An ‘Extraordinarily Generous’ Israeli Cease-Fire Offer With No Details

Secretary of State Antony Blinken calls Israel’s latest offer to Hamas “extraordinarily generous on the part of Israel.” Firm details are nonexistent.

Bloomberg, the Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal provided no details of the allegedly generous offer.

Apparently the offer is so generous no one can say what’s in it.

Reuters reported Hamas says it received Israel’s response to its ceasefire proposal but Reuters provided no details either.

The Hill offers some details.

“Hamas has before it a proposal that is extraordinarily, extraordinarily generous on the part of Israel,” Blinken said during a panel discussion at the WEF.

“And in this moment, the only thing standing between the people of Gaza and a cease-fire is Hamas. They have to decide, and they have to decide quickly,” he continued. “I’m hopeful that they will make the right decision.”

The administration has not been public with the details of the latest proposal, although a senior administration official told reporters on a call Friday that baked into the proposal is to allow for the “structured” and “phased” return of Palestinians to the north of Gaza.

Other reported details of the possible deal include Hamas releasing 33 hostages, specifically those considered most vulnerable, women, the elderly, sick or injured; and that the length of a cease-fire would be contingent on the number of hostages released. Israel is also reportedly expected to release Palestinian prisoners from Israeli jails. Other reports indicate that Israel may withdraw forces from certain areas.

Last week, the U.S. led a joint statement with the leaders of 17 other countries calling on Hamas to accept the latest cease-fire and hostage release proposal. 

Hamas has told negotiators earlier this month it does not have 40 Israeli hostages that it can release as part of a temporary cease-fire deal, raising questions about how many hostages are alive and who is holding them.

“We’ve said clearly and for some time now, on Rafah, that in the absence of a plan to ensure that civilians will not be harmed, we can’t support a major military operation,” Blinken repeated Monday.

Those are the only details but they do not seem that certain or firm.

Blinken Begins High-Stakes Middle East Trip

The Wall Street Journal reports Blinken Begins High-Stakes Middle East Trip Aimed at Gaza Cease-Fire

The White House’s immediate goal is to secure a cease-fire that would delay an Israeli invasion of Rafah, the city in southern Gaza where more than a million displaced Palestinians are sheltering. The Israeli military says Rafah is the last bastion for Hamas battalions in the besieged territory.

But Blinken’s goals go far beyond a cease-fire. He also is seeking to advance talks with top Saudi officials over an ambitious postwar plan that would lead to the establishment of diplomatic relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel, lay the groundwork for an Arab force to stabilize Gaza and define a pathway leading to the creation of a Palestinian state.

The multifaceted deal under discussion would also include deeper security cooperation between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia, American support for Riyadh’s development of civilian nuclear power, and curbing Chinese influence in the Middle East.

In the latest proposal, Israel has lowered the number of hostages it would require to be released at first and showed a willingness to enter a period of calm, a nod to the key Hamas demand of a pathway to a permanent cease-fire. 

Hamas declined to comment. The group has blamed Israel for the lack of an agreement. Hamas representatives arrived in Cairo on Monday for talks with Egyptian and Qatari authorities, officials from those countries said.

Israeli officials have said the Rafah operation needs to go ahead to dismantle what they say are the four Hamas battalions operating there and the group’s leadership hiding there.

What does “willingness to enter a period of calm” mean other than “temporary truce”.

In return for Saudi Arabia and the US having closer cooperation (whatever that means), Saudi gets to develop nuclear power.

As for Saudi “curbing Chinese influence in the Middle East,” what a hoot. The US is energy independent. It’s China that is buying the Mideast and Russian oil.

As a result, don’t expect anything more than lip service by Saudi regarding curbing China’s influence.

Since details are sketchy on everything, it’s hard to say what to expect other than no real issues will be solved if there is a temporary truce now called a “willingness to enter a period of calm”

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realityczech
realityczech
15 days ago

No negotiation. That time is past. Complete Hamas surrender or this keeps going. There is no more 2 state end game. That time is also past. People seem to forget – as what is happening in Ukraine – wars end when there is an unconditional surrender and one side has won. Ukraine has lost their war. Hamas has lost theirs. That neither is surrendering shows the psychopathic nature of their leaders.

I have loads of sympathy and fear for the minority of Palestinians that just want to get on with their lives and want nothing to do with this.

But the rest of them? They can find another country with Sharia law that is more suited to their lack of values.

fast bear
fast bear
15 days ago
Reply to  realityczech

Whose Reality?
Both Psychopathic?
No Negotiations?
Loads of Sympathy?
Lack of Values?
Sharia Law?
Find Another Country?

*** JEWDAR ACTIVATED ***

realityczech
realityczech
15 days ago
Reply to  fast bear

I apologize…. too much truth digested at one time by people not accustomed to hearing it can cause IBS. Good luck!

gwp
gwp
15 days ago

Maybe Hamas has a negotiation issue. Israel may have already killed most of the hostages, so they have little left to offer.
Maybe the current Israeli government know that and that 40 are all that are left to trade

Don Jones
Don Jones
15 days ago

I would surmise that Israel said to Hamas: “We are not going to kill EVERY one of you, but MOST of you.” Generous!

Six000MileYear
Six000MileYear
15 days ago

One condition for a permanent cease-fire should be Palestine can have no military forces, and all remaining military equipment is to be destroyed. The basis for this condition is how the West dealt with Japan at the end of WW2.

Don Jones
Don Jones
15 days ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

Do you THINK that Japan caved due to Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Askin’ for a friend.

NO WISHES HERE as that scenario is too scary to consider.

Democritus
Democritus
15 days ago
Reply to  Six000MileYear

Yeah create another West Bank situation with disarmed Palestinians. How is that working out? Israelis just completely terrorize them, stealing land, isolating them in pockets, checkpoints stopping women about to deliver, destroying olive trees… What a success, Six!!! I mean Israelis are the most racist people on planet earth today, maybe they need their military equipment to be destroyed to wipe the smirk off their faces.

Jojo
Jojo
15 days ago
Reply to  Democritus

Sounds like everything is working perfectly from your description.

  • A Palestinian state that consists of two separate geographical territories cannot succeed.
  • A Palestinian state cannot exist INSIDE of Israelis territory boundaries. Palestinians are successful at only two things and that is making an excess of babies and living off the free welfare of the UNRWA for 75 years. Where will their population expand to, trapped inside the territorial boundaries of Gaza and the West bank? There is nowhere for them to grow into within a bounded territory.
  • Gaza has no real water or resources nor does the West Bank. A successful state cannot exist w/o water and natural resources.

The only viable option for a Palestinian state is to relocate all Palestinians to Jordan, which already has 3 million Palestinians and where the King is married to a Palestinian. Make Jordan the Palestinian state!

guest
guest
15 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

The Israeli’s are moving, plan for it. One state, Palestine, will work swell in the former Israel boundary. “Jews for Genocide” can move back to the swamp they came from.

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
15 days ago

There’s really very little doubt that Israel let the initial attack happen on their citizens in order to retaliate in the way they are retaliating. The longer this goes on, the more likely it is that Israel let the attack happen, so they could wipe Gaza, Palestine, Hamas and Hezbollah out completely. It is exactly the kind of thing that Netanyahu would do.

Last edited 15 days ago by Casual Observer
Jojo
Jojo
16 days ago

Those campus protests are working! Who knew?

Israel Withdraws From Gaza After Learning Of Protest By 19-Year-Old Fine Arts Major Roxy Barnett

Apr 27, 2024 

GAZA — Israel announced its complete withdrawal from the Gaza Strip after learning this morning of a protest from a 19-year-old Fine Arts major at Northwestern University named Roxy Barnett.

“Oh my goodness — we’ve upset Roxy,” said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as he was briefed on the protest. “I feel so foolish! The war is over, boys. Let Hamas stay in power, forget the hostages, everybody out of Gaza, immediately!!”

According to Israeli intel, Barnett had made a small sign out of cardboard and skipped class to walk around campus chanting. “When I learned of this 19-year-old in America skipping pottery class to chant how bad Israel is, I was shaken to the core,” said one Israeli military commander, hastily canceling an upcoming missile strike on a known terror cell. “We thought we needed to destroy terrorists hellbent on raping and murdering Jews. But one look at Roxy’s sign, and I knew it was time to pack up and rethink our entire foreign policy strategy.”

link to babylonbee.com

The Albatross
The Albatross
9 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

This didn’t age well. idf pounding rafah and the scared weak hamas begging for them to stop. Haha.

Alex
Alex
16 days ago

The Biden Administration has burnt any bridges to the Middle East. MBS openly makes fun of Biden. (As any sane person does) By seizing Russian assets Biden have given notice to all that the US can’t be trusted.

Israel is losing the war with Hamas, and they have lost the PR war. They have won the war against the unarmed civilians. Brave IDF soldiers go into hospitals, tie up the staff and executes them and bury them in mass graves. Meanwhile back in the US Neanderthal cops are strong arming women faculty at colleges because they come to ask a student if they are okay. All this so Israel can commit a genocide unopposed. What is happening to this once great country? FJB! FI!

fast bear
fast bear
15 days ago
Reply to  Alex

Gotta love watching Stasi thugs beating and arresting kids, who find Jews bombing, executing, torturing, starving, murdering 30,000+ children and women overseas, repulsive. Depraved behavior on full display in 4K.

The pigs messed up, uber, tech savy, Gen Z does not watch TV or Fox or CNN or TV or Movies – They don’t use Facebook, Instagram or Twitter.
They use Discord, KIK, TikTok, 4Chan, (now dead Omegle) Snap Chat that was organic and not created by InQTel and texting none of which are integrated into the mind control grid.

Did the government forgot to brainwash Gen Z, is that even possible?

It appears, the fascist, Stasi, psychopathic propagandists, messed up. A savy, non- compliant genie is out of the bottle and it’s not going back in. Gen Z understands there are no “chosen people” and they do not believe in the Holocaust nor the fairy tales in the jewish translated KJV bible. Sorry Boomers, Gen Z and Gen A will never like the Jews, it’s their generational zeitgeist.

Watching “establishment” Boomers go insane as this anti-establishment movement gains speed will be hilarious. It’s already happening in the comments on Mish’;s blog BTW.

Z were born and raised on the previously free’r Internet, (soon to be less free obviously) and influencers. They spent the last 15 years watching internet celebrities as a result, they’re all versed in influencing. Imagine a coterie of 70 million Gen Z’s and very similar, 40 million Gen A’s (influencers) who do not believe the lies. Short of killing them, there is nothing to be done about it.

The horse left the barn.

Boomer Kvetching in 3, 2 ,1….

realityczech
realityczech
15 days ago
Reply to  fast bear

You are free to leave anytime! There are many places like North Korea or Venezuela or rooming with the Mullahs you may find more to your lack of values. Enjoy!!

Casual Observer
Casual Observer
15 days ago
Reply to  Alex

Biden isn’t the Prime MInister of Israel. Have you ever thought that the reason the initial attack from Hamas happen is precisely because Israel let it in order to do what they are exactly doing now ?

Pray tell how the country that is supposed to be the most secure didn’t see Hamas training in the Gaza strip for an attack ? The answer is they did see and let it happen in order to retaliate in the way they are. This goes all the back to Netanyahu and no one else.

Last edited 15 days ago by Casual Observer
Alex
Alex
15 days ago

I agree that the Israeli response was planned before Oct. 7, but nearly the entire country believes Nutty-Yahoo is doing the right thing.

Don Jones
Don Jones
15 days ago

I am surprised that down-votes on your reasoned POINT. That “Crack team” of Israeli Security forces, at the ready, somehow did not NOTICE THE BUILD-UP.

That fact made this a FALSE FLAG OP and America was behind it. Israel and America had had ENOUGH of Hamas and the Gazans and they WANT THE OIL-RICH GASAN FIELDS and you all just wait and watch!

COME ON AMERICANS reading this, wake the Hell up. EVERYTHING is for MIC spending, oil, Minerals, Territories and this is how it has been SINCE ROME took the earth for itself. THEN SPAIN, and then the UK.

Gaza and Palestine will be SMASHED and GRABBED and this is ALL ABOUT THE SPOILS OF WAR.

Wake the hell up, Americans. It is NO different from ROME or SPAIN, or ???? IT IS WAR FOR THE TAKING.

realityczech
realityczech
15 days ago
Reply to  Don Jones

So it’s not possible that Israel got high on their own supply…. thinking that their reputation would protect them in the same way that the US ‘intelligence community’ thought we would be greeted as liberators in Iraq?

Look around. The arrogance of groups of people thinking they know best is astounding. Look at the morons running around campuses and what they’re chanting. You don’t think any group is capable of this stunning stupidity? And look at the ‘administrators’ at these schools. Smart people for sure, but apparently also high on their own supply and too cowardly to do the right thing.

Or look at a company like Boeing. Unwilling to admit it made mistakes and killed people.

Human nature my man.

Deterrence works if both sides believe it works. The Gazan government didn’t believe it worked and were so fearful of what the Abraham Accords would mean to their demise that they were willing to risk everything down to the last Gazan.

This isn’t hard to see.

RonJ
RonJ
15 days ago

It will take an honest investigation to determine the facts. The Israeli government did admit that they knew about the plot a year before, but claimed that they believed Hamas couldn’t pull it off. A woman who was an Israeli observer, said that months before Oct.7, she saw a weekly drill occur on the other side of the Gaza fence. Over time the pace of drills increased to more than weekly, eventually daily and intra day. She sent the information up to her superiors. There were also conflicting reports that Egypt did or didn’t warn Netanyahu just before Oct.7. Still don’t know which is true.

Peace
Peace
15 days ago
Reply to  Alex

Hamas, accept the Israeli’s generous offer quickly or ICC will label “War Criminals” to Netanyahu and his Generals.

Last edited 15 days ago by Peace
realityczech
realityczech
15 days ago
Reply to  Peace

Your name…. lol!

Don Jones
Don Jones
15 days ago
Reply to  Alex

Allow me to correct one misconception, and it is a nuance:
“By seizing Russian assets Biden have given notice to all that the US can’t be trusted….this time FOR SURE.”

America no longer JUSTIFIES what we do. WE DO IT BY FORCE. Thus, TRUST is no longer a consideration. So, to correct this:

“By seizing Russian assets, and invading ANY AND ALL COUNTRIES THAT CAN BE EXPLOITED, AMERICA haS given notice to all that the US can’t be trusted….NEVER COULD BE AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE DISTRUSTED.”

LM2020
LM2020
16 days ago

Netanyahu and his gang of war criminals are about to get issued arrest warrants by the International Criminal Court. Blinken wants a deal done before that happens since the indictments would be a black eye for Biden’s unrelenting support for Israel turning Gaza into a parking lot. Regardless, few people under 50 support Israel or approve of Biden’s handling of this situation – he will be the last pro-Israel democratic president.

Alex
Alex
16 days ago
Reply to  LM2020

Great points! I’d only add that few people over 50 support Israel or approve of Biden.

Jojo
Jojo
16 days ago
Reply to  LM2020

Who are they going to vote for then? Trump? Kennedy? Nadar? [lol]

guest
guest
15 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Likely the best vote would be for Cornel West, who has displayed integrity by refusing to condemn Hamas. Jill Stein a close second. Stein may be on the ballot in all 50 states and emerged unscathed from unlawful arrest while innocently observing peaceful campus demonstrations last weekend.

Both good choices for genuine Libertarians!

realityczech
realityczech
15 days ago
Reply to  LM2020

Welcome to Fantasy Island!

vboring
vboring
16 days ago

Any offer is generous compared to certain death.

guest
guest
15 days ago
Reply to  vboring

It is funny that Israel still has not recognized this.

Avery2
Avery2
16 days ago

Blinken and Sullivan should walk the streets of Chicago on the weekends

Alex
Alex
16 days ago
Reply to  Avery2

Preferably at night and in a bad neighborhood!

Dr Funkenstein
Dr Funkenstein
16 days ago

Blinken is starting the Biden’s campaign that Red China is interfering in American elections. He should to Gaza and tell them to fly more rainbow flags

Willie Nelson II
Willie Nelson II
16 days ago

Less than a week after Biden appointed Blinken to go around the world saying stupid things, Blinken met with delegates from China on “a range of issues”.

The normally diplomatically polite Chinese told Blinken right to his face that he is an idiot, and they don’t trust him. Not on “a range of issues”, not on what to have for lunch.

Some of us may not like Chinese trade policies, but at least the Chinese are honest. We can’t say that about our own government

Hounddog Vigilante
Hounddog Vigilante
16 days ago

Blinken is a child… a perfect reflection of our RomperRoom State Dept.

there are very, very few neoCons among GenX.
there are zero neoCons among Millennials & GenZ.

Israel’s days are numbered. Their delusional bodyguard is retiring.

Yooj
Yooj
16 days ago

90 nukes are Israel’s bodyguards. The U.S. is part of Israel’s first line of defense, not its last. 90 nukes say Israel’s days are no fewer than its enemies.

Last edited 16 days ago by Yooj
eighthman
eighthman
16 days ago
Reply to  Yooj

Not that simple. what about their economy? What about Israelis emigrating? How do they deal with Haredi birthrates – who reject employment and military service as fanatics? It’s more than Iran and Hamas.

Alex
Alex
16 days ago
Reply to  Yooj

That’s right the insane Israelis have the Sampson option n including targets in Europe. I guess the message is, ” If we can’t genocide the Palestinians and steal their land then we’ll blow up the world.” Nice people there.

Patrick
Patrick
15 days ago
Reply to  Yooj

No one likes to say it, but those nukes are part of the US first line of defense. And they are not only targeting in the middle east.

Hounddog Vigilante
Hounddog Vigilante
15 days ago
Reply to  Yooj

nukes are not “bodyguards”.

by your own admission, nukes are suicidal.

your enemy is vaporized, and so are you & your children. Congrats… the nuclear bodyguard works like a charm, eh?

Jojo
Jojo
16 days ago

It’s an election year. Biden/Blinken are desperate to get Israel out of the news and are leaning heavily on Netanyahu to comply. Netanyahu has his own problems and clearly wants to avoid more fighting in Rafah, even though the right wing side of his war cabinet has been pushing heavily to go in and get the job done for some time now.

Someone on FOX news this morning suggested that Biden tell Netanyahu to go clean up Rafah and finish the job. Then all the pro-Hamas college kiddies would have nothing to protest over.

Last edited 16 days ago by Jojo
Willie Nelson II
Willie Nelson II
16 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

There is zero love lost between Netanyahu and the Obama foreign policy team. Netanyahu would be better off with Trump than Obama’s team, plus Israel needs the support of the Saudis more than Biden — and MBS remembers how Biden promised to remove MBS from power and hold him accountable for that Saudi WaPo reporters death in Turkey.

As for these so called college kiddies…

According to police at Univ of Texas, almost half the alleged “student protesters” had absolutely zero affiliation with UT, or any other college. Not students (full or part time), not grad students, not faculty, not alumni, not employees… not affiliated with the school at all.

In NYC, the supposed “grass roots”, spur of emotion “student protesters” around NYU have matching tents, matching T-shirts with matching slogans… and no college degree. Few if any have any NYU affiliation. They are almost all paid protesters.

When interviewed by media, several paid protestors at NYU confessed to not knowing much about Israel or Palestine. One with a rainbow LGTBQ getup was unable to say whether gays and lesbians are accepted under Sharia law or in predominantly Muslim countries.

Columbia reports many of the “student protesters” on its campus are also not affiliated – but they did not give an estimate how many, if any, are actually students.

Paid protesters. Paid political agitators. Total bullsh!t

Avery2
Avery2
16 days ago

Maybe another layer of bulshit. Chicago Aldermen would pay someone to throw a brick through their own office window.

Last edited 16 days ago by Avery2
Jojo
Jojo
16 days ago

As a commentator on FOX said this morning, ‘they will get arrested, be immediately released by DA Alan Bragg, contend they are abused by the arresting police and then sue NYC for millions$$. Protesting is a lifestyle”
—–
Nearly Half of Those Arrested at UT-Austin Pro-Palestinian Protest Had No Links to School
The university suspended a pro-Palestinian student group.
27 Apr 2024

Nearly half of the pro-Palestinian protesters arrested earlier this week at The University of Texas at Austin were not affiliated with the university.

Law enforcement officials arrested 57 protesters during Wednesday’s event organized by the Palestine Solidarity Committee after participants refused to disperse despite demands from authorities and the university. Of those arrested, 26 were neither students nor faculty of the university, according to officials at UT-Austin.

link to theepochtimes.com

Rando Comment Guy
Rando Comment Guy
16 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Grifters gonna grift….

fast bear
fast bear
15 days ago

You’re fake, immoral, an idiot or a boomer.
Or all 4.
Professional agitators are what the worthless US government does, like the asshat FBI instigators on 1/6.

The best descriptor of total “”bullshit”” are the fake posters paid by the Israelis and domestic jews to troll comment section and deflect from their (((Genocide)))
Oh wait? That would be you.

Moral people with a conscience find you repulsive.

Peace
Peace
15 days ago

Where did you read that propaganda?

Alex
Alex
16 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Only Hamas isn’t in Rafah. That’s just a stupid story told to convince the rubes that Israel is actually winning this war. Hamas is in the tunnels and attacking the IDF where ever they show up.

Jojo
Jojo
16 days ago
Reply to  Alex

The tunnels where Hamas is still hiding are UNDER Rafah. D’oh.

Israel should flood the tunnels and flush them out like rats.

Last edited 16 days ago by Jojo
Alex
Alex
15 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

The tried that and the rats bite them. Thus the orc Israeli army must attack the women and children instead.

Ron
Ron
16 days ago

I’ve read Robert Bryce and he says to look at the world oil supply as all going into a single bathtub. If Middle East oil is reduced, the bathtub isn’t as full and prices will rise. Gotta keep the overally supply up to maintain prices.

PapaDave
PapaDave
16 days ago
Reply to  Ron

Yep.

Rando Comment Guy
Rando Comment Guy
16 days ago

It’s an election year here in the US; and our opponents, adversaries, and competitors know it. The humiliating battlefield defeat in Afghanistan has emboldened bad actors. Western budgets and fiscal health are in shambles and deteriorating fast. US military recruitment has been in decline for years. The rainbow flag flies proudly at our embassies, deeply offending conservative allies and telling everyone our priorities are agitating and simply not aligned with realism or being a hegemonic power. It’s probably a safe assumption that significant Biden regime foreign policy “successes” and “breakthroughs” aren’t likely in the 2024 cards for this administration with the way it has behaved, ongoing trends, and how thin US military power is spread.

PapaDave
PapaDave
16 days ago

I’m not worried. The US and the world are always in crisis. That’s just the way the world works. And I’m sure that Trump will f*ck it up even worse. It’s fun to watch it all unfold from the sidelines.

FromBrussels
FromBrussels
16 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

NEVER before, in more than half a century have we been on the verge of WW3 ! ….head in the sand fools however are not worried, the price of oil and the stock market in general being the only thing that matters….

This guy
This guy
16 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Your “I can’t do anything about it so I might as well profit from the misery” schtick is getting old.

PapaDave
PapaDave
16 days ago
Reply to  This guy

Lol! And what are YOU going to do? Stomp your little feet and complain on a blog! Yep, that will fix everything!

Priceless.

Dr Funkenstein
Dr Funkenstein
16 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

There was peace with Trump. Bidet gave us Russia invading Ukraine and 10 million illegal alien criminals invading America

Roto1711
Roto1711
16 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Won’t be so fun when you see that bright flash in your window.

Bill
Bill
16 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

You’re not a dumb man however, your comment about Trump effing it up even worse ignores 4 years of evidence you have to the contrary vis a vis Middle East policy and peace. Seriously, stick to your “I’m getting rich AF off oil and other ideas from other investment-idea blogs” routine. Frankly it is where you excel, to discuss profitable ideas. But to simply toss out the Trump comment when you have his previous presidency as a guide is mind blowing ill-founded hyperbole!

PapaDave
PapaDave
16 days ago
Reply to  Bill

Sorry. Trump DID f*ck up his presidency. Just like ALL presidents do. Probably the dumbest President we ever had.

But he will probably get re-elected again. And then f*ck everything up again.

I accept that. Because I can’t change it.

And I am always shocked that people here think he did a good job. Of course some people think here think Putin is doing a good job.

People are too political. And it f*cks with their brain. I’m just pointing that out.

Probably time for me to be on my way. Too much politics and not enough economics in this comments section. Let alone good investment ideas.

Good luck with your Trump worship.

fast bear
fast bear
15 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Trump sucks
Putin is doing a stellar job of retaining Russias resources.
If Putin wasn’t Putin you would not have made nearly as much as you purport in oil.
You should be thanking Putin.
And sorry Russia resources being to Russia.

Bill
Bill
15 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

I’m not worshipping him as I think he failed to drain the swamp and build the wall, 2 promises. However, that swamp is vast and deep and persists in their #resist movement started on Day 0, the day after he was elected. However, Mish’s post was re: the Middle East and cease fires and peace and, unlike the Peace Prize President before him or the continuation of the Obama Doctrine in the last 4 years, DJT’s presidency did excel at that one thing. The first President in my lifetime that did not expand war and knows the value of peace.

I simply don’t care for the claim that someone will make it worse without context or support. It’s inflammatory and, in this case, we have 2017-2021 to review in the context of Arab/Israeli/Middle East relations. You cannot be serious if you say that his handling of that aspect both after Obama and now in comparison to Biden is worse and would be worse again 2025-2029.

I also want to point out that the comments section that does not offer investment ideas does actually give you a picture of social sentiment, things that in a macro sense DO provide you with investment ideas. Mish’s original blog that I started following 20 years ago was macroeconomicanalsysis–the wide variety of topics and commenters paint a picture of society. I would argue that we are seeing commenters and conversations we last saw in 2007/8 for what that’s worth–but in a political and financial backdrop of an uncapped federal debt level until mid 2025.

I sense a very adversarial and anxious time ahead and your comments on energy are quite useful.

PapaDave
PapaDave
15 days ago
Reply to  Bill

Everything’s interconnected.

Since you have followed Mish for 20 years, you are familiar with Realist and Eddie; two very bright investors who contributed a lot on energy and energy stocks. They were responsible for my switch from tech investments to energy investments when I first discovered this blog around 4-5 years ago. I made a lot of money from their ideas.

As I recall they often argued with the cult morons here who claimed that global warming was a hoax. Their investment thesis was that the world’s reaction to global warming would reduce investment in oil and gas, yet demand for oil and gas would keep increasing. Which would lead to higher prices. And oil and gas firms would profit handsomely.

They were very astute.

Some of those cult morons are still here. They love to get sucked in by every cult out there: Global warming is a hoax. Vaccines are a hoax. The election was a hoax. Etc. It’s hard to imagine that people can be that stupid. It’s like they want to be duped.

I think I know why Realist and Eddie eventually left. They got tired of all the cult morons here. They waste too much of our valuable time.

I’m not sure if it’s worth my time to continue here as well. I was trying to help others the way Realist and Eddie helped me. But there seems to be very few folks who are worth helping now.

guest
guest
15 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

I hope you will keep at it. I couldn’t understand all the hits you took in this particular thread, and have always appreciated your reasoned rationality. Not everyone recognizes that investing in energy is not the same as promoting fossil fuels – but I think you have consistently maintained the separation.

Believe it or not, I visit the site for investment purposes also, though I am now old and tend to stick with long-term possibilities in funds of various composition. So I don’t have much to offer ‘active traders.’

I also like to promote entrepreneurialism. Work, save, invest, participate in business building . . . these constructive pastimes bring the kind of security that protect from ‘crisis du jour.’

PapaDave
PapaDave
15 days ago
Reply to  guest

It’s people like you that I appreciate here. I wouldn’t care about the cult morons if there was an IGNORE button. Then I could simply block out their useless cult garbage. It would make things so much more efficient.

guest
guest
16 days ago

U.S. Representative Elise Stefanik offered to exchange herself for the remaining hostages?

That’s not very ‘generous.’

dtj
dtj
16 days ago

The case fatality for COVID was something like 0.2 percent. The case fatality rate for “being Gazan” is currently 1.5% and rising. (34,000 deaths divided by 2.2 million)

PapaDave
PapaDave
16 days ago
Reply to  dtj

In one study of over 21 million Americans who contracted Covid, mortality was 1.7% for vaccinated vs 3.5% for unvaccinated. Higher than the 1.5% for Gazans. I personally knew 3 anti-vaxxers who died.

Fortunately, people had a choice on vaccination. Sadly, most Gazans don’t have a choice. No one wants them.

Also: I’m still laughing over the Tesla “experts” here who saw the stock drop from $190 to $140 and were calling for it to go to zero shortly. Now it’s back up over $190. Kind of reminds me of the “experts” here who called for $40 oil over and over again.

Too many cult morons here.

Another good day in markets today.

Dr Funkenstein
Dr Funkenstein
16 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Stupid enough to believe Big Pharma and the CDC (which thinks men can get pregnant) lies on the experimental gene therapy. Keep in mind “unvaccinated means 30 days after getting your second shot” So if the Pfizer-Moderna shot kills you, as it has hundreds of thousands, you are considered unvaccinated when in reality you are

Tell Us more government fairy tales you believe like Gulf of Tonkin, AIDS doesn’t discriminate, defund the police, Hunter Biden’s briefcase is Russian disinformation, etc

PapaDave
PapaDave
16 days ago
Reply to  Dr Funkenstein

Hey Mish, is the Hide button similar to an IGNORE button? It does not seem to do anything. I have a list of cult morons that I want to completely block.

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Alex
Alex
16 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

PapaDave learned a new term, “cult moron”. Let give it up for Dave!

fast bear
fast bear
15 days ago
Reply to  Alex

peak clown world
a climate Vax Cultist calling those other people (((Cultist’s)))

Dave is very fragile – his shields are at 100%. He’s asking Mish to block the reality torpedos – he can’t take much more.

Alex
Alex
15 days ago
Reply to  fast bear

Good points!

RonJ
RonJ
15 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Actual factual: 6 sigma jump in excess mortality. The only logical explanation is the Covid shot. The CDC isn’t even interested in investigating, along with the NIH. It is rather obvious why they don’t want to know the cause. People weren’t counted as vaxxed for up to 6 weeks after the first shot, in order to manipulate the data. Pfizer even ignored thousands of suspected but unconfirmed Covid cases in their trial, in order to gin up the claimed efficacy. The Absolute Risk Reduction number of only about 1% was even hidden from the public. Dr. Birx said she knew the shots didn’t work. Moderna even admitted they didn’t even test to see if the shot prevented transmission.

There is nothing cultish about the truth.

FromBrussels
FromBrussels
16 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Some scientists will argue that your, probably Pfizer/CNN sponsered study, is at least biased and questionable…..and will say that loads of vaccinated people are dying too young and suffering turbo cancers these days ! In recent weeks about 7 people I know , all of them 60 something and at least triple vaxxed , died ! …50 years old friend of mine is in very bad shape with myocarditis (official pfizer side efffect) ….but then they all had a choice a odd two years ago, had they not ?

dtj
dtj
16 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

I’m proud to say I did not get vaccinated for COVID. Based on big Pharma showing it’s evil true colors, I will never get another vaccination of any kind, ever again. I also got off all my prescriptions save for one. My personal fatality rate (so far) is 0%.

PapaDave
PapaDave
16 days ago
Reply to  dtj

Good for you. You are proud to be a dumb f*ck. Congrats.

fast bear
fast bear
15 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

Moron

Alex
Alex
16 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

“Too many cult morons here.” Dave, didn’t your mother ever tell you, People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones?

fast bear
fast bear
15 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

hey boomer ya got a link for that?
what? not even a source or citation?
yeah didn’t think so..
trust me, the internet said “blah blah blah”

PapaDave
PapaDave
15 days ago
Reply to  fast bear

Sure:

link to cureus.com

Lots of others available as well. Not that cult morons would believe any of them.

Do you also need links to prove that the earth isn’t flat?

Woodsie Guy
Woodsie Guy
15 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

This comment isn’t directed at anyone in particular, but I find these arguments both fascinating and perplexing. One person jumps in and makes a comment that isn’t on the 3×5 index card of allowable thoughts and chaos ensues. I could see one counter point, but it turns into a pissing match. What do any of you gain by arguing with each other? You don’t know each other (at least I presume you don’t), so why bother? How does arguing with strangers move you closer to your life goals or add joy to your life?

Just seems like a big waste of time, and an unnecessary rise in blood pressure for zero gain.

Just my 2 cents.

Alex
Alex
15 days ago
Reply to  Woodsie Guy

Ah you must be a Tom Woods acolyte. I like Tom. He’s a good egg.

But, to your point. It’s fun to poke at Dave. But I suppose it is a bit unkind making fun of someone who’s a bit slow.

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Alex
Alex
15 days ago
Reply to  fast bear

Mr Fast Bear, I’m a boomer and I don’t believe the crap Dave does. Let’s not generalize. But I do agree that many in the boomer generation are self serving, greedy SOBs and they have screwed the younger generations. One can only hope, Dave’s kids have disowned him. 😉

RonJ
RonJ
15 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

“In one study of over 21 million Americans who contracted Covid, mortality was 1.7% for vaccinated vs 3.5% for unvaccinated.”

Dr.s Fareed and Tyson treated over 15,000 Covid patients with Ivermectin and other therapies without a single death. Those who received early treatment tended not to die. Covid shots were never needed. Early treatment was. Wall Street analyst Ed Dowd also estimated that the Covid shots killed some 300,000 Americans. Other estimates run as high as 600,000.
Whistle blowing nurse Gail Macrae estimated that 90% or more of the Covid deaths were caused by hospital protocols, not the virus. She also stated that the EPIC system at her hospital, only allowed registering patients as unvaxxed or unknown and nurses were not informed on how to correct the information for vaxxed patients. Data has been manipulated to support the narrative, starting with calling false positive Covid tests, Covid cases.

Doug78
Doug78
15 days ago
Reply to  PapaDave

I agree about the morons.

Jojo
Jojo
16 days ago
Reply to  dtj

Sucks to be Gazan then. Oh well..

They should have moved out when they could. Oops sorry. Hamas generally didn’t allow their people to leave Gaza.

Alex
Alex
15 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Jojo,
I love it when you expose your true colors. May Israel get all that is has coming to it. Just one more in the endless cycle of Jews behaving badly. And then when others react, they claim to be innocent victims. Happened in Germany, happend in Russia, Poland, Spain, … and Rome. Now it’s happening in historic Palestine. Why can you just play nice with others. I guess it’s the curse (or more appropriately caused) by thinking you’re special.

Jojo
Jojo
16 days ago
Reply to  dtj

Israel Has Created a New Standard for Urban Warfare. Why Will No One Admit It? 
Updated Mar 26, 2024 at 9:39 AM EDT
By John Spencer – chair of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute (MWI) at West Point; served for 25 years as an infantry soldier and two tours in Iraq

The Israel Defense Forces conducted an operation at al-Shifa hospital in the Gaza Strip to root out Hamas terrorists recently, once again taking unique precautions as it entered the facility to protect the innocent; Israeli media reported that doctors accompanied the forces to help Palestinian patients if needed. They were also reported to be carrying food, water and medical supplies for the civilians inside.

None of this meant anything to Israel’s critics, of course, who immediately pounced. The critics, as usual, didn’t call out Hamas for using protected facilities like hospitals for its military activity. Nor did they mention the efforts of the IDF to minimize civilian casualties.

In their criticism, Israel’s opponents are erasing a remarkable, historic new standard Israel has set. In my long career studying and advising on urban warfare for the U.S. military, I’ve never known an army to take such measures to attend to the enemy’s civilian population, especially while simultaneously combating the enemy in the very same buildings. In fact, by my analysis, Israel has implemented more precautions to prevent civilian harm than any military in history—above and beyond what international law requires and more than the U.S. did in its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

link to newsweek.com

guest
guest
16 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Plainly John Spencer, if he really authored this imbecilic nonsense, is among the most ignorant and cowardly buffoons ever to pretend themselves into a military uniform.

While U.S. news audiences clutch pearls over campus protests, mass graves have been uncovered at al-Shifa hospital containing nearly 500 bodies of patients and medical personnel from the hospital. Scores of those bodies show evidence of torture, dismemberment, and worse, atrocities perpetrated by IDF infantry.

Further, none of the declared Israeli military objectives have been achieved in Gaza. Buildings have been bombed and destroyed, as any children with grenades and an Air Force could accomplish, yet, after six months, Hamas fighters engage IDF forces every day. Israeli forces have killed far more hostages than they have rescued, and Israel is less secure than it has ever been in its brief history.

We pray that weekend news reports from Israel’s channel 12, indicating imminent International Criminal Court issuance of arrest warrants for Prime Minister Netanyahu, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi for Crimes against Humanity materialize soon, so that planning for the “day after” Israel existence can proceed.

Thank you for posting this article.

Jojo
Jojo
16 days ago
Reply to  guest

You’re welcome!

Alex
Alex
16 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Jojo’s post is too ridiculous. I guess he didn’t hear about the mass graves or pay attention to the total destruction of Gaza, or the starvation campaign. Real humanitarians those Israelis.

Last edited 16 days ago by Alex
Steve in TN
Steve in TN
16 days ago
Reply to  Alex

The above post is pure Hamas terrorist propaganda. You’re just regurgitating the Hamas PR machine.

Jojo
Jojo
16 days ago
Reply to  Alex

Who said that Israel was supposed to hold humanitarian concerns when chasing the Hamas terrorists?

Those graves were dug by Hamas, which had to get the dead bodies off the ground to avoid disease. While Hamas was putting the bodies into the graves, they made sure to tie the hands of some of the dead behind them, so they could later contend that Israel soldiers did it.

Go back and read the post I linked to. The USA or Russia would have had a lot less concern for Gazans if either country was chasing terrorist Hamas.

Webej
Webej
14 days ago
Reply to  Jojo

Civilian:Military casualty ratio is through the roof in IDF genocide.
If you want an example, Russia’s special military operation is orders of magnitude lower than US/NATO operations.

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