AND LUBING UP THE SKIDS FOR MORE FUNNY MONEY CASH FLOWING INTO CONGRESS AND THE ADMIN.
no more and no less.
Unprovoked!!!
Now you are being silly
We cleared the decks in a prisoner exchange. Welcome to West’s new popular war.
And, the attack was no “intelligence failure” or surprise. 2014 and the cement tunnels anyone? Who was Israeli PM? Right. FDR had no clue about Pearl Harbor either….Don’t be fooled by politicians and media, they let it happen.
If you watch the combat footage, they seem to have it out for some pretty specific buildings that don’t exist any more. Seems like they knew a lot, but maybe not enough.
Doesn’t really matter what they knew though… Hamas carried out this hopeless, moronic attack. They’ll torture Israel with the hostages for as long as they can, then cry about the Palestinian casualties, and the only thing that will ultimately change is that thousands will die and the hatred between them will grow exponentially.
IMHO – Ukraine just lost war and now we need to support Israel with remaining weapons
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sure glad diaper joey funneled $6,000,000,000 cash into Iran 1st
Bingo, Bibi wanted an excuse for a massive retaliation